Clinton Snubs Netroots

[Cheese Sandwich]

Clinton skipping progressive Netroots Nation gathering

Hillary Rodham Clinton is skipping a gathering of politically active progressives next month that would have put her on the same stage with her Democratic challengers -- and likely set up unwelcome comparisons with liberal heroine Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.)

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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), whose strongly progressive campaign platform and straight-ahead style is drawing large crowds, will attend the conference in Phoenix. So will former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, who has tried to capitalize on any far-left disaffection by campaigning as a progressive champion and calling Clinton late to the cause.

Sanders and O’Malley will participate in a candidate forum that Clinton was also invited to attend, Netroots spokeswoman Mary Rickles said. Sanders captured 15 percent support in the same WSJ/NBC poll, and O'Malley 2 percent. That suggests Sanders is heir to much of the progressive fervor for Warren, who disappointed some on the left by declining to challenge Clinton for the 2016 nomination.

Warren will also attend the conference. Her fire-breathing attacks on Wall Street made her one of the stars of last year’s Netroot Nations, and she draws large and enthusiastic crowds wherever she speaks. Although she has made no move to reconsider her decision to stay out of the race, Warren still poses a hazard for Clinton. The zeal of Warren's supporters points up the perception, still prevalent on the left, that Clinton is a privileged intimate of the very wealthy.
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link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/06/24/clinton-skipping-progressive-netroots-nation-gathering/

[Rex]

1. Last time she was there was 2007...gee what was going on in 2007?

I hate it when candidates do face time and have no real interest in the groups.

[geek tragedy]

3. It used to be a gathering of online activists.

Now, it's pretty much a bunch of professional journos and writers, and those looking to get into that work. Very few actual activists there.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/22/1315176/-Sad-But-True-Activism-Just-Ain-t-Sexy-to-the-So-Called-Netroots

There's some kind of lesson there, not sure what.

[Rex]

6. Doesn't look that way, Bernie and O'Malley are both going to be there.

Sorry but NN is a huge gathering of political activists, that some are blog writers etc should not be a surprise to anyone.

[geek tragedy]

10. They'll be there because thousands of liberal bloggers, writers, etc

will be there.

But, these aren't the people who are out campaigning for better schools in their hometowns.

[Rex]

12. According to their site, they do a lot of social justice.

So you are saying the NN has gone from neighborhood populists to the jet set crowd? The NEA and AFL-CIO like them as does PP. Also. thousands of liberal blogger and writers could have an impact on voting numbers.

[geek tragedy]

15. As I said, it's a trade show. Writers for liberal magazines, bloggers for labor unions etc,

consultants, ad people.

It's kind of like CPAC for our side.

[Rex]

17. Interesting, never thought of NN like that.

Then again, never been to one of their shows before I just read the website on occasion. If it helps get votes for Dems, then I am all for it.

[geek tragedy]

19. there's certainly a role for this kind of event, but it's certainly

not a mass gathering of salt of the earth types.

Lots of Ivy league graduates etc.

[Rex]

20. They do have some great writers from time to time.

I figured it was still a populist movement. Sounds more like GOTV.

[geek tragedy]

23. Not populist at all. They went gaga for Mark Warner when he hosted a reception there

with *gasp* a chocolate fountain.

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1203541,00.html

One taste of the high life, and . . .

[Aerows]

47. Are you done

damning Sanders and O'Malley with false praise and smearing them with your chocolate fountain?

For heaven's sake - endorse Hillary and quit playing games. You and I agree on a lot of things, geek tragedy, but this is so transparent Stevie Wonder could see through it.

[geek tragedy]

50. You are imagining things and are out of line.

Kindly keep such sentiments to yourself. We wil get along just fine so long as you step off and stop telling me what I think.

[Aerows]

54. I was unaware that

noticing the things that people post, commenting on a shift in views and recognizing back-handed compliments to Bernie Sanders qualifies me as "tellin you what you think".

I'm not going to sit here and say I didn't imply that you are a Hillary Clinton supporter and wear a Bernie avatar.

