Jimmy Carter calls Hillary the "inevitable" 2016 Democratic nominee

[99th_Monkey]

For the record, it's important to note what Jimmy Carter actually stated as his reason is for
believing Hillary is "inevitable"

ABC News link to interview: http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/jimmy-carter-hillary-inevitably-2016-nominee-32398299 Carter's remarks are at 1:33 into the video

FYI What Jimmy said, when asked about why he thinks Hillary is a shoo-in given
Bernie Sanders' amazing crowds, was that it's because of the "massive" amount of money
she has amassed, "because money dominates and she's got an inside track" on locking
down most of that money.

Carter did not endorse Hillary, but merely pointed out that the DC/Wall St. Money-Machine
is probably going to have it's way with the US electorate, again, because of money, money, and did I
mention money?

[Agschmid]

1. You've mentioned it several times...

People still get to vote the way they want to, and this type of post doesn't win them over.

[99th_Monkey]

7. I don't want Carter's statement to be construed or broadcast as an "endorsement" by Carter.

I think it's fair to point out Jimmy's reasons for saying what he said.

FYI - my previous post was locked as 'off-topic' due to a link in it to
a Hillary Room OP, so this OP is not really a duplication per se.

[Agschmid]

21. AFAIK no one said it was an endorsement.

But ok.

[snagglepuss]

39. Thanks for posting. I was dismayed when I saw the comment about

her inevitability. An important clarification.

[still_one]

104. I think that when President Carter thought deregulation of the airline industry was best, and

glossing over TMI, he also is infalliable

[99th_Monkey]

106. I was disappointed the interviewer guy didn't ask Jimmy about Obama

since Bernie is also refusing Wall St. money and opting for grassroots
donors mainly (as did Obama I think) and now Bernie is surging ahead
of where Obama was in 2008, to the point of having Team Hillary "worried" ..

Did Jimmy think Hillary was going to win in 2008 too, at this point in the
primary season?

[Agschmid]

110. Obama did made no such commitment about financing...

Bernie is truly doing this a bit differently, we all owe him some respect for this.

[99th_Monkey]

112. Obama started out refusing lobbyist money, but then in home stretch changed his tune

Obama Campaign Refuses Federal Lobbyist Cash, but Loopholes Persist
http://www.ibtimes.com/obama-campaign-refuses-federal-lobbyist-cash-loopholes-persist-402668

In a shift, Obama rejects public funding
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/20/in_a_shift_obama_rejects_public_funding/?page=full

FYI - I didn't intend to gloss over how he changed his tune, and began taking Wall St. money
later in campaign. My point was he started out doing the grassroots fund-raising and saying
he wouldn't take big bank donations.

[SusanCalvin]

2. Exactly. Because money.

He did not endorse her in any way, shape, or form.

[The Wielding Truth]

63. This is the what he was saying! It's money that is destroying our democracy!

[99th_Monkey]

107. An ironically back-handed "endorsement" if ever their was one. -nt-

[MoonRiver]

3. Polls show Hillary way ahead of Bernie. That's not money. It's popularity.

Unless you think somebody is paying off the poll responders.

[NRaleighLiberal]

5. Money brings exposure, ad time, you name it. Money is a huge part of it.

[MoonRiver]

6. Bernie has been on the media much more than Hillary.

She's had ONE media interview. Bernie is all over the news programs, including one today. People like Hillary more. It's that simple.

[NRaleighLiberal]

18. well, my daughters, my wife, lots of my friends feel differently.

We are fine with Hillary, but we far, far prefer Bernie. All of us.

[elleng]

27. Ditto

[PoliticAverse]

22. Sorry to inject reality, but Sanders is a relative unknown and Hillary was:

First Lady of the US for 8 years.
A senator from the State of New York.
A front runner (for a while) for the 2008 Democratic nomination for President.
US Secretary of State for 4+ years.

She's had a tad bit more exposure than Sanders.

[thesquanderer]

47. Right. I found out last week that my sister had never heard of Sanders.

The public at large is not as tuned in as people on political forums. It doesn't matter that Sanders has been on Face the Nation or whatever. The percentage of the population who watches those shows these days is relatively small.

There is virtually no one in the U.S. alive in the 90s who hasn't heard of Hillary Clinton. She has been a major national figure for over 20 years. Basically nobody outside of Vermont has heard of Sanders until two months ago at best, except for those of us who really follow politics.

[daleanime]

52. And solidly in the pocket of Wall Street...

that's got to count for something, right?

[elleng]

28. I don't think people like Hillary more;

my 30 year old daughter + her husband aren't supporting her; they are publicly supporting Bernie.

