Hillary Sniper Fire Revisited (2008)

[mymomwasright]

While I would love nothing more than to vote for a woman president, I guess I will "let this cat out of the bag". It cannot be wished away. A Commander in Chief cannot take lightly life and death in a war zone. It needs to be said and the Republicans will use it as a whip along with everything else. She lied about sniper fire, it was not "misspeak" as she claimed. One does not misspeak a revelation or story, one fabricates:

Hillary Clinton ran for President in 2007, she made an outlandish claim that as first lady, she had to run through a hail of sniper fire in Bosnia. "It was a moment of great pride for me," Clinton recalled from behind a campaign podium.

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[DCBob]

1. How about Whitewater and Vince Foster while your at it.

Good grief.

[onehandle]

2. Hold on...

...it's coming.

[mymomwasright]

3. The fact that this is a fact!

She said it and it isn't a conspiracy theory!

[DCBob]

12. She exaggerated... I think Ive done that a few times.

There are much bigger issues to consider.

[brooklynite]

13. More to the point, this came up in the 2008 campaign; nobody cares...

[mymomwasright]

26. Bigger than being Commander in Chief?

I cant tell you how many numerous times I had to "button up" troops just because the current POTUS was black or "Muslim" because of stupid conservative BS. So to characterize this as a non-issue is disrespectful to those who need to believe their leaders stand for integrity in the military! It may not mean squat to you, but it does to them!

[DCBob]

27. It was campaign... candidates often say dumb things.

I know you fear Hillary and you should because she is a very strong candidate it will probably win the WH easily.

[madokie]

30. Liars do what liars do, they lie

she'll say anything that she thinks will help further her cause. Get over it.
I'm a 15 month in-country Vietnam Vet and I've yet to embellish my story in any way. Of course I'm not a liar though, never have been and won't be starting now. As my mom would say son always tell the truth then you don't have to worry with remembering what you said later on.

[JaneyVee]

33. How do we know you aren't lying right now?

"Liars do what liars do, they lie".

[madokie]

37. LOL

You got that right liars do what liars do they lie. She told a bald faced lie and we all know it. Deal with it but don't try to convince me otherwise and whatever you do don't put me in the same class as her. Got it?

[JaneyVee]

49. I'm certainly not going to try and convince you of anything...

See, the great thing about being a reasonable, rational person is that I don't have to hold every human to some way-too-creepy high of a bar that it makes me blind to all the other wonderful and admirable qualities and traits about that person. In other words, I can recognize that humans make mistakes, while also recognizing that mistakes don't define a person. Hey, don't worry, I won't put you in the same class as her.

Surely you would hold yourself to such a high bar by never telling a lie, yes?

[JaneyVee]

59. It's all in the eye of the beholder...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/bernie-s/

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. Hear hear. 100% agreement.

[madokie]

38. Peace bro'

hope all is well with you

[cherokeeprogressive]

40. All is well as I hope it is with you. And I gotta say...

I'm freakin' loving primary season, even though it ain't begun yet!

[mymomwasright]

44. Thanks for addressing what I said to your post!

<SARC>

[Adrahil]

84. No offense, but what a load of horse shit.

The military tends to conservative. I have worked for the DoD my whole career. I know it. Everybody overstates things now and again. This is a gigantic non-issue. It's already cooked into the numbers.

[tularetom]

50. Well, when you run for president, you'll probably have to explain it

And she definitely did NOT exaggerate. An exaggeration would have consisted of an embellishment of the facts, but in this case her story wasn't an embellishment it was made up bullshit from the gitgo.

And it wasn't "misspeaking" it was a flat ass lie.

Why did she feel the need to do it? I have no clue, but the fact that she did showed me a disturbing lack of character.

[tularetom]

4. Not even in the ball park

Whitewater was 75% bullshit, Vince Foster was 100% bullshit.

Snipergate is an example of a politician with a very tenuous relationship with the truth. She didn't "misspeak", she fucking lied.

[winter is coming]

9. +1.

You're a senator, a former First Lady of Arkansas and of the US, and you're running for President, yet you feel a need to lie to make yourself somehow look bigger/more important? Where does it end? When do the lies stop? Why should we believe anything that comes out of her mouth?

[frylock]

17. Her own words, not the words of the right-wing..

Deflect all you want, but there's documented video evidence of her making that statement.

[DCBob]

20. A exaggeration as I said above.

To make such a big deal out of it is akin to RW bashing.

[frylock]

21. Yes, just like "dead broke"

an exaggeration. Just like her new economic policy. An exaggeration.

[DCBob]

25. I dont hold things like that against people.

Its the human element. Bernie has said and written some dumb things in his past. I dont much care about that crap.