Because I did.

And it was likely not the best way to go about things, but I do own up to what I say and the motivations behind what I say.

[geek tragedy]

56. I agree with sanders more than I agree with Clinton.

It's very simple.

That said, I live In the real world and can do math. There is a substantial chance Clinton will be the nominee. Convincing ourselves that Clinton is some kind of demon whose every action is motivated by evil is not a good idea.

[Aerows]

60. I've done my best to take the high road

with respect to our candidates.

I've also made it no secret that I don't believe that Hillary Clinton is our best choice for President.

I really detest passive aggressive politics.

[malokvale77]

57. In spite of your avatar...

your posts (that I have seen) seem to be more about cutting Bernie down than supporting him.

Your reply to Aerows was rude and out of line.

Now tell me to step off. I could give two shits if we get along.

[TM99]

59. I asked Greek the same

question as I have gotten the impression he supports Clinton more than Sanders as well.

He always jumps in to defend Clinton. Has he done the same for Sanders?

[Autumn]

104. I haven't seen it yet.

[geek tragedy]

63. I'm sorry, you must have me confused with the guy who cares about your opinion. nt

[Aerows]

66. And here's the nutshell

Wear one avatar, support another.

[geek tragedy]

70. Where is it written that just because I prefer one I can't be generally supportive of all three?

Again, it is not your place to harass people.

[TM99]

73. No where, but

don't feign the innocent victim if you speak about supporting one but offer more support and defense for the other and get called out on it.

[geek tragedy]

77. You know, I stopped participating in organized religion

to get away from Church Ladies doing their Superiority Dances.

Such behavior is not any more appealing in political zealots.

[TM99]

79. Religion has zero to do with it.

I just don't believe you.

[geek tragedy]

81. Well isn't that special. Don't bother replying, I won't see it.

[Aerows]

76. If expressing an opinion on a message board contrary to another person

is harassment, then none of us (me included) belong here.

I've regularly stated that I support O'Malley and Sanders, while also praising those in the HC group for not letting the debates get dragged down into the gutter.

I am against trolling, baiting and harassing people.

That said, I am not going to pretend to genuflect with contrition when someone makes an out-of-the-blue accusation that I have done so.

On the contrary, I will stand up for myself and say, no. The only harassment I've committed against you is disagreeing with you.

[geek tragedy]

78. No you accused me of dishonesty.

Multiple times.

E.g.

Playing around and being disingenuous does not become you.

And now there are three of you here taking shots at me. Just put one Pharisee on ignore, getting ready to put the second one there.

I would prefer to not have to make it 3/3.

[Aerows]

80. I'm not going to get

into this passive-aggressive wheelhouse.

I plain as day stated my thoughts, and I'm a Democrat.

[geek tragedy]

82. Sigh. 3/3

[Aerows]

83. Oh yes, I did say that.

I meant it, too.

[malokvale77]

67. I'm not confused about you at all. nt

[sabrina 1]

84. That was years ago when Markos was determined to silence the liberal voices

in order to satisfy his Third Way bosses. That didn't work out well for him, he lost thousands of members, women left DK in droves, after he called women's issues, and gay issues 'pet issues we are not going to allow to cost us this election'.

I guess nearly losing your business when people realize they were being scammed, kind of woke him up a little.

Netroots has changed a lot since then. Progressives who attend are not kind to DLCers/Third Wayers, so I can see why Hillary would not want to face the tough questions they demand answers to.

Nancy Pelosi eg didn't fare very well there as a result of her refusing to hold the Bush criminals accountable.

DK is now almost 90% pro Sanders. Marcos appears to have 'changed'. At least for now, he has a habit of changing his mind overnight.

But not to worry, Hillary's surrogate, O'Malley will be there to try to go after Bernie on their behalf. I wish him luck in a room full of Bernie supporters if he tries to repeat his blatant attack on the WRONG person, considering he claims to be the Progressive candidate.

Those who attend Net Roots Nation are no fools, and politicians who try to fool them have not fared very well in the past.

