Would you vote for Hillary Clinton if she were running third party

[cyberswede]

in the general election?

[HFRN]

1. would I drink orange or grape Tang(tm), if I went to the moon? nt

[NCTraveler]

7. Now that's offensive.

I have alerted four times. You're toast.

[boston bean]

2. Wow, I'm flattered.

Two posts from you now that are copy cats of mine.

WONDERFUL!!

[marble falls]

8. Bean, you've always been a trend setter!!!

[boston bean]

9. When bostonbean talks DU listens!! hahahahahahahaha

sort of like this:

[JoePhilly]

17. +1

[marble falls]

3. NO. I don't vote third party candidates.

[cyberswede]

4. Me neither.

[NCTraveler]

5. No. nt.

[FSogol]

6. *

[Thinkingabout]

10. No third party for me, but Hillary would not be running as Third Party, she is a Democrat.

[cascadiance]

30. Joseph Lieberman was a Democrat and a former VP candidate as well...

That didn't stop him from running as an independent when voters lost confidence in the way he ran as a Democrat and he lost their vote for the party nomination for senator.

Seems like a total logical question to me with that history in place.

[Thinkingabout]

44. Perhaps there have been others who have run as independents, third party etc but Hillary is a

Democrat. She will not run as an independent.

[cascadiance]

46. I wonder if Al Gore would have selected Liebermann as VP if he didn't hear that same line!

Promises, promises...

[leftynyc]

67. If she didn't do it in 2008

why would you think she'd do it now? Or are you one of the DUers that INSISTED she would take the fight to the convention floor and then run independent? Let's remember you're talking about someone who has ALWAYS been a Democrat while being in defense of someone who still doesn't belong to the Democratic party.

[hrmjustin]

11. Those were still bogus hides from last night.

Funny how yours are allowed to stand but an HRC supporters are hidden.

[boston bean]

15. And the other directly linking to my hidden post

and declaring the post stupid, isn't considered meta...

oh well....

[hrmjustin]

16. This is what we are up against now.

Questioning Sanders is now considered a hideable offense.

[cyberswede]

19. I wouldn't have voted to hide that post...

but to claim it was merely "questioning Sanders" is a pretty naive view.

It's clear that some DUers are tired of the disingenuous "just asking questions" schtick; so I guess we all still take our chances with juries.

I posted my 2 posts to demonstrate how ridiculous these types of posts are. Maybe they weren't alerted on.

[hrmjustin]

20. Sanders is an independent senator.

It is legitimate to state you have concerns he might change his mind and go third party.

And to be frank Hillary gets things hurled at her all the time and it is not hidden.

It has become clear thst questioning Sanders is verboten.

[cyberswede]

21. He has stated he won't run as a spoiler. Why imply he was lying?

It's a transparent ploy (which my spoof posts illustrated), and a jury decided they wanted to hide it.

Asking legitimate questions about Sanders's positions, record, philosophy, evolution on issues (like gun control), etc is certainly not verboten. But that's not what that hidden post was doing.

That poster is not going to change who she supports based on the answers to any of those "questions" (and Hillary will probably be the nominee anyway), so I fail to see what is accomplished by these ridiculous "just asking questions" posts, other than to stir shit.

[hrmjustin]

22. Hillary Clinton is routinely called a liar on this site and those posts are not hidden.

This was about silencing a HRC supporter pure and simple.

As an independent senator he does not have the party loyalty as other senators do. Now so e here find that appealing and that is fine but all Boston Bean did was say she had concerns that he could change his mind.


People change their minds all the time.

This was an abuse of the jury system pure and simple.

[Capt. Obvious]

23. It's always about silencing HRC supporters

It can never be about anything else.

[boston bean]

38. It's obvious it IS sometimes...

and yes it can be about other things as well..

[hrmjustin]

27. And I believe him but my point was posting a thread questioning him is not a sin nor should it

have been hidden.

[JDPriestly]

59. Sanders has made it very clear that he will not run against a Democratic

nominee. He is probably more of a Democrat than some who have adhered themselves to the Democratic Party for a very long time.

Do you think Hillary would run as a third party candidate if Bernie were nominated?

And if she would, would you vote for her?

I would not vote for Bernie if he ran against a Democrat. And I am a big Bernie supporter.

[hrmjustin]

63. I will support the nominee.

[Chan790]

73. If circumstance seems to lean against your candidate, perhaps consider the 30th asshole hypothesis.

Basically, perhaps you get up today and you have a run-in with an asshole at the Dunkin Donuts, then another one at work and maybe one driving home from work and some asshole calls you to give you grief on the phone right before bedtime. It's a bad day, sure...but everybody has a bad day and it seems like a bad day because its out of the ordinary. But if you get up and every day all day long you deal with assholes, by the 30th asshole of the day...it might be time to question if perhaps you're the asshole and everybody is just reciprocating. (This was ultimately how I came to the realization that I am an asshole quite frequently and also that I seem dour and pissed off 24/7/365, even when laughing.) I am not calling you an asshole BTW. It's about the blind-spot of self-perceptions....sometimes because of assumptions we take for granted, our perspective is perceptibly altered to such a degree that it is impossible to accurately perceive circumstances as they really are.

