It looks like Hillary is losing her shine with the DNC.

[Le Taz Hot]

Her campaign can spin all day long but they understand trajectory as well as anyone else. That's why the DNC is floating Biden and Gore trial balloons. So, her support is and has always been: 1) Yellow Dog Democrats, 2) the DNC Party Machine, and 3) Wall Street. Yellow Dogs and Wall Street will continue to back her but when 1/3 of your support is sniffing elsewhere AND your trajectory continues in a sharp, downward motion, you're in serious trouble.

[RussBLib]

1. I wonder if this email stuff if going to sink her?

it seems to get worse by the day/week

[ladjf]

3. She might be falling behind because she is doing next to nothing to get elected.

And, IMO , she is very boring.

[fbc]

37. She is soliciting money

I think someone told Hillary that if you get to a billion there's no voting and you just win.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

63. It's like I said earlier, she's a bad at reaching out to people.....

As such, her campaign is all about the people reaching out to her and if you don't than there's something wrong with you.

[Fawke Em]

68. She's not even stumping at the Iowa State Fair Soapbox.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/07/31/des-moines-register-political-soapbox-calendar-iowa-state-fair/30852739/

Talk about not reaching out to people.

I thought people in Iowa and New Hampshire got pissed when presidential politicians don't participate in their joie de faire.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

71. It's like McCain strolling through Baghdad.

[Fawke Em]

77. 100 soliders, three blackhawks and two gunships.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

92. "People die at the fair."

[Le Taz Hot]

84. "joie de faire"

LOL! I like that!

[Fawke Em]

135. I took five years of French.

One in middle school, two in high school and two in college.

That saying, literally means, "what's fun" or "what gets your jollies."

[AverageGuy]

91. Wow, I did not know that

She is not playing to win, but rather not to lose (as football announcers would say)

As any football fan knows, this is the quickest way to lose

Her lost to Obama really spooked her

This is the view of a person who supports her because she was the most likely to beat a Republican, but now is having second thoughts

[Spitfire of ATJ]

93. "...the most likely to beat a Republican"

Actually, she's more likely to mobilize Republican turnout.

They'll show up in droves just to vote against her.

[George II]

110. Unfortunately that's just another lie being spread to discredit her. She IS in Iowa now..

...and will be there all weekend, and is appearing at the State Fair on Sunday.

[jfern]

125. Exactly, Tom Dewey 1948

[George II]

109. She's in Iowa, will be there all weekend, and will speak at the State Fair on Sunday.

[George II]

104. Boring? She's running for President, not homecoming queen

[ladjf]

108. I think boring is a bad characteristic for anyone who

works with the public. When she speaks , she rarely says anything interesting or creative. (Just my opinion.)

[oasis]

128. Not promising "Pie in the Sky" = boring.

[Chan790]

138. Running for President is lot like running for Homecoming Court.

It's not about how smart you are or nice or able...it's a popularity contest. Being boring is about as bad for electability as being rabid. (Droolers don't get elected.)

If Hillary can't help but be boring and unlikeable and cold...she's already lost. Hard truths being what they are. You can't win the Presidency and be Hillary...you've got to be Bill or Barack or...cripes I hate saying this...Dubya. People have to like you; find you warm and caring and fun; and be interested in you.

[Le Taz Hot]

5. I seriously think only the MSM and the Republicans

are interested in that issue. I don't think it's a factor in the primaries. If she were to get the nomination; however, it's all anyone would talk about. I think that's part of the reason the DNC is looking elsewhere. She's not looking quite so "inevitable" anymore.

[SonderWoman]

7. MSM, Republicans, and DU.

Fixed it for you.

[Le Taz Hot]

8. Well, I'm sure Skinner, et al

will thank you for making DU the equivalent in importance with MSM & Republicans but, we're really not. We're a message board where mostly political junkies hang out and that's how far out our influence goes.

[haikugal]

32. DU used to be much more than that. nt

[Le Taz Hot]

55. It did indeed

and I still think all kinds of people in and out of power lurk here. But in 2001, there wasn't that much competition for political junkies. Now there's lots of alternatives.

