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marmar

(77,080 posts)
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:41 AM Jul 2015

The AFT’s Endorsement of Hillary Clinton Is an Insult to Union Democracy


from In These Times:



The AFT’s Endorsement of Hillary Clinton Is an Insult to Union Democracy
BY LOIS WEINER


On Saturday, the American Federation of Teachers (AFT) announced that its executive council “overwhelmingly” endorsed Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination for president. It did so, the official announcement says, on the basis of interviews (not released to members) and the results of a poll.

The decision couldn’t be more wrongheaded, and it’s one that members should demand the union executive council rescind. We should propose instead a decision reached by a very different process: a referendum of members that follows and is informed by debate in union outlets.

Every local should be charged by the executive council with providing space and place for members to air their opinions. The national union should encourage use of its magazine and website for this debate. In this discussion the leadership will have the opportunity to persuade members that endorsing Clinton is the wisest choice, but it will be obligated to carry out the will of the membership as expressed in the referendum.

What is most destructive in the AFT’s endorsement of Clinton is that it has disempowered members at precisely the moment when we most need revitalized teachers unions to save a system of education that is being destroyed as a public good by powerful elites and the politicians they control.

Instead, a rushed decision was made without any semblance of legitimacy. The questions and answers about the process offer few specifics except that the national union conducted polls of members and interviews with (some) candidates. According to the union, the endorsement was made based on this information, though people who know Washington politics have been aware for many years of the public love fest between AFT President Randi Weingarten and Clinton. The process of seeking member opinion was an embarrassingly transparent cover for Weingarten’s longstanding desire that Clinton be the AFT’s candidate. ........(more)

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/18184/AFT_endorsement_clinton




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The AFT’s Endorsement of Hillary Clinton Is an Insult to Union Democracy (Original Post) marmar Jul 2015 OP
OMG, are the Bernsters that upset with this endorsement? boston bean Jul 2015 #1
"In These Times" is LWolf Jul 2015 #12
And yet she's still going to be our next President. onehandle Jul 2015 #2
Very powerful article. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #3
A large union endorses a strong progressive. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #4
Sorry, but they're not Republicans. :) LWolf Jul 2015 #10
Nice. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #13
A left wing journal LWolf Jul 2015 #15
I am amused by people scratching their heads as to why.... NCTraveler Jul 2015 #16
We know why the AFT backed Clinton, LWolf Jul 2015 #17
I don't know. I don't see them running around with their hair on fire trying to.... NCTraveler Jul 2015 #20
You don't see them running around with their hair on fire, LWolf Jul 2015 #21
Very small actually. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #22
Nope. LWolf Jul 2015 #23
It does get it heard. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #25
Do you stand with union members LWolf Jul 2015 #26
Except for the fact that Weingarten got it wrong London Lover Man Jul 2015 #24
"Strong progressive" HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #19
Hillary got the endorsement of the Executive Council... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #5
Well then, good to know there'll be a lot of AFT members canvassing and phone-banking for Clinton... brooklynite Jul 2015 #14
Because "democracy" means putting the views of 19% of members ahead of the views of 67%. DanTex Jul 2015 #6
Obviously silenttigersong Jul 2015 #7
... SidDithers Jul 2015 #8
.... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #9
Representative democracy... brooklynite Jul 2015 #11
Why blame Bernie supporters? silenttigersong Jul 2015 #18

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
1. OMG, are the Bernsters that upset with this endorsement?
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:44 AM
Jul 2015

They think Bernie should have gotten it, I presume?

If not Bernie, who else should have gotten?

This is getting beyond ridiculous.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
12. "In These Times" is
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jul 2015
an independent, nonprofit magazine, is dedicated to advancing democracy and economic justice, informing movements for a more humane world, and providing an accessible forum for debate about the policies that shape our future.

In 1976, author and historian James Weinstein founded In These Times with the mission to "identify and clarify the struggles against corporate power now multiplying in American society."

Weinstein (1926-2005) was joined in establishing this independent magazine of news, culture and opinion by noted intellectuals Daniel Ellsberg, E.P. Thompson, Noam Chomsky, Barbara Ehrenreich, Julian Bond and Herbert Marcuse, all of whom were among the original sponsors of the magazine (see full list of founding sponsors below). Thirty-four years later, those sponsors now number in the thousands--as a not-for-profit publication, In These Times, like all political magazines on both the left and the right, has survived with the help of readers who make donations above and beyond the cost of their subscriptions.


http://inthesetimes.com/about

While I suspect their focus on economic justice and struggles against corporate power would make them favor Sanders, they certainly aren't "Bernsters."

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
10. Sorry, but they're not Republicans. :)
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jul 2015
In These Times, an independent, nonprofit magazine, is dedicated to advancing democracy and economic justice, informing movements for a more humane world, and providing an accessible forum for debate about the policies that shape our future.

In 1976, author and historian James Weinstein founded In These Times with the mission to "identify and clarify the struggles against corporate power now multiplying in American society."

