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Little Star

(17,055 posts)
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:19 AM Jul 2015

Why Bernie Sanders’s Momentum Is Not Built to Last

Bernie Sanders is surging. He trailed Hillary Rodham Clinton by as much as 50 points in the polls a few months ago, but he has pulled within 10 points in New Hampshire, according to some surveys. He has doubled his support in Iowa over the last month. The signs of his support are palpable: Last week, about 10,000 people attended an event in Madison, Wis., and he announced that he raised $15 million in the first three months of his campaign.

But the Sanders surge is about to hit a wall: the rank and file of the Democratic primary electorate.

Mr. Sanders is now doing nearly as well as Barack Obama did among liberal voters in 2008. That makes him competitive in relatively liberal contests, like the Iowa caucuses or the New Hampshire primary.

But Mrs. Clinton still holds a huge lead among moderate and conservative Democrats — white and nonwhite alike. Whether Mr. Sanders can close the gap among these voters will determine the seriousness of his candidacy and whether he can pick up more delegates in other primaries. There aren’t many reasons to expect he will break through, and he certainly isn’t doing it yet.

If he doesn’t, he will lose by a wide margin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/09/upshot/why-bernie-sanderss-momentum-is-not-built-to-last.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1


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Why Bernie Sanders’s Momentum Is Not Built to Last (Original Post) Little Star Jul 2015 OP
Hillary Clinton and Inevitability: This Time Is Different... same author Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #1
maintaining the inevitability shield is hard work..... virtualobserver Jul 2015 #5
+1 kenfrequed Jul 2015 #6
I believe you have the Nates mixed up, one's last name is Silver, the other is Cohn./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #10
Nate Cohn wrote both articles n/t you are mixed up Ichingcarpenter Jul 2015 #14
My bad. You are correct./Mea culpa. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #15
Can Someone Here Define What A Liberal, Moderate And Conservative Democrat Is?...... global1 Jul 2015 #2
Conservative Democrats are Republicans who snuck in under the tent flap Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #8
His economic message LWolf Jul 2015 #19
What Is A Neoliberal Democrat?..... global1 Jul 2015 #20
Wow, the Grey Lady REALLY hates Bernie and how he is ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2015 #3
I must need more coffee. Wilms Jul 2015 #4
It only needs to last long enough to put him with more voters than the apparently Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #7
Could you please points me to the flaws in his analysis that invalidate his conclusions? DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #9
Or we could wait and see what actually happens. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #21
Guess we'll find out won't we? ibegurpard Jul 2015 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #13
My thinking is that HRC has pretty much peaked. Bernie just needs to catch up to her, which he will monmouth4 Jul 2015 #12
Mr. Obama. Mr. Sanders. Mrs. Clinton. MelungeonWoman Jul 2015 #16
By the century-old editorial policy of using Mr. or Mrs. and a last name? Recursion Jul 2015 #18
The truth is Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2015 #17

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
6. +1
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jul 2015

Or something.

But, yes. I completely agree! They are getting kind of desperate at trying to stop another non-Hillary candidate.

global1

(25,252 posts)
2. Can Someone Here Define What A Liberal, Moderate And Conservative Democrat Is?......
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:23 AM
Jul 2015

It seems to me that Bernie's main message is an 'economic message'. I believe his message appeals across all of these labels as well as appealing to Independents and a lot of Repugs.

Don't count Bernie out just yet.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
8. Conservative Democrats are Republicans who snuck in under the tent flap
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jul 2015

and slapped on a D while still holding onto all of their Republican ideas about how to keep most of us working to enrich the few.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
19. His economic message
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:10 PM
Jul 2015

isn't going to appeal to the hardcore neoliberal Democrats; it will appeal to the rest.

Some Democrats support neoliberal candidates, not because they agree with the message, but because they're afraid the rest can't "win."

The hard work ahead is to overcome that fear.

global1

(25,252 posts)
20. What Is A Neoliberal Democrat?.....
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jul 2015

What's in a label?

Define these terms; comparre and contrast:

1. Liberal Democrat
2. Moderate Democrat
3. Conservative Democrat
4. Neoliberal Democrat

Do all the American People make these distinctions or is this just an exercise for the analytical political pundits and junkies?


Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
7. It only needs to last long enough to put him with more voters than the apparently
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:37 AM
Jul 2015

untrusted-by-voters Clinton and whatever clown he'll then face in the general.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
9. Could you please points me to the flaws in his analysis that invalidate his conclusions?
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 10:39 AM
Jul 2015

Last edited Wed Jul 8, 2015, 11:15 AM - Edit history (1)

Thank you in advance.

Response to ibegurpard (Reply #11)

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,414 posts)
17. The truth is
Wed Jul 8, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jul 2015

nobody knows what is going to happen until the primary votes start coming in. High poll numbers, increasing poll numbers, and large crowds aren't a sure sign of anything at this point. Bernie's a nice guy and seems to have some appeal but he will have to be tested wider and farther to see whether or not he can clinch the nomination.

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