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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 06:58 AM Jul 2015

As honest and trustworthy as Donald Trump

Hillary Clinton has a problem. In a new Quinnipiac University national poll, more than one in three voters say that the most important trait they are looking for in a 2016 candidate is being "honest and trustworthy." Almost six in ten of those polled said that Hillary Clinton lacks those two traits.

Uh oh.

Clinton's problems with the honest/trustworthy question is not new. As I wrote back in April:

There's a widespread belief in her capability to do the job she is running for. There's also widespread distrust in her personally. People admire her but don't know if she's honest.

The Q poll trend line shows a steady line of distrust towards Clinton. In May 39 percent of people said she was honest and trustworthy. In April that number was 38 percent. And, before you dismiss Clinton's honesty issue as simply the carping of Republicans, look inside the Q numbers. Just 31 percent of independents describe her as honest and trustworthy while 62 percent say she is not. One in five Democrats (19 percent) say Clinton is not honest and trustworthy(!).

Need more evidence of how bad Clinton's numbers are on the honesty question? She and Donald Trump have nearly identical ratings on it. Thirty-three percent said Trump was honest and trustworthy, while 58 percent said he wasn't. Trump's numbers among independents (33 honest/58 not) are actually slightly better than Clinton's.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/30/voters-want-someone-who-is-honest-and-trustworthy-in-2016-they-dont-think-thats-hillary-clinton/?tid=sm_tw

I know ... washington post...... polls are meaningless...... yada..yada yada.

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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
2. Maybe they have similar ratings because they're more similar than we know.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 07:54 AM
Jul 2015

They only mentioned it in passing, when talking about the 'Trump' focus group, but the Mojoke crowd mentioned that the focus group didn't get upset that Trump has donated to Hillary Clinton in the past, that she attended at least one of his weddings, and that they pal around more than we might think, all millionaires and billionaires together. Didn't bother the focus group, but I find it bothersome.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
4. Watching that focus group of Republicans talk about Trump, the main thought that came to me was
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:10 AM
Jul 2015

'It didn't take anywhere near 500 years to arrive at Idiocracy.'

Vinca

(50,312 posts)
6. I was watching more of it a few minutes ago and I mentioned to my husband that the really scary part
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:22 AM
Jul 2015

is that these are the Republicans who are able to string words together and make a sentence. By the way, I just learned their second favorite choice is Ben Carson.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
5. Years of relentless lying and coverage of the lying by the media will take a toll....just as
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:12 AM
Jul 2015

relentless fawning and deflection from truth will help anyone, even anyone as idiotic as Trump, isn't that the one and only obvious conclusion?

Given the history, the numbers holding up for Clinton as they have are rather remarkable and an a sign of solid foundational support.

Remember?

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
7. solid foundational support.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:48 AM
Jul 2015
Hillary Clinton rakes in money from fossil fuel interests


Hillary Clinton is getting a lot of money from fossil fuel executives and lobbyists acting as bundlers (fundraisers who collect donations) who represent fossil fuel companies. (She also has lobbyist bundlers who represent other environmentally challenged corporations like Monsanto.)

Here’s just a partial list of the fossil fuel–friendly bundlers who raised money for Clinton from April through June:

ExxonMobil executive Theresa Mary Fariello raised $21,200. ExxonMobil is the world’s largest oil and gas company, and it has a particularly ugly history of funding climate change denial. It is also eager to exploit oil reserves in delicate regions such as the Arctic, despite its responsibility for the most devastating Arctic oil spill in history.


Brian Wolff, executive vice president at the Edison Electric Institute, a utility company trade association, came up with $26,600. EEI opposes and lobbies against the EPA’s Clean Power Plan to limit CO2 emissions from power plants, the centerpiece of President Obama’s Climate Action Plan.

The power-plant regulations are essential for the U.S. to meet its emission-reduction targets under the Copenhagen Accord and to live up to the promises it is laying out in advance of U.N. negotiations in Paris this December. Clinton has pledged to protect the Clean Power Plan regulations.

Heather Podesta and Tony Podesta have raised $31,150 and $74,575, respectively. The power ex-couple are big-shot Democratic lobbyists. Tony’s brother John is Clinton’s campaign chair and former White House chief of staff to Bill Clinton. Even though John Podesta is considered a climate hawk, Tony and his ex-wife Heather represent fossil fuel companies. Heather’s recent past clients include Marathon Oil and Bill Koch’s Oxbow Carbon, a coal giant, and from 2004 to 2006 she lobbied for Koch Industries. Tony lobbied for BP in the wake of its disastrous Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion, and through last year he represented Golden Pass, a company co-owned by ExxonMobil and Qatar Petroleum that wants to export liquefied natural gas. To be fair, they also work on behalf of renewable fuel companies — Tony represents SolarReserve, a solar power company, and Heather lobbies for the ethanol industry. You might call the Podestas the very embodiment of the Obama/Clinton “all of the above” energy policy.


Scott Parven and Brian Pomper, lobbyists for Chevron, bundled $24,700 and $29,700 for Clinton, respectively. Their work includes opposing the Clean Power Plan controls that Clinton supports, and protecting the tax breaks for oil companies that Clinton has previously called for eliminating.

One of Hillary’s top fundraisers, Gordon Giffin, is a former lobbyist for TransCanada, the company pushing to build the Keystone XL pipeline.
That’s just a sampling.

As the Huffington Post reports, “Nearly all of the lobbyists bundling contributions for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s campaign have at one time or another worked for the fossil fuel industry.”

http://grist.org/climate-energy/hillary-clinton-rakes-in-money-from-fossil-fuel-interests/


A solid foundational support, I agree

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
8. This is a fair point - I am supporting Bernie Sanders, but . . .
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 08:54 AM
Jul 2015

. . . you can't reasonably argue that Hillary Clinton hasn't been vetted; she is a strong candidate, and it's hard to believe that there are any lines of attack our republican friends haven't tried on her.

Bryant

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,714 posts)
9. If somebody believes Hillary Clinton is going to allow Republicans to push her around ...
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:12 AM
Jul 2015

If somebody believes Hillary Clinton is going to allow Republicans to push her around in the general election they are sodden. The Clintons give better than they get...

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
10. Exactly - the counterpoint to that is - that they aren't going to be pushed into taking an
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 09:14 AM
Jul 2015

aggressive stand towards Wall Street - they know who their friends are.

Bryant

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