2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary is owned by the Wall$treetBank$ter$. She won't support new Glass-Steagal OR breaking up
Too big to fail banks.
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/247700-adviser-clinton-wont-push-glass-steagall-bank-bill
daleanime
(17,796 posts)how much is she raising again? I think the figure was going to be 1.5 Billion?
BooScout
(10,406 posts)Do you honestly think that a couple of million in a war chest will be enough to take on the GOP. It's a nice thought, but not very pragmatic or in any way realistic.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)and say that they can quit tomorrow. If we don't over come that problem this election cycle, we never will.
Now if you're OK with that, good for you. I'm not. But we're not going to agree, are we? So have a great day.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)think I "owned" Hillary. BTW, she is getting lots of donations because we have confidence in her experience and strength.
udbcrzy2
(891 posts)'Hours after Hillary Clinton vowed to crack down on Wall Street, an adviser said she has no plans to push a bank break-up bill beloved by the left.
Alan Blinder, a former Federal Reserve official now advising the Clinton campaign, told Reuters Monday that she has no plans to push for the return of a banking law that separates commercial and investment banks'
From your link.
That was one of the things on my want list, but that's just me.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Wilms
(26,795 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...with a blind eye and bailouts. Oh, she'll spew some non-specifics to try to sound tough, but face it, Wall St high-rollers are her base.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)so it is doubtful that she will try to bring it back. Hillary s more of a centrist.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)and those Dems who voted YEA-who are Still in office are highlighted.
http://home.earthlink.net/~tranqbase/Voted_for_repeal_of_Glass_Steagall.htm
Sen Wyden of Oregon...Another reason NOT to send you Back to DC...Again. Your sox are starting to smell, sir!
aspirant
(3,533 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)then that she would Prosecute Wall Street/Banksters under any remaining regulations/statutes/US Code, for wrong-doing?
I believe this "soft-ball bankers gala" might bite her.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Guess they own her too. And don't forget EMILY'S List as well.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)I look forward to seeing how rank & file union members feel about Bernie.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And yeah, who cares about gender and social justice anyway, right?
peacebird
(14,195 posts)And he isn't taking megabucks from the bankers
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)That list that gets passed around is from her time in senate. By the way, many bankers are Democrats, like my cousin who works for GS. Do you generally broadbrush and scapegoat entire groups of people as an enemy?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Seriously.
Banks pay to get legislation that is beneficial to the banks passed. It really isn't any more complicated or human than that.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)I am glad that you have your spin worked out for the day.
Would you apply the same logic to donations from polluting corporations and oil companies? I am sorry, but I don't think either of us would give the republicans a pass if they used that kind of argument.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)1-That donation list is from her time in senate from NY. Her campaign now just reported a record breaking $45Million, 92% of which came from donors who gave $100 or less. 2-Bankers give to Democrats because historically stocks perform much better under Democrats than Republicans.
No need to scapegoat an entire group as enemies. Like I said, my cousin works for GS, makes a lot of money, donates to liberal causes, coaches little league, and hosts fundraisers for homeless families.
ETA: Hillary also receives plenty of donations from labor unions, teachers unions, planned parenthood, and EMILY'S List. Never hear her critics complain about them though.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)He offers specific details, while she speaks in broad generalizations. It will be interesting to see how the two campaign methods will flesh out in the debates.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)"owned" by Wall Street. There are plenty of liberal economists who don't think those are the best ways to deal with systemic risk. For example, Paul Krugman:
My basic view is that banking, left to its own devices, inherently poses risks of destabilizing runs; Im a Diamond-Dybvig guy. To contain banking crises, the government ends up stepping in to protect bank creditors. This in turn means that you have to regulate banks in normal times, both to reduce the need for rescues and to limit the moral hazard posed by the rescues when they happen.
And heres the key point: its not at all clear that the size of individual banks makes much difference to this argument. Its true that the big losses in mortgage-backed securities seem to have been concentrated at the big financial institutions. But the losses on commercial real estate, which look likely to be even worse per dollar lent, have been largely among smaller banks.
Remember, the great bank runs of the early 1930s began with a run on the Bank of the United States, which was only the 28th largest bank in the country at the time.
The point is that breaking up the big players is neither necessary nor sufficient to protect us against financial crises. Thats why my focus is on reducing leverage.
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/11/too-big-to-fail-fail-2/
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)They would go unaffected anyway.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)the huge mega-banks to begin with. And they were pure investment banks, not joint joint investment-commercial banks, so they wouldn't have been affected by Glass-Steagall. The financial system is complicated, it needs to be better regulated, but I'm afraid we're not going to get beyond anything but slogans during this primary season.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Because the government did not have to be on the hook for Lehman's failures. Fortunately for Lehman, they collapsed while W was still president and he could arrange a bailout.
But the FDIC means the government is on the hook for Citibank's failures. Why avoid risk when you have a guaranteed bailout?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)As Krugman points out, it is working: the borrowing advantage that mega-banks used to have due to their implicit bailout insurance has basically disappeared now that the government can seize them without rewarding shareholders.
Bankers, of course, hate this idea; and Republican leaders like Mitch McConnell tried to help their friends with the Orwellian claim that resolution authority was actually a gift to Wall Street, a form of corporate welfare, because it would grease the skids for future bailouts.
But Wall Street knew better. As Mike Konczal of the Roosevelt Institute points out, if being labeled systemically important were actually corporate welfare, institutions would welcome the designation; in fact, they have fought it tooth and nail. And a new study from the Government Accountability Office shows that while large banks were able to borrow more cheaply than small banks before financial reform passed, that advantage has now essentially disappeared. To some extent this may reflect generally calmer markets, but the study nonetheless suggests that reform has done at least part of what it was supposed to do.
Did reform go far enough? No. In particular, while banks are being forced to hold more capital, a key force for stability, they really should be holding much more. But Wall Street and its allies wouldnt be screaming so loudly, and spending so much money in an effort to gut the law, if it werent an important step in the right direction. For all its limitations, financial reform is a success story.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/04/opinion/paul-krugman-dodd-frank-financial-reform-is-working.html
Well here is an article that I think illustrates why whe should be suspicious of anyont taking too much money from the banks and financial services.
Same author.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/11/opinion/paul-krugman-wall-street-vampires.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Good to know you don't have a list of ready responses or anything like that.
Also good to know you didn't bother to read the article in question.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I've memorized the statistics by now. You can help out by repeating the facts, now that you know them, whenever you hear anyone repeating that false talking point, which I can only assume originated with the GOP.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)You repeat spin. There is a subtle difference.
Trying to claim that all the donations from the banks are being made by friendly little bank tellers would be an example of that.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)I never said all the donations are from friendly bank tellers. I'm sure some of them are from arrogant jerks. But when you total the amount she receives from all bankers, and divide it by the total she's raised from all sources, it comes out to 3.4%.
That's a fact. You can either ignore it and keep posting false talking points, or you can accept it and think of something else to attack her with. Your court.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I'm sure that will really get the point across.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)a soundbite from her most recent speech, that banking regulations need start at Glass-Steagal...but then MUST move above and beyond and add more reguations.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)her campaign's "financial advisor".
In other words, either her campaign is completely dysfunctional, or it is intentionally saying different things to different groups of people.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)They like that stuff.