[daleanime]

11. I thought we were suppose to worry....

about the candidate's elect-ably?

Did I not get the memo?

[Snotcicles]

12. -1. nt

[JoePhilly]

2. So Hillary doesn't control the DNC?

That's been the common wisdom on DU for quite a while now.

The DNC and Hillary are one and the same.

The depths of the conspiracy can get confusing I guess.

[Le Taz Hot]

6. No, Hillary doesn't control the DNC.

Several people control the DNC and they decide who/how much support they're going to give to what candidates. DWS is the face they put on it and Hillary is their candidate, well, at least for the moment. Neither Biden nor Gore seems to have garnered too much excitement so far so I think she's safe for now.

[JoePhilly]

10. We'll have to let the rest of DU know.

[Wilms]

19. Most know already.

You've seen the polls here?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. The polls showing her thirty six points ahead

Oh, wait, she's trailing in one outlier poll in homogeneous New Hampshire.

[MADem]

39. Outlier poll by a right wing GOP newspaper that endorsed Romney and Scott Brown, too.....

Yeah--that's just so dispositive!!!!! But hey--who are we to bring these things up? That sketchy Herald poll is the ticket! Argument done right there--pack it up, Hill--The Dee Yew has spoken!



When ya have to hop in bed with the right wing to score a win, that's a problem!

[roguevalley]

42. all it takes I'd one loss at the start to

Set the lose meme. Just watch

[MADem]

53. Ha ha ha!

Hitch your wagon to the Boston Herald all you'd like!





?itok=dQ5n7w5L

[libdem4life]

101. That's just not a pretty picture from so many angles.

Maybe it should read "The Posse out to bag the Wild Hair or the Wild Bore" They both work.

[roguevalley]

107. :D

I never said that. But enjoy putting words into my mouth. She who laughs last laughs best. Have a good day and peace, Madem.

Only time will tell.

[Fawke Em]

81. That would be "purty" if we elected presidents on a national basis.

But, we don't.

We elect them state-by-state.

And, it's early, yet.

I like Bernie's trajectory.

Hillary's is going the wrong way.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

112. The results would be "purty" if the rest of the nation was as homogeneous...

That would be "purty" if we elected presidents on a national basis. But, we don't. We elect them state-by-state.

And, it's early, yet.

I like Bernie's trajectory.

Hillary's is going the wrong way.

The results from the outlier New Hampshire poll would be "purty" if the rest of the nation was as homogeneous as New Hampshire but alas it isn't. I just got back from seeing "Straight Outta Compton" in suburban Los Angeles. There were more non majority people in the theater than in the entire state of New Hampshire.

[1StrongBlackMan]

113. How was it? ...

BabyGirl 1SBM comes in tomorrow morning ... the family is going to see it tomorrow night.

I saw an interview with the cast ... What moved me was them recounting how there were shooting a seen about the L.A. riots and came home to watch Ferguson on TV ... it dawned on them that they were watching the same thing, for the same issue, a generation later.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

115. I enjoyed it...I am a old head...

Dre is a musical genius. He developed Tupac, Eminem, and Snoop... What a resume...

Cube is another genius...

Both Jerry Heller and Suge Knight came off poorly...Both exploited the talent they managed.

The party scenes were crazy...


As Chuck D said, "rap is the CNN of the urban center."

____________

I told Liberal Stalwart this story. My gf and I rented a room from a woman who had a home in Van Nuys. Her daughter was a friend of O'Shea Jackson, Ice's son and the man who played him in the movie, when they were in high school together. She went to a Lakers game with him and said the security was massive. She also met Ice Cube and asked him if she could call him Cube. He said "call me Mr. Jackson."

[1StrongBlackMan]

116. Thanks ... I'll let you know what I think sometime Sunday ...

I would love for someone to do a biopic on Public Enemy! BabyGirl was raised on his science ... If you ever get a chance to meet her, ask her "How do you treat the people around you?"

