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CanonRay

(14,119 posts)
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 08:24 AM Aug 2015

One thing is clear from last night's GOP debates

I will contribute to, work for and vote for ANY of the Dem candidates who are nominated in any Pres/VP combination. Clinton, O'Malley, Sanders. I do not care. The thought of any of these GOP idiots in the White House makes me want to vomit. Even Webb wold be better, and I can't stand the guy.

I know there is a lot of pissing and moaning between the Sanders and Clinton people on this site, but none of it matters, folks. Just roll the tape of the GOP nutjobs.

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One thing is clear from last night's GOP debates (Original Post) CanonRay Aug 2015 OP
Absolutely! I didn't see anyone there who I would want elected. napi21 Aug 2015 #1
+1000 greenman3610 Aug 2015 #2
So, you get why DWS wanted everyone to watch. HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #3
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #36
Yes, so we understand it's ok to be force-fed Clinton. n/t whatchamacallit Aug 2015 #46
unfortunately, the best of two evils -is- sort of supported by this... HereSince1628 Aug 2015 #64
Right you are. Any Democratic candidate is better than any of these Republican Nut-jobs. No Cal33 Aug 2015 #4
Right on! Kath1 Aug 2015 #5
They really are. What a disgusting lot! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2015 #27
Nothing to disagree on here. TNNurse Aug 2015 #6
Damn right. I like Sanders, but will vote for whatever Dem nominee wins primary. n/t Triana Aug 2015 #7
Same here. Duppers Aug 2015 #8
You n me both sister JackInGreen Aug 2015 #12
Careful, why do you think democrats also get large corporate donations. kacekwl Aug 2015 #19
No. there are different kinds of puppets. padfun Aug 2015 #30
Exactly why I said be careful, kacekwl Aug 2015 #50
I agree with you 100 percent. Corporate-owned is corporate owned. n/t SusanaMontana41 Aug 2015 #67
Because the Parties and candidates are exactly the same, right? ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #37
No but kacekwl Aug 2015 #51
Yes ... But they ARE on any number of issues. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2015 #54
Bingo. eom SusanaMontana41 Aug 2015 #68
Ding, ding, ding. lark Aug 2015 #57
Last night's "debate" has given rise to a new adage OldRedneck Aug 2015 #9
War war war Johnny2X2X Aug 2015 #10
What's clear to me is... Bubzer Aug 2015 #11
It's not a mentality Politicub Aug 2015 #13
Absolutely! d_legendary1 Aug 2015 #21
It becomes a mentality when it is your guiding light for voting. Bubzer Aug 2015 #65
So then Andy823 Aug 2015 #34
THIS is america Cosmocat Aug 2015 #14
Contribute!! I have already received two phone calls today. madamvlb Aug 2015 #15
You are 100% correct. gordianot Aug 2015 #16
"Clinton, O'Malley, Sanders", can we add Biden, too? marble falls Aug 2015 #17
Sure, I like Joe! CanonRay Aug 2015 #47
Shitstain/Pantyslime 2016 would be better than anyone in the GOP. Cancer/AIDS 2016 Feeling the Bern Aug 2015 #18
What a bunch of morons, as usual ailsagirl Aug 2015 #20
I couldn't agree more. nt Duval Aug 2015 #22
Absolutely Danmel Aug 2015 #23
I just wish we could convince everyone here of that. passiveporcupine Aug 2015 #73
You got that right. IHateTheGOP Aug 2015 #24