[AgingAmerican]

14. Hillary won't be there because thousands of liberal bloggers, writers, etc

...will be there ASKING QUESTIONS.

[TheKentuckian]

109. and there shall be none of that!

[Aerows]

46. Psst

Liberal isn't a dirty word anymore.

It doesn't matter who you set as your avatar, many people still know when "liberal" is being used as a pejorative.

Liberals are not too crazy to be elected, not too crazy to attend political forums to expound on our platform, and finally, aren't to elite to stand, smell, and talk with the regular human beings of the American citizenry.

[Scuba]

92. Is it physically painful to be so wrong, so often?

[geek tragedy]

93. you tell me. Like the time you promoted libertarian conspiracy theories re: net neutrality

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6286380

When it turns out, it was how admin law works. As anyone who (a) knows what they're talking about and (b) isn't a libertarian shill for corporate America and C) wasn't a die-hard Obamahater recognized at the time.

So, tell us, did it cause you physical pain to be so comically wrong while pimping rightwing, anti-net neutrality, pro corporate propaganda?

But, I know, understanding stuff before pimping unhinged conspiracy theories originated by libertarians and corporate lobbyists isn't very 'populist.'

Much better to be loud and wrong than actually know stuff.

Especially when knowing stuff would interfere with the primary goal--mindlessly bashing President Obama, even when he's 100% right on the policy merits.

The net neutrality issue was a great way of separating out good faith critics of Democratic policies versus those who don't care about policy but rather just look for excuses to complain and draw attention to themselves.

[geek tragedy]

94. Also, was it physically painful to write this classic:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=235165

Star Member Scuba (45,950 posts)

12. Net neutrality died when Obama named Wheeler to head the FCC, his empty rhetoric notwithstanding.

note that when your profoundly dumb (and physically painful) declaration that Obama had killed net neutrality was exposed as being false, you started pimping libertarian conspiracy theories so you could attack Obama FOR IMPLEMENTING NET NEUTRALITY.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=414966

Not many people have made fools of themselves bashing Obama for killing net neutrality and then bashing Obama for implementing it. Congratulations to you on that. Must have been physically painful.

I predict you will not respond to this post, having lost the fight you picked, badly.

[Scuba]

99. Cute, but we still have secret laws, secret rules, secret courts and naming Wheeler to the FCC ....

... was still a very poor move on the President's part. We only saved net neutrality by having a huge groundswell of people calling, writing and emailing and insisting on net neutrality, not because the President named a telecomm lobbyist shill to head the FCC.

[geek tragedy]

100. Lol. Yeah, YOU forced Obama to promote net neutrality.

YOU deserve all the credit. YOU saved the day from Obama, who had a secret plan to kill net neutrality even though he had always supported it.

Because Obama is the antichrist and only does good stuff when angry Internet posters who hate his guts complain.

Never mind you were 100% incorrect and speaking out of ignorance and personal dislike of the President when you aided and abetted the corporate shills attacking the net neutrality rule as a shadowy, legally dubious conspiracy.

It was a 3-2 partisan vote, Obama has always favored net neutrality, and that wound up being his policy. But that's boring old reality on planet Earth, so you pay it no heed.

Btw, it's killing you to not be able to make a snotty comment about the eulogy today, isn't it?

[Scuba]

101. You have my pity.

[geek tragedy]

102. Lol. Some people need to believe they've never

been wrong.

P.S. My life is actually pretty damn good. Save your pity for yourself, the next time a Democrat makes you lose faith in the world. Must really suck to be just an anti

[geek tragedy]

2. Netroots Nation is a trade show for paid liberal bloggers and writers

who go there to self-promote and network.

It's not a gathering of activists.

The founding blog of Netroots Nation, is boycotting it this year because it's in Arizona.

[Rex]

5. Wrong, it is a huge group now with lots of sponsors and activists.

Bernie and O'Malley are both going to be there and speak...

http://www.netrootsnation.org/

Please, nobody take my word for it go look for yourselves at the link.

