Corruption alert! Hillary gets $260K for speaking to the American Camping Association.

[DanTex]

She's in the pocket of "big camping"!

Even worse the $265K she got from the Massachusetts Conference for Women. Or the $275K she got from the Cardiovascular Research Foundation. Do we really want a president with ties to cardiovascular research? Think about the consequences of that.

There's a whole list of these. Just one long nightmare, really.
http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-six-figure-speaking-fees-that-hillary-clinton-received-after-leaving-the-state-dept-2015-5

$225K from the Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries.
$225K from the United Fresh Produce Association.
$225K from the International Dairy-Deli-Bakery Association.

Where is the press on this!! Aren't they worried about "big recycling" and "big bagel"! We have to put a stop to this!

[artislife]

1. I just can't see her camping.

Not even glamping.

[HooptieWagon]

2. With her economic plan, we'll all end up living in tents.

Camping suppliers are excited about the big boost in sales.

[Scuba]

3. Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner.

[azmom]

43. LOL

[ibegurpard]

4. her speaking fees are not an issue for me

But pa quarter million a pop is probably not something you want to be blaring from the rooftops when you're trying to convince working people you are their "champion"...

[DanTex]

7. She's not blaring it from rooftops. Right-wingers trying to bash her are.

[ibegurpard]

13. you're doing it right here

[DanTex]

14. This is a response to the Hillary-bashers who are acting as though she only speaks in front of banks

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. Aww does that make you has a sad?

[DanTex]

19. No, but it sets of my BS-meter. Obviously you prefer if the right-wing lies go unchallenged.

[retrowire]

25. why do Hillary supporters think Bernie won't be a challenge as well?

please explain.

[cherokeeprogressive]

16. Right wingers and YOU.

[DanTex]

18. I'm sure you would prefer if I didn't respond to the right-wing anti-HRC memes that show up on DU.

[cherokeeprogressive]

20. Doesn't matter if you do or don't.

But I'm constantly amused by the rhetorical devices people like you use to stifle discussion by trying to shame people into biting their tongue.

[DanTex]

21. True, the Hillary bashers are mostly immune to facts. But I'm still going to post them.

[awoke_in_2003]

5. Did Bill pitch a tent?

Sorry, you can't hang it over the plate like that

[Adrahil]

6. Bought and paid for by the campsters!

[Scootaloo]

8. Okay. I gigglesnorted

"BIG CAMPING!"

[DanTex]

12. I was gonna go with "big women" but thought the better of it...

[Scootaloo]

22. I'll tell you what though...

If you can show me where "BIG CAMPING" has negatively impacted our political or economic system, I'll give you credence as more than someone grasping at straws to defend the corruptive influence of big banking.

Ready, aaaaand go!

[DanTex]

24. And I'll tell you what.

I'm not going to pretend that the influence of big banking isn't corrosive. And yet, as I've pointed out before, the amount that Hillary has raised from bankers totals 3.4% of her total campaign fundraising. Basically, a tiny fraction. The "Hillary is owned by bankers" meme is almost wholly false.

Here's my challenge for you. I first "met" you on DU from your posts in I/P, which I found excellent and agreed with close to 100%. You must understand that when it comes to I/P Bernie is at most marginally better than Hillary. He's not going to call it apartheid. He's not going to call the war crimes war crimes. He's not going to call for ending the billions in military aid, or even making the military aid contingent on any kind of change in policy.

Given that, and given that you obviously take the I/P situation very seriously, how can you treat Bernie as anything but another flawed politician? And if you do, why do you seem to reject Hillary, who is also a flawed politician, with such vigor? At some level, you are a political realist, otherwise you would be decrying Bernie for his stance on I/P (and guns, and the F-35). But political realism also implies understanding that Hillary is not only the most likely candidate to beat the GOP, but also that given GOP obstruction in congress, the difference between a Hillary and a Bernie presidency would be minimal.

