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BooScout

(10,406 posts)
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:09 AM Jul 2015

Explain to me how Bernie means to expand his base....

I get how he appeals to the 'progressive wing' of the Democratic Party.....but tell me how he is going to appeal to the moderate and middle of the road part of the Democratic party? How is he going to expand his base from some white 'progressive' voters to also include the middle and the African American and Latino voters? So far I've seen NADA that he is making inroads there. Tell me how Sanders plans to broaden his support.

Hillary already has a broad appeal to the Democratic voters, all of them except for the far left self identified progressives who somehow have the idea that the word LIBERAL is not good enough for them. So lay it on me, tell me how Bernie is gonna light a fire and make all of the party flock to him.

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Explain to me how Bernie means to expand his base.... (Original Post) BooScout Jul 2015 OP
He is a one dimensional "one size fits all" candidate. DCBob Jul 2015 #1
Yeah, Bernie appeals to just a few white progressives who want ponies and unicorns. Scuba Jul 2015 #2
in other words.... BooScout Jul 2015 #3
In other words, your OP is based on the false premise that Bernie doesn't already ... Scuba Jul 2015 #4
if the shoe fits.... BooScout Jul 2015 #5
Look you just played the race card again TM99 Jul 2015 #13
what.... BooScout Jul 2015 #21
Sanders does not have a problem with minorities. TM99 Jul 2015 #27
I see these as whistling past the graveyard posts. Hillary supporters are afraid. brewens Jul 2015 #53
The easily accessible polling data indicates otherwise. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #65
That post didn't say HE has a problem with minorities.... George II Jul 2015 #69
They like to pretend marym625 Jul 2015 #73
All very true! TM99 Jul 2015 #79
It is a wonderful idea! marym625 Jul 2015 #82
I will go back through my posts TM99 Jul 2015 #89
Stay cool! marym625 Jul 2015 #92
I'll have a report TM99 Jul 2015 #94
Now that's cool! marym625 Jul 2015 #95
See? You did it again. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #28
If an opinion isn't backed up by evidence mythology Jul 2015 #32
So the opinions of poc don't matter if they're not backed up by evidence? beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #33
Ummm, you have that exactly backwards. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #71
Not in my case, 1SBM. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #102
It's kind of fun to watch marym625 Jul 2015 #75
They think this is a game. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #104
+1000 marym625 Jul 2015 #105
That wasn't playing the "race card", it was just a sensible analysis of his support, or lack thereof George II Jul 2015 #66
I remember a time when liberals and this site's membership ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #72
Yes, me too. And there was a time when this site's membership respected ALL of the candidates... George II Jul 2015 #74
Republican Math + Unicorns = Bernie Math Walk away Jul 2015 #76
and didn't use the RW phrase Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #103
It was indeed the 'race card'. TM99 Jul 2015 #77
Your history/description of the party is laughable, especially when it comes R B Garr Jul 2015 #100
Sorry son, I was there. TM99 Jul 2015 #106
Socialist draft dodgers got nowhere near a national Presidential campaign. R B Garr Jul 2015 #107
Socialist draft dodger as opposed TM99 Jul 2015 #110
Bill Clinton was a two-term president. He actually had the chicklets R B Garr Jul 2015 #111
What silly comments. TM99 Jul 2015 #112
What is a joke is to say Sanders is a Revolutionary. R B Garr Jul 2015 #113
And while Clinton was getting babes TM99 Jul 2015 #114
Ah, yes, trot out the RW talking points about Clinton's p***s R B Garr Jul 2015 #116
I could give a shit if Clinton TM99 Jul 2015 #117
RW talking points are RW talking points. R B Garr Jul 2015 #118
Sorry to burst your bubble TM99 Jul 2015 #119
Congratulations on knowing what year the DLC was founded. R B Garr Jul 2015 #120
It was the Civil Rights movement that got him into politics tblue Jul 2015 #101
He may "appeal to a wide variety of the voting public" but not a BIG wide variety. George II Jul 2015 #59
Uh huh, and the thousands at his rallies are only there 'cause they're curious. Yeah, that's it. Scuba Jul 2015 #61
Yep - thousands go to see him, but he's still languishing between 15-20% in most polls George II Jul 2015 #64
Your insinuations are tiring ... Trajan Jul 2015 #85
Memes #1 and #2. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #6
so no answer from you either... BooScout Jul 2015 #7
It's not a question. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #9
ummmm BooScout Jul 2015 #10
Well right now I'm enjoying the smell of desperation in the morning. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #12