Weinstein (1926-2005) was joined in establishing this independent magazine of news, culture and opinion by noted intellectuals Daniel Ellsberg, E.P. Thompson, Noam Chomsky, Barbara Ehrenreich, Julian Bond and Herbert Marcuse, all of whom were among the original sponsors of the magazine (see full list of founding sponsors below). Thirty-four years later, those sponsors now number in the thousands--as a not-for-profit publication, In These Times, like all political magazines on both the left and the right, has survived with the help of readers who make donations above and beyond the cost of their subscriptions.


http://inthesetimes.com/about
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
13. Nice.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jul 2015

I'm still very comfortable with my point.

With such a foolish headline they serve the same purpose. Make the country feel uncomfortable with progressive language. They often do serve the same purpose.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
15. A left wing journal
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jul 2015

criticizes an endorsement and Republican heads explode?

What point are you trying to make? Are the left now Republicans?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
16. I am amused by people scratching their heads as to why....
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:59 PM
Jul 2015

I am amused by people scratching their heads as to why a large union would endorse one of the most popular progressives today. I'm just having fun. And yes, those who don't get this often do serve the same purpose as republicans. The exact same purpose. Please get me my fainting couch, I can't figure out why a union would back a strong progressive. I just don't get it. lol. It's really too funny.

Pretty clear the union made a good move. The most they have had to deal with is a petition that couldn't even get twenty thousand people to sign it. A union with well over a million members, the petition wasn't open to members only, and support was anemic at best. These articles are just elites amusing themselves as the rest of us get real shit done.

The only better card they could have played would have been to support O'Malley.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
17. We know why the AFT backed Clinton,
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:02 PM
Jul 2015

and it has nothing to do with her "progressive" credentials, lol.

Are all the pissed off AFT members just "elites amusing themselves?"

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
20. I don't know. I don't see them running around with their hair on fire trying to....
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:09 PM
Jul 2015

figure out why such a large union would back a solid progressive.

Still, their best move would have been to back O'Malley. We don't seem to be the ones crying over this though.

A major union backs a strong progressive and a very small but vocal group are crying spilled milk. It's simply amusing.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
21. You don't see them running around with their hair on fire,
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jul 2015

but you must not be paying any attention to what they are saying.

Small but vocal group?

I don't think so. Vocal, yes. Small, no.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. Very small actually.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:23 PM
Jul 2015

I hear them and they are making the case for Hillary. Their whole argument is based on a strong progressive having union connections. Every person seems to be the same. A pissed of Sanders supporter. Get this. The argument is that a solid progressive has union connections. It's absurd. Same as you saying it isn't small. The petition didn't even take off. It's support is anemic.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
23. Nope.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:25 PM
Jul 2015

The fact is that the endorsement sparked a whole host of people mounting opposition.

That's actually not a bad thing, from my perspective. It sure gets the issues heard.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. It does get it heard.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:30 PM
Jul 2015

And Hillary loves it. A very large union is getting on board with Hillary and the country is finding out. They are also watching groups attack Hillary and a large union. Republicans favorite past time. Trust me, you have tons of friends to union bash with. I stand with unions. I stand with progressives.

"The fact is that the endorsement sparked a whole host of people mounting opposition."

The internet is a funny thing.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
26. Do you stand with union members
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 02:07 PM
Jul 2015

that don't want their executive board using processes that are less than democratic and making decisions that appear to be based more on cronyism than what the rank and file want?

 

London Lover Man

(371 posts)
24. Except for the fact that Weingarten got it wrong
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:26 PM
Jul 2015

and she is facing backlashes and will have to do something about it and SOON.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
5. Hillary got the endorsement of the Executive Council...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jul 2015

Presided over by a board member of Hillarys Super PAC. BFD. It's the rank and file membership that does the canvassing and phone-banking, and it appears a whole lot of them will be doing so for Bernie. If Weingartners job was to deliver the union to Hillary, it looks like her clumsy attempt just blew up in her face, and reflects poorly on the Clinton Campaign as being another example of her elitism and undemocratic behavior.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
14. Well then, good to know there'll be a lot of AFT members canvassing and phone-banking for Clinton...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jul 2015
Hillary Clinton enjoys overwhelming support as AFT members’ first choice to be the Democratic presidential nominee.
Fully two-thirds (67%) of Democratic primary voters pick Clinton, giving her a commanding 48-point lead over Bernie Sanders (19%) while O’Malley, Webb, and Chafee all receive no more than 1% of the vote. Clinton is the clear first choice among every division within AFT.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
6. Because "democracy" means putting the views of 19% of members ahead of the views of 67%.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jul 2015

Obviously.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
11. Representative democracy...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jul 2015

(also indirect democracy or psephocracy) is a variety of democracy founded on the principle of elected officials representing a group of people, as opposed to direct democracy.

silenttigersong

(957 posts)
18. Why blame Bernie supporters?
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jul 2015

It very well could be many Clinton supporters that are upset with the process.But to do that you would have to do another poll,either way ,Clinton could lose support because of it .

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