[geek tragedy]

8. It's a huge thing, but it's become a victim of its own success and is now

a trade show for writers, consultants, etc etc.

Who has $1000 bucks to drop on a trip to Vegas in July?

[Rex]

9. True, would rather gamble away $1000 in Vegas then look at a tiny plate of food

and wonder what the money went for.

EDIT - It should, however, be interesting to see the exchange between Sanders and O'Malley.

[geek tragedy]

11. That will be interesting. I'm not criticizing O'Malley or Bernie for

being there, and will look forward to seeing how that goes.

I've never been to Vegas, but can't imagine it's a very pleasant place in peak summer.

[Rex]

13. You couldn't drag me to Las Vegas.

I am sure for some it is an Adult Disneyland...however I would rather go to Disneyland.

[Divernan]

22. It's in Phoenix, Arizona, not Las Vegas.

[geek tragedy]

95. Ah yes, even better. It was in Vegas in 2006. nt

[Aerows]

48. FFS, geek

endorse Hillary already.

Playing around and being disingenuous does not become you.

[geek tragedy]

49. Are you the freaking Pope of Bernie Supporterdom?

You are out of line.

[Aerows]

53. Yes.

I wear a funny hat.

[azmom]

62. Yes, LOL

[TM99]

69. Have you been to one Greek?

I have.

Here are a few of the speakers this year - Lori Adelman, Jenifer Fernandez Ancona, Dagoberto Bailón, Beth Becker, Heather Booth, Glynda C. Carr, Gregory Cendana, Jess X. Chen, Austen Levihn-Coon, Benjamin O’Keefe, Robin Reineke, Justin Robinson, Palak Shah, Wagatwe Wanjuki, Elon James White, Teresa C. Younger, and Deanna Zandt.

Would you like to disparage Robin Rieneke perhaps? She's a local anthropology professor.

Or perhaps Palak Shah who works for the National Domestic Workers Alliance?

I am particularly excited to hear Elon James White, but I guess the host of This Week in Blackness is only there to self-promote and network.

[geek tragedy]

72. Speakers are generally very good.

But in my years on the Internet, I've grown weary of the self-congratulatory regard with which the "Netroots" views itself.

Talking about politics on the Internet isn't activism any more than calling into the local sports radio station is playing baseball.

[riversedge]

4. she has a preplanned engagment...

Clinton, however, is committed to an Arkansas Democratic Party dinner on July 18, the day of the scheduled candidate panel.

[AgingAmerican]

18. ...where they WON'T be asking questions....

nt

[BrotherIvan]

25. $200 per ticket

One has to BUY access if they want a seat at the table.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. Netroots Nation has $195 ticket for Phoenix locals, $365 for 'activist rate' on a limited basis

$895 is the full price.

[BrotherIvan]

39. That is for the entire conference, not access to the candidate

[Bluenorthwest]

89. And yet if you wish to hear the speech you have to pay those fees, and you were implying

that Netroots Nation was less costly to attend. Can't hear the candidates without paying the full registration, so the price of the candidate event is the price of full registration.
Your comment implied NN was free or far less costly than the other event, when it is not only not free, it is more costly to attend than the event whose price you don't care for.

I'm really against double standards. 'She's charging $200, so greedy, we just charge $800!'

Double standards make me nervous. If a fee is too high for thee, it's also too high for me.

And of course as you know, buying a seat to hear a speech is not 'access to the candidate' at either event, it's just hearing a speech. Smarm is smarm, man.

[BrotherIvan]

90. Ok

[Divernan]

96. A POST-planned engagement: announced Ark. dinner on June 6th

Yes, the Arkansas Democratic party didn't announce her plans to attend until just a couple of weeks ago!

Obviously HRC ginned up an excuse to avoid NN, which was scheduled many months in advance. If she weren't slipping in the polls and under so much pressure to answer questions on so many substantive issues on which she has not taken a position, she may well have gone.