Since you are in the 'no answer' category... BooScout Jul 2015 #15
How cute, you think you're "conversing". beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #19
He got a better reception at La Raza than Hillary, more applause. But I guess "those" Latinos peacebird Jul 2015 #18
They don't count. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #23
How many more times is this debunked meme going to sufrommich Jul 2015 #26
Hillary was in a balbroom with 2000+ people. BS in a small room with 400 people lunamagica Jul 2015 #30
That is a major difference Gothmog Jul 2015 #91
Well, then, you should have no worries, mate! djean111 Jul 2015 #8
Yet another 'no answer' BooScout Jul 2015 #11
As a matter of fact, no one owes you an answer, and you don't really want one. IMO. djean111 Jul 2015 #14
See post 15.n/t BooScout Jul 2015 #16
See post #8. djean111 Jul 2015 #17
See post 13. See my previous post. I notice you quit responding whenever anyone gives an answer peacebird Jul 2015 #20
You didn't come for an honest answer. You came to stir shit. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #109
He is expanding his base to include people from multiple paths, not only Dems. peacebird Jul 2015 #22
Bernie is fine Cosmocat Jul 2015 #24
Your concern is noted. 99Forever Jul 2015 #25
Nope, Bernie's not for everyone. But if his support ends up being limited Proud Public Servant Jul 2015 #29
Yep. +1 GoneFishin Jul 2015 #35
When his positions on issues align with 70-75% of the nation, it's really just a matter HereSince1628 Jul 2015 #31
Liberals have thought that for 50 years and always been wrong. People don't vote based on policies Recursion Jul 2015 #34
His message resonates with average Americans whose wages have been flat for decades. He just GoneFishin Jul 2015 #36
By presenting an actual alternative to stuffed shirt corporate clowns. Warren Stupidity Jul 2015 #37
Rural white voters who are fed up with the republican party. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #38
Does Webb block him there to some extent? (nt) Recursion Jul 2015 #88
He should start by not shouting at us all. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #39
By getting the Based God endorsement. bobbobbins01 Jul 2015 #40
Bernie's doing just fine. Keep watching and you'll see. Autumn Jul 2015 #41
I agree. He has nothing to worry about. onehandle Jul 2015 #42
A pantsuit rainbow? hootinholler Jul 2015 #43
Ya like it? BooScout Jul 2015 #49
I love it. It's so apropos! hootinholler Jul 2015 #54
so start a petition to get me to change it then.... BooScout Jul 2015 #56
Why would I do that? hootinholler Jul 2015 #70
Almost but not quite. Autumn Jul 2015 #63
Perfect! 99Forever Jul 2015 #93
He is already doing it. mmonk Jul 2015 #44
My personal experience: Hepburn Jul 2015 #45
I love Bernie Sanders platform and glad that he is running as a Democrat otherone Jul 2015 #46
Social Media artislife Jul 2015 #47
I am a baby boomer... Hepburn Jul 2015 #48
I know! artislife Jul 2015 #50
I agree... Hepburn Jul 2015 #52
Why do you care? whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #51
That *is* amusing, isn't it? nt SusanCalvin Jul 2015 #55
+2 artislife Jul 2015 #81
+1 Scuba Jul 2015 #60
If Sanders can't win it's not really any of their concern is it? pa28 Jul 2015 #97
Already started with Hillary's help. daybranch Jul 2015 #57
I think he's pretty much maxed out George II Jul 2015 #58
Arizona has a semi-closed primary, TM99 Jul 2015 #62
And Wisconsin's primary is open. Go Bernie, Go! Scuba Jul 2015 #68
Bernie is still an unknown to many people. Vinca Jul 2015 #67
'Tell me how Sanders plans to broaden his support'->just look and see that he already is HFRN Jul 2015 #78
Exposure. The same thing that will spell the end for Hillary Clinton. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #80
Basic Democratic principes HassleCat Jul 2015 #83
Probably the same way any relatively unknown candidate expands their base, by campaigning. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #84
Wha? Oh yeah...like Bill had to do back in the day...nt artislife Jul 2015 #87
It's sort of weird. It's like the HRC supporters forget that there's a whole campaign season ahead. scarletwoman Jul 2015 #96
I think you hit on the head with your last sentence.....nt artislife Jul 2015 #98
He's doing it now. It is his message. It's happening while you say it wont happen. robinlynne Jul 2015 #86
Like any candidate, he'll be campaigning. A strong debate performance would mean a lot Recursion Jul 2015 #90
Why do you even care? You clearly have no intention of voting for him in the primary.. frylock Jul 2015 #99
When you put progressive wing in scare quotes, we're not even speaking the same language. AtheistCrusader Jul 2015 #108
You've gotten quite a few solid answers to your crappy OP, Ron Green Jul 2015 #115
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
2. Yeah, Bernie appeals to just a few white progressives who want ponies and unicorns.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:16 AM
Jul 2015

Yeah, that's it.

