Sanders in Seattle event taken over

[rurallib]

Bernie stopped from speaking currently
live here:
http://www.kirotv.com/videos/news/kiro-live-event-1/vt6Gk/

[montanacowboy]

1. Why don't they try disrupting the GOP Events?

I am getting sick and tired of this

[winter is coming]

3. They go where the crowds are thick but the security is thin.

Just think, they could sponsor a Dem debate and ask all of the Dem candidates as many questions as they liked, if it weren't for the DNC.

[daleanime]

26. +1

And I'm sure most candidates would welcome that.

[Glorfindel]

4. I'm beginning to believe that they may be on the payroll of the Repukes

Anything to make Senator Sanders look helpless and weak. They certainly aren't doing the "black lives matter" movement any favors. I'm prepared to eat my words, of course, when they start showing up and interrupting Repuke events, but I don't expect that to happen - ever.

[daleanime]

27. +1

[whatchamacallit]

69. Hillary is their stated enemy

Not a single mention of Sanders at the GOP debates. If they're working for someone it's not the Republicans.

[snagglepuss]

126. I think someone is behind this but I doubt its Hillary's team. I suspect

it could be a wealthy Hillary supporter who doesn't "appreciate" Bernie's platform.

[George II]

71. The theory by some of his followers has been that the republicans WANT Sanders to look strong...

...so he can show Clinton to be weak.

[whatchamacallit]

80. What?

Who floated that nonsense?

[Joe the Revelator]

89. If they are backed by anybody, its the Hillary campaign

She has '08 race problems, and her M.O. would be to turn those back on the candidate most likely to challenge her. Make the story about Bernie and race first, then if anyone brings up her own warts, it looks petty.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

113. A 0-7 sweep... impressive.

On Sat Aug 8, 2015, 06:16 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

I'm beginning to believe that they may be on the payroll of the Repukes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=501745

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[dsc]

5. because the GOP has competent security

Netroots lack of security was disgraceful and Sanders may have to step up his security.

[jwirr]

35. He was asked to attend this event celebrating Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. He was not

in charge of security. I watched the other speakers who had been asked - all talking about the topic. NOT all white.

[dsc]

43. I didn't realize that it wasn't his event

then the holders of the event should have had competent security. Everyone involved deserved better.

[djean111]

64. BLM is just after Sanders. Period. nt

[winter is coming]

68. Sanders is drawing the largest crowds, which makes him an obvious target.

It shouldn't, however, make him the only target.

[djean111]

74. This was not even a fucking Sanders event. He was invited to speak.

He is being targeted, and I will not be manipulated into voting for anyone else. That's my final position on this crap.
I assume they have plans to disrupt the rest of today's events, and tomorrow's events.

[fredamae]

7. Black Lives Matter

the tactic...not the message, just lost me.
They were Not to my knowledge outside of HRC's PDX fundraiser etc.
They are Not at GOP events.

Sanders does not deserve this, imo.

[snagglepuss]

33. Exactly. And for that reason something smells awfully fishy.

[fredamae]

49. You know..I wasn't

buying into that in the beginning...but I must admit, something just ain't right here....I'm going to have to widen my berth of possibilities to the possibility others who first noticed this, might be correct.
I can't imagine MSM would single out Bernie if it's happening to all or even a few of the other candidats, there is no information to suggest or demonstrate they've even tried to pull this at GOP and other Dem candidates rally's-good security or not.

All they needed to do was get ahold of the campaign/Seattle event planners and schedule it right before Sanders.
Their tactics, imo...are really hurting their most important and valid movement...and I hate to see that happen.

[peacebird]

60. #BLM just lost my support. The fact they haven't pulled this crap on R's or HRC is telling

[Nevada Blue]

82. ^^this^^ n/t

[nc4bo]

122. Fuck the GOP. nt

[msongs]

2. so when are they going to barge into an obama event? nt

[dsc]

9. I sincerely hope Obama's security detail is more competent

than this. Even with the horrible revelations from the Secret Service I am sure they are.

[jwirr]

40. Then maybe Bernie should get some Secret Service protection like they do.

[dsc]

48. they did give it to Obama early based on his level of threats

Clinton has it as a former first lady. I presume that if Bernie gets enough threats he will get that protection. I haven't a clue what threat level justifies the protection.

