I like Hillary Clinton, I really do, BUT . . .

[Le Taz Hot]

well, OK, not really. But, apparently it's "I like <fill in the blank candidate> I really do, BUT . . . " week and I was feeling left out.

[rock]

1. Don't worry we knew you had absolutely nothing good to say about the Hill

[still_one]

2. and how are people supposed to respond to this OP?

[cherokeeprogressive]

3. Just rec it. It's an awesome post.

[840high]

42. I did.

[calimary]

46. I think I shall respectfully pass.

[BuelahWitch]

64. And give it a kickarooni

For the same reason!

[PoliticAverse]

5. Make your own "I like <something> but" post? n/t

[Lil Missy]

60. It's a copy cat thread. n/t

[CrispyQ]

4. Kick.

[ibegurpard]

6. I don't

But I'll vote for her if I have to.

[99Forever]

7. K&R

[Thinkingabout]

8. I like Hillary Clinton, I really do, BUT....

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she will still be the DNC nominee and withstand the GOP trashing against her she will be president.

[MJkcj]

34. yes, thankyou

[artislife]

9. I like Hillary Clinton, .....But

I'm afraid we will be asked by Bernie to cover her campaign expenses like President Obama asked his supports...that kind of makes me feel sad.

[lewebley3]

12. Bernie's some money is coming from the GOP:

It is sad that Bernie is damaging the Dem's chances.

[artislife]

19. Probably...like some money

came from the GOP to Obama's campaign. They don't take Bernie seriously. But everyone I knew who was at the Battle of Seattle back in the day have filtered out to issue campaigns. They are still involved but now inside the system. I believe they will mobilize for Bernie as well. In fact, my fb wall is flooded with Bernie. 6 mos ago, it was H, the Elizabeth.

We want something more. We don't want to vote out of a scarcity mentality.

We also are very focused on climate change, banksters and Monsanto. H doesn't do well in those areas , in our opinion. I truly wish she did. Really.

[BrotherIvan]

58. Prove it

[awoke_in_2003]

65. It is sad

that some think Clinton should be given the nomination without a primary.

[lewebley3]

66. Hillary had primary: That's why people are supporting her: People know her!

Most Dem's were impressed with Hillary's fighting spirit,
and then her loyalty to the Dem's.

[frylock]

71. Hillary had primary?

dafuq?

[calimary]

48. Well, wouldn't it be returning the favor? After all, he's happily accepted money from her before.

And she happily had his back. I would call it just being practical - a people-recognizing-they're-REALLY-on-the-same-side-together kind of thing.

Although I probably shouldn't mention that too often. Might cast him in an unsavory light, for some.

[artislife]

49. Which he are you talking about? nt

[calimary]

56. Welcome to DU, artislife!

Glad you're here! Senator Sanders. And he wasn't the only one. She contributed to a lot of people.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00363994&cycle=2006

I wonder if that's part of what's behind those "please donate! Your contributions will be double/triple matched!" messages. Anybody get those emails? I certainly do. It's not just her HILLPAC that does it, but also everybody else's. In both parties. They all help each other, for reasons both altruistic and strategic. It helps friends and builds alliances for the future. And not just candidates, either, but the issues, propositions, ballot initiatives, funding for NRDC campaigns, funding to help the Overturn Citizens United campaigns, Nancy Pelosi wants to help the DCCC, Emily's List wants to do thus and such, and more. I wouldn't be surprised if Bernie Sanders has helped a few friends as well.

[artislife]

57. Thank you for the welcome and info

I have to admit, I haven't looked at how individual donations are used. I just kind of thought when we donate to one candidate or one group such Emily's List it just went to them.


Good info to have.

[lewebley3]

10. The electon is about the counrty and all the American people: Not just you!

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The Bernie supporters want have personal relationship
with Bernie, they are not considering what is best the for all
Americans.

Bernie is just not competent enough to be President he is just
a nice man.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

13. LOL... I want to have a personal relationship with Bernie?

No, I just want a politician who won't allow greedy, Wall Street-beholden politicians -- Republicans AND centrist Democrats -- to fuck with Social Security and Medicare. Protecting the social safety net IS what's best for all Americans... tell me you don't understand that.

[lewebley3]

17. Bernie is greedy with the gun lobby, they pay his bills

Hillary, as well many Dem have voted to protect SS, it was started
under FDR.

Sanders position on SS Med is nothing special, but it is Hillary, that has been
brave enough all these years: to actually get in the fight for SS


Sanders sat in the senate until he was 73, to do anything

[WorseBeforeBetter]

23. He has an "F" rating with the NRA.

"They" must not be doing a very good job, considering that tiny townhouse he lives in on Capitol Hill. Tsk.