Wonder who the poor schlub ORIGINALLY scheduled to be the Keynote Speaker was!
There was a small excited blurb that HRC was coming to the dinner on a blog in the Arkansas Times on June TENTH of this month, but the official announcement from the Arkansas Democratic Party didn't appear until June FIFTEENTH!

Like I said - a desperation, last minute move to give her cover for not having the ability to face unscripted questions!

Hillary Clinton to headline Arkansas Dems' 2015 Jefferson-Jackson dinner
Posted By Benjamin Hardy on Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:58 AM

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2015/06/10/hillary-clinton-to-headline-arkansas-dems-2015-jefferson-jackson-dinner/

Hillary Clinton Headlines 2015 JJ Dinner for Arkansas Democrats
June 15, 2015
NEWS RELEASE
Hillary Clinton Headlines 2015 JJ Dinner for Arkansas Democrats
(LITTLE ROCK) Today, Democratic Party of Arkansas Chair Vincent Insalaco announced Hillary Clinton as the special guest for the 2015 DPA Jefferson-Jackson Dinner.
“We are thrilled to have our former first lady, Hillary Clinton, home in Arkansas for this year’s JJ Dinner,” Insalaco said. “
http://arkdems.org/2015/06/15/hillary-clinton-headlines-2015-jj-dinner-arkansas-democrats/

[Raine1967]

7. IT will be a great town hall discussion.

I am looking forward to the discussion between O'Malley and Sanders.

[Rex]

16. Me too, been waiting on it.

NN should be a great environment for them to have a great debate.

[Divernan]

21. Snubbing 3000 internet activists to speak at a fundraiser?

Is that just poor judgment on her part, or is she afraid of an unscripted appearance with - gasp!-unscreened questions? Or that she's not getting paid? That was the explanation of this commenter at this link: http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-miss-convention-liberal-activists-bloggers-133039954--election.html;_ylt=A0LEVjzGWoxV81AAtLUnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEzbWFxdmg3BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDRkZHRTAyXzEEc2VjA3Nj

Why? Cause she is not getting paid $200,000 to appear and they will not pay for the large private jet to fly her to Phoenix. Clintons bilked small charities and non-profits for massive speaking fees to line their greedy pockets. Clintons charge big fees to small groups. The Clinton Foundation has taken in as much as $11M in payments from small non-profit groups.

When Condoleezza Rice headlined a 2009 fundraising luncheon for the Boys and Girls Club of Long Beach, she collected a $60,000 speaking fee, then donated almost all of it back to the club, according to multiple sources familiar with the club’s finances. Hillary Clinton was not so generous to the small charity, which provides after-school programs to underprivileged children across the Southern California city. Clinton collected $200,000 to speak at the same event five years later, but she donated nothing back to the club, which raised less than half as much from Clinton’s appearance as from Rice’s, according to the sources and tax filings. from politico article.

Hillary Clinton says, “Success isn’t measured by how much the wealthiest Americans have, but by how many children climb out of poverty.” So why did she charge an exorbitant speaking fee to a charity that helps poor kids?

Fine, she sent the cash to another “nonprofit” — the family’s $2 billion foundation. But Condi Rice, another ex-secretary of state, gave her own (much lower) fee from the same outfit — the Boys and Girls Club of Long Beach, Calif. — back to the charity.

Politico reports that Clinton charged $200,000 to speak at the club’s annual fund-raiser last year, the most the group ever paid a speaker. As a result, the club — which provides after-school programs to underprivileged children — netted only $106,000 from the event, its lowest take in 25 years.

Rice spoke at its 2009 fund-raiser, charged $60,000 and immediately donated it back. That event yielded nearly $258,000. The difference — $150,000 — is a big deal for a charity with a budget of under $3 million a year.

http://nypost.com/2015/06/20/hillary-clintons-shameful-charge-to-a-childrens-charity/

[BrotherIvan]

28. Speechless...

That not look good.

[frylock]

31. optics

[roguevalley]

35. Condi rice is bush's office wife and bill clinton is a bush 'son'. family doing another family

member a solid by donating. The other needy? Fuck them apparently.