Hillary is a good decent person who I believe will be a very good President and she can win. That's the bottom line.

[mymomwasright]

29. The bottom line for you is that "She can win!"

Truth has no place in the decision of our leader?

[frylock]

68. it serves to underscore her phoniness imho

[LondonReign2]

96. How about using racist dog whistles against your black primary opponent?

Another thing we shouldn't hold against her?

[cherokeeprogressive]

39. Most uses of the term "RW bashing" are simply rhetorical devices used with the intent of shaming

someone into STFU. Man oh man is the frequency of their use being cranked up by Hillary Clinton supporters...

[winter is coming]

75. Not an exaggeration; a lie.

Saying you caught a bigger fish than you actually did is an exaggeration. Nonexistent sniper fire is a lie.

[Motown_Johnny]

87. This one is real, that is the problem.

It gives low information voters a reason to doubt her denials of the ones that are pure bull s*$#

[LWolf]

5. That's just embarrassing. nt

[Vattel]

6. Wow, the idea that her false narrative about Bosnia

indicates that she takes lightly life and death in a war zone is truly ridiculous.

[Maedhros]

11. "We came, we saw, he died" covers anything the Bosnia story misses. [n/t]

[Vattel]

14. Okay, I agree that that remark was really disturbing.

Does it indicate that she takes battlefield deaths lightly? Not really. Be that as it may, her record of support for immoral wars that kill lots of innocent bystanders is one big reason I favor Sanders.

[Maedhros]

24. Both the Bosnia and Libya comments

show me that Hillary likes to "play tough" for the armchair warriors, which disgusts me.

[tymorial]

53. lol

[peacebird]

77. Oh please, make this an OP! It is priceless!

[11cents]

8. This may be of interest

http://www.nationalmemo.com/when-the-media-play-by-clinton-rules

Specifically, this paragraph:

"To some degree, hard feelings are inevitable in politics. The Times has recently documented how successful
conservative groups such as Karl Rove’s American Crossroads are at planting anti-Clinton messages among
Democrats. That Hillary hater on Facebook may be a professional troll. They’re also spending big bucks on focus
groups, studying how to make the party’s likeliest nominee look like a gold-plated bitch come November 2016."

In any case, it's the "more in sorrow than in anger" tone that marks the post out as mendacious.

[mymomwasright]

10. Just so we're clear...

I am not a troll, as it is probably much to your chagrin. As a combat vet and reformed conservative of 15 years I support only the complete truth teller as I can best see in them. Liars and wishful thinking don't square with me. Have a nice day!

[Scuba]

19. Lame smear.

[JaneyVee]

22. bingo.

[Bobbie Jo]

57. Indeed. nt

[arcane1]

62. I think the point being made is there is a difference between planting bullshit and fact-checking

Entire fortunes have been built from planting bullshit about the Clintons, but these are her own words. She planted them.

While the majority of criticisms against the Clintons are bullshit, this is not one of them. How one feels about it is another story.

[peacebird]

78. Guess this means I'm legit, cuz my anti-HRC feelings are NOT "more in sorrow than in anger"

[JaneyVee]

15. Desperation.

[DanTex]

16. It's Hillary bashing time! Let the two minutes hate begin!

[mymomwasright]

18. When there is no defense, play the victim!

EOM

[JaneyVee]

23. Welp, that settles it. We're all voting for Trump.

[HassleCat]

28. Unfortunate but not terminal

Politicians "embellish" stories all the time. Some of them become politicians because they think of the way things should be, not the way they are. Reagan was the prime example. He would lapse into a dream state and tell bizarre stories at the drop of a hat. The best one was how he was present when US troops liberated a Nazi concentration camp. Politicians are always telling how they stuck up for a homeless person, helped an old lady cross the street, rescued a kitten from a tree. We let them get away with most of it, although I'm not sure we ought to. When it comes to wars, combat zones and military stuff, we get picky because we are gripped by this "hero" mentality. But don't get me started on that. I'm not sure this "sniper fire" thing is a big deal. It suggests Clinton is a typical politician, but that's about all I would read into it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Reagan said he was one of the concentration camp liberators...

Reagan said he was one of the concentration camp liberators when in reality he was a stateside officer making recruitment films.

