Just checking in...

[MrScorpio]

How's Bernie looking against the Klown Kar riders these days? The only head-2-heads I've seen lately were Hillary vs the GOPers.

[MrScorpio]

2. OK...

Have you seen any Bernie vs GOPer polls yet?

It would be nice to see some numbers.

[Agschmid]

4. I haven't seen much.

Watch out you are about to be labeled a concern troll by some...

Totally logical I know.

[MrScorpio]

5. Well, if they want to try it, it would be nice for them to come at me

I'm sure that I can handle myself.

It would be nice, however, if some of us could ask simple questions without being labeled.

[1StrongBlackMan]

13. +1. n/t

[Evergreen Emerald]

24. Hi!

Good to see you.

[1StrongBlackMan]

25. Thanks ...

New Day ... Same Vigilance ... Different attitude.

[sheshe2]

44. Hey you~

[MoonRiver]

37. I've asked this question myself.

Answer I got was that Bernie doesn't have enough name recognition yet for those polls to take place.

[sufrommich]

12. And that's a ridiculous assumption.nt

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

3. I don't think most of the pollsters have been taking him seriously enough to bother to ask.

Now that he's getting ever closer to HRC, though, hopefully that will change and we WILL start seeing that added to the polling.

[MrScorpio]

7. Good point

I'm glad that someone else noticed the absence of cross party polling.

I think that they should get on the ball.

[winter is coming]

31. So do I. It made sense of a sort to only ask about Hillary when she was way out in front

but now that Bernie's getting close to her in a couple of early primary states, they should include him, at the least. They might as well ask about all the Dems running, because they could be the next ones to have their polling numbers jump from Nowheresville to "in the running".

[1StrongBlackMan]

20. No. I was polled a couple of weeks ago ...

(the first time in a long time) and they asked a series of questions including:

&quot paraphrasing) How likely are you to vote for Candidate Bernie Sanders in a General Election contest against {Republican candidate}."

I thought it was interesting because the poller asked about republicans that haven't announced, like gulliani and $i$ter $arah, the Alaskan grafter.

So I'm pretty sure the pollers are asking the question and have the answer, they just aren't releasing it ... or, more likely, the media is not releasing it.

I suspect doing so, would damage the media's horse race narrative.

[MrScorpio]

23. Excellent point. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I don't think any of us can dispute he has the most passionate supporters...

But if I am running for office I rather have one hundred dispassionate voters voting for me than twenty five passionate ones...

[virtualobserver]

26. they are probably getting too many "Bernie Who?" responses

The huge Republican field can make for a long interview as it is just polling Hillary vs each member of the Clown Car.

If people haven't even heard of Bernie, Bernie vs Clown Car polling might just try the patience of the people being polled.

Did they cover all of the Republican Candidates when you were polled?

[1StrongBlackMan]

27. Yes ...

and some that haven't declared.

And the four candidates on the Democratic side.

[virtualobserver]

29. That must have been fun

was it like a high speed interrogation or did it take a while?

[1StrongBlackMan]

30. It took about 1/2 hour ...

but they caught me at a good time ... and, I'm generally receptive to these folks, as I've done phone polling before.

[Spazito]

28. "I suspect doing so, would damage the media's horse race narrative."

Good point! Horse races bring viewers which brings ratings, ratings bring advertising dollars. It's all about the dollar and not about educating the public on the candidates in any substantive way.

Good to see you!

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. Thanks ...

I can see several ways releasing the results would kill the narrative ... none of them good for Bernie.

[Spazito]

33. I went through the CNN/ORC poll and not one question on Bernie vs the repubs...

yet CNN has been giving Bernie a lot of coverage. A perfect example of the 'horse race' mentality. Cover Bernie on their network but not in their poll outside of questions about Dem candidates. They don't even take the chance of asking the question in case they did have to release the results, imo.

[1StrongBlackMan]

40. Yep. n/t

[Comrade Grumpy]

39. I don't buy that the pollsters and "the media" are manipulating poll results.

When pollsters have their poll results ready, they release them.

"The media" then covers them or not. Or to be more accurate, different media outlets make different decisions about what they're going to cover and what they're going to emphasize.

And in this information age, there is no suppressing poll results. If CBS News won't post them, Salon will or Huffington Post or Joe Schmo on DU will.

I think pollsters didn't take the Sanders candidacy seriously until recently.

I'd like to see those numbers, too.

[boston bean]

41. News orgs pay for polls.

[1StrongBlackMan]

42. I did not say the pollsters and "the media" are manipulating poll results ...

I said the media are manipulating the release of those results.

"The media" then covers them or not. Or to be more accurate, different media outlets make different decisions about what they're going to cover and what they're going to emphasize.

Exactly.