Do you really think that single payer is going to get through congress? Or a 0.5% financial transaction tax? Or breaking up the big banks or even re-instating Dodd Frank? No, it's not. What this election is about is whether we continue the Obama path of doing the best we can in the face of GOP opposition, or handing over the presidency to a Republican who will roll back all the progress we've made, go back to Reaganomics and appoint right-wing SC justices that will haunt us for a generation.

[marble falls]

9. These ones bother me more:

Contributor total individual PAC


Citigroup Inc $782,327 $774,327 $8,000
Goldman Sachs $711,490 $701,490 $10,000
DLA Piper $628,030 $601,030 $27,000
JPMorgan Chase & Co $620,919 $617,919 $3,000
EMILY's List $605,174 $601,254 $3,920
Morgan Stanley $543,065 $538,065 $5,000
Time Warner $411,296 $386,296 $25,000
Skadden, Arps et al $406,640 $402,140 $4,500
Lehman Brothers $362,853 $359,853 $3,000
Cablevision Systems $336,288 $306,900 $29,388
University of California $329,673 $329,673 $0
Kirkland & Ellis $311,441 $294,441 $17,000
Squire Patton Boggs $310,596 $305,158 $5,438
21st Century Fox $302,400 $302,400 $0
National Amusements Inc$297,534 $294,534 $3,000
Ernst & Young $297,142 $277,142 $20,000
Merrill Lynch $292,303 $286,303 $6,000
Credit Suisse Group $290,600 $280,600 $10,000
Corning Inc $274,700 $256,700 $18,000
Greenberg Traurig LLP $273,550 $265,450 $8,100



Like you said, where's the press on this?

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=N00000019

[DanTex]

11. Bzzzt. Already been debunked! You're late to the party.

Only 3.4% of her campaign funding comes from bankers. Time for a new meme!
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/110712458

[retrowire]

28. it really wasn't debunked.

Here are some counterpoints from people that don't live in a "good news only for Hillary bubble"

1. "So you're pretending that bank tellers and janitors are donating to Clinton.

Ignoring that janitors don't actually work for Citibank. And that tellers don't exactly have a lot of pocket change to throw into a political campaign. And that the executive suite has plenty of maximum contributions to give. It makes little sense to believe that that huge amount of money is from common employees and not those that represent the company"

2. "Hillary not only gets repeated donations from a large number of corporatebankers - - managers many of them, but she is paid high prices to give speeches to bankers. Some are just employees, some are top managers, some are giving to influence, some not. But the amount of money she receives from Wall Street firms, employees and management, is just too high.

Bankers run banks. Bankers are the banks.

As for the law firms, some are just private donations from employees of law firms who like her. But some law firms do a lot of lobbying, and some represent very wealthy corporate clients.

The fact is that her donor list shows who she appeals to, and it is very clear that she appeals to the oligarchs. Let's remember she doesn't just have that donor list. She also gives speeches to corporate groups for very large sums of money, she has PACs that donate to her, and she collects money for her foundation."

3. "In the end the fact remains, her top donor list, "private citizens" or not just HAPPENS to be all of those companies.... why? why not a bunch of unions that represent the people? its suspect, no matter how you spin it"

so yeaaah... not debunked. just clarified. and it doesn't clean that stain, I'm sorry.

[DanTex]

31. The number is 3.4%. I noticed you avoided that one. 3.4%. Memorize that, it's important.

That's the percentage of her fundraising that came from employees of banks. The amounts that banks themselves contributed is, of course, zero.

Anywhere outside of the far-left or FOX News bubbles (the two are becoming increasingly hard to distinguish these days), claiming that a candidate who gets 3.4% of her donations from employees in a certain sector is somehow owned by the corporations in that sector is sheer madness.

[retrowire]

33. keep your eyes closed all you want

that 3.4% could have come from anywhere in the world but it came from that particular party. secondly you can't deny all the other percentages not provided by that one list.

can't be denied where most of her money comes from however. and it doesn't come from the people that speak for you and me. fact.

[DanTex]

34. "Percentages not provided by that one list?" What are you talking about?

3.4% is the total percentage of her funding that came from employees in the financial sector. It's not from that list, it's on the summary page on open secrets. That's the link the Hillary haters never click on because it shows how absurd their whole "owned by the banks" meme is.

