2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOne thing is clear from last night's GOP debates
I will contribute to, work for and vote for ANY of the Dem candidates who are nominated in any Pres/VP combination. Clinton, O'Malley, Sanders. I do not care. The thought of any of these GOP idiots in the White House makes me want to vomit. Even Webb wold be better, and I can't stand the guy.
I know there is a lot of pissing and moaning between the Sanders and Clinton people on this site, but none of it matters, folks. Just roll the tape of the GOP nutjobs.
napi21
(45,806 posts)I also don't think anyone won that debate. certainly no one impressed me with anything!
greenman3610
(3,947 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)I don't like that,
but being on the left means being kept in a jar until DWS breaks it.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)exceptions.
Kath1
(4,309 posts)Pretty scary bunch of people.
RKP5637
(67,112 posts)TNNurse
(6,929 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)+1
kacekwl
(7,022 posts)A puppet is a puppet regardless of the name.
padfun
(1,788 posts)kacekwl
(7,022 posts)People are not always as they seem.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)kacekwl
(7,022 posts)they aren't always different.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)lark
(23,160 posts)We have a winner!! I'm with you all the way.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)Remember how we refer to a really, really stupid person as being "Dumb as (dirt / a bag of hammers / a box of rocks / etc.) ?"
Now, after last night's "debate," I'm already hearing the phrase:
"Dumb as a Republican Presidential debate!!!!"
Johnny2X2X
(19,128 posts)That's the only foreign policy they know. As backasswards as they are domestically, each and everyone of those nuts (save for Rand Paul) cannot wait to get the US into 2 or 3 or more wars as soon as possible.
Domestically they have no new ideas. But foreign policy it's a simple choice for US voters, do you want to be in several new wars or not?
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)We don't have to keep a "Any Dem is better than the GOP" mentality. We have a good selection of candidates so that we can be for one of our candidates rather than merely against the GOP options.
In other words, I get to vote based on my values.... not based on avoiding the GOP at all costs.
It may seem a small thing, but voting the second way opens the door to all kinds of problems... like letting the GOP control the debate.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)to believe that any dem candidate running for pres is better than anyone running for the GOP nomination -- it's a truism.
I can advocate for the candidate of my choice while confidently knowing that I will proudly cast my vote for whoever gets the dem nomination.
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Any Dem is better than any con any day of the week! Unless of course people LIKED the War Shrub years...
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Its all about how you perceive your options. Keeping that mindset tends to reduce critical analysis of the Democratic candidates, because any Dem would fit that bill.
The other way to look at it is to be fora candidate rather than merely against the GOP. In this case, a more critical and carful consideration if given to the options.
I like the second one better since all our top contenders poll handily well above any GOP contender.
Who will you vote for if "your" favorite candidate does not win the primary? It's great to vote your values during the primary, but come the general it's pretty obvious any of our candidates who win the nomination will be a million times better than any republican that runs.
Cosmocat
(14,575 posts)49%, give or take, of the voters in this country will run the polls to vote the winner of that freak show in November of 2016 ...
madamvlb
(495 posts)They were waiting for the debates to start calling, my last name starts with B, so I assume they are going alphabetical.
gordianot
(15,245 posts)Republicans are all dangerous as are (merely) many Democrats. Even a compromised Democratic President who supports the Oligarchs trade deals beats any Republican any day of the week.
marble falls
(57,286 posts)CanonRay
(14,119 posts)He'd be way, way better that any of that GOP lunacy. Joe's the only one I ever actually met.
Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)would be better.
ailsagirl
(22,899 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)Danmel
(4,929 posts)I will work very hard to support the Democratic nominee. A court full of Scalias and Alitos for the rest of my life and my children's lives is sufficient motivation. (Not to mention climate change, health care, women's rights, civil rights, and so on.)
As Democrats, we cannot bite off our noses to spite our faces. It is just too important.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)tavernier
(12,407 posts)before that batch of losers.
Greybnk48
(10,177 posts)I will be disappointed if Bernie doesn't win because I see him as a contemporary F.D.R., but I will vote for whomever wins.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)trying to counter lies, false innuendos and diversions from the questions asked. Christie is officially toast, as of last night.
They all had a sense of desperation about them...except for Trump, half the time he seemed put out or pissed.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)State pukes need to go, too.
PatrickforO
(14,593 posts)But...
GO BERNIE!!!
Stuart G
(38,449 posts)samsingh
(17,601 posts)sarge43
(28,945 posts)Just the thought of any one of those clowns selecting a Supreme Court justice is horrifying.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)None of the candidates at the debate were explaining policy. They were all spouting talking points and playing to a base that has been brainwashed with crazy Fox propaganda. I kept imagining what Walter Cronkite would have said after watching this crap!
They should have all been asked, "What did you have to promise to your major donors for all of the money you raised for them?" Every candidate should be asked this question, especially in light of Citizen's United.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)Won't be like Republicans who broke their principals and voted for Mitt Romney (the ones I knew that for decades had called Mormons unChristian and a cult. voted for him and still love the guy. ) Have no idea why. Hillary is as close to Reagan that I can imagine. think Reagan might be to her left economically Socially no. Socially she's to my left actually. but she's to my economic right.