[HassleCat]

36. I can't remember exactly what he said

He said he was there, although I don't remember him saying he was an actual participant. Either way, it's very, very strange.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. Voila

But Reagan’s fabrications also included whoppers about conflict zones reminiscent of those put forth by Williams and Clinton. During Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir’s November 1983 visit to the U.S., Reagan told Shamir that during his service in the U.S. Army film corps, he and fellow members of his unit personally shot footage of the Nazis’ concentration camps as they were liberated. Reagan would tell this story again to others, including Holocaust survivor Simon Wiesenthal. But Reagan was never present at the camps’ liberation. Instead, he spent the war in Culver City, California, where he processed footage from the liberation of the camps.

http://www.salon.com/2015/02/07/ronald_reagans_wartime_lies_the_president_had_quite_a_brian_williams_problem/

[mymomwasright]

42. Whaaaaa?

I'm not a big traitor Reagan fan, but was he on tape, all over the internet making these claims? Maybe I missed your point, are you saying every Commander in Chief deserves a pass if they make an over the top statement regarding a combat zone? You, right here, are defending a LIE! Not a "slip of the tongue".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. Huh, who, what...

I just cited the fact that Reagan said he was at the liberation of the death camps when he wasn't.

Politicians of all stripes, even some I admire, gild the lily.

And don't put words in my mouth...

[mymomwasright]

52. It was a question, not a statement...

EOm

[DemocratSinceBirth]

54. Two points...Three points, actually...

-I detested Reaganism
-Lots of politicians , even some I/we admire, like the current president and vice president, gilded the lily.
-The stolen valor argument is absurd.It's not like she gave herself a Purple Heart.

[madokie]

34. Unfortunate and Terminal is more like it

I'm a combat vet and I don't take too kindly to someone telling bullshit stories about what they did or didn't do.

[HassleCat]

41. Yeah, I know

I see your Vietnam Service Ribbon. My military experience was way, far away from combat. In fact, I got into a technical specialty to stay away from the shooting, because I knew I would step in front of one the first day. I heard so many sea stories I figured there was no point in trying to figure out who really did what. The clue that a big exaggeration was on the way was when some guy started a story with the phrase, "Hey. This is a no-shitter..."

[madokie]

47. The thing is

your service was as important as any of ours. It was you guys/gals who took care of us when we needed it or brought us the muchly needed supplies or hell even the letters from home that meant so much to us. For all that I thank you.
We were all in it together

[TheKentuckian]

71. Funny how when you are rich and powerful enough whole cloth lies are "an embellishment"

when a working class person would be hounded as a no account liar.

Which of your examples is on video and in recent memory being completely full of shirt about there little story and how is dodging sniper fire "helping a little old lady across the street"?

I'm thinking the puppy rescue story might not go as well if video evidence actually showed the fable maker to actually kick the ship out of Fido.

Absurdly poor judgment and relic mindedness to think such a whopper would not be definitely refuted in 24 hours. No, it is nothing in a practical sense as your examples, we can't flat out disprove them with the person's own words run over video backed up by living memory that no such thing happened. You think something like that involving someone of Clinton's exposure would be a complete non story? Please!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. Mercy kick and recommend

[Ino]

46. This is stolen valor...

not an exaggeration.
http://www.stripes.com/news/veterans/what-is-stolen-valor-1.107359

“Stolen Valor” is a term applied to the phenomenon of people falsely claiming military awards or badges they did not earn, service they did not perform, Prisoner of War experiences that never happened, and other tales of military derring-do that exist only in their minds.

Some phonies, with zero military experience, create their stories from whole cloth.
...
In the United States, thousands of cases have been documented in recent years in which judges, politicians, celebrities, veterans’ group officials, antiwar activists, other prominent persons and average citizens have been exposed for lying about their military record.

Some of them simply boast of their fictional exploits.

It is a LIE.

[arcane1]

63. I wouldn't go that far. Maybe more along the lines of Brian Williams.

[tymorial]

51. I did not consider this.

Thank you for reminding me of this incident. I can't imagine a commander and chief making up a story like this is going to play well with the troops.

[artislife]

56. What can you say?

Oh.


That's what you can say.

I shouldn't be surprised.

But look what it lead to: Brian Williams and his misspeak.

[appalachiablue]

79. Love the Sanderstorm! How can I get a link/copy, I don't know how to do that, low tech.

[artislife]

80. I got it in the Bernie forum

Go to the pinned thread that mentions Bernie logos.
Then go to last or near last post and you will see the Sanderstorm
put your cursor over the image
Left click
You will see a menu of options
click on save image as a url
Then

go to your profile
scroll down to your signature line
copy...it will look like a link

save

and then you will have it.

It seems strange to copy an image into a link but that is how you do it!

[appalachiablue]

82. Thanks so much for instrucs & reminding me of the great pinned logos. I mainly want to

send 'Sanderstorm' to contacts so I'll give it a go!

Got it! Some of these are so creative and wild. Love it! Haven't seen a "Bernami" yet, that will be smthg.!