[rbnyc]

27. what are you talking about?

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Sanders is the Junior Senator of Vermont. You make it sound like he was born there and has been there for 73 years.

The gun lobby is not a big fan.

Your segment about social security and Medicaid is pretty much incoherent. But thanks for letting us know about FDR!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

30. The things you learn on DU...

Social Security was started under FDR!

[Stardust]

55. That's correct.

[frylock]

73. This is a fucking flat out lie..

back this bullshit assertion up. Do it. Post ANYTHING that shows that Sanders took money from gun manufacturers or the NRA.

[beam me up scottie]

77. They can't, don't expect an answer.

That person has been spreading untruths about Sanders for weeks.

I guess they can't defend their own candidate by discussing her merits so this is Plan B.

[winter is coming]

18. I can't remember seeing *any* Bernie supporters indicating a desire to have

a personal relationship with him. Interesting bit of projection going on there.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

20. Exactly. The first thing that came to mind was...

the BOG. If Hillary wins, the adoration threads will continue. But if Bernie wins? Hmm. Wonder who will fill the adoration gap, besides Obama post-Presidency.

[Buns_of_Fire]

63. I don't want a Personal Relationship with ANY politician.

Just to do what they're hired to do will be sufficient for me, thanks.

I don't want Christmas cards, I don't want a personally autographed 8x10 glossy of them, I don't want to be invited to "salons" (or in someone like bush's case, saloons), and I don't want to have their baby. I outgrew "Tiger Beat" about 50 years ago.

[lewebley3]

36. Hillary is not a centrist Dem, just ask the GOP: She is crazy liberal

[WorseBeforeBetter]

38. I don't need to ask the GOP anything.

Hillary has been in my life since the early '90s, and like most, I have a pretty good read on Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[lewebley3]

43. Hillary, has been out on the national stage since the 70's

You don't have a good read if you don't know her prior to the
90's.

She was offered a fantastic career when she left college, she
turned it down to go to a small poor state, she turned down
millions of dollars in order to work for the American people.

She was one of the to first to go to Texas to help register new Mexican immigrates
to vote.

Hillary, has never been greedy and her heart has always been in the right
place when it comes to the American people.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

45. No, not since the '70s. And I know all about her Goldwater days,

but that was way before my time. Wellesley and Yale. Rose Law Firm. First Lady of Arkansas. Walmart's Board of Directors. But I guarantee the vast majority of Americans never heard of her until 1992 when Bill was campaigning for Prez.

Bernie comes across as the same principled man he was back when leading the student sit-ins at the University of Chicago. Hillary has "evolved," and not in a good way.

[lewebley3]

47. Hillary, Wellesley, and etc makes her a brilliant choice; She's ready

We don't know Bernie principles , you are assuming a lot: he has
never been test on the national stage. HIs back ground has
never been examed, like the Clintons.

I just don't think he has any competency to be President, like FDR
said to be a good President mean being a good poker player.


Sanders have never been in a game, with all kinds of different players,
he lives in state with the population 600,000, 95% white.


He really has nothing do show for his principals, he sat in the Senate doing
nothing but talking for years.

We know Hillary will fight, we don't know if Sanders is any kind of fighter at all

[99Forever]

52. Wow.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

53. LOL Oh, there's no question Hillary will fight.

The question is, for whom? That's what worries me.

I became aware of Sanders over a decade ago. Where have you been? Iraq War, anyone? If his vote against that atrocity doesn't scream "principles" to you, I can't help you. Same with his opposition to the Patriot Act. Calling for Criminal Justice and Wall Street reform. Voting against the Defense of Marriage Act. Bernie's "principles" are out there -- study up.

Let them examine. He'll tell them to stuff it, like Roosevelt, who welcomed their hatred. Do you honestly believe that Sanders, the Democratic 'SOCIALIST', is some sort of shrinking violet? That's pretty funny.

[frylock]

75. We know Bernie's principles. You don't. Moreover, you have no desire to know it.

[frylock]

74. Well, if you can't trust the GOP's judgment....

[LWolf]

25. .

Please let me know if you are not fluent in English, and I'll cut you some slack.

Personal relationship? Where, pray, did you get that hysterical idea?

Not competent? Really? Really?

