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[jehop61]

I love Sen, Sanders ideas on our economy and solutions to it's problems. But, he rarely speaks on international issues. Amb. Clinton has strong international credentials. What will Sen, Sanders do to improve our international standing in the world?

[Smarmie Doofus]

1. Do her credentials include playing a pivotal role in plunging the entire middle east into unending....

... mass murder, chaos, war, civil war, migrating masses of refugees, and revival of murderous historic sectarian antipathies?

"Credentials".

Credentials?

Credentials.

[jehop61]

5. Sorry folks

I was asking a legitimate question about the ideas of both candidates, not trying to start anti Hillary ranting. We are all liberals, progressives here. It's not necessary to hate one candidate to like another. A good voter is one who understands the ideas of all candidates and then decides. I only see that Sen. Sanders rarely discusses that other important part of the presidency, international relations. I had hoped his supporters could help me know his positions better.

[Divernan]

18. You touted her "strong international credentials" & got a response.

[George II]

34. They weren't "touted", they were mentioned...and then the vultures swept in!

[Warpy]

27. I don't think a bad record trumps no record

Clinton is a hawk. Sanders is not.

I want to keep this country out of more financially ruinous wars of corporate convenience. Not continuing a ruinous economic strategy along with that seals the deal.

Ergo, I don't respect the credentials her fans are so impressed by.

[quickesst]

29. first reply out of the gate

This should tell you where many of Sander's supporters priorities are. Like mean spirited ten year olds in a virtual playground. Their blatant hatred of HRC far outweighs any support the have for Bernie.

[George II]

33. Not your fault, but that's what happens when a serious question is asked here....

....welcome to DU.

[George II]

32. I believe the region was already plunged about 7 years before she was SOS

[Adrahil]

35. No. You're thinking of George W. Bush. n/t

[djean111]

2. Hillary's foreign credentials scare me. n/t

[99Forever]

3. Rather than ask for second hand info..

....I would suggest you look up and listen to his own words on any subject you "are concerned" about.

I'll pass on Clinton's chickenhawk warmongering international "experience" personally. But that's your call for you.

[tritsofme]

6. You are quoting a book written by a Bill Kristol lacky. Not to mention "Newsmax"

To smear Hillary. Good job.

Will your next post be about Vince Foster?

[Divernan]

8. Got any facts to dispute him? Thought not.

Her history is out there, documented through FOIA requests. Her baggage is massive. She will have to deal with ALL of this in a general election, yet she can't even deal with it in the primary - avoiding press conferences and unscreened questions. If you can't defend her now with factual rebuttals (not attacking the messenger), what will you do in the general election? Bernie, on the other hand does not have said baggage.

[tritsofme]

11. Seriously, you have gone way over the deep end. This trash is Vince Foster territory.

I honestly can't believe unadulterated right wing propaganda is being used to smear Hillary, usually you all are at least a little more clever. But now you are directly quoting a right wing nut job, and taking him at his word. Unbelievable.

The nonsense they spout does not merit response.

[Divernan]

14. Why do you keep bringing up Vince Foster (RIP, Vince).

And aren't you grateful no one is touching the farcical slapstick of dodging sniper fire in Bosnia?

Hey, the OP brought up the subject of HRC's international experience. What are you? The Legion of Decency to ban best-selling books?

The book's been out for a year, more than enough time for the Clintons or a surrogate to put together a response.

[tritsofme]

15. Best selling, sure. Newsmax probably has warehouses full of them.

These right wing hit jobs on Hillary really seem to tickle you, huh?

[Divernan]

17. Nope. I'm into the inside facts on D.C. machinations.

And it makes sense that Obama would neutralize her as SOS. Brilliant on his part. The old, keep your friends close but your enemies closer. "It turned out to be a brilliant political maneuver by Obama, making it impossible for her to challenge him, unless she left the administration, and not giving her an excuse that she could resign in protest. So she was stuck."

[99Forever]

10. A wee bit defensive, are we?

Perhaps "looking for information" isn't actually your true motive, eh?

[tritsofme]

13. I am attacking a phony baloney right wing source.

Defending Bill Kristol and his neocon friends in their delusional right wing smears is not a good look on people here.

And I have no idea what you based your little "looking for information" dig on, but cute I guess.

[George II]

31. Someone alerted this post as abuse, believe it or not the vote was only 4-3 to hide!!!!

[Cha]

36. Yeah, looks like some newsmax fans on the jury, George.. but, the main thing is

.. it got a HIDE!

