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HomerRamone

(1,112 posts)
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:03 PM Jul 2015

Cables Show Hillary Clinton's State Department Deeply Involved in Trans-Pacific Partnership

http://www.ibtimes.com/cables-show-hillary-clintons-state-department-deeply-involved-trans-pacific-2032948

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton on Thursday attempted to distance herself from the controversial 12-nation trade deal known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. During her tenure as U.S. secretary of state, Clinton publicly promoted the pact 45 separate times -- but with her Democratic presidential rivals making opposition to the deal a centerpiece of their campaigns, Clinton now asserts she was never involved in the initiative.

"I did not work on TPP," she said after a meeting with leaders of labor unions who oppose the pact. "I advocated for a multinational trade agreement that would 'be the gold standard.' But that was the responsibility of the United States Trade Representative."

But at a congressional hearing in 2011, Clinton told lawmakers that "with respect to the TPP, although the State Department does not have the lead on this -- it is the United States Trade Representative -- we work closely with the USTR." Additionally, State Department cables reviewed by International Business Times show that her agency -- including her top aides -- were deeply involved in the diplomatic deliberations over the trade deal. The cables from 2009 and 2010, which were among a trove of documents disclosed by the website WikiLeaks, also show that the Clinton-run State Department advised the U.S. Trade Representative’s office on how to negotiate the deal with foreign government officials.

In recent months, labor, environmental, public health and consumer advocacy groups have campaigned against the TPP, saying the pact is a stealth attempt by corporations to tilt the rules of international commerce in their favor. They have specifically criticized provisions in the deal -- which are secret but have periodically leaked -- that they say would empower corporations to use international tribunals to attempt to overturn public interest laws. The groups represent many core Democratic Party constituencies that Clinton has been courting in her White House bid, which explains why in the lead-up to the party's primary she has suddenly depicted herself as a critic of the deal. But the cables show that the Clinton-run State Department was indeed a major player in pushing the initiative.
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Cables Show Hillary Clinton's State Department Deeply Involved in Trans-Pacific Partnership (Original Post) HomerRamone Jul 2015 OP
How shocking that the Secretary of Stat'es deparment should be invovled in negotiation treaties with Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #1
Then why is she denying it? nt HomerRamone Jul 2015 #3
She's not denying it. nt SunSeeker Jul 2015 #29
Why did she tell the AFL-CIO she wasn't involved? rateyes Jul 2015 #6
Her agency said "top aids" and "her agency" were involved. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #12
So, her aides did it, and she wasn't even rateyes Jul 2015 #13
That is what the articles says. I think it is a form of plausible deniability. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #16
I see, the old plausible deniability thing! rateyes Jul 2015 #15
Exactly. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #17
Gotcha. rateyes Jul 2015 #19
Of course. What Americans need in a leader for 2016 is plausible deniability. appal_jack Jul 2015 #37
+1 rateyes Jul 2015 #38
^^^Kicking and reccing this post^^^ beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #39
K & R. Nice rant! appalachiablue Aug 2015 #42
+1000000 azmom Aug 2015 #45
+1 Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #46
So she was not responsible for the people awoke_in_2003 Aug 2015 #41
Techincally, Michael Froman is the negotiator in charge. Befor him, Ron Kirk Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #11
Yes, one of her jobs sulphurdunn Jul 2015 #33
Of course a State Dept would be involved in a President's plan... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #2
"I did not work on TPP" sounds like the opposite of that n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #8
Doesn't the cables say "aides"? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #10
Whose aides? rateyes Jul 2015 #14
Top aides. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #18
I haven't heard her criticize the deal. rateyes Jul 2015 #4
What are Faux pas Jul 2015 #5
+100 nt 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #20
... Faux pas Jul 2015 #21
obama appointee involved in implementing obama goals and objectives. OMG! nt msongs Jul 2015 #7
Read the post. arcane1 Jul 2015 #9
Obama made her do it! Good one. 99th_Monkey Jul 2015 #22
One more reason that she makes me nervous Armstead Jul 2015 #23
So she lied. pure and simple. "I did not work on TPP" is a lie. fbc Jul 2015 #24
That's impossible. She denied ever working on TPP to Dan Merica at CNN yesterday. askew Jul 2015 #25
Oh my, isn't she the dodgy lady. jalan48 Jul 2015 #26
It depends on what is, is Geronimoe Jul 2015 #27
I do not trust her, whether it be TPP or Keystone XL. Too cozy with corporatists. EOM Jackilope Jul 2015 #28
I AM NOT Surprised... This Is SOP That I've Seen Happening ChiciB1 Jul 2015 #30
nt silvershadow Jul 2015 #31
Don't fret, Hillary fans! RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #32
"I did not work on TPP," she said after a meeting with leaders of labor unions who oppose the pact. magical thyme Jul 2015 #34
I wonder how many words her scathing reply about these fraudulent cables will be. magical thyme Jul 2015 #35
And now the rest of the story............................. turbinetree Jul 2015 #36
Anyone who trusts her is either incredibly naive or complicit with the oligarchs plans. Scuba Aug 2015 #40
This is like blaming Hillary Clinton for bills Bill Clinton signed moobu2 Aug 2015 #43
Disastrous trade bills like the TPP have a direct impact azmom Aug 2015 #44
We haven't heard much about trade deals as a driver of immigration Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #52
IB Times is a Murdoch owned rag ericson00 Aug 2015 #47
Say anything/open mouth whopper flies out/panderrific strikes again. TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #48
Hillary's Business Legacy at State Dept (leading part in drafting TPP) antigop Aug 2015 #49
Seems she worked on it before she didn't work on it. Cheese Sandwich Aug 2015 #50
Surprise - Surprise - Better To Never Trust A Corpratist cantbeserious Aug 2015 #51

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
1. How shocking that the Secretary of Stat'es deparment should be invovled in negotiation treaties with
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:08 PM
Jul 2015

foreign nations.