[brooklynite]

93. "Money brings exposure, ad time, you name it"

Ah, so you're saying Hillary's support is going to RISE from the 60% it's been at for the past year?

[YOHABLO]

8. It shows that people are gullible.

[MoonRiver]

10. What an insulting thing to say about Democrats.

[NRaleighLiberal]

19. It isn't just Democrats - people will react to exposure and ads and publicity.

It is hard wired into us. It is a reason we turned off the TV 7 years ago.

[rpannier]

66. Disagree

She's been around for 20+ years in the national spotlight
People know a lot about her
I agree with people who say she's polarizing
But the positive side of her pole is greater than her negative
More people like her than don't

[99th_Monkey]

11. Well, Hillary HAS been running for President for almost 8 years now

Bernie's been running for what now? .. 4 months?

[MoonRiver]

14. He's really making up for lost time though.

The candidates will win or lose on their merits. Bernie will have plenty of media exposure to build his support. I still want to see match-up polls with him and the Repubs.

[tularetom]

31. That's a disingenuous statement

It's not popularity, its name recognition based on 25 years of cable and network news repetition of the Clinton name.

[SusanCalvin]

37. No, it's name recognition. nt

[rhett o rick]

97. Why do you think big money donates? Because they know that the money buys exposure.

The billionaires donate because they consider it an investment that they expect to get paid back many times over.

Sen Sander's doesn't sell out to big money, he is truly the people's candidate.

[OKNancy]

4. Sorry I had to lock your other thread... however

Although he didn't outright endorse her in the This Week interview, he said this last week.

"I don’t think there’s much doubt that Hillary is gonna get the nomination and when she does, I’ll be eager to support her."
--Former President Jimmy Carter on Hillary Clinton

http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/president-jimmy-carter-plays-hardball-479665219983?cid=sm_fb_msnbc

ETA: if you missed this Hardball, it's a great interview. Well worth it, but the funniest thing is the very last 15 seconds.

[99th_Monkey]

9. No problem. Rules are rules, and I appreciate that.

I'll bet my booties that when/if Sanders wins the Primary, Jimmy will also be happy
to endorse him as well.

[OKNancy]

13. sure he will

but of course he doesn't think that will happen.

Peace

[99th_Monkey]

20. Yes, that's what he said alright.

I love Jimmy, and think he was one of the best Presidents ever, but I still
believe he's wrong on this one.

Thank you for your amicable way of conducting yourself on DU. It's much
appreciated.

[SusanCalvin]

16. I'll be eager to support her as well,

If and when. Beats the alternative.

[thesquanderer]

45. Of course. Carter will eagerly support whoever the Dem nominee is. (n/t)

[hrmjustin]

12. Because she is well liked in the party.

[99th_Monkey]

15. That's what YOU say, not what Carter said. -nt-

[hrmjustin]

17. My opinion but it is true.

[SusanCalvin]

50. Define "the party."

People in high places? People with mass quantities of money?

[hrmjustin]

51. The people of our party.

[SusanCalvin]

56. Which people? nt

[hrmjustin]

57. The average Democrat on the street.

[SusanCalvin]

61. Ah.

Then I think that's mostly name recognition. YMMV.

[hrmjustin]

67. Sorry but that meme is tired. People know her and like her.

[SusanCalvin]

69. Okey dokey. nt

[truebrit71]

74. I have yet to meet anyone that is excited about her candidacy...

... so tired of being told that she's inevitable...I thought that's why they hold primaries....

Plenty of people know her, not so many that like her in my experience.

[hrmjustin]

75. I am not saying she is inevitable.

I have yet to meet someone excited for Sanders.

[truebrit71]

78. Everyone I know is excited about Bernie...

None about Hillary. She turned many liberals off with her dog-whistle attacks on Obama in 2008 and have yet to forgive her for them.

[hrmjustin]

82. Well i know plenty of Liberals here in NYC and haven't met one overjoyed for Sanders yet.

I am sure they are there.

I do know some who are supporting him but none have said they are overjoyed about it.

[truebrit71]

87. The interesting thing is that the republicans I know quite like Bernie...

... taking his message to the people without the need for focus groups...

[hrmjustin]

88. The republicans i know want us to nominate him.

[truebrit71]

89. I hope we do. Nothing would motivate their base more than nominating another Clinton...

They are praying for a chance to have another shot at a Clinton.

It'll be 24/7 benghazi/email/lewinsky....

[hrmjustin]

90. So you say.

[truebrit71]

92. Correct. That is what I said.

...