William769
(55,148 posts)wiggs
(7,819 posts)crap the comments were? Any fact-checking? I watched a few news and talk shows after...all they were talking about was the horse-race and performance aspect of it. Clinton and Bernie camps should comment on the lack of seriousness...
SpankMe
(2,970 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)They actually come off like all of this doesn't matter because Ronald Reagan will come forward at any moment and all will be well again.
They also believe the same thing about Jesus,...but don't equate the two.
(Except when they do.)
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The GOP will always be awful. We need to do everything possible to challenge them.
But that does NOT also mean we should settle for continuing to silently acquiesce and accept policies and candidates on our side that we disagree with.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)The entire planet is screwed!
homegirl
(1,434 posts)for a perfect summary and comment.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I have been staying away lately, I can't stomach the Clinton/Sanders nonsense, it has gotten beyond normal debate. I will vote for the party, no matter what, the alternative is not pretty. I still don't know for sure who I will vote for there are things I like about both. I will vote for the candidate the party nominates, end of story. I agree rolling that tape from last night should make you pull the lever for a Democrat.
walkingman
(7,671 posts)the best man on the stage last night and that is not saying a lot. The entire group seemed almost mentally ill. They also made it clear that they were war mongers (exception Rand Paul) and religious nuts.
The Dr. Carson comment about "secular progressive movement" was spectacular. Hello GOP - we are a secular society whether you like it or not. I thought the whole religious discussion was disgusting and childish.
Peace
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)And then you chime in. Now I have to watch.
I hope you're happy now.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)including having an adequate number of Democratic debates, and starting them
much sooner than they are scheduled.
Primaries matter too .. or are you suggesting primaries don't 'matter' either?
CanonRay
(14,119 posts)but once a candidate on our side is selected, then, whoever that may be, the "choice" is perfectly clear. The other side is either stupid or downright evil. Some are both.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)But I think you mean, once the 1%/DNC has deliberately perverted the
Primary process to insure HRC's nomination, then Dems must shut the
fuck up, and fall-in-line.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)CrispyQ
(36,531 posts)Obama is just an icon for the entire party, in this all too truthful cartoon.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)CrispyQ
(36,531 posts)We have wonderful liberal cartoonists! Bennet is a fave!
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)But we also had George McGovern that year. Hmmm.
I'm going to follow Bennet. Thanks for the introduction!
brewens
(13,623 posts)any of them over Hillary. All great except for T-Rump I guess. They fell for the FOX "News" hitjob. Several of them were on the T-Rump bandwagon just a week ago. If you knew who he was and were all jazzed about what he was saying, I can't see how that crap last night should have made any difference.
It's going to be amusing. One T-Rump fan is all in love with Fiorina now. It's just like the last time. The scum oozes to the top and it's the new favorite clown of the week.
pansypoo53219
(21,000 posts)THE 'WHAT IF'!
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)...I cannot think of ANYTHING worse than one of those bozos in the White House...well, maybe Romney...no, Trump wins that contest after consideration of who is really the biggest asshole.
OMG...it was like watch fraternity rush at the ultimate loser house!
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)He'll keep roiling up the unhinged for as long as it sells.
Trump isn't silly. He's dangerous. I think something terrible is going to happen.
My gut says this isn't going to end well.
Cha
(297,733 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)I'm not sure our democracy could survive two more Scalias on the Court if two of our rational members were to leave the court.
Huckabee said last night that he would basically override the Constitution in order to ban abortions.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)is that they're all a bunch of crazy ass loons waiting to be fitted with a straightjacket."
JHB
(37,163 posts)And if he didn't, THEY certainly did -- in deed if not in word.
Skittles
(153,202 posts)and F*** the swooners who keep stamping their feet
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)I will support the eventual Democratic nominee.
Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley, Chaffee are far superior human beings than any of the Thugs running.
Most mainstream right politicians in the developed world are better human beings than the American right.
valerief
(53,235 posts)I hate these assholes, the assholes who own them, and the assholes who shill for them.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)How about you? Do you want a real Democrat to be President?
eridani
(51,907 posts)63% of those eligible to vote in 2014 did not vote. Lecturing the alienated about strategic voting is a complete waste of time. Sanders is attracting alienated voters; Clinton doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell with them. When you think about who is most "electable," think of that.
PatrickforO
(14,593 posts)The question we have to ask, though is WHY? Why does this message resound with so many Americans, particularly independent voters?
And, more importantly, how can we address the concerns of these people? The fears these hard-line GOP clowns are fanning are emotional responses to our discontent, whereas we try and respond intellectually, with facts and statistics. Maybe our message needs to quell the fears as well. That's why I'm supporting Bernie, because I think we have the best chance of the message getting through the emotions with him.
PatrickforO
(14,593 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)O'Malley, Sanders or Clinton would all make fine presidents, especially with a much more liberal Congress.
bucolic_frolic
(43,328 posts)are in their own ideological war with the DLC and Hillary Clinton
They just don't get how much damage a GOP President can do
despite being reminded of GWB
All must reach out to these folks and help them remember how
bleak the future will be
if they STAY HOME
UCmeNdc
(9,601 posts)None of these GOP candidates are the least bit qualified to be President of the United States. They are all quite shallow, selfish, and limited in their thinking abilities. Listen closely to this debate and their answers. Sheeeeese!