I'd even vote for James Carville tavernier Aug 2015 #25
That's where I am exactly, and have been for decades. Greybnk48 Aug 2015 #26
more than once I found myself yelling at the TV Sheepshank Aug 2015 #28
We and the rest of the sane people must NOT let any of those....people....near the presidency. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2015 #29
That was quite a show, wasn't it? I'll be voting for the Dem candidate, whoever it might be. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #31
YES .!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt. Stuart G Aug 2015 #32
recommend samsingh Aug 2015 #33
Was there ever any doubt? sarge43 Aug 2015 #35
It's really sad how far our election system has been corrupted! Dustlawyer Aug 2015 #38
Clinton comes I'll be voting 3rd party PatrynXX Aug 2015 #39
Kick & highly recommended! William769 Aug 2015 #40
Fact free, reality free discussion. Have any pundits talked about what a pile of wiggs Aug 2015 #41
That's nutfucks, not nutjobs. Keep it real. n/t SpankMe Aug 2015 #42
What's funny is when you talk to conservatives.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #43
+1 C Moon Aug 2015 #44
The "pissing and moaning" does matter Armstead Aug 2015 #45
If ANY of these morons get elected RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #48
Thank you homegirl Aug 2015 #49
Agreed! redstatebluegirl Aug 2015 #52
Donald Trump was by far walkingman Aug 2015 #53
I was hoping not to watch this because my gag reflex is horrible. SusanaMontana41 Aug 2015 #69
It all matters 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #55
Primaries do matter to a point CanonRay Aug 2015 #58
You say "once a candidate on our side is selected" Dems must to fall in line 99th_Monkey Aug 2015 #59
Opinions may differ. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2015 #56
And the Democratic Party will drift even further to the right. CrispyQ Aug 2015 #60
That's a keeper. I'm stealing it from you. n/t SusanaMontana41 Aug 2015 #70
It's what's been happening since Reagan. CrispyQ Aug 2015 #77
Maybe it started with George Wallace in 1972. SusanaMontana41 Aug 2015 #81
Some of my right-wing conservative FB friends are thinking they were all great and would take brewens Aug 2015 #61
AHA! that is why she had us watch. pansypoo53219 Aug 2015 #62
No shit... Hepburn Aug 2015 #63
Scary indeed. Trump isn't going anywhere. SusanaMontana41 Aug 2015 #72
Mahalo CanonRay! Cha Aug 2015 #66
To do otherwise would be insane SCantiGOP Aug 2015 #71
I thought you were going to write, "One thing is clear from last night's GOP debates Unknown Beatle Aug 2015 #74
He kinda did... JHB Aug 2015 #75
THANK YOU Skittles Aug 2015 #76
I support Hillary in the primary. Dawson Leery Aug 2015 #78
Correct. I couldn't stand to watch any more after an hour. I was sick to my stomach. valerief Aug 2015 #79
I will vote for the true Democratic nominee...Senator Sanders. TheProgressive Aug 2015 #80
I agree. Most Democrats agree. Unfortunately alienated voters do not. eridani Aug 2015 #82
I'm all for Bernie, but you've got this right. These GOP people are all basically 'nut jobs' PatrickforO Aug 2015 #83
But I will support the Democratic nominee. For sure. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #84
Agree. lovemydog Aug 2015 #85
So many on here bucolic_frolic Aug 2015 #86
Agree! UCmeNdc Aug 2015 #87