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
4. In other words, your OP is based on the false premise that Bernie doesn't already ...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:22 AM
Jul 2015

... appeal to a wide variety of the voting public.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
5. if the shoe fits....
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:26 AM
Jul 2015

He doesn't appear to have much support of the middle or of African Americans or Latinos that I have seen. If you can show me where that is incorrect, by all means do so.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
13. Look you just played the race card again
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:42 AM
Jul 2015

with regards to Sanders. How original.

Check out his reception at La Raza. Pay very close attention to this weekend in Arizona and then Texas. His support is growing weekly among AA as well.

There really isn't a 'middle' in the Democratic party. There is the majority traditional progressive Dems and then there is the center right New Dem wing. The New Dems are the minority NOT the majority. Clinton will appeal to them because she is one. Sanders will never appeal to them.

What you think you are calling 'middle' or moderate are Dems who want economic and social justice plus support the 2nd amendment. Well, we know that Sanders is moderate there so that's not an issue.

I am sure if you do some of your own research you will find other moderate stances that Sanders has no problem appealing to even while being the most progressive candidates this primary season.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
21. what....
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:53 AM
Jul 2015

Are we supposed to not mention minorities in any way here? So because I mention that Bernie is not gaining much support with minority voters I am playing the race card?

Are there some written rules on this somewhere so I can have them handy the next time I discuss an issue?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
27. Sanders does not have a problem with minorities.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:03 AM
Jul 2015

This meme gets fed here daily in spite of facts to the contrary.

Sure bring up this shit to your hearts content, but don't act innocent when called out on it by a POC.

brewens

(13,603 posts)
53. I see these as whistling past the graveyard posts. Hillary supporters are afraid.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:31 AM
Jul 2015

They just wish we had to make the call on our nominee right now before Bernie has a chance to gain more support. He seems to be doing a pretty fine job so far and we have a long way to go.

George II

(67,782 posts)
69. That post didn't say HE has a problem with minorities....
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:06 AM
Jul 2015

....it said that when it comes to voting for him minorities have a problem with choosing him over Hillary Clinton.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
73. They like to pretend
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:18 AM
Jul 2015

That because the polls show the same percentage of support with minority voters, as with voters overall, that he doesn't have support from minorities. They ignore the fact that his name recognition in those polls is low and that compared to the name recognition of other candidates, it's really not much less. They like to ignore the fact that as he becomes better known, his support, across the board, grows.

They also seem to think that the Black Caucus and black celebrity endorsements grow, so does his support, across the board.

They like to ignore any person of color that isn't a poster in the DU AA group. I think you pointed that out on another post

And they sure like to dismiss you and a couple other people here.

#FeelTheBern!

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
79. All very true!
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jul 2015

I have posted previously but perhaps I need to make an OP about this but polling and front-runnners in the Democratic Primary always shift around. There are stats and research on this for the last 40 plus years. I need to find that and post it.

I know it won't silence the bullshit but it might be interesting to those willing to actually look at numbers, stats, and predictability this early on in a primary season.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
82. It is a wonderful idea!
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jul 2015

Please do!

OK, a weird aside. It's hotter than hell here. It was over 100 yesterday and today is supposed to be worse (I don't have air conditioning) In the high 90s at 8am and the heat index just keeps climbing. Last I looked a few minutes ago, it was 105.

As I read your post, a beautiful, needed, wonderful, cool breeze blew through my apartment as I read your post.

Hmmmm! #FeelTheBern!

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
89. I will go back through my posts
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jul 2015

and find it this weekend.

I am going to be busy all day today for obvious reasons.

I will likely be exhausted on Sunday after being around such a crowd and in this heat here so hopefully Monday I will have it.

I love synchronicities.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
94. I'll have a report
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 12:06 PM
Jul 2015

but no photos.

I have electrolyte infused ice cold water bottles ready to go!

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
28. See? You did it again.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:06 AM
Jul 2015

You just dismissed the opinion of a poc because they said Bernie doesn't have a race problem.

It doesn't fit your narrative and all that matters to you is pushing that meme.

You really don't care what poc think if they don't support your candidate.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
32. If an opinion isn't backed up by evidence
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:32 AM
Jul 2015

and in fact the evidence says the opposite, it doesn't really matter who holds the opinion.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/us/politics/bernie-sanders-lags-hillary-clinton-in-introducing-himself-to-black-voters.html

Even his own campaign advisers acknowledge that Mr. Sanders is virtually unknown to many African-Americans, an enormously important Democratic constituency.

Hillary Rodham Clinton is working assiduously to cement her support among black voters. In an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll this week, 95 percent of nonwhite Democratic voters said they could see themselves supporting Mrs. Clinton for the nomination in the primary. Only about one-quarter of respondents said they could see themselves voting for Mr. Sanders.


http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/bernie-sanders-could-win-iowa-and-new-hampshire-then-lose-everywhere-else/

What’s received less attention is that Sanders has so far made very little traction with non-white Democrats. The most recent CNN poll found his support at just 9 percent among non-white Democrats, while the latest Fox News poll had him at only 5 percent among African-American Democrats. (Fox News did not provide crosstabs for Hispanics or other minority groups.)

