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Why is Sanders sparking a movement across the country? (Original Post) LWolf Jul 2015 OP
His message is reasonating with voters across the spectrum! peacebird Jul 2015 #1
It could be just wacky happenstance virtualobserver Jul 2015 #2
yup yup, cuz Bernie is the real deal. Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #51
many are tired of the neoliberalism nt HFRN Jul 2015 #3
I know I am. nt LWolf Jul 2015 #7
I would be one of the many. Enthusiast Jul 2015 #58
Because he brings more to the table than just a bundle of cash...[n/t] Maedhros Jul 2015 #4
His message is what people want to hear sadoldgirl Jul 2015 #5
And because it's not just a message to him. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #10
And I'm sick to death LWolf Jul 2015 #63
Hell yes! kenfrequed Jul 2015 #6
Bernie has a vision he's been working for his whole life. Avalux Jul 2015 #8
The problem is that's it's still a minority movement in the Democratic Party... brooklynite Jul 2015 #9
I don't get it. bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #12
I expect nothing from that person... London Lover Man Jul 2015 #14
wait...having a picture that big may have just swayed me over artislife Jul 2015 #53
It looks like an ad for enzyte bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #54
Maybe it looks better when it's tweeted? artislife Jul 2015 #55
It's not too late to join in and help out, Brooklynite Scootaloo Jul 2015 #15
I'll make a deal with you... brooklynite Jul 2015 #20
Pitch in, and that's one more person helping him have that chance, Brooklynite Scootaloo Jul 2015 #25
So, the answer is: you can't show me evidence. brooklynite Jul 2015 #27
The answer is that it takes footwork to get there Scootaloo Jul 2015 #31
Getting there requires footwork; footwork doesn't mean you'll get there brooklynite Jul 2015 #32
It's a better plan than coasting n/t Scootaloo Jul 2015 #33
I'm prepared to accept incremental change forward... brooklynite Jul 2015 #35
I feel the same. Thus why I support the candidate I do. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #38
You believe Sanders can win...but you can't explain why brooklynite Jul 2015 #40
You haven't asked why I believe he can win. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #42
What part of... brooklynite Jul 2015 #44
The part where that question was already answered. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #45
The person who defeated Hillary eight years ago rocktivity Jul 2015 #17
1. New leadership team. 2. Not running against Obama brooklynite Jul 2015 #24
Hillary may be part of the biggest undervote in history. jalan48 Jul 2015 #18
Hell No! 2banon Jul 2015 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author AOR Jul 2015 #34
Keep telling yourself that hootinholler Jul 2015 #36
Settling for "mainstream Democratic principles"... AOR Jul 2015 #37
Who? I can't see who you're talking about, there's a big picture of Hillary in the way. n/t A Simple Game Jul 2015 #41
And decades of experience on the world stage. George II Jul 2015 #43
Hillary in no way represents "mainstream Democratic principles", certainly not traditional kath Jul 2015 #47
You might want to takethat up with..... brooklynite Jul 2015 #49
Bernie will take it up with them at the first debate. Ino Jul 2015 #64
I hate to break it to you but the Dem party is now down to only sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #65
Bernie silenttigersong Jul 2015 #11
It's because this is our last chance padfun Jul 2015 #13
but I'm not real sure the common folk know that......all they hear is the hate speech from a kennedy Jul 2015 #23
The common folk who watch Fox aren’t going to vote for any “Democrat President" dorkzilla Jul 2015 #30
The last chance? IDK... HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #29
+1 so very much! Enthusiast Jul 2015 #59
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jul 2015 #16
You're welcome, of course. LWolf Jul 2015 #46
"Change vs. more of the same. The economy, stupid. Don't forget health care." Mnpaul Jul 2015 #19
K&R Big Time! 2banon Jul 2015 #22
Every Time I watch anything from Senator Sanders....I'm overwhelmed with his Honesty! KoKo Jul 2015 #26
because there are a lot of people who do not benefit from the status quo. nt antigop Jul 2015 #28
+1 HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #39
More of us every day. nt Enthusiast Jul 2015 #60
Not only the President we need madokie Jul 2015 #48
THAT is what I want to hear. LWolf Jul 2015 #50
Hokum And Snake Oil Don't Sell Well Any Longer cantbeserious Jul 2015 #52
Because we are sick of third way Aerows Jul 2015 #56
YES. LWolf Jul 2015 #62
So happy to find myself MuseRider Jul 2015 #57
Hi, Muse! LWolf Jul 2015 #61