[MJkcj]

35. agreed

Bernie is a great guys and says a lot of great things but his accomplishments pale compared to Hillary. I just wish they (the Bernie supporters) weren't spreading GOP lies and propaganda about Hillary instead of promoting their candidate. Its so unnecessary. They can promote their candidate without the Hillary hate

[glinda]

59. I disagree about the accomplishment part. Geesch!

[lewebley3]

68. Agreed!

[daybranch]

37. just a nice man

willing to fight against the billionaires for the sake of our people. This is the most important battle of our generation and we should view it as the best investment we can make of our time and effort- the Lord knows, the rich are buying our opponents. We want a country where people are the first thing served- not just the rich and big business. If you want that, stick with Hillary. Oh let me see, she is not responsible for NAFTA, not responsible for war votes, just lots of feel good pandering with social issues. She has the economic agenda of her donors as did her husband and it does not serve our people well. I like Bernie because of his authentic and long held views in comparison of her focus group derived positions which are intended as written to skirt any possible harm to her donor class. I do not want a relationship with Bernie, I want a country that embraces and institutes what he believes in. But then I am just a low class riff raff who does not get the big picture. As for competency, President provide leadership and overall direction, I am sure Bernie can find many people competent enough to provide the implementation of policies he supports. So yes, I disagree with everything you said except that Bernie is a nice man. Go Bernie.

[lewebley3]

50. He Says: He is willing to fight now: Why now, What has he been doing?

Sorry, Hillary is ready, not Sanders to fight the GOP, Hillary"
the best choice

[glinda]

61. Maybe because he has been actively advocating and fighting for people for decades.

[lewebley3]

67. What do you mean Bernie was active and fighting!

He sat in the senate until he was 73 before he to took any action,
there other Dem's who actually put the lives and family
on the line to help the Dem's.

Bernie's been talker not a doer!

[glinda]

69. Ya...

Guess he hasn't accomplished much huh? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

[lewebley3]

70. No, sitting on his behind for years in Senate

[glinda]

79. I can't even respond to that since you

have not researched things he has been involved with.
Not into a fight on this.

[lewebley3]

80. Involved and getting things done are two different things

[glinda]

81. Meant as the same.

[frylock]

72. Same shit people said about Obama

[WorseBeforeBetter]

11. I like that Chelsea was a guest at the recent Hilton/Rothschild wedding.

I do, I really, really do. Bankers, heirs and heiresses, $75K gowns, and Bentleys, oh my! The Clintons -- all of them -- are out of touch.

[Maedhros]

14. I liked Hillary Clinton about ten years ago.

Then I learned about her policies, and stopped liking her.

[SoapBox]

26. Ditto.

Maybe even further back.

[hrmjustin]

15. Yes it is clear you don't like her.

[Puglover]

16. THANK YOU.

Someone had too.

You gotta love the loud woosh in this thread.

[Le Taz Hot]

21. Jaw dropping, isn't it?

LOL!

[BooScout]

22. What an original title.....

I liked mine better.

[Le Taz Hot]

24. You do realize

your "I like . . . BUT . . ." was like the 428th of those, right? I don't know that I would be chiding someone about originality.

[artislife]

31. Heh! nt

[BooScout]

32. Do you have links for those?

[MelungeonWoman]

54. I'm not the person you asked

But since I had this handy...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026584770

You are welcome.

[JaneyVee]

41. 428? Surely you can link to at least 10 then, right?

Thanks in advance.

[CTBlueboy]

28. I like Hillary Clinton I really do

,but how can I trust someone who says upon leaving the White House her and Bill were "dead broke"

(tone deaf anyone)

while Americans get up early in the morning bust their tails off just to look at their bank accounts with a few pennies in it

[JaneyVee]

40. Oh please, Bernie ain't middle class either.

[CTBlueboy]

44. Did I say Sen. Sanders is middle class ?

Is Sen. Sanders getting $200,000 for speaking gigs ?

another thing what is the theme she when she goes to KKR and Goldman Sachs ?

Tax reform
loopholes

[karynnj]

51. uhm, yes he is

And he lives in a middle class neighborhood in Burlington.

[azmom]

78. LOL. Bernie is middle class.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

29. What an interesting way to prove you have no logical arguments...

...and that all your objections of the leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination are based on pure unreasoning hatred.

Specifically,

* You reference no facts or polling data
* You make no logical arguments
* You are clearly stating that you cannot abide someone who doesn't agree with you 110%, since it's nearly certain that you and Ms. Clinton agree on at least 70% of issues

There are supporters of Senator Sanders that try address these sorts of things, and have civil discussions over party direction and party strategy. It is fascinating that you (and all those who upvoted you) have declared that you're not susceptible to any form of discussion or reason on this topic.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[CTBlueboy]

33. I like Hillary Clinton I really do

,but getting paid north to $200,000 each from Goldman Sachs ,KKR, Caryle group makes me wonder if she's more on Wall st side than the Average Americans.

[Autumn]

62. I like Hillary Clinton, I really do, honestly BUT . . .

i don't want her in the White House.

[daleanime]

76. Come on....

you know we'd never leave you out.