BLM Outliers want to wage war on white liberals.

[romanic]

It's obvious. They don't want allies, they want enemies. I've seen it so many times with these kind of outliers, people so prejudiced and spiteful that they'll adopt a cause and fight against it and against white allies/other POC so the struggle can go on. Those women don't represent BLM anymore than a white Republican would. They didn't take the opportunity to talk about Brown or Garner or Bland, instead they physically threatened an old man on stage and acted like fools.

I'm just saying it like it is. As a POC myself, a Sanders supporter, and someone who wants equality; I will stand with white liberals who are willing to fight alongside us against discrimination and racism.

[TheProgressive]

1. Just leave...please....

[cali]

4. why? or do you agree that white liberals are white supremacists.

I don't want the op to.leave and your comment was rude bull.

[TheProgressive]

6. Really cali, this is your reply?

[cali]

11. why yes. care to explain either or both your rather cryptic and

meaningless posts?

[TheProgressive]

13. No, not to you now...

[Ken Burch]

21. You seem to be setting yourself up as a person entitled to sit in godlike judgment of the rest of us

Why do you feel entitled to do that?

[7962]

59. Because the post made too much sense and some dont like the curtain pulled back. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

67. Well that curtain is wide open now. nt

[Hortensis]

71. Roughly half of all black people are CONSERVATIVE. It's the basic personality-wiring thing.

OF COURSE a normal proportion of those are the kind of hard social conservatives who are hostile to liberals and to people of other colors, religions, and ethnicities (the outliers from THEIR point of view).

Understand that and the behavior of some in this group comes into focus. Black cons have a real problem -- today's GOP is their enemy, pushing many to turn to leftward activist groups for help and to a Democratic Party whose policies some can't stand any more than their tea-party soulmates.

BTW, research has shown that the percentage of conservatives in a population is HIGHER in hot climates. I haven't read how that would affect numbers for our country (aside from the striking confirmation offered in general by political demographic maps), but most of our black citizens in this country are clustered in southern states. Here in Georgia they're almost a third of the population, with those who register and vote being predominantly Democrat, BUT!

[Bobbie Jo]

73. What?

i don't know what kind of point you're trying to make with that gobbledygook, but take it elsewhere.

[okasha]

75. Second the motion.

I haven't had enough caffeine yet to even try to sort that out. I guess "conservatives in hot climates" whitesplains all those Latin American leftists from.Mexico to Venezuela.

[LWolf]

80. I don't think that these 2 women were that kind of outlier.

The references elsewhere to the BAR make better sense.

[ladjf]

77. Cali's response was better than yours. nt

[romanic]

5. I'm not going anywhere.

[PDittie]

28. Thanks.

For not leaving and for sharing your opinion.

[840high]

54. Good.

[Polly Hennessey]

103. I kinda agree with you, Romanic

p.s. I've been here at DU since 2003. I'm a Democrat;always have been. My intuition tells me that the BLMers are doing more harm than good. I don't have many posts because I listen and learn from most of you. Just wanted to let you know you are not alone.

[Ken Burch]

14. Why?

There was nothing offensive in the OP.

[TheProgressive]

16. It is offensive speculation. I would think DU is better than that.

That's my opinion.

[Ken Burch]

19. It's not your place to tell people to leave.

And a lot of OPs involve at least some speculation.

[TheProgressive]

22. I stick by my opinion.

I consider the post racists and not up to the standards of DU discussion.

I consider the thread post as 'stirring hate' that we all don't need that right now.

Ok...

[Ken Burch]

23. the appropriate response would have been to alert on the OP as potentially offensive

Not to tell another poster to stop posting.

[TheProgressive]

24. I am not one to alert posters....

My response has more meaning than an 'alert'....

[Live and Learn]

31. I am surprised that no one alerted on your post.

I certainly found it rude and offensive.

[TheProgressive]

33. Please, help yourself to the alert button...

[Maedhros]

76. I'll help myself to the ignore feature.

/bye.

[MyNameGoesHere]

34. It was and it passed

along DU party lines to stay.

[Live and Learn]

35. Interesting. Thanks for the info. nt

[TheProgressive]

42. Any chance you can post the results?

And, what does 'passed along part lines' mean? Thanks...

[MyNameGoesHere]

44. Nope

all I will say is it was judged to leave it and it was along party lines.

[TheProgressive]

45. What parties do you refer to?

[SunSeeker]

51. I thought we are all of the same party here. What other party or parties are you talking about? nt

[cherokeeprogressive]

55. LOL. No, it doesn't.

[cali]

37. disgusting. how.low can you go? calling the op racist

is just horrid.

[romanic]

43. It's fine.

I've been accused of many things already because I don't exactly "toe the line" one some thing or I let the emotion get the better of me and lash out. I've been reigning it in lately, I truly want things to change for the better and sometimes you got to say how you feel without a filter.