And in this information age, there is no suppressing poll results. If CBS News won't post them, Salon will or Huffington Post or Joe Schmo on DU will.

Not necessarily true ... polling organizations are CONTRACTED to conduct the polling. They do do the polling and hope that someone will purchase it.

[onehandle]

8. His eventual endorsement of Hillary for President in 2016 will flatten their tires. nt

[onehandle]

15. There is no Obama.

At this time in 2007 Obama was within 10 points of Hillary in some polls.

Hillary and liberal organizations behind her have out raised Bernie 7 to 1.

Bernie is over 40 points behind.

[MrScorpio]

11. Well, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it...

At this point, I haven't picked any Dems for the primary yet.

But whomever is nominated, I'm backing. The general holds the biggest interest for me. I'm ALL about beating Republicans.

[FSogol]

14. "I'm ALL about beating Republicans. " Awsome. Me too. n/t

[freshwest]

48. What you guys say. And sorry if I aggravated you re: O'M. He's good stuff. Now Webb is getting in.

And Biden, too, supposedly. I just can't see that... He's run numerous times and not gotten the nomination. But if Obama goes on the stump for any of these folks... Game's over, IMO.

[FSogol]

49. I don't remember you saying anything about O'M. AAR, we both want a

democrat in the WH.

[onehandle]

16. Absolutely. nt

[Sheepshank]

10. I admit I haven't made an exhaustive search

Hoping his numbers start showing up to quench my own curiosity

[99Forever]

18. Polls?

Sorry MrScorpio, but polls only get sighted when they favor the views of those sighting them.

[MrScorpio]

19. That's a shame...

Because at this point, I'm only interested in seeing the overall picture.

Bernie fever is all over the place. So, by now the polling should show how he'd fare in the big show.

I really not as interested in the primaries as I am the general. Any one of ours beats all of theirs.

[99Forever]

21. I agree for the most part.

I honestly think from personal interactions, that Senator Sanders has a much broader appeal than anyone else running, from either party.

[1StrongBlackMan]

22. Hmmm. Interesting comment. Does it work the other way around, too ...

i.e., poll are NOT cited (unimportant) when they DON'T favor the views of those NOT citing them?

[DemocraticWing]

34. PPP has matched Scott Walker vs. the non-Hillary Democrats

Walker has the lead on all non-Hillary Democrats both nationally and in every state polled, although Bernie seems to be a bit closer. than Webb, O'Malley, and Chafee. In every case the problem is that the rest of the candidates aren't very well known, even among Democrats. Take the national level polling for instance: in a Clinton-Walker matchup, Hillary leads by 4 and takes 83% of voters who supported Obama in 2012. In a Sanders-Walker matchup, Sanders trails by 8 because he only takes 58% of voters who supported Obama in 2012. 37% of Obama voters don't know enough about Sanders to have an opinion on him, and 31% are not sure if they would vote for him against Scott Walker. My feeling is that once they learn who he was, most of those Democrats would fall in line.

With all that said, here's where we are right now:

Walker leads Sanders nationally 40-32:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/walker-bush-rubio-lead-gop-field-clinton-still-dominant.html#more

Walker leads Sanders in Ohio 40-30:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/kasich-leads-field-in-ohio.html

Walker leads Sanders in Michigan 39-35:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/trump-near-top-of-pack-in-michigan-clinton-leads-gop-field.html#more

Walker leads Sanders in Kentucky 42-29:
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/trump-on-the-rise-but-could-give-clinton-landslide.html

[MrScorpio]

35. Thanks for the find.

Gawd damn, that's some scary shit here in Michigan.

It's like the people here haven't paid any attention at all at what's going in next door in Wisconsin.

[Sheepshank]

38. I wonder how much greater Walker's name recognition is .....

.... Vs Bernie? Most people outside of WI are not tuned into their politics. Of the few that have any knowledge about walker, a large swath have a very unfavorable view of Walker. So it surprising that Bernie trails someone who is relatively unknown and so well disliked.

[Gothmog]

46. Those are weak poll numbers

[Rosa Luxemburg]

50. Wait a minute! That's very interesting!

I missed those polls. 40 to 32 nationally that is interesting.

[NCTraveler]

36. I don't think such a poll would provide much useful.

He is getting close enough that I would expect to see someone attempt to do one soon. It is one of those things that would hold no significance now. It would be more a snapshot in party polled and name recognition. I think right now, while it would be interesting to see, in order to come up with anything close there would be a moe of 20 points. A statistical failure.

[Gothmog]

45. Few outside Democratic base know Sanders yet

I doubt that Sanders would do well in such polling

[LWolf]

47. I haven't seen any polls.

But then, I'm not a big follower of polls. This was posted here; not polls, but...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=423455

[FarPoint]

51. I'm in Vermont at the moment.

Can't find Bernie anywhere?