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
10. And because it's not just a message to him.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jul 2015

He believes what he says, he's not just 'moving to the left' or right to win votes so he can become 'the most powerful person in the world'.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
8. Bernie has a vision he's been working for his whole life.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:30 PM
Jul 2015

For me personally, Bernie appeals to my better self, the self that yearns for a world where everyone is accepted for who we are no matter what we believe or how we look, where we don't have to worry about basic survival needs, and where we can use our time and energy to play and create in our own unique ways and have meaningful relationships with others.

Utopia? Yep, and it may be unattainable given the human species's penchant for competition and conflict. But that doesn't mean I'm going to stop believing it's possible. I'm certainly not going to stop believing that Bernie will be our next president.

"When millions of people stand up and fight, they win" - Bernie Sanders

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
9. The problem is that's it's still a minority movement in the Democratic Party...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 05:36 PM
Jul 2015

...which means it'll be an even small movement among the national electorate.

In the mean time we have a candidate who represents mainstream Democratic principles, and shows evidence of being able to take on any of the Republicans likely to be nominated.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
12. I don't get it.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:32 PM
Jul 2015

So the OP is about how excited people are about Bernie Sanders because he doesn't represent politics as usual, so you make a milquetoast appeal for people to get behind the candidate that represents the very politics they are rallying against. You couldn't actually expect to sway anyone with this post, or spark a reasonable discussion, so what was the point?

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
54. It looks like an ad for enzyte
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 10:34 PM
Jul 2015

Or something that would be posted on the wall in one of those dystopian future movies where everyone smiles but is actually dead inside.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
20. I'll make a deal with you...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:59 PM
Jul 2015

In 2008 I supported Clinton, but I switched to Obama when I became convinced he had an equal chance of winning in November. Show me that Sanders can win against the Republican field based on hard evidence and I'll join you.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
25. Pitch in, and that's one more person helping him have that chance, Brooklynite
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jul 2015

Plus - if i understand correctly - you're pretty well-connected and have a decent income for yourself, right? Couldn't hurt!

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
27. So, the answer is: you can't show me evidence.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jul 2015

And, yes I am connected, and none of my liberal friends think Sanders has a chance. We're not wiling to take the risk.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
40. You believe Sanders can win...but you can't explain why
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:40 PM
Jul 2015

In addition to Hillary Clinton, I will probably provide financial support to 50 House and Senate candidates. And before I give them that support, I'll want a serious explanation of why they can win, and how they'll do it. If they can't explain that to me, there'll be another candidate, equally deserving, who can.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
42. You haven't asked why I believe he can win.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:46 PM
Jul 2015

What are you looking for there, Brooklynite? Ar you asking for my opinion like it appears, or will you change change the subject - again - back to poll numbers?

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
44. What part of...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:48 PM
Jul 2015
Show me that Sanders can win against the Republican field based on hard evidence and I'll join you.
did you not understand?

Your response:

Pitch in, and that's one more person helping him have that chance

doesn't explain how the "chance" is in any way realistic.
 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
45. The part where that question was already answered.
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:50 PM
Jul 2015

I thought we were continuing a discussion here, Brooklynite. have i misread you entirely? I thought maybe you were here to engage, instead of tell your lessers what.

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
17. The person who defeated Hillary eight years ago
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:50 PM
Jul 2015

was part of a small movement, too. What is she doing to avoid repeating her history?


rocktivity

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
24. 1. New leadership team. 2. Not running against Obama
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:10 PM
Jul 2015

Obama had a huge advantage over Sanders in terms of financial resources and political support, and was at this point only about 10% behind Clinton. This time around, Clinton is in the high 50s (where she's been for the past year) and won't make the same mistake about ignoring caucus States.

Response to brooklynite (Reply #9)

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
36. Keep telling yourself that
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:33 PM
Jul 2015

Out in the real world, the non-voters and sometimes voters are paying attention for a change.