[artislife]

70. Westlake center is downtown Seattle

With about 7 different ways to get to it by surface streets, the stores and sidewalks. Not an inclosed space.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Westlake+Center/@47.6120381,-122.3376528,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xc3134777cf5f660

[dsc]

104. the stage could have been and should have been better protected

I understand that outdoor venues can't just be shut off from all access but the stage surely can be.

[artislife]

109. He isn't afraid to be with the people

He will now know this is going to be a regular occurrance.

[dsc]

115. It apparently wasn't his security

but yes he should have problems with uncontrolled stages. We have had, in my lifetime alone, one primary candidate assassinated and one crippled for life. Stages need to be controlled it is that simple.

[artislife]

116. I cannot even

process my thoughts on this.

[snagglepuss]

6. Taken over by whom? Info pls. Cube rats can't download video

[rurallib]

10. 3 women with BLM

held the stage for 20 minutes now. Looks like Bernie will leave without speaking.

[rurallib]

12. they were really aggressive when they took over.

[rurallib]

8. Looks like the event will be suspended without Sanders speaking

sure doesn't seem to be real good tactics to stop your friends

[winter is coming]

15. Bernie's walking through the crowd now, shaking hands. n/t

[rocktivity]

16. What, he NEVER spoke?

Nice work, BLM -- now EVERYONE hates you!!!


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[rurallib]

18. About two words.

Event tonight also in Seattle.

Yeah - not good tactics to make friends

[snagglepuss]

52. What do you make of Bernie's tactic of cancelling hte speech?

[jwirr]

61. Did HE cancel it? The poster said "they have canceled the event" and this was not HIS event.

[snagglepuss]

76. Thanks for the clarification.

[winter is coming]

65. I'm not sure he canceled so much as ran out of time?

This was an appearance before some other, larger thing he's got scheduled for tonight. The folks who grabbed the mic either wanted to have the mic or to be arrested. Either would be a "win" for them.

So they got the mic... and the crowd who came to hear Bernie speak didn't hear him speak, and probably went away disappointed/angry, but not at Bernie.

So... how effective is it to grab the mic if people go away thinking you're a jerk? How much of a "win" is that, really? How long before crowds simply start booing when this happens, and BLM's message isn't listened to at all?

[artislife]

53. I just got back from lunch with friends

to see this. Main event is at U W at 6.

[snagglepuss]

83. That's a relief. I thought this was the main event.

[Ken Burch]

11. It was a BLM call for a moment of silence for black victims of police violence.

If BLM had just asked permission to have that moment be part of the rally, the campaign would have agreed. Why is BLM still singling out Bernie when nothing good would come to the black community from Bernie's campaign being stopped?

Virtually every Sanders supporter is also a BLM supporter. BLM has no reason to treat Bernie as if he is worse on race than any other Democratic presidential candidate.

BLM has an obligation to start doing this to HRC, too.

[rurallib]

13. they really have an obligation to do it to 17 Republican candidates.

[snagglepuss]

23. They could be paid provocateurs. The billionaires Bernie is targetting have deep pockets.

I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't think twice about disrupting a political rally for the right price.

[Ken Burch]

29. You may be right there. n/t.

[winter is coming]

30. True. It will interesting to see if anyone knows/identifies the women. n/t

[jwirr]

54. I do not want to think that.

[whatchamacallit]

72. Then those billionaires are cool with Hillary

because she's apparently not a target. No, the source is whoever benefits most. Wonder who that is...

[Petrushka]

110. Do a search: Black Lives Matter & George Soros

And, if you have time, look for: Shadow Party & Soros & Hillary Clinton

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

14. Dunno who that young woman is, given that I tuned in so late, but I keep hearing

words like 'white supremacy' from her while the crowd is chanting 'Bernie'.

[rurallib]

19. identifird herself as BLM, nothing more than that I recall.

[cali]

28. I believe it was "white supremacist liberal"

Calling Sanders a white supremacist is just morally indefensible.

I won't be at all surprised if they continue hounding Sanders.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

34. He's the only one holding events, right?

Or is no one in the media covering all of the BLM protests aimed at every other Presidential candidate?

[cali]

56. it's beginning to look ugly in a targeted way.

I have no idea why.