I mean, what the fuck is the job of the secretary of state, anyway.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
12. Her agency said "top aids" and "her agency" were involved.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jul 2015

At no point does it say that she negotiated anything with theml.

I suspect that is her POV.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
16. That is what the articles says. I think it is a form of plausible deniability.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:38 PM
Jul 2015

which doesn't mean she wasn't involved.

 

appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
37. Of course. What Americans need in a leader for 2016 is plausible deniability.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:59 PM
Jul 2015

Yesiree, bob. What do Americans, faced with a jobless recovery, declining wages, ecosystem collapse, staggering corruption in the corporate and defense sectors, racial tension, urban decay, financial sector malfeasance going unpunished even as it continues to bankrupt Main St. USA, and raft of other serious societal problems really need and demand? How about a continuously duplicitous, insincere-sounding 'leader' with a passable quantity of plausible deniability to provide a veil over her ongoing work on behalf of the 1%?

I can hear the roars of approval from here.

-app

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
11. Techincally, Michael Froman is the negotiator in charge. Befor him, Ron Kirk
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:21 PM
Jul 2015

and they Report directly to the President.

They do not work for the Department of State. I suspect that any negotiation with foreign nations has at least some involvement by State.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
33. Yes, one of her jobs
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:38 PM
Jul 2015

was to 'promote beneficial economic intercourse between the United States and other countries.' They key word being 'beneficial.' Now, the TPP is certainly beneficial. The important question is who it benefits?

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
18. Top aides.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:40 PM
Jul 2015
While Clinton herself would not have been personally engaged in the nitty-gritty of hammering out the TPP, the State Department is represented at the table when trade deals are negotiated. Her downplaying of her role appears to contradict the view of at least one of her peers. Obama's national security adviser, Susan Rice, last month told Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin that Clinton “participated in everything we did in the first term in a meaningful way,” and “was instrumental in formulating and implementing the re-balance to Asia, of which the Trans-Pacific partnership is a part.”


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-07-30/courting-unions-clinton-says-she-didn-t-work-on-trans-pacific-partnership
 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
22. Obama made her do it! Good one.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:47 PM
Jul 2015

But it still doesn't answer why she's denying any involvement in TPP,
hiding behind "top aides" doesn't wash.

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
24. So she lied. pure and simple. "I did not work on TPP" is a lie.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:02 PM
Jul 2015

I guess it depends on what your definition of "worked" is...

boy, that sounds familiar for some reason.

askew

(1,464 posts)
25. That's impossible. She denied ever working on TPP to Dan Merica at CNN yesterday.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:14 PM
Jul 2015

And she never lies, so these cables must be false.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
27. It depends on what is, is
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jul 2015

She has a good excuse, she was to busy insalling the Gov email server in her & Bill's home.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
30. I AM NOT Surprised... This Is SOP That I've Seen Happening
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:33 PM
Jul 2015

for far too many years. Not even going to bother relying to defend my position as to why I don't trust her, fact is... I DON'T TRUST HER! More could be said, by WHY??

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
32. Don't fret, Hillary fans!
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jul 2015

Right now only political junkies are paying attention. By the time that John and Jane Q. Public tune in, you can easily distract them with a barrage of expensively produced, content-free political ads. Relax. It's going to be OK.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
34. "I did not work on TPP," she said after a meeting with leaders of labor unions who oppose the pact.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jul 2015

color me surprised.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
35. I wonder how many words her scathing reply about these fraudulent cables will be.
Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:42 PM
Jul 2015

Actually, never mind. I don't wonder because I don't care. She lost any support from me back in '08. Nothing she's done since then has won it back and at this point, nothing will.

moobu2

(4,822 posts)
43. This is like blaming Hillary Clinton for bills Bill Clinton signed
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:58 AM
Aug 2015

Or like saying Hillary Clinton sent out classified emails even though the emails were classified well after she left office. It's just mixing up a bunch of facts with some innuendo thrown in that amounts to nothing in the end.

azmom

(5,208 posts)
44. Disastrous trade bills like the TPP have a direct impact
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:10 PM
Aug 2015

on immigration. Immigration activists are against the TPP as it displaces communities and it increases economic pressure on people to migrate.


It is obvious what side Hillary is on, and it is not with the immigrant community.


http://www.presente.org/campaign/latino-legislators-mia-on-tpp/original_email/

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
52. We haven't heard much about trade deals as a driver of immigration
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 12:55 AM
Aug 2015

but it certainly seems to be the case.

They say NAFTA had bad affects that ended up driving a lot of Mexican farm workers off the farms.

 

ericson00

(2,707 posts)
47. IB Times is a Murdoch owned rag
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 04:09 PM
Aug 2015

which publishes stuff like this, the false Trump-Perot comparisons, so I'm not surprised about them trying to pit liberals against Hillary with this kind of thing.

Also, has anyone noticed that in case the Dept of State was for the TPP, how Obama is pushing it himself? As bad as it sounds; we need free trade because no major political party is viable without some corporate support. There's a reason both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are free-trade presidents.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
50. Seems she worked on it before she didn't work on it.
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 07:41 PM
Aug 2015

Some day she may work on it again and then not have worked on it.

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