I buy you dinner if her response isn't: "If you can't change the people around you/change the people around you" and she will tell you exactly the layers of what that means.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

119. I saw Public Enemy at JJ Whispers nightclub in Orlando in 7/90

Interesting crowd: a lot of seemingly suburban and middle and upper middle class white and black young people, probably living a bit vicariously.

[ismnotwasm]

114. ...

[George II]

120. He's "competitive" (a subjective term) in the 95% white state of New Hampshire, but roughly 20%...

....behind everywhere else.

He's even getting creamed in Florida, a state that has a very large demographic similar to his own - Senior Jewish people from New York City.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

121. I prefer the term homogeneous. It is less loaded.

FL's demographics is decidedly heterogeneous.

[George II]

122. True, but I just wanted to point out the similarity of a large segment of voters in Florida...

...that is very similar to Sanders' background, and state-wide he's not getting the support that one would expect.

But for some bizarre reason, many of the NYC retirees who migrate to Florida are conservative republicans.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

123. ....

True, but I just wanted to point out the similarity of a large segment of voters in Florida......that is very similar to Sanders' background, and state-wide he's not getting the support that one would expect. But for some bizarre reason, many of the NYC retirees who migrate to Florida are conservative republicans

.

Most Jewish retirees retire to Fl's east coast and most are Democrats. Most WASP retirees retire to FL's west coast and most are Republicans.

Also, FL is only 3.3% Jewish so it isn't as if they are a large voting bloc.

[Wilms]

82. I've heard the point you're making.

And I see the trend lines on that chart.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

64. The DNC doesn't always obey the DLC....

If it did we would be in Hillary's second term already.

[Le Taz Hot]

86. The DNC saw they had a better bet with Obama

in that Obama was just as corporate friendly, got the youth and minority votes and had less baggage.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

94. If Hillary gets in and Republicans hold the House I expect non-stop hearings.

[KittyWampus]

96. Never mind that whole, black/Muslim sounding name/no birth certificate/Rev Wright thing…..

Obama was a SHOE-IN over Hillary.

Except the FACTS clearly show Obama had the organizations in the right states which had NOTHING to do with the DNC.

[mythology]

105. So the DNC faked the primary season?

Because I'm pretty sure I remember people voting on that.

It wasn't some silly conspiracy.

[Le Taz Hot]

106. Yeah, I think the problem is willful reading incomprehension here.

You guys just pretty much pull this stuff up outta your ass, don't you?

[Arkana]

20. Really? Cause the way I keep hearing it,

Hillary Clinton is just Machiavelli all up in this shit.

She managed to rig the debate schedule to stop Bernie Sanders from getting his message to the people.

She sent those fake BLM activists to his event to crowd Bernie Sanders off the stage.

She keeps calling his house and asking if "Lou Zer" is there.

I think I even heard a Bernie supporter accuse her of throwing a flaming poop bag through his window.

Seriously, I like Bernie Sanders--he's everything a liberal should be and I think that if he's President, it would really suck to watch him realize that Congress will never, ever work with him to accomplish anything important.

[Le Taz Hot]

23. Well, I think you've "heard" wrong.

I don't think anyone claimed that Hillary "rigged the debate schedule." What happened was the DNC scheduled the debates WAY later than in previous presidential years. The late scheduling was a device the DNC is using to give voters less time to consider lesser-known candidates over the better-known candidate. It wasn't Hillary interfering but the DNC interfering on her behalf.

The rest of your post has a bit of spittle on it so I don't think I'll touch it.

[still_one]

29. Actually that is exactly what the threads have been saying, that the DNC is limiting the number of

debates to give Hillary the advantage.

This is on DU I am talking about

[Le Taz Hot]

33. The poster to which I was replying stated this:

"She [Hillary Clinton] managed to rig the debate schedule to stop Bernie Sanders from getting his message to the people."

I pointed out it that the accusations have not been that Hillary rigged the debate schedule but that the DNC scheduled the debate late to benefit their candidate.