[artislife]

67. IKR

One Democratic candidate was the mayor of Baltimore. Baltimore! And the other one is so proud of her husband's war on the poor with NAFTA and Welfare Reform.

Shake my head, I should know better than to post on this site about anything like this. Here we all are entrenched on our sides with no budging anywhere.

But it makes me sad, and more determined to get a good seat tonight.

[winter is coming]

77. I know this: the news story won't be "Bernie speaks to 18K in Portland" anymore.

(Assuming his Portland crowd reaches capacity. I know they move to a larger venue, but I don't know whether it's expected to be a capacity crowd or not.)

[cali]

85. what's really a shame is that some fantastic speeches are now completely eclipsed

by this shit.

[winter is coming]

87. That's a feature, not a bug. n/t

[Puglover]

91. You're back!

You have been missed mucho! By myself and others!

[cali]

107. lol. many thanks

[jwirr]

66. You are correct - as far as I know he is the only one having the biggest events. And that could be

the reasoning.

[House of Roberts]

50. The woman's name was Marissa Jenae Johnson.

If you do a search for that name and add Black Lives Matter, she shows up as a Seattle BLM organizer.

[Fawke Em]

59. That's what the crowd is hearing, too.

I just asked someone on Twitter to explain more and that's what she said they were saying.

[rurallib]

17. Bernie leaving through the crowd. Event over

event over - what a shame.
There is a side of me that thinks there is someone behind the scenes.

[arcane1]

58. For a group that said they'd protest at "all" events, they sure seem to focus on one person.

[The empressof all]

20. Honestly...This looked like three teenagers having a hissy fit

What a shame. Honestly I don't understand how this is helpful to the movement. If someone can explain it to me I would be very appreciative....because I just don't get it.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

118. I was waiting for them to start fighting and throwing chairs...

like the "entertainment" offered up on trashy daytime teevee shows. Yeah, I don't get it either. They're in a progressive city with a candidate who supports progressives ideals (and wages), and they target HIM. If SS and Medicare are cut, African-Americans will be the hardest hit. Bernie wants to protect SS and Medicare. Do the clueless protesters not get that? They owe Sanders, the organizers, and the audience an apology.

[djean111]

21. I believe I am at the point where I am going to vote for Bernie for President - even if

he is not on the ballot.

[rurallib]

24. Much as I like Bernie, please do not do that

Republicans are scary beyond words

[djean111]

36. Sorry, but this only happens to Bernie, and I will not be manipulated.

Never happens to Ms. white hard-working folks support me and marriage is between a man and a woman.
Isn't that strange??????

[FuzzyRabbit]

22. Hey, look at me!

Clearly BLM in Seattle is not about black lives mattering. It is obviously not a serious movement.
It is only about those two young women seeking attention for themselves. In addition to getting lots of attention, hey also managed to piss people off about BLM.

[rurallib]

31. If they only confront Sanders and leave 17 repugs

alone, I would say they have lost any credibility. Candidate schedules are often published a week or more in advance.

[n8dogg83]

25. I am curious as to whether the Sanders campaign has reached out to the BLM....

organization since the NRN event for a sit down discussion . I would think that would be smart to do so if he hasn't. I also think he really needs to put together a specific set of policies addressing the BLM issues similar to how O'Malley did. I think he will listen to the activists and do that in short order.

[Ken Burch]

37. Yes. All good ideas. n/t.

[snagglepuss]

41. He has. Check out the many posts covering this in DU's

Bernie Sanders Forum, in the Topics section under Democrats.


Welcome to DU.

[n8dogg83]

133. I just noticed on another post that BLM did acknowledge....

that Bernie had reached out to them "quite consistently" since the NRN event. I also noticed on another post that the BLM group in Washington posted an official apology on Twitter. Maybe this was an unsanctioned action by a few of their members. I dunno. All I know is Bernie is the best candidate we have who will go to bat for their issues. I hope BLM recognizes that. its good to hold (and other Dems) accountable, but not to the point where you do more harm than good.

[Agschmid]

38. Nope.

[winter is coming]

42. No. Just no. n/t

[rurallib]

44. think before posting

[reddread]

62. me

it took an army to raze a village.

[MisterP]

131. heck, Garifuna are Afro-Caribbean and those people pouring into Lampedusa are literally African

[zappaman]

120. Right behind you!

Lead the way!