[redstateblues]

96. That's like the woman who said I can't believe Nixon won

Everyone I know voted for Mc Govern

[SusanCalvin]

80. Say hi to me,

If you count virtual.

[hrmjustin]

83. I mean irl but you certainly count.

[SusanCalvin]

86. As do you.

[840high]

99. Like me - I don't like her anymore.

[hrmjustin]

100. But that is not the majority view among Democrats.

[840high]

102. Very true. There are more and more like me - so

who knows what will be. You're always very polite and I appreciate you.

[hrmjustin]

103. I appreciate you as well.

Btw i have my impolite streak but never for you!

[rhett o rick]

98. Yes the billionaires like her and are expected to donate between one and two billion dollars

to insure she gets in the WH. They see it as an investment and expect to see a big return for their money.

Two sides to this race, the billionaires vs. the people. The 1% vs. the 99%. The progressives vs. the conservatives.

[wyldwolf]

23. under the bus ya go, Jimmy boy!

[99th_Monkey]

24. Not at all. I totally love Jimmy Carter, always have.

One of the best POTUS's ever.

FYI: I can disagree with someone, and still respect them and love them ..

No under-bus for you Jimmy!

[SusanCalvin]

25. Huh?

From which side? Hillary supporters get to say he called her "inevitable," or whatever it was. Bernie supporters get to point out that his stated reason was "because money."

[DCBob]

26. Jimmy is right of course. Given the current circumstances there really is no Dem candidate...

capable of beating her. But that doesn't mean they should give up. There will be some benefits to the debates and discussion of issues between all the candidates.

[99th_Monkey]

32. That's what they said about Obama too you know.

Hillary's got 45 Million, Bernie's got one-third of that already.

Hillary's been running for POTUS for nearly 8 years, Bernie barely
3-4 months.

Time will tell.

[mother earth]

29. Money is the new "democracy"....though I do believe there's another name for that, oligarchy.

Yes, Hillary is the inevitable for continued oligarchy, just ask her big monied donors.

[SusanCalvin]

73. I really think that's what Jimmy was saying.

Usually I'd rather read a transcript than see a video, but there was none available. So I saw his face.

[elleng]

30. Headline really should be clarified;

standing alone it's quite misleading.

[99th_Monkey]

33. How would you change it, pray tell.

Me thinks you are nit-picking in the extreme.

[elleng]

38. I'M nit picking IN THE EXTREME when your own first paragraph states the facts clearly???

'What Jimmy said, when asked about why he thinks Hillary is a shoo-in given
Bernie Sanders' amazing crowds, was that it's because of the "massive" amount of money
she has amassed, "because money dominates and she's got an inside track" on locking
down most of that money.

Carter did not endorse Hillary, but merely pointed out that the DC/Wall St. Money-Machine
is probably going to have it's way with the US electorate, again, because of money, money, and did I
mention money?'

Try something like this: 'Because money dominates, Jimmy Carter acknowledged Hillary's got an inside track on accumulating it.'

Not as sexy as a headline that calls Hillary inevitable, probably wouldn't get you 35+ responses, but FACTUAL.

[99th_Monkey]

41. OK I see where you're coming from.

I really do try to not be inflammatory, esp with headers.

I do sympathize with your not wanting to give any more credence to the
"Hillary is inevitable" meme. In this case tho, I'll let it stand.

That said, I'd also like to say GO BERNIE GO!!!

[Raine1967]

70. Stop being sensible, my dear ellen.

The thing is, and this is a reality (thanks Citizens United) Money is a huge factor. It is huge.

[elleng]

76. I CAN'T, Raine;

part of my DNA, I think. and yes, it IS a reality, no doubt at all off that.

[Raine1967]

91. Sister, you have good DNA!

I wish I could disagree with Carter — There is a reality that Clinton (along with CU) does have a lot of money, but his comment about Clinton was almost NOTHING compared to the interview as a whole.

Carter spoke as a political person on the outside looking in. A lot of Clinton supporters are saying the same thing and there is nothing wrong with that. (as long as we can get CU gone and tossed into the dust bin of history)

HE was asked about Clinton and he — as a perfect politician, gave a politically fine answer.

This should not be controversial. **shrugs**

Signed,

trucking along as an O'MAlley supporter,
Raine

[SusanCalvin]

35. He did (say exactly that, I mean).

And the body of the post says why.

[elleng]

40. He said it in the body,

which is where I got the language from, but NOT in the OP, which is, imo, quite important, impressions being what they are.