[SonderWoman]

28. Haha! So true.

[freshwest]

17. Interesting description of Planes, Trains and Automobiles there.

It had a nice ending.

[CanadaexPat]

4. No one wants to be forced to be PUMAs again.

They're not willing to go down with the ship because there is no next time for Clinton.

[DonViejo]

9. So every DU'er supporting Sec'y Clinton is a Yellow Dog Democrat?

Tom Harkin, Barney Frank, Al Franken, Tammy Baldwin, Richard Blumenthal, Barbara Boxer, Cory Booker, Dick Durbin, Kirsten Gillibrand to name but a few, are also Yellow Dog Democrats? Thanks for the info, nice to know political maturity is not your forte', but that rhetoric and hyperbole are.

[FSogol]

14. We're going need a bigger bus!

[freshwest]

15. I suggest one like this:

He's campaigning for her so maybe he'll let her hitch a ride in the tour bus.

Oh, wait. She'll be inside the bus, not under it. Okay, you find the bus.

[BainsBane]

76. New fleets are on the way

I'm waiting for Keith Ellison to endorse Hillary, and the rest of the Progressive Caucus. That will really blow some stacks off.

[FSogol]

79. I figure that when Elizabeth Waren endorses Martin O'Malley, DU will explode....

[BainsBane]

80. For sure

Last edited Fri Aug 14, 2015, 01:08 PM - Edit history (1)

Ah, glorious schadenfreuden.

(edit, I thought you said Clinton, but either works for me).

[George II]

103. Clinton has all but endorsed Hillary Clinton already.

[freshwest]

90. You know, we can't get no...

My super-liberal anti-war congressman endorsed her, so it's TEOTWAWKI.

[Arkana]

21. Well, actually, Booker is the definition of "Yellow Dog Democrat", to be fair.

Remember, this is the guy who said that the attacks on Wall Street jerkoffs were "nauseating".

[DonViejo]

26. Here are three definitions of the term "Yellow dog Democrat"....

Please tell me which, if either, or all three, apply to Senator Booker:

Someone (generally from the South) who would vote for a yellow dog if it was a Democrat. Alternately, someone who would rather vote for a yellow dog than a Republican. The term probably dates back to the 19th century and gained national recognition in the 1928 Presidential election. Today, used most often as a term of approval or self-identification.

My daddy was a yellow dog Democrat and my granddaddy was a yellow dog Democrat — I’ll never vote Republican.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yellow+Dog+Democrat

or

Yellow Dog Democrats was a political term applied to voters in the Southern United States who voted solely for candidates who represented the Democratic Party. The term originated in the late 19th century. These voters would allegedly "vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for any Republican".[1][2] The term is now more generally applied to refer to any Democrat who will vote a straight party ticket under any circumstances.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_dog_Democrat

or, maybe:

Yellow Dog Democrats

After Republican President Abraham Lincoln defeated the Confederacy, many Southern Democrats said they would rather “vote for a yellow dog before they would vote for any Republican.”
Today, the term refers to loyal Democratic voters who vote the straight party line.

http://politicaldictionary.com/words/yellow-dog-democrats/

[Stellar]

31. I felt like I wanted to smack Booker at that point.

It still makes me angry.

and there are other reasons...

Christie says he will lobby Booker to oppose Iran deal
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/07/christie_says_hell_lobby_booker_on_iran.html

N.J.'s Cory Booker caught between Obama and Israel backers on Iran deal
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2015/08/njs_booker_caught_between_obama_and_backers_on_iran.html

[still_one]

30. Don't forget Howard Dean

[MADem]