[Comrade Grumpy]

39. Brilliant move, BLM...

...if you want everybody to think you're nothing but a bunch of disruptive loud mouths.

Who only seem to target the candidate that actually wants to change the status quo. Weird, that...

[djean111]

46. Not weird at all, IMO. n/t

[winter is coming]

47. OTOH, if you're a couple of unidentified individuals who'd like to stir up

internet outrage against BLM, it's a dandy idea. I don't know who these women are, but the possibility that they're provocateurs should be considered.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

97. Could those loudmouths have acted any more Jerry Springer-ish?

http://www.kirotv.com/news/news/social-security-medicare-rally-featuring-sen-berni/nnGDm/

I guarantee #BLM, these types of aggressive stunts are NOT going to rally the masses to your cause.

[rocktivity]

45. What I heard the BLMer say was disorganized, rambling, and coached from the sidelines

You don't want to come across as sounding like you've been using the venue as a homeless shelter.

Now BLM is going to have to worry about handing Bernie the black vote purely out of guilt.


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[winter is coming]

121. Why not have the person doing the coaching do the speaking? n/t

[rocktivity]

123. I think it was because the speaker had light skin and long straight hair

while the coach had long thick braids in a ponytail. I think their strategy was that the speaker would have an easier time getting on the stage.


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[Cosmic Kitten]

51. K&R for visibility

Looks like BLM is trying to fuck Bernie?

[nolabear]

55. I can't figure out what they'd be happy with. Here's what happened:

I support Black Lives Matter but first they took the stage. After some argument they were given some time to say what they wanted, before what was an astonishingly accepting audience. The young woman at the mic first gave a sarcastic list of welcomes to Bernie "From Seattle, which was stolen from the Duwamish..." etc. Then she demanded 41/2 minutes of silence for Michael Brown, which they actually got with surprisingly little interruption. Then she began to demand that Bernie apologize to the people that didn't get to disrupt his earlier event.

After about 15 minutes he just left the stage and made his way through the crowd, shaking hands. I must say I was amazed at the lack of hysteria in the crowd. I could have imagined a far worse outcome.

This needs some kind of resolution.

[winter is coming]

84. I'm glad the crowd didn't overreact.

I think if I find myself at an event like this in the future, I'll simply turn my back to the stage and encourage others to do so.

[Fawke Em]

57. Just saw this on Twitter.

OK... the first time, at NetRoots Nation, it was a protest. Fine.

This is simply disrespectful.

He gets the plight of racism. He's worked on Civil Rights longer than I've been alive and continues to do so.

These people sound more like operatives for some other campaign.

[ibegurpard]

63. if they keep going back to this well

They are going to start calling into question the legitimacy of the entire movement. That is a horrifying thought...there is too much at stake for this to be dismissed as a political stalking horse.

[Cosmic Kitten]

78. Start calling the movement into question?... it's a done deal!

We are dealing with provocateurs.

The ONLY beneficiary here is Hillary.

[HappyPlace]

81. Who else?

Who else has the power and the workforce and the motive to direct this type of effort?

Maybe Huckabee or Jindal are behind it!

Yeah, that's probably it!

Or TRUMP!

You know, competition for craziest hair could drive the man to this sort of distraction!

[Cosmic Kitten]

90. I predict a backlash on a movement

Looks like a hand is being overplayed?

[HappyPlace]

103. It's utterly unbelievable that this was an authentic BLM disruption.

Bernie was right to just leave the stage, any push back would have made the kind of news that his opponents and the media would use against him, and except to let them have the mic for two minutes, letting them take over the show would have also had negative repercussions.

The best we can do is to try to open up a dialogue with legitimate representatives of BLM and arrange for a couple minutes of the next public appearance.

This was not a genuine act of protest, Sanders is not the person that BLM would go after this way.

[Cosmic Kitten]

108. BLM needs to dialog with the DoJ and Obama

[pugetres]

112. Then BLM is preparing their statements

to the effect that it wasn't an authentic BLM protest? Something is slowing them down?

[winter is coming]

117. What *is* a "genuine BLM protest"? Do they need BLM ID cards? Set talking points?

Seems to me that BLM has founders but not leaders and no control over how people choose to represent them.

[HappyPlace]

124. IMO there would be some press around it.

There would be a statement prior to or following the disruption if, in fact, it was an act sanctioned by even a local BLM organization.