Clinton performed well among Hispanic voters in 2008, and while her failure to win African-American votes was a central reason her campaign failed, she now has excellent favorability ratings among black voters that are nearly as high as Barack Obama’s. If Clinton begins to see her support erode among those groups, her campaign will have some real reason for concern. Otherwise, just as was the case throughout the 2008 campaign, the media will misconstrue voting patterns that occur because of demographics and attribute them to “momentum” instead.


None of this implies that Sanders can't win the minority vote, but that at the moment he is clearly behind Clinton with both Hispanics and blacks in the polling. The problem with that being is that the Obama coalition was mostly white liberals and black voters in the primary. If Sanders can't get that, he's going to have to make gains elsewhere to win the primary.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
33. So the opinions of poc don't matter if they're not backed up by evidence?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:35 AM
Jul 2015

Yep, that's exactly what I was talking about.

Good to know.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
102. Not in my case, 1SBM.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 03:49 PM
Jul 2015

I have read your posts and I know you're concerned that Bernie isn't addressing issues that are important to you.

Why can't HC supporters do the same when it comes to poc who support Sanders?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
104. They think this is a game.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 03:52 PM
Jul 2015

If they really cared about the issues that's what they'd be discussing.

Not taking cheap shots at Bernie supporters.

George II

(67,782 posts)
66. That wasn't playing the "race card", it was just a sensible analysis of his support, or lack thereof
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:05 AM
Jul 2015

George II

(67,782 posts)
74. Yes, me too. And there was a time when this site's membership respected ALL of the candidates...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:20 AM
Jul 2015

...and each other.

I'm afraid those days are gone.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
77. It was indeed the 'race card'.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jul 2015

I have seen it so many times here from Clinton supporters, it is not hard to recognize.

R B Garr

(16,957 posts)
100. Your history/description of the party is laughable, especially when it comes
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jul 2015

to Bernie. During the Clinton's heyday, when Bernie would have been laughed off the stage as a socialist draft dodger, Bill and Hillary were doing the heavy lifting in the Democratic party and were out in the trenches fighting the pot-smoking (Clinton inhaled!), draft dodger labels that Bernie now doesn't have to deal with.

The Clinton's were considered pretty radical during their earlier years. They were the ones who actually committed personal time and effort to overcome obstacles. Bernie is now riding the Clinton's coattails and reaping the benefit of their efforts. There's no reason he shouldn't have made a national run by now unless it was obvious there was no viable path for him because of how candidates are labeled. Don't confuse Bernie's opportunism to make false descriptions and revise history.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
106. Sorry son, I was there.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:23 AM
Jul 2015

Your's is the revision.

Clinton's coattails?!

Stop, you are killing me!

The only opportunists are the Clintons. I saw it in Arkansas. I saw it in the 1990's. I see it now today.

Go away with your bullshit revisions.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
110. Socialist draft dodger as opposed
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jul 2015

to what a serial womanizing, draft dodging, pot smoker?

Get over yourself conservadem!

R B Garr

(16,957 posts)
111. Bill Clinton was a two-term president. He actually had the chicklets
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:04 AM
Jul 2015

to take on the press and campaign while Bernie was hiding in Vermont. Bernie's been a Revolutionary -- for 30 years -- dontcha know. So revolutionary, he never bothered to pursue a national ticket because he was pandering to hunters/gun nuts in Vermont along the lines of the Sarah Palin types.


You get over yourself, too <childish name here>



R B Garr

(16,957 posts)
113. What is a joke is to say Sanders is a Revolutionary.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:12 AM
Jul 2015

He's been saying that since the early 70's. Meh.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
114. And while Clinton was getting babes
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 01:40 AM
Jul 2015

in Arkansas and Hillary was sitting on the board of Walmart, Sanders was supporting gender equality, LGBT civil rights, and he was working from the 1960's on for black civil rights as well.

A full year after entering the House and a full year before Clinton was elected he found the House Progressive Caucus.

Yeah, he is not revolutionary at all.

R B Garr

(16,957 posts)
116. Ah, yes, trot out the RW talking points about Clinton's p***s
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:36 AM
Jul 2015
Now I remember wasting time before with you over your deep moral (and real, too, I'm sure, LOL...) "concerns" over Clinton and the "babes," but you were silent about the morals of the silly impeachment posse who were exposed as philanderers by Larry Flynt. RW talking points are a waste of time and hypocritical.

And for the record, I only mentioned Sarah Palin and Bernie Sanders together because someone here still deeply upset from 2008 is spamming threads calling people PUMAS if they don't kowtow with the appropriate Sanders love. They were using RW talking points, too, about hunting/guns, and sounded just like Sarah Palin! You've gotta laugh at those who have to resort to RW talking points and tout Sara Palin to get some digs in about Hillary. Hilarious.

