I have been saying since the beginning that Hillary has an excitement problem....

[Joe the Revelator]

and now I'm backed up by a poll.

Face it, aside from those who look back longingly on the 90's, people aren't 'FIRED UP and READY TO GO' for Hillary. She brings nothing but old news and old politics to the table. And its starting to bite her.

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According to the poll, just 35% of New Hampshire Democratic voters said they are "excited" about Clinton's campaign. And 38% of Democrats have a "very favorable" impression of Clinton (though eight in 10 Democrats do view her favorably in general).

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-new-hampshire-2015-8

[Metric System]

1. That's one poll from one state.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. Ok?

[Agschmid]

3. It happens that it's an important state.

[Metric System]

5. What I meant is that it could be an outlier. Regardless, I have no problem with a competitive

primary. The candidate that emerges will be stronger for it.

[bigdarryl]

40. No blacks in that state it's mostly Caucasian

[Agschmid]

50. Honestly that doesn't matter.

NH and IA go first, and the outcome of those elections determine the swing of a primary.

At this point I think we should move away from state by state primary but that's another issue completely.

[Hortensis]

61. What matters is realizing how long and hard the GOP has worked to create "Hillary fatigue" in us.

They been running her for 2016 ever since she lost the primary to Obama in 2004, never allowing more than a few days to go by without pushing her "candidacy" back into the news.

[AgingAmerican]

53. One state where voters are actually looking at the candidates

More to follow as the primaries close in.

[brooklynite]

4. Perhaps because she hasn't started campaigning yet?

Her campaign laid out a program back in the spring and she's followed it methodically:
1) listening tour in the spring
2) rolling out policies in the summer
3) public campaigning in the fall

Sorry if it's not exciting for you.

[Joe the Revelator]

6. Oh come on....Hillary is not an unknown upstart from Idaho...

Everyone knows who she is, and if people were going to be excited by her, it would be showing in polls like this (not to mention her crowds).

1. Former first lady
2. Former Senator from a nearby state
3. Former Sec. of State
4. Former Candidate who spent a ton of time in New Hampshire in 07/08


Lets not act like she's some unknown quantity.

[riversedge]

7. Also she has started

to smackdown a few Republicans already.

[Le Taz Hot]

22. She hasn't started campaigning yet?

Did you just type that with a straight face? Hillary's been campaigning since 2000!

[restorefreedom]

45. lol. and dead on balls accurate. nt

[brooklynite]

47. 2008 Primary results...

Barack Obama (very exciting): 18 M votes
Hillary Clinton (not so exciting): 18 M votes

so much for excitement

[JackInGreen]

49. I think she took a brief break

Being secretary of state. I can't say a lot of the "cast iron hardcase" imaging (fairly accurate and kudos to being a badass. I wanted to use another word but it's verboten even in compliment) hurt her prospectiveness though I doubt that it was entirely intentional.

[virtualobserver]

29. that must be why the DNC didn't schedule debates

Hillary doesn't start campaigning until the fall

[artislife]

41. Where's the like button?

[onehandle]

8. New Hampshire is hardly representative of the country. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

9. These responses are so predictable....in fact they were predicted

in the original thread regarding this poll. Its awesome.

[onehandle]

11. Doesn't make it untrue. nt

[Joe the Revelator]

10. Furthermore, what state would you say really showcased the EXCITEMENT based around Hillary?

Where are people really fired up and ready to go? What stadiums is she packing? What overflow crowds is she speaking in front of?

[SonderWoman]

12. Yet she's leading 54-18.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. How soft is that support? Again, I'm asking about the excitement quotient. Hillary does not....

....have it.

[magicmama]

25. Incorrect. In NH, Bernie is leading 44-37

According to a recent poll released from yesterday. And that was a state poll which has significant strength than national polls.

[SonderWoman]

26. NH doesn't elect presidents, all 50 states do.

And the pollster is a rightwinger.