It seems very unlikely that even a small organized group would send in two or three people to try to stir things up without a public statement.

As it stands, this looks like either a couple of people acting on their own behalf or plants sent in to disrupt.

Neither case can be said to be representative of the movement, in my opinion, without some supporting evidence like statements.

And, of course, if any such organization really wanted a voice at a Sanders event, they would probably be given one by just asking in advance.

Running up and shouting down the speakers is nothing but bad for the movement and for the candidate.

It makes no sense.

[winter is coming]

125. There *was* someone from the local BLM that had already spoken...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1170662

[HappyPlace]

128. Thank you for this!

[Cosmic Kitten]

129. Ben Carson is going to protest Bernie as a BLM representative too!

[peacebird]

98. I've started tweeting that BLM are swiftboating hacktavists

I was a supporter, but they are not targetting r's or Hillary, smells to high heaven.

[Cosmic Kitten]

101. Sure looks like swiftboaters?

[Fawke Em]

119. Sent you a PM.

I'm not getting any answers, either. I'm just being insulted.

[peacebird]

127. Following you now!

[ruffburr]

73. BLM -

Is being co-opted by Hillary, If they did this to a Hillary function they would be hauled to jail, Not given the microphone, I am in support of BLM but BLM needs to realize that they need the support of progressives to further their cause, Insulting progressives whom stand with you is akin to cutting off your nose to spite your face,

[LittleBlue]

75. BLM = Swift Boaters of 2016

17 crazy Republicans and a few Democrats to the right of Bernie. So who does BLM attack? Bernie of course.

BLM are Hillary dupes and people are waking up to it now.

[Agschmid]

88. ... FFS.

[LittleBlue]

96. That's right, I said it and won't back down

I stand by it. Until someone produces evidence that BLM is disrupting the folks who don't believe black lives matter.

[Agschmid]

99. Your entitled to say it.

And I'm entitled to say it is bull shit.

[LittleBlue]

102. And I'm entitled to call you out for following

A group that is attacking the most liberal candidate while ignoring anti-black candidates.

Cruz and friends are laughing their asses off. Thanks for providing their entertainment.

[Agschmid]

105. Your calling me out for supporting Sanders...

That's fine.

It is what it is, but do you think they republicans even give a shit?

Hint: They don't.

[Cosmic Kitten]

106. Those people ruined that event for hundreds of others

WAAAAY out of line and uncalled for!

[Cosmic Kitten]

93. Patsy or dupes, looks bad either way

[WorseBeforeBetter]

111. That Jerry Springer bullshit behavior will not rally the masses to their cause.

Hillary hangs out with the Kartrashians at $2,700 per head fundraisers, and #BLM attacks Sanders, and only Sanders. Yeah, something stinks about these #BLM stunts.

[peacebird]

130. BLM is funded by Soros. Soros is a hillary supporter. Follow the money.

[sadoldgirl]

79. Up to now I believed that BLM had good

reasons to confront all democratic candidates,
but this was a purposeful disruption after the
4.5 minutes of "silence".

They knew that the crowd would get mad at them, if
they did not allow Bernie to speak,yet they did not care.

Whether they were paid or not it was planned to
put Bernie on the spot. And they were fully aware
that the audience now will detest that movement.

So, yes, there is an intent to discredit Bernie from
someone behind the curtains,and if he keeps more
rallies and town home meetings it will happen again
and again, I suspect.

[winter is coming]

86. Maybe angering a crowd on video was a goal.

Look! Those white progressives don't support our cause at all!!!

[MoveIt]

92. It was a mess

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I watched the stream live and this was a mess. Bernie did the right thing and left after he ran out of time for the next event. At one point it looked like some of the event organizers were trying to get them to stop, but to no avail.

[ruffburr]

94. Actually-

I believe this ripped it, If they don't try using a little respect none will be given.

[Cosmic Kitten]

100. +1 Way out of line and disrespectful!

Bernie has done NO HARM to the
community that is HARASSING him!

Maybe BLM should talk to Obama and the DoJ...
not presidential candidates who support their cause!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

95. The only people who are talking about Bernie and the Black vote are

Hillary's people.

[rocktivity]

132. UPDATE: They've issued an apology

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141170737

Cue the Vonage Theme!


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