But back to your original party observations, if you didn't support Clinton in 1992/1998, I guess you voted for Bush...Dole? LMAO! Your Clinton hate started a little too early for it to be believable -- even before he took office... Things that make you go Hmmmm.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
117. I could give a shit if Clinton
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:43 AM
Jul 2015

had affairs.

I do care when pseudo Dems attempt to hold him up as a shining example of moral and political leadership. I could criticize many of his policies but we progressives have been doing that a lot recently. You can find those yourself.

I did not support Clinton in 1992 or 1998. I saw him for the New Dem he was.

Disliking a person's character and their governance is only hate to those with nothing but party loyalty to back up their cults of personality.

You have a real nice day.

R B Garr

(16,957 posts)
118. RW talking points are RW talking points.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:51 AM
Jul 2015

I doubt you saw a "New Dem" in 1992 or 1998. Those kinds of descriptions were barely in the lexicon at the time. What was in the lexicon at the time was that using the word "liberal" was an insult. A socialist was an absolute pariah. Draft dodgers were kicked to the curb, not even considered.

That's what was reality at the time that Clinton took those people on while Sanders obviously knew he had no chance and never bothered. That's why I'm saying he is benefitting now by the barriers that have been broken down for him. He certainly never left the comfort of his office or state to take break those down for himself. That's hardly a "revolutionary." I'm not saying he hasn't had a respectable career, but to be badgered with having to kowtow to his newly minted "champion' status, NO, he's not. He's more of an opportunist.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
119. Sorry to burst your bubble
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:03 AM
Jul 2015

but throwing around the tiresome it is a RW talking point just make you look like a teenage debater rooting for their home team.

Yes, some of us did see him. I met my first wife in Arkansas in the 1980's so I got have Clinton as my governor. You do know that the DLC was founded in 1985, right? Clinton was their first 'success story'. Prominent DLC members like Sam Nunn were heavily influential on Clinton's policies and governance. Remember a little thing called DADT?

Al Core was a young Rep and part of the DLC coalition as well. The DLC has been opposed to universal or single payer health care since its founding. After Jesse Jackson's progressive presidential run, they pushed the DNC hard to stop progressives where ever they could.

Sanders was supporting Jackson's bid in the 1980's and founded the Progressive Caucus in the 1990's. Sorry son, you are being fed a line of bullshit or pushing one trying to convince me or us here that Clinton is the progressive and Sanders is the opportunist. It is literally the exact fucking opposite.

R B Garr

(16,957 posts)
120. Congratulations on knowing what year the DLC was founded.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:20 PM
Jul 2015


And everything I mentioned pertained to Clinton's run for office, but I see you've added little ditty's about his time in office, which is not what I was mentioning. Nice shift.

There was no candidate history of "new democrats" because Republicans were in office so long. I doubt you hated Clinton because he was a newly minted "new democrat." Your Clinton hate is to revise history and retroactively apply it to what was happening at the time when it wasn't part of the lexicon. If anything, it was used to appeal to national voters because liberal was such a dirty word; remember?? The political landscape was that Republicans dominated because of "family values"; remember? And whatever their buzzwords were for a candidate's appeal all those years -- that is what candidates geared to; remember?

And of course Sanders has endorsed liberals/progressives! He's a socialist. Duh. But with 30 years public service, he's hardly a "revolutionary".

Your continued obsession with the RW talking points about Clinton's "babes" is really odd and revealing, especially at the time we're talking about 1992 and 1998. I'm sure you hate Clinton, but I doubt it's for the reasons you indicate here because those terms were not derisive at the time as they are thrown about today. Now using derisive terms gives folks some legit liberal cred, lol.

This is a waste of time with you. I've seen your posts to others here; I just forgot you were the one who was so concerned about Clinton's "babes" before and, of course..."morals". I'm not interested in your revisionist games.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
101. It was the Civil Rights movement that got him into politics
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 01:04 PM
Jul 2015

He worked with CORE and SNCC and was at the March on Washington with Dr. King. He's never wavered from those core values.

Once people learn this the people will come. Do not underestimate Bernie.

I'm black and I LOVE HIM!

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
61. Uh huh, and the thousands at his rallies are only there 'cause they're curious. Yeah, that's it.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jul 2015

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
15. Since you are in the 'no answer' category...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:45 AM
Jul 2015

I hope you don't mind if I move on from conversing with you to others in the queue. Thanks ever so much for taking the time to not give an answer though.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
19. How cute, you think you're "conversing".
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:50 AM
Jul 2015

Just adorable.

I guess if we didn't have anything positive to post about our guy we'd have no choice but to resort to stunts like this too.