napi21

(45,806 posts)
1. Absolutely! I didn't see anyone there who I would want elected.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 08:33 AM
Aug 2015

I also don't think anyone won that debate. certainly no one impressed me with anything!

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
64. unfortunately, the best of two evils -is- sort of supported by this...
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 05:24 PM
Aug 2015

I don't like that,

but being on the left means being kept in a jar until DWS breaks it.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
4. Right you are. Any Democratic candidate is better than any of these Republican Nut-jobs. No
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 08:48 AM
Aug 2015

exceptions.

kacekwl

(7,022 posts)
19. Careful, why do you think democrats also get large corporate donations.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:05 AM
Aug 2015

A puppet is a puppet regardless of the name.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
9. Last night's "debate" has given rise to a new adage
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 09:26 AM
Aug 2015

Remember how we refer to a really, really stupid person as being "Dumb as (dirt / a bag of hammers / a box of rocks / etc.) ?"

Now, after last night's "debate," I'm already hearing the phrase:

"Dumb as a Republican Presidential debate!!!!"

Johnny2X2X

(19,128 posts)
10. War war war
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 09:30 AM
Aug 2015

That's the only foreign policy they know. As backasswards as they are domestically, each and everyone of those nuts (save for Rand Paul) cannot wait to get the US into 2 or 3 or more wars as soon as possible.

Domestically they have no new ideas. But foreign policy it's a simple choice for US voters, do you want to be in several new wars or not?

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
11. What's clear to me is...
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 09:31 AM
Aug 2015

We don't have to keep a "Any Dem is better than the GOP" mentality. We have a good selection of candidates so that we can be for one of our candidates rather than merely against the GOP options.

In other words, I get to vote based on my values.... not based on avoiding the GOP at all costs.

It may seem a small thing, but voting the second way opens the door to all kinds of problems... like letting the GOP control the debate.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
13. It's not a mentality
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 09:50 AM
Aug 2015

to believe that any dem candidate running for pres is better than anyone running for the GOP nomination -- it's a truism.

I can advocate for the candidate of my choice while confidently knowing that I will proudly cast my vote for whoever gets the dem nomination.

d_legendary1

(2,586 posts)
21. Absolutely!
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:12 AM
Aug 2015

Any Dem is better than any con any day of the week! Unless of course people LIKED the War Shrub years...

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
65. It becomes a mentality when it is your guiding light for voting.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 06:41 PM
Aug 2015

Its all about how you perceive your options. Keeping that mindset tends to reduce critical analysis of the Democratic candidates, because any Dem would fit that bill.

The other way to look at it is to be fora candidate rather than merely against the GOP. In this case, a more critical and carful consideration if given to the options.

I like the second one better since all our top contenders poll handily well above any GOP contender.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
34. So then
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:55 AM
Aug 2015

Who will you vote for if "your" favorite candidate does not win the primary? It's great to vote your values during the primary, but come the general it's pretty obvious any of our candidates who win the nomination will be a million times better than any republican that runs.

Cosmocat

(14,575 posts)
14. THIS is america
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 09:54 AM
Aug 2015

49%, give or take, of the voters in this country will run the polls to vote the winner of that freak show in November of 2016 ...

madamvlb

(495 posts)
15. Contribute!! I have already received two phone calls today.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 09:55 AM
Aug 2015

They were waiting for the debates to start calling, my last name starts with B, so I assume they are going alphabetical.

gordianot

(15,245 posts)
16. You are 100% correct.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 09:56 AM
Aug 2015

Republicans are all dangerous as are (merely) many Democrats. Even a compromised Democratic President who supports the Oligarchs trade deals beats any Republican any day of the week.

CanonRay

(14,119 posts)
47. Sure, I like Joe!
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 12:49 PM
Aug 2015

He'd be way, way better that any of that GOP lunacy. Joe's the only one I ever actually met.

Danmel

(4,929 posts)
23. Absolutely
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:25 AM
Aug 2015

I will work very hard to support the Democratic nominee. A court full of Scalias and Alitos for the rest of my life and my children's lives is sufficient motivation. (Not to mention climate change, health care, women's rights, civil rights, and so on.)
As Democrats, we cannot bite off our noses to spite our faces. It is just too important.

Greybnk48

(10,177 posts)
26. That's where I am exactly, and have been for decades.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:31 AM
Aug 2015

I will be disappointed if Bernie doesn't win because I see him as a contemporary F.D.R., but I will vote for whomever wins.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
28. more than once I found myself yelling at the TV
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:32 AM
Aug 2015

trying to counter lies, false innuendos and diversions from the questions asked. Christie is officially toast, as of last night.

They all had a sense of desperation about them...except for Trump, half the time he seemed put out or pissed.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
29. We and the rest of the sane people must NOT let any of those....people....near the presidency.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:38 AM
Aug 2015

State pukes need to go, too.

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
31. That was quite a show, wasn't it? I'll be voting for the Dem candidate, whoever it might be.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 10:46 AM
Aug 2015

But...

