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Related: About this forumCables Show Hillary Clinton's State Department Deeply Involved in Trans-Pacific Partnership
http://www.ibtimes.com/cables-show-hillary-clintons-state-department-deeply-involved-trans-pacific-2032948Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Thursday attempted to distance herself from the controversial 12-nation trade deal known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. During her tenure as U.S. secretary of state, Clinton publicly promoted the pact 45 separate times -- but with her Democratic presidential rivals making opposition to the deal a centerpiece of their campaigns, Clinton now asserts she was never involved in the initiative.
"I did not work on TPP," she said after a meeting with leaders of labor unions who oppose the pact. "I advocated for a multinational trade agreement that would 'be the gold standard.' But that was the responsibility of the United States Trade Representative."
But at a congressional hearing in 2011, Clinton told lawmakers that "with respect to the TPP, although the State Department does not have the lead on this -- it is the United States Trade Representative -- we work closely with the USTR." Additionally, State Department cables reviewed by International Business Times show that her agency -- including her top aides -- were deeply involved in the diplomatic deliberations over the trade deal. The cables from 2009 and 2010, which were among a trove of documents disclosed by the website WikiLeaks, also show that the Clinton-run State Department advised the U.S. Trade Representatives office on how to negotiate the deal with foreign government officials.
In recent months, labor, environmental, public health and consumer advocacy groups have campaigned against the TPP, saying the pact is a stealth attempt by corporations to tilt the rules of international commerce in their favor. They have specifically criticized provisions in the deal -- which are secret but have periodically leaked -- that they say would empower corporations to use international tribunals to attempt to overturn public interest laws. The groups represent many core Democratic Party constituencies that Clinton has been courting in her White House bid, which explains why in the lead-up to the party's primary she has suddenly depicted herself as a critic of the deal. But the cables show that the Clinton-run State Department was indeed a major player in pushing the initiative.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)foreign nations.
I mean, what the fuck is the job of the secretary of state, anyway.
HomerRamone
(1,112 posts)SunSeeker
(51,728 posts)rateyes
(17,438 posts)Never mind. I am pretty sure I know the answer.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)At no point does it say that she negotiated anything with theml.
I suspect that is her POV.
rateyes
(17,438 posts)Consulted by those in her employ?
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)which doesn't mean she wasn't involved.
rateyes
(17,438 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)rateyes
(17,438 posts)appal_jack
(3,813 posts)Yesiree, bob. What do Americans, faced with a jobless recovery, declining wages, ecosystem collapse, staggering corruption in the corporate and defense sectors, racial tension, urban decay, financial sector malfeasance going unpunished even as it continues to bankrupt Main St. USA, and raft of other serious societal problems really need and demand? How about a continuously duplicitous, insincere-sounding 'leader' with a passable quantity of plausible deniability to provide a veil over her ongoing work on behalf of the 1%?
I can hear the roars of approval from here.
-app
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bravo, app.
appalachiablue
(41,177 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Very well said!
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)working for her? Oh, definitely presidential.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)and they Report directly to the President.
They do not work for the Department of State. I suspect that any negotiation with foreign nations has at least some involvement by State.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)was to 'promote beneficial economic intercourse between the United States and other countries.' They key word being 'beneficial.' Now, the TPP is certainly beneficial. The important question is who it benefits?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)They serve the President.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)rateyes
(17,438 posts)And to whom do those aides report?
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-07-30/courting-unions-clinton-says-she-didn-t-work-on-trans-pacific-partnership
rateyes
(17,438 posts)Faux pas
(14,693 posts)her untrustworthy ratings? This might be why.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Faux pas
(14,693 posts)msongs
(67,453 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)"Clinton now asserts she was never involved in the initiative"
Which is it?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)But it still doesn't answer why she's denying any involvement in TPP,
hiding behind "top aides" doesn't wash.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)fbc
(1,668 posts)I guess it depends on what your definition of "worked" is...
boy, that sounds familiar for some reason.
askew
(1,464 posts)And she never lies, so these cables must be false.
jalan48
(13,888 posts)Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)She has a good excuse, she was to busy insalling the Gov email server in her & Bill's home.
Jackilope
(819 posts)ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)for far too many years. Not even going to bother relying to defend my position as to why I don't trust her, fact is... I DON'T TRUST HER! More could be said, by WHY??
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Right now only political junkies are paying attention. By the time that John and Jane Q. Public tune in, you can easily distract them with a barrage of expensively produced, content-free political ads. Relax. It's going to be OK.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)color me surprised.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Actually, never mind. I don't wonder because I don't care. She lost any support from me back in '08. Nothing she's done since then has won it back and at this point, nothing will.
turbinetree
(24,720 posts)will be what----------------trust me--------------------why?
http://www.ibtimes.com/hillary-clinton-trans-pacific-partnership-obama-aide-calls-her-out-tpp-past-1975980
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/27/hillary-clintons-top-state-department-aides-pass-revolving-door-lobby-passage-tpp/
Scuba
(53,475 posts)moobu2
(4,822 posts)Or like saying Hillary Clinton sent out classified emails even though the emails were classified well after she left office. It's just mixing up a bunch of facts with some innuendo thrown in that amounts to nothing in the end.
azmom
(5,208 posts)on immigration. Immigration activists are against the TPP as it displaces communities and it increases economic pressure on people to migrate.
It is obvious what side Hillary is on, and it is not with the immigrant community.
http://www.presente.org/campaign/latino-legislators-mia-on-tpp/original_email/
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)but it certainly seems to be the case.
They say NAFTA had bad affects that ended up driving a lot of Mexican farm workers off the farms.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)which publishes stuff like this, the false Trump-Perot comparisons, so I'm not surprised about them trying to pit liberals against Hillary with this kind of thing.
Also, has anyone noticed that in case the Dept of State was for the TPP, how Obama is pushing it himself? As bad as it sounds; we need free trade because no major political party is viable without some corporate support. There's a reason both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are free-trade presidents.
TheKentuckian
(25,029 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Some day she may work on it again and then not have worked on it.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom