You can commission a poll for $20,000.00 or so

[DemocratSinceBirth]

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If Senator Sanders and his supporters believe the American Federation Of Teachers fabricated polling results to endorse Hillary Clinton he and they should commission a poll of their own.

That seems like a reasonable course of action.


on edit-I had my associations mixed up

[enlightenment]

1. It was the AFT that commissioned the poll.

Maybe the OP should get their facts straight before they post flamebait.

http://www.aft.org/resolution/endorsement-hillary-clinton

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. What part of

What part of "If Senator Sanders and his supporters believe the American Federation Of Teachers fabricated polling results to endorse Hillary Clinton he and they should commission a poll of their own." don't you understand?


I never most flame bait because I am a diligent, conscientious, and perspicacious poster.


on edit-please see seminal post

[enlightenment]

17. The part where you seem to be insisting that the NEA

commissioned the poll:

. . . the National Education Association . . .

Oh wait - you changed your post while I was typing. Thank you.

As for flame bait? Of course it is - just as much as any OP that starts with "If Hillary Clinton supporters believe . . ." and follows it up with a just this side of polite slam at their perspective and opinion. There are no angels in this DU primary spat.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. I ignored those threads because they were silly...

There is a point to be made here and it's an important one...

If they and him believe the AFT fabricated poll results in making their endorsement which is likely civilly and criminally actionable he and they need to bring it to the fore. A good way would be commissioning a poll himself.

[enlightenment]

19. It's not up to Sanders' or his supporters.

It is up to the members of the AFT - many of whom (based on the various blogs, tweets, and articles I've seen popping up) are extremely irate.

If there are Sanders' supporters in the AFT who pursue this, they will most likely be doing so along with others who feel that their union should not be endorsing anyone this early in the contest (or at all - I've seen a number of different perspectives on this).

It's just not a Sanders vs Clinton battle.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. According to the poll 33% of the respondents opposed an endorsement of HRC

That's about 550,000 people. 550,000 people can make a lot of noise.


EMILY's List endorsed Secretary Clinton on April 15. Did they act prematurely and in violation of the will of their members?

[London Lover Man]

24. EMILY's list's endorsement is WAY too early

Bernie will blow away Clinton during the debates, in a very gentlemanly way, leaving Clinton speechless and no advisors or focus group would ever overcome the authenticity that is Bernie.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. Welcome back./nt

[enlightenment]

31. True - that's a lot of people.

And if they want to make a lot of noise, they will - some are making noise already, if the comments I've seen outside this forum are correct (and since they are largely teachers who belong to the AFT, I will assume they are).

As far as Emily's List? I don't know; do you? Did they act in violation of the will of their members?

My personal position on it is this: I do not believe that organizations - particularly labor organizations that may or may not require membership - should endorse any political candidate unless they have the support of 100% of their membership.

[aspirant]

22. "silly"

Didn't you define that as not being polite and kind on another thread?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. If i told a person they were silly or did something silly which is a passive aggressive way

If i told a person directly they were silly or did something silly which is a passive aggressive way of calling them silly I would be guilty of the calumny you are accusing me of but I didn't.

[aspirant]

34. So when somebody calls some words silliness, it's not directly to you either

[DemocratSinceBirth]

36. Unless it is about the words I used which , respectfully, was my point in the first place.

Saying Donald Trump's comb over looks silly to a stranger is different than if I told Mr. Trump his comb over looks silly.

[aspirant]

21. Did you forget again your please and kindness posts?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

23. If I asked someone if he or she knows the way to San Jose am I betraying a lack of kindness?

[aspirant]

32. Directions has nothing to do with Post #2

just your snarky, unkind words

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. I asked my interlocutor...

I asked my interlocutor if I said something he or she misunderstood so I could explain it to him or her.

[BooScout]

3. Seems like a good idea to me.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. That's why they use exit polls to confirm the actual votes when there are suggestions of fraud.

It's a practical solution.

[hrmjustin]

5. Great point!

[shenmue]

6. Yep

[99Forever]

7. If I had $20K...

... I wouldn't be driving a 1990 Honda Civic back and forth to work.