43. So many Yellow Dogs....so little time!!! WHO knew that all these legislators were so truculent?

Sen. Tammy Baldwin (Wis.)
Sen. Michael Bennet (Colo.)
Sen. Richard Blumenthal (Conn.)
Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.)
Sen. Barbara Boxer (Calif.)
Sen. Maria Cantwell (Wash.)
Sen. Ben Cardin (Md.)
Sen. Dick Durbin (Ill.)
Sen. Dianne Feinstein (Calif.)
Sen. Al Franken (Minn.)
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.)
Sen. Martin Heinrich (N.M.)
Sen. Heidi Heitkamp (N.D.)
Sen. Mazie Hirono (Hawaii)
Sen. Tim Kaine (Va.)
Sen. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.)
Sen. Patrick Leahy (Vt.)
Sen. Joe Manchin (W.Va.)
Sen. Claire McCaskill (Mo.)
Sen. Barbara Mikulski (Md.)
Sen. Chris Murphy (Conn.)
Sen. Patty Murray (Wash.)
Sen. Bill Nelson (Fla.)
Sen. Gary Peters (Mich.)
Sen. Brian Schatz (Hawaii)
Sen. Charles Schumer (N.Y.)
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (N.H.)
Sen. Debbie Stabenow (Mich.)
Sen. Mark Warner (Va.)
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.)

Rep. Karen Bass (Calif.)
Rep. Joyce Beatty (Ohio)
Rep. Xavier Becerra (Calif.)
Rep. Ami Bera (Calif.)
Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson (Texas)
Rep. Julia Brownley (Calif.)
Rep. André Carson (Ind.)
Rep. Kathy Castor (Fla.)
Rep. Joaquín Castro (Texas)
Rep. Judy Chu (Calif.)
Rep. David Cicilline (R.I.)
Rep. Lacy Clay (Mo.)
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (Mo.)
Rep. Gerry Connolly (Va.)
Rep. Jim Cooper (Tenn.)
Rep. Joseph Crowley (N.Y.)
Rep. Henry Cuellar (Texas)
Rep. Danny Davis (Ill.)
Rep. John Delaney (Md.)
Rep. Rosa DeLauro (Conn.)
Rep. Ted Deutch (Fla.)
Rep. Debbie Dingell (Mich.)
Rep. Tammy Duckworth (Ill.)
Rep. Elizabeth Esty (Conn.)
Rep. Bill Foster (Ill.)
Rep. Lois Frankel (Fla.)
Rep. Marcia Fudge (Ohio)
Rep. Gene Green (Texas)
Rep. Luis Gutiérrez (Ill.)
Rep. Janice Hahn (Calif.)
Rep. Alcee Hastings (Fla.)
Rep. Brian Higgins (N.Y.)
Rep. Rubén Hinojosa (Texas)
Rep. Mike Honda (Calif.)
Rep. Steny Hoyer (Md.)
Rep. Steve Israel (N.Y.)
Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (Texas)
Rep. Hank Johnson (Ga.)
Rep. Robin Kelly (Ill.)
Rep. Joe Kennedy III (Mass.)
Rep. Dan Kildee (Mich.)
Rep. Derek Kilmer (Wash.)
Rep. Jim Langevin (R.I.)
Rep. Rick Larsen (Wash.)
Rep. John B. Larson (Conn.)
Rep. Sandy Levin (Mich.)
Rep. John Lewis (Ga.)
Rep. Ted Lieu (Calif.)
Rep. Nita Lowey (N.Y.)
Rep. Michelle Lujan Grisham (N.M.)
Rep. Stephen Lynch (Mass.)
Rep. Carolyn Maloney (N.Y.)
Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (N.Y.)
Rep. Doris Matsui (Calif.)
Rep. Jim McDermott (Wash.)
Rep. Gregory Meeks (N.Y.)
Rep. Grace Meng (N.Y.)
Rep. Patrick Murphy (Fla.)
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (N.Y.)
Rep. Grace Napolitano (Calif.)
Rep. Richard Neal (Mass.)
Rep. Ed Perlmutter (Colo.)
Rep. Chellie Pingree (Maine)
Rep. Jared Polis (Colo.)
Rep. Charles Rangel (N.Y.)
Rep. Kathleen Rice (N.Y.)
Rep. Cedric Richmond (La.)
Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (Calif.)
Rep. Tim Ryan (Ohio)
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (Ill.)
Rep. Adam Schiff (Calif.)
Rep. Kurt Schrader (Ore.)
Rep. David Scott (Ga.)
Rep. José Serrano (N.Y.)
Rep. Terri Sewell (Ala.)
Rep. Brad Sherman (Calif.)
Rep. Louise Slaughter (N.Y.)
Rep. Adam Smith (Wash.)
Rep. Mark Takai (Hawaii)
Rep. Mark Takano (Calif.)
Rep. Mike Thompson (Calif.)
Rep. Dina Titus (Nev.)
Rep. Niki Tsongas (Mass.)
Rep. Chris Van Hollen (Md.)
Rep. Marc Veasey (Texas)
Rep. Filemon Vela (Texas)
Rep. Nydia Velázquez (N.Y.)
Rep. Frederica Wilson (Fla.)