Good thing our group is chock full of great threads just waiting to be recc'd onto the greatest.

I'm going to go rec a few just for you, BooScout.


peacebird

(14,195 posts)
18. He got a better reception at La Raza than Hillary, more applause. But I guess "those" Latinos
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:49 AM
Jul 2015

Didn't get the meme that "Latinos" must support Hillary....


beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
23. They don't count.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:57 AM
Jul 2015

HC supporters only value the opinions of poc who support HC.

They dismiss all the others.

Including the ones posting on DU.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
26. How many more times is this debunked meme going to
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:01 AM
Jul 2015

get played? Bernie Sanders wasn't even in the large conference room with the rest of the candidates at the conference.His campaign didn't respond to the invitation in time for him to be scheduled with the rest of the candidates.There is absolutely no credible evidence that he got "better reception at La Raza than Hillary" other than the breathless repetition of that comment on DU.

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
30. Hillary was in a balbroom with 2000+ people. BS in a small room with 400 people
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:26 AM
Jul 2015

This has been clarified over, and over again yet Bernie supporters keep banging it up. I guess they don't have anything better than this false meme.

AND, the Univision poll came out days later. 64% of Latinos for Hillary...

Gothmog

(145,415 posts)
91. That is a major difference
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jul 2015

I know from 2008 that Hispanic voters were supporting Hillary Clinton strongly in the Texas primary.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
8. Well, then, you should have no worries, mate!
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:35 AM
Jul 2015

Are you demanding an explanation because you are still deciding who to support?
Or is your question rhetorical in nature, perhaps very cleverly asked in order to introduce doubt to Bernie supporters?
Either way, your mind is made up, IMO, and you are just casually lobbing what you believe are disheartening little flares, thinking that this will somehow entice Bernie supporters to oh, just give up and support Hillary.

The debates and later polls and contributions will tell the tale. Early days yet.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
14. As a matter of fact, no one owes you an answer, and you don't really want one. IMO.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:43 AM
Jul 2015

The question is just rhetorical.
The closest thing to an actual answer is wait and see, but I suspect that is not what you want to happen.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
20. See post 13. See my previous post. I notice you quit responding whenever anyone gives an answer
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:51 AM
Jul 2015

that is contrary to your view.

Off you go.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
109. You didn't come for an honest answer. You came to stir shit.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:34 AM
Jul 2015

As one can easily see in how you framed your question, and the fear that led you to ask it.

if Bernie can't expand his base then you have nothing to worry about, and the primary will eliminate him.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
22. He is expanding his base to include people from multiple paths, not only Dems.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:54 AM
Jul 2015

He has support from veterans, GLBT, african americans, latinos, moderate republicans, progressives, young and old. Check out FB for the multitude of Bernie pages, or Reddit, or twitter....

Btw - nice desperation straw man you posted.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
24. Bernie is fine
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 07:58 AM
Jul 2015

He faces a true up hill battle, no pun intended.

I came into this behind Hill, but went to Bernie's corner pretty soon after he announced.

IMO, what he is saying and doing is pretty much spot on. If this country had a couple hundred more Bernies in DC we would be in a LOT better place.

Hill is good and bad for him - she provides a foil in the minds of disaffected progressives which is in part is driving his run, while at the same time is so strong as a candidate it provides a massive hurdle to overcome.

I think overall most Bernie supporters are probably OK, but here they do as much damage as good here.

I have one stalking me now, after telling me to just vote for Hill.

In order to win a nomination you need a BROAD coalition, and you aren't going to create that coalition screaming at people that they really aren't democrats if they don't plan to vote for your candidate.

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
29. Nope, Bernie's not for everyone. But if his support ends up being limited
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:25 AM
Jul 2015

to his target audience -- i.e., to the 80% of households whose wages have been flat since 1980 -- I'm guessing he's going to be just fine.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
31. When his positions on issues align with 70-75% of the nation, it's really just a matter
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:27 AM
Jul 2015

of getting known. And he's getting known, the "rumor" of a guy who is out there with a message that aligns with most Americans is drawing huge crowds.

Thing is, when such a flurry is going on around you, and not affecting you, you can look for a message. That message might involve in some way these two benchmarks...

That popular politician isn't doing anything to rock your boat and maybe never will, you see it as a short-coming in -his-message.

and

That message might show that -your- interests are out of synch with all those other people who are doing things that make the seemingly popular politician seem popular.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
34. Liberals have thought that for 50 years and always been wrong. People don't vote based on policies
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:39 AM
Jul 2015

If they did, we'd have Democrats at every level of government.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
36. His message resonates with average Americans whose wages have been flat for decades. He just
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:46 AM
Jul 2015

needs to keep doing what he is doing.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
38. Rural white voters who are fed up with the republican party.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:47 AM
Jul 2015

His message is tailored for them and resonates with them.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
39. He should start by not shouting at us all.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:50 AM
Jul 2015

Someone inform him that we don't all wear hearing aids.

bobbobbins01

(1,681 posts)
40. By getting the Based God endorsement.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 08:55 AM
Jul 2015

With the Based God on his side, the base has no choice but to bend to his will.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
42. I agree. He has nothing to worry about.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:43 AM
Jul 2015

There will no reason for him to worry about broadening his base.

