2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton said it. Black lives matter. No hedge.
I'm posting the entire article, to truncate it with just the link does not do it justice. She understands it, and she WILL do something about it once she's elected President.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/07/20/hillary-clinton-said-it-black-lives-matter-no-hedge/
Hillary Clinton said it. Black lives matter. No hedge.
By Janell Ross July 20 at 5:17 PM
She said it. She really did. Actually she typed it. But still, there was no hedge.
In a live Facebook Q&A set up primarily for average people interested in asking Hillary Clinton questions, some reporters popped in too. Ok, a lot of reporters popped in, since Clinton hasn't exactly been too open about taking questions from reporters. Among the online attendees was the Post's own, Wesley Lowery. Lowery asked Clinton this question and got this response:
"Black lives matter." With those three little words, Clinton acknowledged that there are myriad ways that race continues to shape life in America that have almost no relationship to pocketbooks, educational credentials or class. There's ample evidence that income, education and the like do not deliver the same results in black lives that they do in others.
After three successive summers filled with news about the nation's rocky racial landscape, it's probably fair to say that at least some of the people running for office in 2016 expect questions about the way the police do their work and how the country responds when something goes wrong.
But for a group of activists who first organized loosely online under the hashtag #blacklivesmatter in the hours after a jury acquitted George Zimmerman on all charges in the death of unarmed, black teen, Trayvon Martin, just getting someone in the 2016 field -- especially the heavy favorite to be the Democratic nominee -- to acknowledge that black lives are in particular peril is pretty huge.
Of course, the journey from point A to point B has not been anything close to easy.
In June, Clinton went to a Missouri forum, held in a church not far from the place where another unarmed black teen was shot and killed by a police officer whom a grand jury later opted not to indict. At the time, she said this: "All lives matter.
It was, whether intentional or not, the phrase to which opponents of the Black Lives Matter movement have most often turned.
Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, has offered up his own assessment of the singular way that race shapes policing in the United States and the relationship between economic isolation and continued racial inequality.
But Sanders has also used that same phrase, "All lives matter," when pressed. And, this weekend, when activists in Phoenix deeply concerned with the way that police do their work in communities of color stormed into a liberal gathering, Sanders wasn't as forceful on the issue as Clinton.
"Black lives of course matter," he said. "But I've spent 50 years of my life fighting for civil rights. If you don't want me to be here, that's okay."
His I'll-just-take-my-ball-and-go-home comment, his irritated body language and decision to speak over protesters didn't do him any favors. There was no pivoting to his ideas around police or criminal justice reforms.
Apparently, all that wasn't enough to encourage former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley to shift course. In fact, O'Malley said this at the same gathering: "Black lives matter. White lives matter. All lives matter." He later apologized.
So, Hillary Clinton, habitual avoider of direct contact with reporters has said on the record: "Black lives matter." She didn't add qualifiers. She didn't hedge. That is indeed a moment worth noting.
And, perhaps a moment that came in the nick of time. Black Lives Matter groups from around the country are set to convene in Cleveland this weekend to talk tactics, platform and strategy.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)She did speak at a party function that flies the banner of a slave owner and an Indian traitor. How regressive can one get?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251463620
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Jackson hell no, never.
Why do you consider yourself so big as to tell me who'd I vote for? Is this a propensity of yours to go around trying to read people's minds and deciding what they should do? I think it is. How authoritarian of you.
But then maybe you just made a claim that you would vote for a slave owner, and an Indian traitor, tomorrow, if given the chance?
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Now, you'll pretend you already knew this but because you lacked the knowledge of the JJ Dinner, it's unlikely you know this.
The term 'yellow dog' was coined by Abe Lincoln, ridiculing those who made Jackson president...twice.
It became popular in the 1920s, in the SOUTH, denoting someone who would vote for the Democrat no matter what.
You're welcome.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Rather than any modern republican.
But I damn sure would not in any shape or form go to any damn dinner with traitor Jackson's name on top. But you don't seem a bit concerned? Even go so far as to actively condone such a regressive thing?
I never knew the reason for the coining of "yellow dog democrat" but I sure knew what Jackson did to the Native Americans. And that Jefferson was a slave owner. Not much I could do about them, but I can sure feel sick over what the party does today.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)Apparently, many of Bernie supporters just hate Jefferson now! Do you hate Washington too? I honestly don't think that is helping build your candidate's creds at all but, who knows? Maybe calling out Jefferson and Jackson will get your average Democrat to vote for BS!
Double down and try smearing Hillary with all of the Founding Fathers and past POTUS! That should really help to GOTV for "The Bern"!!!!!