GO BERNIE!!!

sarge43

(28,945 posts)
35. Was there ever any doubt?
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 11:14 AM
Aug 2015

Just the thought of any one of those clowns selecting a Supreme Court justice is horrifying.

Dustlawyer

(10,497 posts)
38. It's really sad how far our election system has been corrupted!
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 11:21 AM
Aug 2015

None of the candidates at the debate were explaining policy. They were all spouting talking points and playing to a base that has been brainwashed with crazy Fox propaganda. I kept imagining what Walter Cronkite would have said after watching this crap!

They should have all been asked, "What did you have to promise to your major donors for all of the money you raised for them?" Every candidate should be asked this question, especially in light of Citizen's United.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
39. Clinton comes I'll be voting 3rd party
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 11:21 AM
Aug 2015

Won't be like Republicans who broke their principals and voted for Mitt Romney (the ones I knew that for decades had called Mormons unChristian and a cult. voted for him and still love the guy. ) Have no idea why. Hillary is as close to Reagan that I can imagine. think Reagan might be to her left economically Socially no. Socially she's to my left actually. but she's to my economic right.

wiggs

(7,819 posts)
41. Fact free, reality free discussion. Have any pundits talked about what a pile of
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 11:50 AM
Aug 2015

crap the comments were? Any fact-checking? I watched a few news and talk shows after...all they were talking about was the horse-race and performance aspect of it. Clinton and Bernie camps should comment on the lack of seriousness...

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
43. What's funny is when you talk to conservatives....
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 12:15 PM
Aug 2015

They actually come off like all of this doesn't matter because Ronald Reagan will come forward at any moment and all will be well again.

They also believe the same thing about Jesus,...but don't equate the two.

(Except when they do.)

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
45. The "pissing and moaning" does matter
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 12:37 PM
Aug 2015

The GOP will always be awful. We need to do everything possible to challenge them.

But that does NOT also mean we should settle for continuing to silently acquiesce and accept policies and candidates on our side that we disagree with.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
52. Agreed!
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 01:53 PM
Aug 2015

I have been staying away lately, I can't stomach the Clinton/Sanders nonsense, it has gotten beyond normal debate. I will vote for the party, no matter what, the alternative is not pretty. I still don't know for sure who I will vote for there are things I like about both. I will vote for the candidate the party nominates, end of story. I agree rolling that tape from last night should make you pull the lever for a Democrat.

walkingman

(7,671 posts)
53. Donald Trump was by far
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 02:08 PM
Aug 2015

the best man on the stage last night and that is not saying a lot. The entire group seemed almost mentally ill. They also made it clear that they were war mongers (exception Rand Paul) and religious nuts.

The Dr. Carson comment about "secular progressive movement" was spectacular. Hello GOP - we are a secular society whether you like it or not. I thought the whole religious discussion was disgusting and childish.

Peace

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
69. I was hoping not to watch this because my gag reflex is horrible.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 07:07 PM
Aug 2015

And then you chime in. Now I have to watch.

I hope you're happy now.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
55. It all matters
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 02:21 PM
Aug 2015

including having an adequate number of Democratic debates, and starting them
much sooner than they are scheduled.

Primaries matter too .. or are you suggesting primaries don't 'matter' either?

CanonRay

(14,119 posts)
58. Primaries do matter to a point
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 02:34 PM
Aug 2015

but once a candidate on our side is selected, then, whoever that may be, the "choice" is perfectly clear. The other side is either stupid or downright evil. Some are both.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
59. You say "once a candidate on our side is selected" Dems must to fall in line
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 02:43 PM
Aug 2015

But I think you mean, once the 1%/DNC has deliberately perverted the
Primary process to insure HRC's nomination, then Dems must shut the
fuck up, and fall-in-line.

CrispyQ

(36,531 posts)
60. And the Democratic Party will drift even further to the right.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 02:53 PM
Aug 2015

Obama is just an icon for the entire party, in this all too truthful cartoon.




SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
81. Maybe it started with George Wallace in 1972.
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 12:12 AM
Aug 2015

But we also had George McGovern that year. Hmmm.