[TheProgressive]

46. For the record, romanic, I did not call you a racist...

Your post however, was uncalled for.

In my opinion, pitting races against each other is not a good thing to do.

Maybe I am wrong- maybe I am right.

If I am wrong on this, I am sorry....

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

63. What is better speculation? That the Clinton camp paid them?

I don't think it's crazy at all that a couple of members of BLM Seattle didn't like their leadership agreeing to "play nice" for a speaking spot before Bernie.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

17. I'm not sure why you would post such a thing.

Nervous?

[NaturalHigh]

27. Why should the OP leave?

If you think the post is offensive, you have an alert button.

[840high]

52. WTH?

[Number23]

68. Edit. Don't even know why I kicked this disgusting thread.

[Stellar]

74. You are correct....

Think about this...

It's obvious. They don't want allies, they want enemies. I've seen it so many times with these kind of outliers, people so prejudiced and spiteful that they'll adopt a cause and fight against it and against white allies/other POC so the struggle can go on.

As if Black people need more hate in their lives and they pick fights with everyone that they can. They just love police killing their unarmed kids and they're asking for more killings by anybody.

What amazes me is how people just fall in line with what this person is saying. How do they know s/he is not a troll? That person is telling folks things they want/need to hear. That anger has to go somewhere and they put a bullseye on them. So perhaps one of them can be shot at one of Bernies appearances. That will get Blacks to vote for Bernie for sure.

[romanic]

84. You got me all wrong.

But if that's what you get from my OP, well i can't change your mind. You have a right to your opinion and I have a right to mine.

[NaturalHigh]

104. Fail.

[villager]

2. You wonder if someone wants the movement to be sabotaged from within?

I've certainly seen that playbook in leftist/progressive circles before. Particularly in the 80's, when activist environmental groups were suddenly getting too "successful."

[romanic]

7. I wouldn't say sabotage.

But twist the soul of the movement into something more vicious.

[villager]

15. But that also benefits outside interests

...and I've seen that game played in decades, and movements, past.

[romanic]

18. You do have a point.

Scary to think of that but I didn't want to believe it could be possible.

[Mbrow]

30. When we marched in Seattle against

The WTO, again in San Diego and L.A. We would get police in plain clothes marching in the streets with us, acting like our people but stirring shit up with calls to do violence and do damage. How could we tell they were Cops? It's all in the footwear, plus the fact that when they were called out on it, the police lines magically opened up and let them out. Nothing would surprise me about actions aimed at Bernie or any other outsider candidate .

[99th_Monkey]

62. +10 nt

[Live and Learn]

32. It was used against Occupy too. nt

[HooptieWagon]

3. Not outliers. Founders of BLM Seattle.

It was official business.

[romanic]

8. Which BLM Seattle?

There's two completely different Facebook pages claiming to be BLM Seattle? The older one (which is more likely legit) weren't even in the know as to what one of the women (Marissa) was planning to do that day.

[HooptieWagon]

26. One was a 16 yo kid.

The other is by the woman disrupter.

[MrScorpio]

9. Uhhh… Nope. nt

[HereSince1628]

20. -this- is what it means to not control the message.

Many folks supporting BLM may reject that, but the choice of interpretation doesn't belong to them. It belongs to all those not necessarily friendly folks among all the other groups that make up -the- other group.

Psychologists tell us it only takes 10 percent reinforcement to birth a meme.

[MyNameGoesHere]

10. "instead they physically threatened an old man on stage and acted like fools. "

Are you sure about that? I haven't seen the full tape but of what I have seen no one was shitting their pants out of fear.

[cali]

12. yes. they did.

[MyNameGoesHere]

60. Well I am glad we have lowered the

standard of "threatening bodily harm". How do we rate a bullet to the head of a hunted race? Yawn?

[WorseBeforeBetter]

56. Watch the video.

If someone got up in my face like that, I might have reacted ENTIRELY differently. But I'm not someone accustomed to being on the national stage... Sanders handled it well.

[GoneFishin]

25. Of course. Because everyone knows their true support will come from racist Republicans and

apathetic blue dog and corporatist Democrats.

[John Crock]

29. blm=morons

So someone with a 93% ACLU rating (32% higher than hrc) spent a lifetime working for poor, middle class, income inequality, healthcare, education and similar- these MORONS think republicans will be better? How stupid can you get?

[Dragonfli]

36. more likely operatives - not the true movement that needs and has the support of actual progressives

(sent forth by the wealth backed folks that play progressives on TV or the Republicans who do not even bother to hide their anti-Black Lives agenda)

Us older folk have seen these tricks before:

Put a wedge between those whose lives literally are at stake and the allies that would help them. All of the Republicans and the establishment Dems do not have a life long record of supporting equality for all (some may evolve in a triangle shaped pattern, but only one of the players had the backs of the oppressed consistently for fifty years, attacking the strongest ally is no accident.)

It is called a Rovian tactic these days but the tactic predates that turd.