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I guess we should be in favor of the civil war, given your thinking?
I'm not worried about Bernie's creds. I am worried about how Black people are treated, along with many other societal and economic problems. Unlike some, I can campaign and not lose sight of the other issues. This idea that we, as Democrats, honor a person such as Jackson in this modern era, is way too regressive, meaning not progressive at all.
I detect a bit of leaning for Hillary coming from you. Let me just state that it does not bode well for her that any of her supporters is in favor of hiding the past and pretending it never happened.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Talk about rewriting history!
You might want to get that "Hillary isn't as pure as BS because she think George Washington was a pretty good founding father and Jefferson should be erased from history too" group. How about a FaceBook page! That should seal the deal for Bernie!
You BS folks would demonize cream cheese if Hillary put it on her bagel! It's not working very well. Check the polls (not the ones on DU)....it's slowing down to a crawl.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)In a fruitless effort to protect Hillary, you smear the whole BLM idea.
Jackson, nor Jefferson, believed Black lives mattered.
We, as a party, should not be holding them up as leaders to be followed.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)So what you are saying is Hilary had a few days to talk to her campaign manager, and decide what to say, perhaps after checking out which way the wind is blowing.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)She was the one who first got into trouble for saying "All lives matter". She has since refined her approach.
It is really amazing how the pro-Hillary propaganda machine is working these days.
apnu
(8,759 posts)... maybe the protests are getting through to the candidates.
Either way its a win.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)...so it doesn't count.
The whole "Hillary gets a free pass on everything" thing gets more bizarre by the day. The hypocrisy is just stunning.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)She paid attention to what people wanted from their candidate for President and made a mature decision to give it to them. This is politics and if you don't have skills then you are not going to get elected or get anything done.
There is no magic wand to solve the problems raised by Black Lives Matter but it helps if you a least acknowledge that they have a point and what it is.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)before she announced for President
Clinton also addressed the recent protests that have raged across the country, and drew links between violence at home and abroad.
She declared, "yes, black lives matter," a mantra of demonstrators around the country who have been protesting recent grand jury decisions not to indict white police officers involved in the deaths of unarmed black men in Ferguson, Missouri, and in New York.
She wondered what Kennedy would say about "the thousands of Americans marching in our streets demanding justice for all," and "the mothers who've lost their sons."
"What would he say to all those who have lost trust in our government and our other institutions, who shudder at images of excessive force, who read reports about torture done in the name of our country, who see too many representatives in Washington quick to protect a big bank from regulation but slow to take action to help working families facing ever greater pressure," Clinton said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/16/hillary-clinton-torture-blacks_n_6338154.html
5. Clinton uses her platform
In a surprise move late last year, current presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton became the most high-profile American politician to say "Black lives matter." In April, shortly after she announced her campaign for the presidency, Clinton said the nation needed to face "hard truths about race and justice," specifically police reform, the disproportionate practice of killing unarmed black people at the hands of police and mass incarceration.
"Without the mass incarceration that we currently practice, millions fewer people would be in poverty," she said, according to ThinkProgress. "You cannot talk about smart policing and reforming our justice system without talking about what's needed to improve economic opportunity, better educational chances for young people, more support to families so they can do the best jobs they are capable of doing to help support their own children."
http://mic.com/articles/122164/this-is-what-the-blacklivesmatter-founders-want-you-to-know-on-the-movements-anniversary
Cha
(297,774 posts)Thank you for the link, Don
arcane1
(38,613 posts)A moment that came by choice, and only after her opponents were heckled and had responded.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)No hedge, just a delay while she glanced at the weathervane.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)I guess the AP, Huffington Post and CNN are in the tank too, huh?
Posted: 12/16/2014 11:41 pm EST Updated: 02/15/2015 5:59 am EST
Clinton also addressed the recent protests that have raged across the country, and drew links between violence at home and abroad.
She declared, "yes, black lives matter," a mantra of demonstrators around the country who have been protesting recent grand jury decisions not to indict white police officers involved in the deaths of unarmed black men in Ferguson, Missouri, and in New York.
She wondered what Kennedy would say about "the thousands of Americans marching in our streets demanding justice for all," and "the mothers who've lost their sons."
"What would he say to all those who have lost trust in our government and our other institutions, who shudder at images of excessive force, who read reports about torture done in the name of our country, who see too many representatives in Washington quick to protect a big bank from regulation but slow to take action to help working families facing ever greater pressure," Clinton said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/16/hillary-clinton-torture-blacks_n_6338154.html
5. Clinton uses her platform
In a surprise move late last year, current presidential hopeful Hillary Rodham Clinton became the most high-profile American politician to say "Black lives matter." In April, shortly after she announced her campaign for the presidency, Clinton said the nation needed to face "hard truths about race and justice," specifically police reform, the disproportionate practice of killing unarmed black people at the hands of police and mass incarceration.