Good fucking grief, could you be any more tone deaf?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Bernie Sanders has raised 15 million...He can commission a poll...

I don't even own a car nor have a check book...The last time I filed income taxes was 2009.

[99Forever]

9. Bernie Sanders isn't posting here.

Why should he commission a poll? We the People aren't nearly as stupid and gullible as Hillary thinks. We see what goes on. We know how it works.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Because if the new poll contradicts the old poll the AFT* would be compelled

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Because if the new poll contradicts the old poll the AFT * would be compelled to withdraw their support of Hillary Clinton and support him.





*A shout to aspirant for pointing out I had my acronyms incorrect.

[99Forever]

11. One more time.

Bernie Sanders isn't posting here.

Do you need to have someone explain what that means?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. I believe in fairness...

If Senators Sanders candidacy has been injured by a fabricated poll he and his candidacy deserve to be made whole.

[aspirant]

25. AFT not NEA

[DemocratSinceBirth]

35. Thank you for pointing out my error. That was very kind of you.

In the spirit of comity I will correct it and attribute the correction to you.

[frylock]

13. Link to Sen Sanders' comment about the National Education Association fabricating the results?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Oh, so there is no indication he believes as do many of his supporters that he was the victim...

Oh, so there is no indication he believes as do many of his supporters that he was the victim of chicanery.

Thank you, frylock, for sharing that with me.

[LWolf]

14. The NEA hasn't endorsed Clinton.

It's the AFT, whose president Randi Weingartener is a "friend" of HRC and serves on the board of one of her super pacs, that has endorsed HRC.

The AFT even acknowledges the premature nature of this endorsement:

RESOLVED, that it is premature to endorse a candidate for president of the United States, but because the 2016 presidential election process already has commenced, the American Federation of Teachers has a responsibility to begin a listening process with AFT members to learn about the issues that are important to them for the presidential election, and will seek to broaden the ways to do so -

See more at: http://www.aft.org/resolution/aft-2016-presidential-endorsement#sthash.4R5up8pA.dpuf

Cronyism at it's finest.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. Mea culpa. I changed the title .

BTW, I am confused... Could you please clarify for me whether he and his supporters believe he is the victim of chicanery or not?

If it's the former he should commission a poll of his own.

Thank you in advance.

[bravenak]

26. I think this is a good idea. Will put the issue to bed.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. I try to be logical./nt

[daleanime]

29. Isn't the problem about whether or not the members of the union....

felt like they had a voice in these matters? What other folks think is kind of unimportant.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. It seems they practiced due diligence in making their endorsement

http://www.aft.org/questions-and-answers-about-afts-endorsement-hillary-clinton

[CTBlueboy]

38. Just got out of school

Speaking for myself as a Sen.Sanders supporter unfortunately I do not have 20,000 just to conduct this poll. Maybe one of HRC supporters like Goldman can lend me a few thousand so I can pay of my student loans and get this poll commissioned.

[1StrongBlackMan]

39. Well ...

Do you think the 550 aggrieved teachers (number from above) would be willing to spend $37 (it would be significantly less if Bernie supporters were to kick in) to prove their claim?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. By this point Senator Sanders has raised approximately $20,000,000.00

By this point Senator Sanders has raised approximately $20,000,000.00. He can probably commission a poll for approximately $20,000.00. Let's say he wants a gold plated one and it cost $30,000.00. Surely he can spend less than one seventh hundred of a percent to vindicate his loyal supporters claim and get a useful endorsement as well.

[1StrongBlackMan]

41. As I've said before ...

I'm noticing a pattern ... A minority segment of the body doesn't get what they want so, 1) some chicanery must have occurred; and, 2) there is a demand for the larger organization conform to them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. Supporters of a certain candidate were trumpeting the fact

Supporters of a certain candidate were trumpeting the fact that a certain candidate now trails another candidate (among Hispanics) by a mere four points (43-39) based on a sub sample of 57 voters* but they are willfully ignoring a poll of 1,100 voters that shows their candidate trailing another candidate among American Federation Of Teachers members 67%-19%







* a finding that is contradicted by every pollster in the field including the pollster they cited.

[1StrongBlackMan]

43. "When you wish upon a star ..." n/t