I'm going to follow Bennet. Thanks for the introduction!








brewens

(13,623 posts)
61. Some of my right-wing conservative FB friends are thinking they were all great and would take
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 04:13 PM
Aug 2015

any of them over Hillary. All great except for T-Rump I guess. They fell for the FOX "News" hitjob. Several of them were on the T-Rump bandwagon just a week ago. If you knew who he was and were all jazzed about what he was saying, I can't see how that crap last night should have made any difference.

It's going to be amusing. One T-Rump fan is all in love with Fiorina now. It's just like the last time. The scum oozes to the top and it's the new favorite clown of the week.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
63. No shit...
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 04:41 PM
Aug 2015

...I cannot think of ANYTHING worse than one of those bozos in the White House...well, maybe Romney...no, Trump wins that contest after consideration of who is really the biggest asshole.

OMG...it was like watch fraternity rush at the ultimate loser house!

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
72. Scary indeed. Trump isn't going anywhere.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 07:21 PM
Aug 2015

He'll keep roiling up the unhinged for as long as it sells.

Trump isn't silly. He's dangerous. I think something terrible is going to happen.

My gut says this isn't going to end well.

SCantiGOP

(13,874 posts)
71. To do otherwise would be insane
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 07:12 PM
Aug 2015

I'm not sure our democracy could survive two more Scalias on the Court if two of our rational members were to leave the court.
Huckabee said last night that he would basically override the Constitution in order to ban abortions.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
74. I thought you were going to write, "One thing is clear from last night's GOP debates
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 08:38 PM
Aug 2015

is that they're all a bunch of crazy ass loons waiting to be fitted with a straightjacket."

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
78. I support Hillary in the primary.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 09:26 PM
Aug 2015

I will support the eventual Democratic nominee.

Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley, Chaffee are far superior human beings than any of the Thugs running.
Most mainstream right politicians in the developed world are better human beings than the American right.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
79. Correct. I couldn't stand to watch any more after an hour. I was sick to my stomach.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 11:54 PM
Aug 2015

I hate these assholes, the assholes who own them, and the assholes who shill for them.

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
80. I will vote for the true Democratic nominee...Senator Sanders.
Fri Aug 7, 2015, 11:59 PM
Aug 2015

How about you? Do you want a real Democrat to be President?

eridani

(51,907 posts)
82. I agree. Most Democrats agree. Unfortunately alienated voters do not.
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 02:10 AM
Aug 2015

63% of those eligible to vote in 2014 did not vote. Lecturing the alienated about strategic voting is a complete waste of time. Sanders is attracting alienated voters; Clinton doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell with them. When you think about who is most "electable," think of that.

PatrickforO

(14,593 posts)
83. I'm all for Bernie, but you've got this right. These GOP people are all basically 'nut jobs'
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 02:16 AM
Aug 2015

The question we have to ask, though is WHY? Why does this message resound with so many Americans, particularly independent voters?

And, more importantly, how can we address the concerns of these people? The fears these hard-line GOP clowns are fanning are emotional responses to our discontent, whereas we try and respond intellectually, with facts and statistics. Maybe our message needs to quell the fears as well. That's why I'm supporting Bernie, because I think we have the best chance of the message getting through the emotions with him.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
85. Agree.
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 04:14 AM
Aug 2015

O'Malley, Sanders or Clinton would all make fine presidents, especially with a much more liberal Congress.

bucolic_frolic

(43,328 posts)
86. So many on here
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 05:51 AM
Aug 2015

are in their own ideological war with the DLC and Hillary Clinton

They just don't get how much damage a GOP President can do

despite being reminded of GWB

All must reach out to these folks and help them remember how
bleak the future will be

if they STAY HOME

UCmeNdc

(9,601 posts)
87. Agree!
Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:23 AM
Aug 2015

None of these GOP candidates are the least bit qualified to be President of the United States. They are all quite shallow, selfish, and limited in their thinking abilities. Listen closely to this debate and their answers. Sheeeeese!

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