If you were paying attention you would know that also.

I'm curious about what you think you will accomplish with your post?

 

AOR

(692 posts)
37. Settling for "mainstream Democratic principles"...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:34 PM
Jul 2015

is precisely the problem. Weak, unprincipled, capitulation to the status quo and the continued downward spiral of the majority of the working class.

kath

(10,565 posts)
47. Hillary in no way represents "mainstream Democratic principles", certainly not traditional
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:56 PM
Jul 2015

Democratic principles.
What she represents is the principles of those who freakin' INFILTRATED the Party - she was a founder of the goddam DLC, after all.

We've somehow gotta take the party back from those who hijacked it.

Ino

(3,366 posts)
64. Bernie will take it up with them at the first debate.
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:09 AM
Jul 2015

He'll be speaking truth with passion and conviction, while Hillary hems & haws around a position.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
65. I hate to break it to you but the Dem party is now down to only
Thu Jul 16, 2015, 08:31 AM
Jul 2015

32% of registered voters. Bernie has already tapped into between 15% - 25% of that vote, probably more as more people get to know him across the country.

But the biggest voting bloc is now the Independent vote AND non-voters, people who are disgusted with the whole 'rigged' system they don't even participate in it anymore. THAT is about to change.

I, eg, have already signed up non-voters who for the first time, they say, in years, they are excited about a candidate who isn't just talking he has the record to back up what he says.

Both the Independent and Non-voter demographics will NOT vote for the status quo candidates, that is why they are Indies and not voting to begin with.

No candidate can win without cross over votes. Bernie is the only candidate who is now getting voters from across the political spectrum.

The Dem base is not enough to win, not for Hillary or Bernie. But half the base plus the Independent and non-voter votes will be enough for Bernie Sanders.

padfun

(1,786 posts)
13. It's because this is our last chance
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:35 PM
Jul 2015

to stop the Oligarchy. They control just about everything now, media, congress, etc.
This is the final push until we lose any and all control. (It really might be too late anyways.)

a kennedy

(29,661 posts)
23. but I'm not real sure the common folk know that......all they hear is the hate speech from
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:01 PM
Jul 2015

faux noise, turnip, and all the other hate mangers that IS the Republican Party or tea bag party.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
30. The common folk who watch Fox aren’t going to vote for any “Democrat President"
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:22 PM
Jul 2015

There are many independent voters - 42% by some accounts - and they’ll listen. The guy is honest, unflappable and consistent.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
29. The last chance? IDK...
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:20 PM
Jul 2015

They control 1 1/2 of the 2 major parties.
They control the media.
They've infiltrated unions.
They hold 90 % of the wealth.
They've installed a vast surveillance apparatus.
Their militarized police are murdering citizens.

Yep, this is the last chance....

Mnpaul

(3,655 posts)
19. "Change vs. more of the same. The economy, stupid. Don't forget health care."
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jul 2015

funny that coming back to bite the Clintons in the butt.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
26. Every Time I watch anything from Senator Sanders....I'm overwhelmed with his Honesty!
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jul 2015

That, "Go To The GUT Truth Telling" that Radiates from his Speech and his Body Language of Sincerity that is so "No Nonsense" lacking the "Spin Doctors & Message Mangers" that ALL of the OTHER CAMPAIGNS...seem to PAY the Big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s FOR!


I wish we had a stable of Dem Candidates who were so Authentic...but, We Don't. And, the Other Side's "Clown Car" with their Idiocy is no better.

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Aerows

(39,961 posts)
56. Because we are sick of third way
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:08 PM
Jul 2015

bullshit.

That's why.

At least a Republican will announce that they are going to screw us over and be pleased about it. I don't need a Democrat to smile brightly while they screw us over - I want someone that will stop the screwing of us over.

MuseRider

(34,109 posts)
57. So happy to find myself
Tue Jul 14, 2015, 11:18 PM
Jul 2015

on the same side with you again but then I never doubted it would be so.

He is who we need and he is who we will move right into the lead before the primaries begin. Work work work. So happy to work for something this good.

Oh yes, there is a big picture of a lady with dolls eyes in the middle of your post. Clean up on aisle USA please. Will do!

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