Teachers sign petition to withdraw AFT endorsement.

[HooptieWagon]

Over 2500 signatures in less than 24 hours. That's a lot of teachers (more than double the AFT "poll&quot who are opposed to Clinton and her lapdog Weingartner.
https://www.change.org/p/american-federation-of-teachers-withdraw-your-endorsement-of-hillary-clinton-for-the-democratic-presidential-nomination?recruiter=337451827&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

[olddots]

1. wait another 24 hours and the numbers will soar

teachers are pretty smart for the most part .

[HooptieWagon]

13. And the word is just getting out.

At the very least, it calls attention to AFT president sitting on board of Hillarys Super PAC, which further emphasizes Hillary can't be trusted. At best, it recalls AFT leadership, and removes the union from the control of corporatist infilltraitors (misspelling intentional).

[Rosa Luxemburg]

33. I am a member and I didn't get to vote

at least they may have contacted all the members

[Thinkingabout]

2. Only 797,505 more signatures to get to 50%.

[freshwest]

17. Impressive math skills you have there, grasshopper! LOL! n/t

[Thinkingabout]

19. Just making a point, huh.

[freshwest]

21. A pertinent one, at that. :) All the teachers I know are very much for HRC. Anecdotal, yes... n/t

[HooptieWagon]

20. They probably learned them from a teacher...

...not a board member of a Super PAC.

[freshwest]

23. Those are Thinkingabout's numbers, not anyone else's. n/t

[Thinkingabout]

26. Actually I was taught math skills by a teacher, very smart teachers I might add.

[Scootaloo]

34. Still twice the number of members actually polled to make the decision

[Thinkingabout]

37. Let's see, it really takes 2/3 to override a veto then my numbers are off, it will take more

Signatures. It would probably be determined by the By Laws of the union. I am sure a member of the AFT knows what I is in the By Laws.

[Scootaloo]

40. sure. Point is there are more people singning this than were poll by the union to reach its decision

[Thinkingabout]

47. I doubt the number will get the decision changed. The decision was made after the candidates also

Met with the candidates so it was not based on the poll numbers. Just like the polls we read here and other places does not contact all eligible voters, it is exactly what it says , a poll.

[Ken Burch]

56. "after the candidates also met with the candidates"?

[JaneyVee]

3. Just a tip regarding the primaries:

Trying to turn everyone who supports Hillary into the "enemy" is absolutely NOT a winning strategy. For the most part, nearly every Hillary supporter would vote for Bernie if he wins nomination, but not if you keep pissing off her supporters. If people can't lift up their candidate without tearing others down, they will not have solidarity. And solidarity is the only way to win elections.

[bigtree]

7. where's your proof of that?

...lots of claims but no evidence presented to back them up.

[bigtree]

11. ffs

...that's just more DU blather.

What an embarrassment to even engage in this.

[Agschmid]

24. Yup.

[historylovr]

35. Try this link.

http://www.aft.org/election2016

Fifth paragraph down it says "Since February..."

It does seem odd that teachers are coming out and saying, "Hold on, I wasn't polled." Maybe all of these people were just missed in the survey. Who knows?

[Scootaloo]

41. Seems to be your response to anything you don't like

[LWolf]

42. I believe it comes from the AFT site itself:

Since February, we've engaged members and leaders in the most extensive outreach we've ever done leading up to a primary endorsement.

- See more at: http://www.aft.org/election2016#sthash.Jvnmjio3.dpuf

And, apparently, the AFT knew it was premature, and so tried to get ahead of that by offering up a rationalization for being premature:

RESOLVED, that it is premature to endorse a candidate for president of the United States, but because the 2016 presidential election process already has commenced, the American Federation of Teachers has a responsibility to begin a listening process with AFT members to learn about the issues that are important to them for the presidential election, and will seek to broaden the ways to do so -

See more at: http://www.aft.org/resolution/aft-2016-presidential-endorsement#sthash.4R5up8pA.dpuf

[Agschmid]

57. ... And they are gone.

Happens fast around here.

[Thinkingabout]

27. Your link shows it was in June.

[JaneyVee]

30. Where was the outrage using the same method in previous years?

[arcane1]

14. DUers would refuse to vote for the Dem nominee just because some other DUers annoyed them?

That seems like a fucked-up reason to refuse to vote

[JaneyVee]

22. Not just DUers.

[arcane1]

25. Then they are idiots. I'm glad I'm not one of them n/t

[JaneyVee]

28. Yup.

[Agschmid]

58. Yup.

[guillaumeb]

53. You might have to repeat that statement about 100,000 more times

by the end of the year. It is absolutely amazing the number of posts on DU that include the sentence "If (any candidate name here) receives the nomination I will sit this election out".