None at all.

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
54. I love it. It's so apropos!
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:33 AM
Jul 2015

Especially how some of the colors aren't quite correct! Almost but not quite. It's fits her LGBT positions perfectly.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
56. so start a petition to get me to change it then....
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jul 2015

We certainly can't have a picture of Hillary in colorful pantsuits threatening people!

hootinholler

(26,449 posts)
70. Why would I do that?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jul 2015

I already said it is a perfect reflection of her LGBT positions over the years.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
45. My personal experience:
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:01 AM
Jul 2015

I am a senior and I live in a Senior (55+ years old) development. I also am in a law office, part time only, in the greater Los Angeles area -- civil, family and bankruptcy practices and a bit of probate and real estate law.

Particularly to seniors (us now gray-haired Baby Boomers), Bernie is particular appealing on all SS and education funding -- read deserving grandchildren. He also is seen as one of us...by all ages groups with which I have interaction. He is "everyman" and I have not heard one bad word about him other than from nutcake repukes and those of the RR.

BTW: I like Hillary...I just like Bernie better.

otherone

(973 posts)
46. I love Bernie Sanders platform and glad that he is running as a Democrat
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:03 AM
Jul 2015

As long as he keeps putting a clear vision for the future out there, he will grow his base.
Perhaps the days of politics as usual are drawing to a close..

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
47. Social Media
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:10 AM
Jul 2015

Newest viral FB

*whipers* If the majority of the millenials vote for Bernie Sanders in the Presidential election,
he will win by a landslide. Pass it on


Remember, we outnumber the baby boomers



This sparks a hope that the once minority is actually the majority and there is a chance to change the system.


These kids make stars out of nothing, just by tweeting, sharing and meeting up. I don't think the way we measure "could be " voters exist.
You may argue that they don't vote.

Well, now that they have enough voices to outdrown the boomers, they might be willing to go. They are political already.



Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
48. I am a baby boomer...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jul 2015

...and from what I have seen from people in my generational group, Bernie is the choice unless one is a RW Repuke and/or of the RR ilk. In fact, most "elderly" moderate Repubs are supporting him far and away over the any of those in the Repuke Clown Car.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
50. I know!
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:18 AM
Jul 2015

I got this from my 67 year old client who I was sure would vote for H.


She has started sharing Bernie post..She donated a lot of money to the DNC, but last year decided to stop. She told me she would just support candidates she favored.

I know this because I help get all her papers together for taxes.

I really do believe that there isn't polling in place to actually see the landscape. I think the structure isn't modern.

Bernie really has a great chance.





Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
52. I agree...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:30 AM
Jul 2015

...I don't know one senior who is not supporting Bernie, except (like I said) those who are totally RW and those totally of the RR.

Edit for typo

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
51. Why do you care?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:20 AM
Jul 2015

HRC supporters sure spend a lot of time obsessing over a guy they're sure has a snowball's chance in hell.

pa28

(6,145 posts)
97. If Sanders can't win it's not really any of their concern is it?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jul 2015

Yet somehow they seem VERY concerned.

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
57. Already started with Hillary's help.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:53 AM
Jul 2015

Bernie is talking to the progressives- which by and large are the workers in the democratic party. He is creating more democrats among the young and from third parties and independents. So people who work for Bernie are fired up about the major issues of the day- Citizens United, low tax rates and large deductions for the bilionaires and millionaires, protection of the environment, and the use of police to restrain people of color in a variety of ways. When fired up, they work harder.

Hillary asks us to accept her as preordained leader. That is insulting. She also is very very divisive in her clamor to divide women from men. No matter her willingness to talk about family, her failure to even mention men and sons in her Iowa speech, I found very revealing. As a father who worked so his daughter could be all she could be, I feel I have a right to be offended. Hillary is already seen as always looking to appeal to various groups with her check off speeches. She talks a lot of middle class but she spends no time in defining what really has caused the working families in this country to slide economically. She spouts support of unions but forgets to mention her husbands support of NAFTA, that great destroyer of Unions. She spouts a few words about Wall Street and banks, but neglects to support Glass-Stiegall in order to protect the people from the disasters aided by her husband and inflicted on our people. She supports TTP in opposition to union views and her failure to fully support the Iran agreement belies her real loyalty to AIPAC.
I guess people really have a problem believing that Hillary a member of the 1 percent will abandon her economic class and her rich donors to fight for the people.I do not believe she is even against Citizens United which certainly takes her out of sharing our views as believers in democracy. I see Hillary as a deal maker. She is wiling to do some stuff to get elected but go against the status quo. Not so much.
Even without Bernie , we would have O Malley. Hillary is not being attacked because she is the front runner. She is failing because she is out of touch with the people and her large donors must be supported. For my view, I like Bernie, I like O Malley. I do not like Hillary. Many feel the same. Go Bernie!!!