118 so far, and it's early days yet: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/239559-2016-lawmaker-endorsements-for-president

[George II]

57. The list of Senators who have endorsed Clinton is actually longer -

- Elizabeth Warren has signed a letter urging Clinton to run and another Senator (forget who it is, but I'll find it!) just announced that he's endorsing Clinton.

So, of 44 Democratic Senators 32 of them have endorsed Hillary Clinton, including your highlighted Patrick Leahy, Sanders' fellow Vermont Senator.

You can also add the current Governor of Vermont AND the current mayor of Burlington along with former Vermont Governor, Howard Dean.

Yeah, the DNC is abandoning Hillary Clinton!

[MADem]

60. And all of these people are SUPER DELEGATES.

Which is something the acolytes are just not appreciating. I don't see a path without endorsements or enthusiasm in the minority communities--and that's just not happening.

[freshwest]

70. We must smite them all! Maybe we'll get a 100% GOP Congress. Then all will be perfect!

And we probably won't have to worry about voting as the GOP won't let us vote again. Yesiree, that's a sure winner! Oh, just to be safe:

[George II]

54. I wonder how many of the 32 current Senators (32 of 44, that's 72%!!) who have already endorsed...

...Hillary Clinton are "Yellow Dog Democrats"?

[Metric System]

13. Creative speculation.

[brooklynite]

16. ...except that the DNC isn't floating...

...at most, some friends and associates of Biden and Gore seem to be looking into the possibility.

...and Hillary isn't in a " sharp, downward motion"



She's still in the mid-fifties (while Bernie is still in the teens). And she still beats the Republicans in almost every poll taken.

But feel free to throw out some more over the top analyses...

[Le Taz Hot]

18. Trial balloons do not get floated

without the DNC's prior knowledge and approval.

[brooklynite]

24. Because "we all know" the DNC interferes in the nomination process...

The only thing worse than a conspiracy theory is a lazy one...

[Le Taz Hot]

34. Well, yes, actually, "we" do.

Not even they can come out publically for a candidate this early, but they can work behind the scenes on her behalf. The Democratic Party was taken over by the Third Way Corporate "Democrats" during the Bill Clinton Administration and they haven't let go. Hillary is their candidate. Hillary will do the bidding for Big Business just as she did their bidding when she was SOS. The DNC let Bernie run on the Democratic Party ticket thinking he wouldn't have a chance. They badly misjudged Bernie's candidacy as they've badly misjudged so many other things and now they're trying to figure out if there is another more palatable candidate they can back.

[DonViejo]

38. You're making a lot of allegations...

how about backing up those allegations with links to articles supporting your viewpoint or, is Creative speculation your forte', along with hyperbole and rhetoric?

[okasha]

99. The Templars are in there somewhere.

I'd swear to it

[swilton]

41. Totally agree with your thesis

I also would add that while Hillary's poll numbers are significant they are a barometer for 'likely' voters and fail to reconcile with the thousands of typically non-voting electorate that Sanders has ignited and will bring in to the GE if not the primaries.