[L0oniX]

42. ^^^this^^^

[HappyMe]

24. Kind of hard to control all questions

she may have to field in that kind of situation. No hand picked attendees, no script, no go.

[Mnpaul]

110. It didn't turn out well for her in 2007

She got beat up by Edwards and Obama and the crowd laughed at her.

[Warpy]

26. That's a really dumb thing for her to do

It looks like she's getting the same stellar campaign handling she got in 2007-2008.

[BrotherIvan]

30. It's brilliant! Brilliant I tell you!

The best campaign strategy evar.

[randys1]

27. "Snubs" is a word I would expect elsewhere

I know when I go to my favorite rightwing puke board they will use that word

[BrotherIvan]

29. Ah yes, the tone argument!

Perfect.

[randys1]

33. So if Bernie doesnt go to a particular event, you will be happy to read the snub word?

[BrotherIvan]

40. I'm sure DU will come up with plenty

Right now, he's a Socialist! The troops have their marching orders.

[MohRokTah]

32. See latest DU "polls" for how "Netroots" feel about Hillary Clinton.

It would be much bigger news if she was planning on attending.

[Exilednight]

38. Yes, it would be horrible if she had to answer questions from Planned Parenthood,

MoveOn.org, BNR or the National Education Association.

Doctors, Unions and Teachers ... OH MY!

[polichick]

36. Same day as Goldman Sachs company picnic?

[L0oniX]

41. Bilderbergers meeting.

[frylock]

98. build a burger meeting..

[Autumn]

105. Build a better butter burger

[Thinkingabout]

37. Why did Netroots set the date which Hillary was already booked, looks like they did not

Want her to attend and now they complain they are snobbed

[Divernan]

43. She could have gone to both; 1 in afternoon, 1 in evening

what with all her wealthy supporters' private jets, she does travel in absolute luxury. As noted above, Netroots did not offer to pay her OR foot the bill for a private jet. And you don't know how long ago she was invited, OR that Netroots organizers had access to her scheduling. Elizabeth Warren (the keynote speaker), Bernie & O'Malley all were able to fit it into their schedules.

More importantly, Netroots has this annual meeting every year in late June or early July. On the national political scene, it is a 3 day complex & intricate event requiring much more advance planning than some Arkansas Democratic committee state fundraiser/dinner.

The New York Times said: "Netroots Nation is “becoming as much a part of the Democratic political circuit as the Iowa State Fair.”
Clinton herself participated in a Netroots presidential forum for Democratic candidates in the last election cycle. Assuming Clinton has halfway competent schedulers, they had this annual conference on their calendar long ago. One envisions a VEEP episode with Selina telling her staff, "For god's sake find me an excuse not to go."

The big event: The tenth annual gathering of the Netroots will be held July 16–19 in Phoenix, AZ. Netroots Nation 2015 will include 80 panels, 40+ training sessions, inspiring keynotes, film screenings and other engaging sessions designed to educate, stimulate and inspire the nation’s next generation of progressive leaders.

Each year, thousands of bloggers, newsmakers, social justice advocates, labor and organizational leaders, grassroots organizers and online activists come together to make new connections, hone their organizing skills, share best practices and build stronger relationships with others working on the issues they care most about. And each year, some of the brightest minds in progressive politics come to Netroots Nation to speak with—and hear from—our community.
Past conferences have featured appearances by Vice President Joe Biden and President Bill Clinton; a Presidential Leadership Forum that drew seven Democratic candidates including then-Senator Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton; a surprise visit from Al Gore; interactive Q&A sessions with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid; and a chance to hear from three Nobel laureates. As The New York Times said, Netroots Nation is “becoming as much a part of the Democratic political circuit as the Iowa State Fair.”

[Thinkingabout]

44. Dorsn't look like they wanted her to attend, when you have a heavy schedule and she has has heavy

Scheduling, you can't attend all. She had a much better chance to get more votes on her Arkansas trip, where does the choice come down, on the side of votes.