If you spend all day running headlong into criticism that your candidate is a bad person and a bad candidate that believes and does bad things and society seems to actively stack the deck against her or lean against her successes...maybe the perceptive issue is that they're right about your candidate in a manner that you need consider isn't really debatable as much as objectively factual.

[hrmjustin]

74. I wasn't talking about my candidate.

I was talking about how you are not allowed to question Sanders here and how HRC supporters are treated.

Interesting post though.

Cheers.

[Chan790]

75. It really is about your candidate though, isn't it?

You perceive a difference in how Sanders and Clinton are considered on DU--you're questioning why HRC is allowed to be questioned to a greater extent than Sanders is and why her supporters are treated differently.

You can't really divorce the "why" from causative factors. None of those things occurs in a vacuum divorced from influencing factors of perception.

[hrmjustin]

76. This is about debate being shut down.

Someone didn't like Sanders being questioned.

This is not about Hillary's or Sanders's policies.

[randys1]

58. Hell, I just questioned why the use of "Democrat Senator" instead of the correct "DemocratIC Senator

and i was blocked from the Bernie group

To be fair I asked them to block me when they threatened me....

Me, a Democratic Socialist who has been one for a decade or more

[Little Star]

12. Hell no! I'm thankful she's one of us, a Democrat...

and I'll be voting for her in the primary & in the general election.

[Fred Sanders]

13. Would Clinton appease any Earth alien invaders or would she just attack them? This is important!

[whatthehey]

14. Fuck no - with one caveat

and this caveat applies to Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley, Webb, Chaffee and whoever else steps up. It also applies to official Green, Democratic Socialist, NUP, Communist Party of America and other fringe parties. Equally. No exceptions or distinctions.

I will vote for, donate to and support wherever possible the candidate most likely to beat Republicans from the left.

Since I live in reality in this age, that will be the Dem nominee. If that ever changes, and it did in Minnesota in 98 and Florida last year for examples so it can happen although very unlikely nationally, so will my vote and support.

[AgingAmerican]

18. Hopefully we eventually reach a place

...in this country, where a third or fourth party are viable. Until that happens, the answer is NO!

[rock]

24. No

As I said to the same question about Bernie:

The game is rigged. It is arranged so that the number or viable parties is plural yet minimal. I.e one less than the number of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch.

[NV Whino]

26. No.

[Peacetrain]

28. No

I am a Democrat.. and I support my party ... if Hillary decided to go third party she would not be supporting me...so No

[virtualobserver]

29. I would.....

If Donald Trump won the Democratic nomination.

[NorthCarolina]

31. No. eom

[Sancho]

32. I will not vote for ANY third party candidate.

We've seen the consequences - and electing the Democrat is the goal.

I will vote for the Democrat.

[Frances]

33. There is no way Hillary would run on a third party ticket

She is a Democrat.

So am I.

I will not vote third party ticket.

[cyberswede]

34. Neither will Bernie. He said so.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

35. Roast Pork Loin with Garlic & Rosemary

Ingredients

4 large garlic cloves, pressed
4 teaspoons chopped fresh rosemary or 2 teaspoons dried
1 1/2 teaspoons coarse salt
1/2 teaspoon ground black pepper
1 2 1/2-pound boneless pork loin roast, well trimmed
Fresh rosemary sprigs (optional)

Preparation

Preheat oven to 400°F. Line 13 x 9 x 2-inch roasting pan with foil. Mix first 4 ingredients in bowl. Rub garlic mixture all over pork. Place pork, fat side down, in prepared roasting pan. Roast pork 30 minutes. Turn roast fat side up. Roast until thermometer inserted into center of pork registers 155°F., about 25 minutes longer. Remove from oven; let stand 10 minutes.

Pour any juices from roasting pan into small saucepan; set over low heat to keep warm. Cut pork crosswise into 1/3-inch-thick slices. Arrange pork slices on platter. Pour pan juices over. Garnish with rosemary sprigs, if desired.

[cyberswede]

36. Be sure to share this recipe in this thread, too

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251417863

After all, it's what inspired the ridiculous OP I posted above.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

37. Perhaps a SPAM-egg-and cheese, then?

Ingredients

2 slices bread
1 slice cheese
1 large egg
2 slices SPAM® Single Classic

Directions

1 In small skillet, fry SPAM® Singles over medium-high heat, turning once, about 15 mintues.

2 In separate small skillet, cook egg to desired doneness.

3 Spread 1 side of each slice bread with butter. Place in skillet, butter-side-down; top 1 slice with cheese. Cook until cheese starts to melt and bread is toasted. Top cheese with SPAM® and egg. Cover with top slice bread.