My perfect candidate will never run because there is no perfect candidate. Any time I vote I consider the alternatives. A vote for Ralph Nader in Florida was a vote for John Roberts as Chief Justice and a vote for the Iraq war.

Lift up one's candidate without tearing others down? What an interesting concept.

[cui bono]

55. Anyone who doesn't vote because of some anonymous internet person is an idiot to begin with.

And if that were not true, and people really did refrain from voting because someone's supporters were mean and nasty, there would be a whole hell of a lot of people on DU who would absolutely not vote for HRC if she were to become the nominee. The HRC group is downright nasty, even going so far as to call Bernie a "flaming turd" and having it cheered on and the alerters of it mocked. I'm so damn sick of the DU meme that Bernie supporters are such big meanies when the HRC camp is so much worse.

[HooptieWagon]

4. A whole lot of pissed off teachers on reddit.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/3cyhzk/aft_endorsed_hillary_almost_every_member_in_their/

[Metric System]

10. They're pissed off on a Sanders for President sub-reddit? Shocking!

[bigtree]

5. where's the proof that they're all teachers?

...or, more importantly, members of that union?

[HooptieWagon]

8. Where's proof AFTs poll of 1057 was all teachers?

It could have been Hillarys Super PAC donor list for all we know.

[bigtree]

12. don't divert from the question

...who is voting in that petition?

You can't back up your op's title claiming 'teachers' are petitioning.

[HooptieWagon]

16. Where's the missing 999,000 poll responses?

[bigtree]

18. this is an ignorant game you're playing

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...and it reflects badly on your candidate here.

[HooptieWagon]

29. "My" candidate...

...isn't a puppet of corporate interests. Flail about all you want, you can't claim that.

[JaneyVee]

31. See post 3.

[bigtree]

44. Martin O'Malley's top donors

OpenSecrets.org and FollowTheMoney.org classify contribution data into about 100 industries.

Real Estate $1,624,303
Lawyers/Law Firms $1,007,988
Securities & Investment $391,596
Business Services $390,912
General Contractors $345,526
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $298,950
Building Trade Unions $293,855
Construction Services $266,940
Health Professionals $261,186
Public Sector Unions $209,940

Individuals($14.1M)
PACs($8.3M)
Unknown($88.6K)

Top Contributors

Includes contributions from an organization’s employees, their family members and its political action committee.

BlankCarpenters & Joiners Union- $52,500
American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees Union -$49,700
Peter D Hart Research Assoc- $49,000
International Assn of Fire Fighters- $42,800
Service Employees International Union- $40,589
United Food & Commercial Workers Union- $40,250
Media Strategies & Research- $30,950
David S Brown Enterprises- $30,500
National Education Assn- $29,600

http://data.influenceexplorer.com/contributions/#cmVjaXBpZW50X2Z0PU1hcnRpbiBPJ01hbGxleSZnZW5lcmFsX3RyYW5zYWN0aW9uX3R5cGU9c3RhbmRhcmQ=

[HooptieWagon]

48. ...

http://reverbpress.com/politics/aft-endorsement-clinton-shows-lack-democratic-process/

[madokie]

15. I've got 6 teachers in my family

from college level to special needs children and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they haven't already they will sign this as soon as they learn of it.

We're an old family and we're a big family, tight as they come too.

[Thinkingabout]

50. Do they belong to the AFT?

[madokie]

51. I'm afraid I don't have a clue if they do

Mybad if they don't for implying that they might. sorry

[Thinkingabout]

52. If the petition was very strong then the union would have to verify membership to validate the

Petition.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

32. Well, that is self-selection.

But this is the modern world. If they'd really wanted to truly find out what their members wanted, they could have done an email blast with a set of links, one for each candidate, and recorded the first one chosen for each member. They could have quickly and easily polled all 1.6 million members, giving them a week or two to respond.

[lsufan59]

36. HooptieWagon

Yep a lot of people feeling the Bern.

[wyldwolf]

38. you know they're teachers how?

[madfloridian]

39. There's another pretty large petition going, but I lost the link.

It was also at change.org.

[BooScout]

43. anyone can sign that petition

Being a teacher is not a requirement to sign it. Doesn't seem quite right to me. Seems more like sour grapes by people other than teachers.

[London Lover Man]

45. Saw a link that is relevant..

http://reverbpress.com/politics/aft-endorsement-clinton-shows-lack-democratic-process/

[HooptieWagon]

46. Nice find...thanks!

[BklnDem75]

49. Curious...

What stops the GOP and their supporters from signing that petition?

[aspirant]

54. I smell a Scandal brewing

[Agschmid]

59. No that's just burnt coffee.