[flamingdem]

40. Just wrote a similar opinion down thread

It reminds me of operatives of yore

[zeemike]

65. Yep it is nothing new.

We saw it back in the 60s and there is evidence that it was a FBI program instituted by Hover.

Dived and conquer...it works. And is working still.

[TM99]

66. I saw it in the 1980's

in the anti-nuclear arms movement.

Agent provocateurs are very well known. They can be plants. In our case, they were often military. They can also be convenient patsies. Find someone with wood to burn and abject rage. Point them in a direction, and let them do as much harm as possible.

[shenmue]

47. Maybe you need to learn about how to win your audience

Calling people morons isn't going to win anyone to your cause.

Two posts in, and already the insults?

Enjoy your stay.

[840high]

57. No - they think Hillary will be better. Go figure.

[JackInGreen]

64. Dude no name calling

Remember. Keep it like Bernie.

[Recursion]

38. 22% of the Democratic party is black. 18% of the party supports Sanders

BLM are not the "outliers" here.

[romanic]

41. Who said BLM were the outliers?

I clearly meant outliers to BLM itself, which is what Marissa (one of the women seen on stage) was with her affiliation with another group.

[flamingdem]

39. Those two looked like operatives

Not for Hillary but for some kind of extremist group. In the olden days these types worked for the SWP or RCP and would disrupt liberal activist groups - mostly true believers but sometimes paid by more formal sources - talking 1980s ish.

[shenmue]

48. Wow

Talk about not knowing how to take criticism.

[flamingdem]

49. I was right, they are extremists

Beholden to an obscure group of black nationalists. Been there, seen this. Ideologs help no one in a mass movement.

[MisterP]

50. there's actually been a big attack on allies on Tumblr: they're accused of riding discrimination

for their own ends--and that's the Tumblrinas' job!

there's a turnover coming down the pike, and pretty soon, like when a lot of second-wave feminists accused transwomen of being male "infiltrators" into the hallowed halls of womanhood (I wish I were making this up)

[cer7711]

53. Ready, Fire, Aim

What was accomplished here?

Now, if they had shut down a Klan rally . . .

[mudstump]

61. Dear Bernie Sanders,

Please hire some security asap. I worry about your safety given the fact that you are speaking truth to the status quo and the oligarchs and plutocrats that run this country or those who want to run it are going to bring out everything they have to marginalize you, your message, your huge crowds and the money you have raised. These people who disrupted your rally should have never have had access to you or the stage. Security should have stopped them and if they continued to disrupt they should have been removed. You have too many enemies and not enough security.

[stranger81]

69. ***THIS***

And welcome to DU.

[George II]

70. Watch the video or check the photographs...

....as Sanders walked out, there was a "security" person looking STRAIGHT at the black woman with her arm in the air - RIGHT AT HER. Seconds later, she was on stage with Sanders.

Why wasn't she stopped or restrained? He looked twice her size.

With all the conspiracy theories being floated out there are Hillary Clinton being behind the disruptions, how do we know that Sanders' people weren't behind it? That would accomplish two things - open the floodgates of outrageous indignation against both Hillary Clinton AND BLM. Two birds with one stone.

[djean111]

78. Bwahahahaha! You get the prize for the longest reach of the year! BERNIE's PEOPLE ARE

BEHIND THIS? What bullshit.

[George II]

81. It's as plausible as Clinton's campaign or George Soros being behind it, a theory which...

...was all the rage here last night.

[djean111]

82. No, not really. n/t

[ismnotwasm]

72. FFS

[angel123]

79. BLM

As a wise man once said: "All my skin folk, ain't my kin folk."

[romanic]

85. So im a sellout then.

Got ya. -_-

[Babel_17]

83. Their cause is just

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Their cause is just so focusing their energy might not seem very important. I don't want to generalize their mindset, I just hope that over time they'll come to more appreciate the power and relevance of the Sanders candidacy. They've got a right to their skepticism but as this narrative unfolds I think they'll see people they trust and respect giving their nod of approval to Senator Sanders.

[Adrahil]

86. Oh yeah.... This thread will help......

[bravenak]

87. Kick

[bravenak]

88. Kick

[bravenak]

89. Kick

[bravenak]

90. Kick. It is halloween!

[bravenak]

91. Ten more

[bravenak]

92. Ha

[bravenak]

93. Yeah

[bravenak]

94. ()

[bravenak]

95. Go

[bravenak]

96. Five

[bravenak]

97. Four

[bravenak]

98. Three

[bravenak]

99. Boom

[bravenak]

100. Dang this took forever

[portlander23]

101. nope

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Seriously, just no. People get to choose their own allies.

[Kalidurga]

102. I am pretty sure white liberals are not their target to wage war on.

It looks more like they want to have a conversation with white liberals and perhaps neither side knows how to make that happen. I think we should just sit tight and watch this play out if we can't participate in what is happening at the moment.