[Capt. Obvious]

40. *drool*

Stop trying to silence those with Kosher diets.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

42. Here's my atonement.

The Ultimate Straight-Up Regular Kosher Dill Pickle

INGREDIENTS
1/4 cup kosher salt
1 tsp. sugar
1 Tbsp. black peppercorns
1 Tbsp. coriander seeds
6 dried chiles, such as chiles de arbol (optional)
1/4 cup white vinegar
3 lbs. (10–12) medium Kirby cucumbers
8-10 garlic cloves, smashed
10 dill sprigs

Special equipment:
2 16-oz. Mason jars
Cheesecloth
Rubber bands

Test Kitchen Tip:
To sterilize your jars—and you must—follow the instructions here.

PREPARATION
Combine 1/2 cup of water, salt, sugar, peppercorns, coriander and chiles over high heat in a medium saucepan. Bring to a boil and remove from heat. Add 1 1/2 cups of water and vinegar, stir to combine; let cool completely.

Scrub cucumbers to remove any dirt. Remove any tails or pieces of stem and cut in half lengthwise. (If you prefer them whole, that’s fine, just expect them to take an additional 3-4 days to fully ferment.) Divide cucumbers, garlic and dill sprigs among jars, making sure to pack the cucumbers tightly. Halve any remaining cucumbers crosswise to fill in the gap at the top.

Divide brine among jars, making sure to evenly distribute spices, leaving 1/4″ gap at the top of the jar.

Cover jars with cheesecloth and secure it with a rubber band. (This allows good bacteria to enter and keeps out dust and other impurities.)

Store in a cool, dark place (a cupboard or kitchen cabinet works great), and try not to disturb. Check pickles after 2 days to see how they are coming along (how fast they ferment will depend on their size). At this stage, you should have what is called a “half-sour”. Let them sit for an additional 2 days for a “full-sour.”

Place lid firmly on jar and refrigerate, these do not need to be processed again for canning. Store and enjoy for up to 2 months.

Note: Acidic solutions can cause some garlic (especially younger garlic) to turn blue. We know, this is crazy. But the pickles are still totally safe to eat, we promise.

[DinahMoeHum]

39. NO.

n/t

[LWolf]

41. Nope. nt

[leveymg]

43. She is already changing the Democratic Party into the Third Way Party. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

45. Link please

[leveymg]

48. The Third-Way and its Wall Street funders like Hillary. A lot. Elizabeth, not at all.

http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/can-hillary-unite-liberals-and-moderates-159167555644

[Thinkingabout]

50. It may surprise you but lots of Democrats also are those you refer to as the Third Way, they have a

Democratic like platform, perhaps you should do some research into the Third Way, good ideas for hard working Americans.

[leveymg]

54. I'll take that as your endorsement of The Third Way. No wonder you like HRC. ;-)

Was that Democratic like or "Democratic-like"?

[Thinkingabout]

57. I endorse Democrats, those in the Third Way are Democrats, yes I support issues in their platform,

they are good for hard working people. Don't try to intimidate me for liking Third Way issues.

[Thinkingabout]

52. BTW, thanks for the link it is a positive for Hillary.

[leveymg]

56. Sure it is. If you're positive about The Third Way.

[Thinkingabout]

60. Nothing new here with you, you may not like Third Way issues but many are the issues in the DNC

platform, I am Democrat and will remain a Democrat. I don't need to trash the DNC platform or the Third Way platform.

[brooklynite]

47. Nope...

Next question?

[leveymg]

49. Hillary is already a third party candidate. The Third Way. Undeniably, regardless of your Nopes.

They love her at TTW. She already belongs to the same Wall Street interests that own The Third Way.

[brooklynite]

65. Hillary is a mainstream Democrat, whom millions of Democrats support, regardless of your analysis

18 million votes in 2008 running against Barack Obama.

I think Elizabeth Warren said it best...

"All all of the women — Democratic women I should say — of the Senate urged Hillary Clinton to run, and I hope she does. Hillary is terrific,"

[leveymg]

66. But that flustered you, a bit, anyway. Didn't it?

Saying it twice doesn't make it any more true.

[brooklynite]

69. No, just the distraction of life in the real world (outside the DU bubble)...

...where politics actually happens

[TheNutcracker]

51. no.

[JDPriestly]

53. No. And that could happen.

[zappaman]

55. no

[Wolf Frankula]

61. No

I would be helping to elect the Republican.

Wolf

[mike_c]

62. I wouldn't vote for HRC if she paid me....

No.

[NCTraveler]

68. Yes. nt.

[ismnotwasm]

70. Hell no

[Maedhros]

71. I won't vote for her regardless of which party she runs with...[n/t]

[gollygee]

72. I won't vote for any third party candidate - it's the Dem for me regardless of who it is

Might as well vote for the Republican. We have to win. The Supreme Court is too important.