Even if you assume that all the people who work in the financial sector "don't speak for you and me" (which is preposterous, I know plenty of people who work in the financial sector and are hardcore liberals), you're still badly confused if you think that 3.4% is "most" of her money.

[retrowire]

35. i didnt say 3.4% was most of her money

but that list and several other sources do say where the majority of her money comes from.

be semantic about the banking thing all you want, facts still stand. Hillary and Wall St play nicely with one another.

don't take it so personally, you might see what a lot of folks are taking about. take emotion out of it and think. Does Hillary get funding from powerful people? yes. Does she oppose glass-steagall? yes. does she support TPP? yes.

all the context is there to draw the appropriate conclusion

[DanTex]

36. Well than what other money are you talking about other than the 3.4%?

Even if we accept the false premise that nobody who works in the financial sector is "like you and me", it still only adds up to a tiny fraction of her funding.

I agree, don't make it emotional. Make it factual. The facts are, she gets 3.4% of her funding from financial employees. Her overall funding comes from a lot of diverse sources. In the last round of fundraising, 91% of her donations were $100 or less.

Take out the emotion and think. Before you saw the 3.4% figure, what fraction of her funding would you have guessed came from the financial sector? I'm thinking your guess would be a lot higher than that. Maybe it's time for you to revisit some of your assumptions.

[retrowire]

37. cite your source for the remaining sum of money.

[DanTex]

39. Right here:

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cycle=Career&cid=n00000019&type=I

1999 - 2016 Total Receipts: $328,759,064
Securities & Investment $11,290,074

11,290,074 / 328,759,064 = 0.03434148

[brooklynite]

10. I have it on good authority...

...that she didn't want to offend anyone at the Bakery Association, so she had an "everything" bagel...

[stevenleser]

15. ROFLMAO. Well played!

[Motown_Johnny]

23. She took $275K out of cardiovascular research?

I will admit that this is not as bad as W taking money from veterans, but it is a long the same lines.

[djean111]

26. Good to keep this in mind if they ask for money.

[DanTex]

27. Yeah, boycott heart research to spite Clinton!

I can't think of a more concise summary of the Clinton-hating far left than this.

[djean111]

30. I don't see why any research facility needs to spend that much money on a speaker.

So save your hyperbole. They likely get government grants.
Oh, and I don't "hate" Clinton. More puerile hyperbole. I just don't like her for President. Why would I waste time hating her? Ridiculous.

[DanTex]

32. If we're going that way, how about some concern about Bernie taking money from working class people

by selling them the false hope that he will somehow become president. Like he said, a lot of his donors don't have much to give.

[Lil Missy]

29. Good for her. Another non-issue.

[Sancho]

38. After Bernie's latest speech about his plans to fix this outrage, I may have to support him!!

No one is going to pay him off, and he's going to do something about it!

He pledges to BREAK UP those marauding campers!! There's going to be a Robin Hood tax EVERY TIME YOU PITCH A TENT! The tax will go to fund dues for the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, Campfire Girls, and Boys Clubs.

Next, Bernie is going to demand economic justice from the Scrap business. Sanford & Sons reruns will be free on all networks for a year. Absolutely NO scrappy trade agreement with China! We will not take any scrap from Mexico either

All produce will have to be grown in communes or kibbutzes! Profits will be shared. No GMOs allowed! Monsanto headquarters will be nuked the first day Bernie is President.

Finally. All deli's will serve kosher lunch, and they will be required to serve all patrons; including gun-carrying hunters from Vermont, F35 pilots from the Burlington airport, and yacht owners with American flags! The only person that a deli can refuse to serve is a Wall Street banker!

I sure hope Congress goes along with these cool plans and puts a stop to Hillary's behind the scene deals.

[PoliticAverse]

40. Does the American Camp Association have an interest in any legislation that might come up

during a President Clinton term?

[DanTex]

41. I assume they support environmental protection. But you'll have to ask them for details.

[Sunlei]

42. she could always go the republican way to get massive donations. write a crap online book.