[Divernan]

45. She was only asked to come to ONE session on ONE day! Come on!

What on earth do you mean - "Doesn't look like they wanted her to attend"? Do you have a single fact on which to base that claim? Haven't you ever gone to one of these organizational, multi-day, annual conferences? I specifically detailed for you the previous discussion they sponsored for Democratic presidential candidates. Guest speakers, such as the candidates come for one session - not the entire conference! The original post's link even explained that both Sanders and O’Malley will attend the same Iowa Democratic Party event as Clinton on July 17th, but they are able to get to Phoenix the following day for the NN conference.

I've been to annual meetings of the National Council of State Legislatures (5 days long) and we had drop-in's from sitting presidents as well as presidential candidates. Believe me, they weren't there for more than one hour and then were whisked off by their handlers to their next gathering.

And are you stating Hillary has reason to worry about carrying ARKANSAS? If there is one state she should be able to count on, it would be Arkansas. Like I said, looking for any excuse to avoid being subjected to unscreened questions.

[Thinkingabout]

51. You said the magic words.

Sanders and O’Malley will attend the same Iowa Democratic Party event as Clinton on July 17th, but they are able to get to Phoenix the following day for the NN conference.

It was the following day, not the same day.

[TM99]

55. Bullshit.

These large scale events are planning months in advance.

[Thinkingabout]

58. Now there is a hint, large scale events are planned months in advance, do you think the

other event was not planned in advance. Bad argument, there was a scheduling conflict, it will happen with all the candidates, deal with it.

[TM99]

61. Scheduling aside,

it speaks volumes that Clinton will not be in attendance.

She can choose a softball Arkansas Democratic Party event or she can choose the major progressive liberal yearly event in the US.

[Thinkingabout]

65. Now really, why should Netroots command of a person to attend their event. There will

be lots of events, those who do not agree are making demands which is not acceptable, get it, she will not be at the Netroots but will be at a Democratic event.

[TM99]

71. Who said anything about 'commanding'.

It simply speaks volumes that she is choosing the small state party function over the large grassroots progressive conference.

Yes, indeed, Clinton is an apparatchik alright.

[Thinkingabout]

75. What speaks volumes is she is honoring her commitment to the event she already has scheduled.

She is not going to change her schedule to meet Netroots, she doesn't need to do so, she is in control her schedule as she see fit. I would rather take a state.

[Divernan]

88. Nope - she didn't schedule this appearance until this month.

[Thinkingabout]

106. Do you think she is going to the Netroots meeting? No, and to be honest she doesn't have to attend

Their meeting or accept their invitation.

[TM99]

103. Se Post #96.

Netroots Nation was scheduled months ago. The Arkansas event was just scheduled this month.

[Divernan]

86. HRC didn't commit to Ark. dinner until this month, June 6th!

I just researched this and the PESKY FACTS blow your pallid defense of HRC right out of the water. Perhaps she WAS planning to attend NN, until Bernie's accelerating success & huge crowd turnouts scared her off. See post 85 below, which states:

Wonder who the poor schlub ORIGINALLY scheduled to be the Keynote Speaker was!
There was a small excited blurb that HRC was coming to the dinner on a blog in the Arkansas Times on June TENTH of this month, but the official announcement from the Arkansas Democratic Party didn't appear until June FIFTEENTH!

Like I said - a desperation, last minute move to give her cover for not having the ability to face unscripted questions!

Hillary Clinton to headline Arkansas Dems' 2015 Jefferson-Jackson dinner
Posted By Benjamin Hardy on Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:58 AM

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2015/06/10/hillary-clinton-to-headline-arkansas-dems-2015-jefferson-jackson-dinner/

Hillary Clinton Headlines 2015 JJ Dinner for Arkansas Democrats
June 15, 2015
NEWS RELEASE
Hillary Clinton Headlines 2015 JJ Dinner for Arkansas Democrats
(LITTLE ROCK) Today, Democratic Party of Arkansas Chair Vincent Insalaco announced Hillary Clinton as the special guest for the 2015 DPA Jefferson-Jackson Dinner.
“We are thrilled to have our former first lady, Hillary Clinton, home in Arkansas for this year’s JJ Dinner,” Insalaco said. “
http://arkdems.org/2015/06/15/hillary-clinton-headlines-2015-jj-dinner-arkansas-democrats/

[hedda_foil]

97. Plus, in using this excuse, her handlers overlooked a rather large elephant in the room, so to speak

Three things make the excuse nonsensical. As has been pointed out above:

1) The Arkansas Dems JJ Dinner is an evening affair. So even if there were only one day she could speak at NN, I'm sure they'd happily have given her a morning slot.