[George II]

37. True, but I've actually seen worse survive by 4-3 votes.

[Divernan]

7. The Clintons were seriously interested in this book.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/books/review/inside-the-list.html?_r=0

With the book’s debut this week at No. 10, there are now three Clinton-related volumes on the hardcover nonfiction list; Halper joins Edward Klein, whose “Blood Feud” is No. 3 after five weeks, and Hillary Clinton herself, whose “Hard Choices” is No. 5 after seven weeks. This state of affairs is nothing new.

By my count, the Clintons have featured in more than 60 best sellers since entering the national stage in 1992. And they retain a close interest in what’s written about them, according to Halper. “While I was still reporting on my book,” he told Politico last month, “James Carville’s office called, seemingly out of the blue, to grill me on whom I’d already spoken to. I obviously refused to indulge the questioner.” Halper also said that Clinton’s publisher had reached out to his publisher for information about the book, and that “Clintonites” were scrambling to identify his unnamed sources. “I’ve found the task of covering the Clintons fascinating,” he said. “They’re not exactly the people we see on television.” They may, however, be the people we see in literature.

Halper sets his tone by opening “Clinton, Inc.” with a damning line from “The Great Gatsby”: “They were careless people, Tom and Daisy — they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into . . . whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.”

[elleng]

9. Please watch/listen to this from Martin O'Malley.

Not entirely on point as it's from a candidate you didn't mention, but well worth everyone's attention.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?326811-1/former-governor-martin-omalley-us-national-security

[jehop61]

12. Thanks, EllenG

At last, some good information to help determine who might be the candidate to support. Why are some folks so divisive?

[elleng]

16. You're welcome, jehop61.

Not sure, bad day yesterday??? (CAN'T be that!) but just read a piece by Gary Hart, 'Vanity politics,' http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251416289. I'm afraid it's becoming/become an integral part of our 'discourse.'

[FSogol]

38. I'll second that. Well worth a watch. n/t

[raouldukelives]

19. I think his focus on American issues and economics.

Especially multinational corporations and Wall St. will lead to fundamental and lasting changes internationally that not just we, but the entire world, will benefit from.

And of course, taking care of our injured veterans is a big deal for Bernie and I believe that includes not making more under false pretenses .

I'm part of a small cadre who think it really reflects poorly on us, internationally, when we bomb the wrong people.

[jehop61]

21. point taken

it was early on a sunday :

[LWolf]

22. The answers are in his walk.

It confuses me. I've heard, all of my life, people complaining that the politicians they've elected don't "walk their talk." But during campaign season, when they are evaluating candidates and choosing which to cast their vote for, so many seem to weigh campaign speeches so much more heavily than the road a candidate has already walked. I don't know what questions you have about international issues, but it seems like looking at the candidates' records would be more telling than listening to campaign speeches anyway. I'll bet, if you show up to a town hall meeting with Sanders and ask him, he'll have answers. Meanwhile, take a look at his walk:

Sanders voted against the AUMF. Clinton voted for it. That alone draws a clear distinction between the two of them on international military intervention.

Sanders voted against NAFTA while Clinton championed it as first lady. Sanders opposes the current "fast track" and TPP while Clinton side-steps it. That says a great deal about where they stand on trade with the international community.

Here's more:

http://www.ontheissues.org/international/Bernie_Sanders_Foreign_Policy.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Bernie_Sanders_War_+_Peace.htm

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/03/bernie-sanders-slams-netanyahus-warmongering-speech-congress.html

[Mister Ed]

24. Kudos for a thoughtful, constructive, and helpful answer to the OP's question. n/t

[Smarmie Doofus]

25. Oh. She's gooooooood. n/t

[Chan790]

23. Stop getting into stupid wars?

That would do a great deal to improve our international standing, don't you think?

[Smarmie Doofus]

26. I do. I most definitely DO.

The mystery here is.... what is the mystery?

We've followed Sec/Sen Clinton's prescriptions to the TEE.

For the last 15 years.

Were they smart? Were they wise? Did they work?




It's 7:00 on the east coast. Turn on the news.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

28. That's what I'd like to see in a President.

One who doesn't constantly feel the United States has to be the 'policeman of the world', but instead deploys our forces only as part of joint UN-led forces. Bond us into the international community, rather than simply always being the biggest bully on the block.

[jwirr]

30. The same thing that JFK did - get the best damn advisors around.