[frylock]

36. Pretty impressive for a newcomer like her

[onehandle]

14. She's not having big rallies yet.

This was mentioned upthread.

And you seem to be saying Senator Sanders without saying Senator Sanders.

Ralph Nader had many super-rallies with tens of thousands in attendance. He had 100,000 in just a couple of weeks.

And this was 15 years ago. Sound familiar?

Look familiar?:



And no I'm not saying he's a spoiler, I'm saying he's a flash in the pan.

Do you think all of these people at Senator Sander's super-rallies just showed up out of nowhere?

Nope. It was arranged and advertised. Same as Nader's. And Nader even charged admission.

[Romulox]

15. She's not having big rallies, because there's little grassroots excitement for her. It's a vicious

cycle.

[Joe the Revelator]

17. This is exactly it. If there were big rallies to be had, she would have them. Instead....

....she has small fundraisers.

[onehandle]

18. She is 40-50 points ahead. There is no reason to spend that kind of money yet.

Welcome to politics 101.

[Romulox]

20. She loses support the more people hear her talk. Maybe she can run a silent campaign?

[virtualobserver]

30. she prefers to run a silent auction

[artislife]

42. Heee! nt

[Joe the Revelator]

16. Its a feeling man, backed up now by poll data.

[magicmama]

27. Bernie's rallies were advertised?

Not one dollar was spent on advertising about his rallies. That is significant. People came to Bernie because they heard about him and wanted to learn more. They get excited by listening what Bernie had to say, and they talk about it. Twitter, Facebook, social media technology sustains the excitement.

I barely see anything of Clinton's on Facebook or Twitter that shows any level of excitement. Barely anything, in fact.

[onehandle]

31. Word of mouth, web, and social media announcements are advertising. nt

[magicmama]

32. And how much did it cost Bernie?

Zero dollars.

[onehandle]

34. The venues cost money. A lot of money.

And again, 40-50 points ahead.

And you are clearly not reading upthread, so I am done with you.

[magicmama]

39. Yes, the venues are the only expense he has to pay...

But the advertising is free. Clinton probably will have to make ads to get them *AWARE* that she exists and wants to have a rally.

Her rally in NYC netted only 5,500 and nobody was in the overflow section. Bernie, on the other hand consistently packs the arenas and have overflow areas also packed. That's the excitement factor as noted on OP (Note I'm staying on topic). People *KNOW* who Clinton is, and who she represents. Her planned foray into rallies will fall short in the fall in terms of excitement and number will pale compared to Bernie's rallies.

Her "listening tour" is a complete waste of time.

[oregonjen]

35. I think it was announced 10 days before Bernie came to PDX.

In that time, they moved from the Memorial Coliseum to the Moda Center because of the number of people who RSVP'd via social media. I'd say he has a lot of people interested in his message. The local news organizations did announce it as well, along with Hillary's private fundraiser she was having a few days before Bernie.

[BeyondGeography]

19. You'd have to be pretty damned compelling

to be able to generate excitement after nearly a quarter of a century of public life at the highest levels.

Correction; nobody is that compelling.

The only potential "excitement" I see is Hillary-as-first-woman-President. But for me at least that is dulled by the pre-ordained nature of Hillary as the after-Obama nominee, which has been the feeling since 2008. That's a long time.

Hillary feels imposed, not the result of a natural competition. Too much talent is on the sidelines, starting with Warren. Not her fault that she's up 30-40 points nationally, 70-80 points with blacks and enjoys a similarly massive edge with Latinos. We'll see if it all works out in the end, but I do think she will be fighting this particular battle through next Nov.

[artislife]

44. There were a lot of brown faces

In LA and Tuscon. You know, where there is a large population.

My Latina self was in Seattle.

[Motown_Johnny]

21. It is early in the process...

and she has been known to everyone for a very long time.

These two things can combine to quell any excitement factor.