[artislife]

83. You're welcome!

[restorefreedom]

58. i guess if we could live through

"sex fights cervical cancer," we can live through this. although i do think this has some relevance,as it sheds light on a candidate's feelings about war and combat

[MannyGoldstein]

60. Did Bernie invent that idea?

Or did it come from a peer-reviewed medical journal?

[restorefreedom]

65. i thought it was in some kind of journal

i do think someone's war "history" is important, but i really want to see where they differ economically. want some answers from hillary not more dancing.

[postatomic]

61. I still like Brian Williams

Being a "combat vet" did you ever fly and do a 'hot landing'? Scary shit. At least she's been to Bosnia. Oh, and when did trolling become an acceptable form of communicating?

People that aren't experienced "combat vets" like you would swear they were under attack during a 'hot landing'.

[Telcontar]

91. She landed with SINBAD on a USO tour!

Not seeing how that could possibly be interpreted as a "hot landing".

[postatomic]

93. Your response lacks any substance

...and is even a little comical. Have a nice life.

[Telcontar]

94. I apologize for exceeding your comprehensive ability

[Rosa Luxemburg]

64. I had forgotten all about this!

[Indepatriot]

66. MILLIONs of dollars will be spent airing the attack ads made from this one.

This goes straight to the core of "do you trust candidate X?"......no way we don't see this hundreds of times if she's the nominee. No bueno.

[Bjorn Against]

69. I fear you are correct, this is a much bigger problem for Hillary than many realize

Despite the fact that this was in the news previously I don't think very many people are aware that she made these claims and if she becomes the nominee I fear the Republicans will take her down with this. Most Republican acts are total bullshit so we can defend ourselves against them, but because Hillary was stupid enough to lie in front of the cameras we really don't have a good defense against this one. I seriously can not understand how people can consider her a good candidate, we really don't want her in the general election when she is carrying this sort of baggage.

[askew]

81. I've said before if I was the GOP, I'd just run the video of her insane lie

followed by video of her receiving flowers on the tarmac, followed by Sinbad who was on the same flight making fun of Hillary for lying and just ask "If she'd lie about something this trivial, what else is she lying about? Hillary can't be trusted." Over and over and over again. Her tendency to lie and exaggerate has gotten her in trouble throughout her entire career and I think it will be her undoing in the general election. Voters have to actually like the person they vote for president. They liked W. They liked Obama. They don't like Hillary. I don't see that changing unless Trump gets the nomination.

[Motown_Johnny]

86. the real problem is, this one isn't pure bull s#@*

which may trick some people into believing the ones that are.

[udbcrzy2]

67. She wasn't lying?

She was just making it up. I call that a lie and she didn't have to do it.

[En Garde]

70. Hillary is a shameless self-serving liar who will say anything to become President.

[Warren Stupidity]

72. this is a bullshit non issue. politics of sensationalism over issues.

It makes our political system suck, it makes DU suck, it is crap.

I'll take Sanders over Clinton any day ON THE ISSUES. I don't care about this bullshit.

[DVRacer]

73. As a veteran that was there!

This is the main reason I don't think I could ever vote for her. I was there in Bosnia at Camp Eagle in '95-'97 she lied no if's and or but's. I was injured durning that time and am disabled because of it.

[DVRacer]

76. My service record

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VF-84 TARPS
VF-41 TARPS
A/C Operations Detachment Keyhole satellite

I specialized in image interpretation and gave in the field real time updates.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TARPS

[Darb]

90. Posted a little too harshly without reading your other post.

I don't trust much these days and this type of shit makes me nuts.

Vote however you want to vote.

[NCTraveler]

74. Concern noted. nt.

[GeorgeGist]

85. Brian Williams was there.

[Motown_Johnny]

88. She was sleep deprived, while running that "3 am Phone Call" ad

Terrible candidate.

Just terrible.

[whatchamacallit]

92. Can you imagine if Bernie had told this self serving lie???

I'm sure Hillary supporters would be understanding of his human foibles and not go there.

[akbacchus_BC]

95. I agree with you, I would love the see the US have a woman President!

But she lied, she went along with the war mongers to invade Iraq and when she lied about being under sniper fire (Bosnia) not sure, and caught out that she lied, she went ballistic on President Obama, both she and her husband. Yet, he was kind to her and made her Secretary of State. I sorta feel that the Clintons are so into power that they would trample anyone to get back in the White House.

If Mr. Sanders is not gaining ground and O'Malley also not gaining ground, I am wishing that Mr. Biden steps in. If he does not, and Kuchinich (sp) nor Richardson step in, perhaps Mrs. Clinton will be inevitable. I hate liars, liars cannot be trusted plus she is for bankers and not for poor people. The only person who was for poor people was John Edwards and man, did he fuck up!