[Le Taz Hot]

50. That's the other part of this

that no one is talking about -- Sanders' ability to win crossover votes vs. Hillary's complete lack of ability to do the same. The good news for her is she's well known, the bad news for her is she's well known.

[George II]

124. When has the DNC ever judged Sanders' candidacy in order for them to have "misjudged" it at all?

[CentralMass]

35. Hmmm...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CDgQFjAEahUKEwj0zZuy4ajHAhVGpYgKHZivBuI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com%2F2008%2F05%2F31%2Fthe-dnc-deliberates%2F&ei=DvjNVfSODcbKogSY35qQDg&usg=AFQjCNGIaWTHoYVyrx04qC8hc3npimCgeg&bvm=bv.99804247,d.cGU

[brooklynite]

40. You mean, by enforcing a rule established before the Primary began, applicable to all candidates?

The DNC laid out a calendar, in advance, that said only IA, NH, SC and NV could vote in the first month, and that other States who had votes in the period would be penalized. FL and MI decided to jump the gun.

[CentralMass]

75. Depriving many voters of the fundsmental right of one citizen one vote.

I have no confidence in the organization.

[brooklynite]

83. Perhaps those citizens should have taken up the issue with their State Governments...

Everyone had the right to vote...a month later.

[CentralMass]

89. Perhas the DNC should have looked out for the voters rather than their own agenda.

[MADem]

47. And HILLARY pulls the STRINGS!!!!!

[DanTex]

25. I support Clinton, but still I would feel better if there were a legitimate backup candidate in case

she falters. I would be happy with any of Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley, Biden, or Gore as president. But the key words are "as president."

Right now, the only declared candidate with any real chance of becoming president is Clinton. Sanders would get crushed in the GE, and O'Malley is polling within zero of the margin of error. I actually agree that the DNC is probably floating trial balloons, and that's probably a smart thing to do. Either Biden or Gore would make for a strong backup in case Hillary falters somewhere down the road.

Personally, I think Gore would be better than Biden. I like Biden but don't think he would make for a great top of the ticket. But Gore could win.

[modestybl]

44. Sanders does as well or better than HRC against Trump, Jeb, Walker and Rubio...

...where, apart from the chattering punditry, are you getting the notion that Sanders isn't electable?

[DanTex]

48. Actually, no, he does worse.

Beyond that, he's a self-described socialist, he can't raise much money, and has never been exposed to the GOP attack machine. And besides his personal vulnerability, his platform is too far left to win over many moderates. Bernie winning the GE is a pipe dream. I wish it weren't that way, but it is.

[thesquanderer]

69. He does not do worse, based on these polls

for example

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

vs.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

Do you have current polls that show otherwise, supporting your assertion?

[DanTex]

72. Yes, they both beat Trump (though Clinton is higher in the averages you linked to).

Here's a site that has general election matchups. You have to select Sanders and Clinton yourself, I can't link to them directly.
http://www.270towin.com/2016-polls/2016-general-election-matchups/

The most recent Sanders matchups are from Quinnipiac, which has Sanders behind Walker 37-42 and Bush 39-44. That same poll has Clinton 41-42 behind Bush and 44-43 ahead of Walker. The most recent Clinton matchups come from Morning Consult, where she is ahead of the whole GOP, including 44-41 over Bush and 48-35 over Walker.

[thesquanderer]

85. Good site, thanks.

That site also shows polls with Sanders beating Walker (CNN 7/26), and within margin of error against Bush and Rubio. Hardly getting "crushed" as you put it. And this is a year out when there are still tons of people who have not even heard of Sanders, or heard enough to form an opinion of him. (Something that could be said about many of the Republican candidates as well, I admit.)

All that said, those national polls are meaningless, because it's all about the electoral college, and many states are going to go one way or the other no matter what. What will really matter are how they match up in key states. Unfortunately there are few, if any polls showing how Sanders matches up against the Republican lineup in, say, Florida or Ohio.