It is the trustworthy numbers that worry me. If those continue to be upside down for her, she can't argue against the GOP smears that will be endless. If people don't trust her they won't believe her rebuttals.

[NorthCarolina]

23. Hillary fatigue, been around too long in the public eye, and she carries too much baggage

making her an easy target for the GOP and the conservative media outlets. I personally think that in a General election she would be toast.

[treestar]

24. If only people would get so excited about Congress

Instead of just letting the same old people slide in.

Hillary would be the first woman to be President, and that'll excite a lot of people (the Republicans negatively).

I'm not so big on excitement. Most people live their lives without reference to who is President. And most people don't think of Hillary as all the labels put on her about banking, insurance, corporations, war hawk, etc.

[HFRN]

28. excitement requires one of two conditions

either

1) widespread contentment with the status quo

or

2) perception that the candidate is an outsider that was not part of creating the status quo

simple as that

[TwilightGardener]

33. Well, her excitement problem may soon be eclipsed by her legal problems.

Hard to see how the FBI could criminally charge Petraeus and not Hillary Clinton--both mishandled and gave unauthorized people top secret materials.

[virtualobserver]

37. that might cause a different kind of excitement

I can't see anyone charging a Secretary of State with anything like that.

[TwilightGardener]

38. Well, who foresaw the head of the CIA spending two years on probation?

But yeah, that would be exciting in a different way. Hillary's best defense is that her counterpart and lackey, Leon Panetta, was even worse at handling classified info.

[uponit7771]

64. Petraeus did so KNOWINGLY while committing a crime, Hillary did not, the Hillary hate is obnoxious

[John Poet]

43. But Hillary is the most electa---

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[restorefreedom]

46. any poll that is not a screaming hillary slam dunk

has to be wrong

c'mon,people! how many times do we have to be told?

[apnu]

48. New Hampshire? Bernie's back yard? Really?

Wake me when we get close to Super Tuesday please.

[Joe the Revelator]

59. hahaha. How far away do you think New York is? What state did Hillary win in 08?

That saved her from a quicker elimination?

[azmom]

51. My daughter and her friends are all

Feminists. They can't even get excited about her. She represents the 90's to them.

[Metric System]

55. And a man in his 70s represents...?

[azmom]

57. That was my question to them because

They are all young and a little ageist, if you ask me.

I believe that Uncle B ( that's their nickname for him) resonated with them because they had never heard of him before so to them he was new. The way he speaks, his honesty, and the fact that he was the first candidate to campaign for free college is also a factor.

All of her friends are graduating with debt and they are fearful that they won't be able to find jobs once they graduate. Bernie has tapped into that.

[AtomicKitten]

63. Love it: Uncle B.

I have to admit I'm pleasantly surprised at the level of interest young people are giving his campaign. It shows they are interested in an issue-based election. Their feeling the Bern is really encouraging in this cynical world.

[rock]

52. If a voter is 'FIRED UP and READY TO GO'

for a candidate, that brings one vote to him. If a voter is 'for' a candidate, that brings one vote to him. See the difference?

[ibegurpard]

54. Yes I do

The one that is fired up and ready to go will be talking to all their friends and acquaintances...which equals one vote and potentially more.

[Joe the Revelator]

58. Would you rather have a fired up group of supporters, or just a 'meh, whatever' group?

Again, just look back on 2008 to see where that gets you.

[JI7]

56. so that should be a positive for the other candidates.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

60. First off, one poll

Second, she doesn't need to generate the same amount of excitement. She already has a lot of people committed to her candidacy from the outset. Bernie has the much tougher job of convincing people to switch from her to him.

[Sunlei]

62. Her and exciting Bernie will make a good team.

[uponit7771]

65. Says FAUX news, NOT glad to see this meme repeated here... I'll pound ground for whomever is the

... candidate no doubt.

I'm fired up and ready to NOT have a republican in the Oval Office