"Without the mass incarceration that we currently practice, millions fewer people would be in poverty," she said, according to ThinkProgress. "You cannot talk about smart policing and reforming our justice system without talking about what's needed to improve economic opportunity, better educational chances for young people, more support to families so they can do the best jobs they are capable of doing to help support their own children."
http://mic.com/articles/122164/this-is-what-the-blacklivesmatter-founders-want-you-to-know-on-the-movements-anniversary
arcane1
(38,613 posts)DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Pretty stupid reporter if you ask me.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)I think Bernie and Martin should have been ready for this issue because both of them have had very serious questions raised about racial issues in regards to all the black killings by police and other abuses.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)When I saw the exchange on Facebook as it was happening, I assumed it was being asked by some random supporter. I thought that was the whole point of the Q&A- to take questions from supporters/voters.
They handed it to her on a silver platter.
still_one
(92,433 posts)moondust
(20,014 posts)With actions if not words.
Not that that matters, of course.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Not because other people wouldn't like to post whole articles, or other threads wouldn't be better served by it.
London Lover Man
(371 posts)Used a Las Vegas Review Journal as a basis of copyright trolling against DU - at the end, Righthaven folded and eventually went out of business.
But it cost them, even DU's case was taken upon by the righteous folks at EFF.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Let's hope it does not involve shouting each other down. I'd go, but I'm driving down to Geneva for some Higgs Boson Blues ...
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)Nicely stage crafted.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)leveymg
(36,418 posts)This is deeply disturbing but fascinating. Like Shock and Awe
earthside
(6,960 posts)Hillary Clintons All Lives Matter Remark Stirs Backlash
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/24/hillary-clintons-all-lives-matter-remark-stirs-backlash/?_r=0
This has got to rate as one of the most inane political controversies of all time.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Coming together in unity, word's that speak to unity, like 'ALL' are what we expect. we know the paradigm and we're comfortable with it. Black leaders like Jesse Jackson built careers around 'coalitions', which is also part of the unity narrative.
But, when you advocate for a specific problem that effects a specific population, solutions with 'all' don't necessarily look so good.
Certainly ALL lives matter, yet, Black lives are under extraordinary assault.
I don't see it as inane so much as language use that is outside the usual, and outside of the box that is the paradigm typically endorsing belief that words of unity and solidarity are good.
ecstatic
(32,737 posts)is something I've taken issue with long before he entered the race. I've always sensed a sort of shut up and "get off my lawn" attitude when it comes to any topic that is outside of Bernie's script. He wants us to focus on economics only-- forget about all the social/cultural distractions. Easy to do when you're a white guy, btw.
As always, just want to make it clear that I'm supporting whoever the nominee is and I think he'd do a good job as president. He's just going to have a difficult time becoming the nominee with that (not so charming) attitude.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)I watched the entire video and didn't get that impress. But then again, I don't have an agenda.
George II
(67,782 posts)....a cranky old man.
For the record, I'm an old man, too.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)That's why I pointed it out, thank you.
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)And that this is what you have to say. "Cranky old man....."
Don't thank me.
Just sad.
William769
(55,148 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)"So, Hillary Clinton, habitual avoider of direct contact with reporters has said on the record: 'Black lives matter.' She didn't add qualifiers. She didn't hedge. That is indeed a moment worth noting."
Wow, what a profile in courage. No wonder she braved sniper fire in Bosnia.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Believe, doesn't change the facts. A big scramble to get out ahead of Hillary and still facts show she is still. I m sure it is hard to eat dust.
Gothmog
(145,631 posts)All Black Lives Matter
KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)*THAT* is the next question BLM asked the other candidates.
I see ZERO actions stated that back up those 3 words in the article.
frylock
(34,825 posts)that contributed greatly to the increased incarceration rates of black men. What more do you people want?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)2 days later. Not in front of a confrontational audience. Stop trying to make this about which candidate is winning this. It's not a fucking political football.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Herman4747
(1,825 posts)tazkcmo
(7,303 posts)I guess it's possible her keyboarding skills are so poor it took her 2 days to type the response.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)And was it before or after she said "all lives matter"?
askew
(1,464 posts)Unless, of course, it is a positive for Hillary. That's what her supporters keep saying anyways.