George II

(67,782 posts)
58. I think he's pretty much maxed out
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:58 AM
Jul 2015

Oh sure, he'll still get big turnouts at his rallies, but I suspect a lot of that is because of the curiosity factor.

8,500 or even 10,000 in Phoeniz isn't going to win the Arizona delegates and most certainly isn't going to put Arizona in the Democratic column next November.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
62. Arizona has a semi-closed primary,
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:03 AM
Jul 2015

so others beside the party faithful and yes even GOP cross-overs can and do vote.

I live here. This kind of turn-out for a Democratic candidate is unprecedented. You might dismiss his surging popularity. I do not.

Vinca

(50,299 posts)
67. Bernie is still an unknown to many people.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:05 AM
Jul 2015

As soon as they hear him, he strikes a chord. I think he expands his base by continuing to deliver his message. Something is happening because he's gaining in polls rather dramatically. Even people who don't vote for Bernie have to appreciate his sincerity and passion. He speaks from the heart rather than the script (Hillary's biggest problem).

 

HFRN

(1,469 posts)
78. 'Tell me how Sanders plans to broaden his support'->just look and see that he already is
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:30 AM
Jul 2015

your question presumes facts not in evidence

also, that we owe you an explanation for our support of any particular candidate

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
80. Exposure. The same thing that will spell the end for Hillary Clinton.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:32 AM
Jul 2015

It's quite simple, really. People who hear Bernie's message come to like him the more they hear him speak. It's the opposite with Hillary Clinton. The more she speaks, the more people are reminded of what they don't like about her.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
83. Basic Democratic principes
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jul 2015

(sigh) I realize Sanders, like me, is old fashioned when it comes to basic Democratic principles. He feels the working class and middle class need help in catching up with the investor class. He believe the power of government should be used to defend working class and middle class citizens against abuses by financial institutions, the health insurance racket, etc. He plans to expand his base by selling these notions, progressive notions, to the voters. He plans to show them weak liberalism does not serve them adequately in the post-Reagan, deregulated environment we have now.

It is, just as you say, a tough sell. After 30 years of propaganda and false prosperity, Americans are accustomed to the status quo, and uncomfortable with actual reform. They prefer a slightly watered won version of idiot, free market capitalism, even if it diminishes the quality of their lives. You're right. "Liberal" is good enough for most people. Eventually, that will not be the case. Eventually, people will wake up to the fact that what we call "liberalism" right now is serving other interests than their own, at their expense. Maybe that day is here. Probably not, but we're making a run at it.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
84. Probably the same way any relatively unknown candidate expands their base, by campaigning.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jul 2015

HRC started with national name recognition already taken care of. Sanders and O'Malley and any other declared candidates have to work at it. That's what campaigning is for, it's not a mystery.

So, a candidate's campaign either works or it doesn't. If their campaigning works, their voter base expands. It's a matter of utilizing time and travel and word of mouth getting their message out.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
96. It's sort of weird. It's like the HRC supporters forget that there's a whole campaign season ahead.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jul 2015

Sanders announced less than 2 months ago. It's not like he's about to run out of time to build support, the first Democratic Primary isn't until next February. The Democratic National Convention is over a year from now (July 25-28, 2016).

The campaign clock isn't going to stop running for a while yet, although it seems like they wish it would.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
90. Like any candidate, he'll be campaigning. A strong debate performance would mean a lot
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jul 2015

Also an upset in either Iowa or New Hampshire would be huge in terms of coverage -- though a downside of having such a rapid early rise is that he can't pull a Bill Clinton and spin 2nd place in NH as "The Comeback Kid".

frylock

(34,825 posts)
99. Why do you even care? You clearly have no intention of voting for him in the primary..
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jul 2015

and you're convinced that he has no shot of beating Clinton. So why continue to bring this up? Just relax, and be assured that your candidate has this thing in the bag.

Ron Green

(9,823 posts)
115. You've gotten quite a few solid answers to your crappy OP,
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:36 AM
Jul 2015

preventing this thread from being pure bullshit.

People of all sorts respond to the truth of Bernie's message. He's still given short shrift by media hacks, so the stupid game of polls and PR belongs to the conventional candidates, including Hillary and the Clown Car, while Bernie builds grassroots awareness.

If the game is to be changed, Bernie's base will expand sufficiently for his election. If the game is not changed, then we're screwed.

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