[SusanCalvin]

43. I see your point. He sure didn't endorse her. nt

[elleng]

46. Exactly.

THANKS.

[Bagsgroove]

34. Curious thing for Jimmy to say

At this point in 1976, with big name candidates like Birch Bayh, Lloyd Bentsen, Frank Church and Scoop Jackson all competing for the Democratic nomination, just about everybody thought that it was "inevitable" that one of them would win instead of the little-known Governor of Georgia.

I guess I think Jimmy is right about Clinton, but he should know as well as anybody that sometimes inevitable candidates do lose.

[SusanCalvin]

36. Maybe he is playing 11-dimensional chess. ;->

He sure didn't say his stated reason was a good reason.

[99th_Monkey]

44. Bernie won't be the first one to overcome an inevitability meme

Jimmy Carter endorses Barack Obama, circa 2008
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/03/carter-to-officially-endorse-obama/

And yes, he should know better to say that this time around.

[SusanCalvin]

48. I'm not sure my 11-dimensional analysis isn't the correct one.

Trouble is, I don't know how many people will get it.

[99th_Monkey]

53. I'm not sure about that either

I recall that being said about Obama .. or did Obama say that about himself?

Sorry, I don't recall the details of it.

[SusanCalvin]

58. What I mean is

I think he may have intended to make a point about money.

[99th_Monkey]

62. That was my take too

not an endorsement. If Jimmy wanted to endorse Hillary that was
a weird way to do it, pointing out the Wall St. money thing.

Thank you for clarifying for me.

[SusanCalvin]

68. Thank you

For putting up with my roundabout way of getting to the point.

[bigtree]

49. under the bus with him!

[SusanCalvin]

54. Huh?

For body, please see #25.

[99th_Monkey]

55. Someone beat you to it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=440855

[rpannier]

71. Agreed! The man is an apostate

Obviously suffering from dementia, senility and the heartbreak of psoriasis
The man is clearly a Republican in disguise

I could go on, by why bother



And a to you Bigtree
Have you made it out to any O' Malley events yet?
I've seen a lot of your posts in the group
Was wondering if you have gotten to see him yet or gotten together with other supporters

[Rosa Luxemburg]

59. He did say the other day

that Hillary wasn't proven

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jimmy-carter-hillary-not-as-proven-as-bill/ar-AAcEUEV

[SoapBox]

60. I respect President Carter but disagree...

She may have money...money, Money, MONEY!

But as the message that Bernie has spreads...and it IS spreading like wild fire...the actual voters are not gonna give a rat's ass about all that money, Money, MONEY.

2015/2016 is going to be like no other election ever, because of communication via social media. If the impotent, crooked and bought off MSM won't talk about him, then we will spread the Bern via other methods including good old fashioned foot work and face to face conversations across America.

Try to rope that off.

Go Bernie!

[99th_Monkey]

64. +1000 nt

[silenttigersong]

65. Wow

I thought President Carter was a perioh for his book on Palestine,yet it seems Hillary has some real issues with BDS.

[bluedigger]

72. The best ex-President of my lifetime, but not infallible.

Let's just play out the hand.

[SusanCalvin]

77. He didn't endorse her.

He said she was inevitable because money. I find it difficult to believe he really believes that. Hence my 11-dimensional chess remarks.

[bluedigger]

79. Never said he did.

Is this the right place for an argument?

[SusanCalvin]

85. Why, yes, it is. (The place for an argument.)

According to the dictionary and the purpose of this site as I understand it.

http://i.word.com/idictionary/argument

"a discussion in which people express different opinions about something"

[bluedigger]

95. What a stupid concept.

[lovemydog]

109. A three-post set up for a DUZY.

Impressive!

[Depaysement]

81. Valuable post

Carter is probably right but still . . .

The chattering classes may have underestimated the growing economic divide in this country.

[99th_Monkey]

84. Thank you. nt

[Doctor_J]

94. The party has lost its collective soul. she is inevitable because we're not much different from

the republicans. Her campaign is a joke of lies, platitudes, reversals, and pandering, while she collects millions from the people who took the country down eight years ago. She has mainstream republican policies on the economy, fracking, offshore drilling, TPP, bank regulations, schools, healthcare, the Pentagon, and Israel. The simple fact that ANYONE is supporting her is indicative of the fact that we as a country have no hope short of a revolution.

[840high]

101. True.

[99th_Monkey]

105. +10 Well said Doc. -nt-

[kath]

108. All too true, Doc.

the Repub infiltrators have very seriously damaged the Party.

[Gothmog]

111. Jimmy Carter is a great man