1) Netroots Nation is a 3 day event, and I'm quite certain they offered her people the campaign's choice of both day and time to speak there.

2) NN was scheduled months and months ago. These types of conferences are often scheduled at least a year in advance, and usually even longer to nail down the most advantageous facilities at the best price. Unless her schedulers were unqualified ( and how unlikely is that?) they had the event listed in their planning calendars last year.


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[Divernan]

87. Ark.Dems WEREN'Tplanning on HRC"months in advance".

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She didn't decide to grace them with her presence until THIS MONTH, i.e., JUNE - not what anyone would call "advance planning", is it? See Post 85, which details the announcement out of Arkansas. These pesky facts sure make it hard for you to rationalize and defend her behavior on this issue don't they!

[malokvale77]

64. What?

The world should revolve around Mrs. Clinton.

[Thinkingabout]

68. Who said the world should revolve around Mrs Clinton? Who says the world should revolve around

Netroots?

[elleng]

52. Doesn't need 'us?'

[TM99]

74. If my health permits and the heat is not

too outrageous, I will be in attendance as it is in my city this year.

The panels, speakers, and topics look terrific.

I am not surprised in the least that Clinton will not be in attendance. Perhaps O'Malley will attack Sanders for her in her absence.

[Divernan]

85. HRC didn't commit to Ark. dinner until THIS MONTH, June Sixth!

Wonder who the poor schlub ORIGINALLY scheduled to be the Keynote Speaker was!
There was a small excited blurb that HRC was coming to the dinner on a blog in the Arkansas Times on June TENTH of this month, but the official announcement from the Arkansas Democratic Party didn't appear until June FIFTEENTH!

Like I said - a desperation, last minute move to give her cover for not having the ability to face unscripted questions!

Hillary Clinton to headline Arkansas Dems' 2015 Jefferson-Jackson dinner
Posted By Benjamin Hardy on Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 9:58 AM

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2015/06/10/hillary-clinton-to-headline-arkansas-dems-2015-jefferson-jackson-dinner/

Hillary Clinton Headlines 2015 JJ Dinner for Arkansas Democrats
June 15, 2015
NEWS RELEASE
Hillary Clinton Headlines 2015 JJ Dinner for Arkansas Democrats
(LITTLE ROCK) Today, Democratic Party of Arkansas Chair Vincent Insalaco announced Hillary Clinton as the special guest for the 2015 DPA Jefferson-Jackson Dinner.
“We are thrilled to have our former first lady, Hillary Clinton, home in Arkansas for this year’s JJ Dinner,” Insalaco said. “
http://arkdems.org/2015/06/15/hillary-clinton-headlines-2015-jj-dinner-arkansas-democrats/

[EndElectoral]

91. Kind of gutless to not show up since she will be relying on these voters down the road.

It's also a chance to answer her challengers.

[HooptieWagon]

107. WalMart BoD meeting or something?

[eridani]

108. Sponsors of Netroots Nation, for those interested

http://www.netrootsnation.org/nn15/sponsors/

Unions, feminists, environmental groups--all the usual suspects.

[Beacool]

111. Why should she subject herself to an antagonistic crowd?

Warren, Sanders and O'Malley will be there. They are more to their liking anyway.

Besides, she already has other commitments on those dates.

[Cali_Democrat]

112. Sanders and O'Malley caught hell. nt

[Beacool]

113. Really?

I'm tuning out most of the negativity. I don't pay attention to Netroots, so I didn't know.

Oh, well..........