[thesquanderer]

145. Swing state matchups

Following up on my previous reply, this thread seems to indicate that Sanders may do as well or better than HRC in at least some of the states that matter...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251522986

[George II]

51. From where do you get that idea?

[Dawgs]

45. LOL! Why would Sanders get crushed in the GE?

People actually like their candidate to not be fake. And, his positions are all very popular. And, every clown on the right running for president is nuts.

[stevenleser]

111. The GOP strategy against Sanders is very simple. Use video of him calling himself a Socialist.

Play variations of that in commercials over and over again. From the end of August 2016 to November 2016.

Talk about the failures of North Korea, the USSR, how China and Vietnam are becoming Capitalist, etc.

50% of America won't vote for a Socialist. Sanders is thus 50% down as a high watermark after all of that.

That would be one of the easiest campaigns for a Republican candidate in history. They wouldn't even have to work for that one.

[jfern]

129. "I am a socialist" - Tony Blair

Only morons think socialists are communists.

[stevenleser]

130. We're talking about people who voted for Reagan twice. They will buy it. Nt

[still_one]

27. It isn't the DNC floating it. It is the MSM media rags that are floating it, and its nonesense.

Maybe the NY Times can give us another story on the "criminal" probe of Hillary's email.

Gore is NOT running, and all indications are that Biden isn't either

[ismnotwasm]

36. Yawn

[George II]

46. Well that's a whole new story from the Sanders camp!

For months they've all been complaining that Clinton CONTROLS the DNC, now all of a sudden she's lost her "shine" with the DNC?

Unbelievable. Where do you guys come up with this stuff?

[thesquanderer]

65. looks to me like the post is from one person, not "the Sanders camp."

And really, have Sanders supporters been big on saying that Clinton controls the DNC? I've seen a lot about Clinton being DNC's preferred candidate, but not that she controls them.

[Laser102]

49. This only makes me more determined to vote for her.

No matter what crap is thrown, no matter how breathlessly enthusiastic the MSM is about all of her foibles, no matter how much they try to gin up the so called scandals, I will vote for her. And every time I see things like this posted it reminds me how much I want her for president. She will walk through fire and come out stronger. GO HILLARY!!!!!

[artislife]

67. Even if she starts it! Go Hill!

[jalan48]

52. I wish the media would spend as much time on polcy issues as they do on scandals.

[RKP5637]

56. Right, wrong or indifferent, the way she is handling the email situation gives the perception

she is trying to hide something or cover it up with some vagueness. And, that is going to linger. And to the information limited they will likely not change that perception. It's the old psychological primacy principle at work. What goes into ones mind first often leaves last.

[MADem]

58. As Don Viejo points out, the definition of "Yellow Dog" is rather limited.

And I don't think that the 118 legislators who have endorsed her thus far (and they are "super delegates" --make no mistake) are all yellow dogs, either.

In fact, most are not.

[George II]

59. Float a negative rumor and hope it has legs, but this one has been cut off at the knees.

[WillyT]

61. Hey Le Taz... Did You Catch THIS:

DULink: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251516749

[Android3.14]

74. Wow

[Le Taz Hot]

78. I did not.

If your ship is sinking, "Stay the course." Could it be any more typical?

[NCTraveler]

62. Polling outfits not willing to remove Bidens name is because of the DNC.

Flat out tin foil. All the way around. Link to the DNC floating Gore?

[thesquanderer]

66. I don't think there is evidence of DNC floating anyone

I believe that that is conjecture on the part of the OP... that if things about alternative mainstream Dems start appearing in the press, the DNC must be behind it.

As for what is being said about Gore, it is summed up here:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/14/the-many-ways-to-say-al-gore-might-maybe-possibly-consider-running-for-president/

[Android3.14]

73. It'd be nice if the DNC tried to promote the Democratic Party

If she wins the nomination, the GOP wins their only chance at the White House. If she wins the general election, the GOP wins.

She is damaged goods, represents the highest bidder, and has never provided leadership on any progressive issue.

If the DNC is floating trial balloons for alternatives who will promote their corporate agenda, that's good. It means their great white hope ain't, and their iron grip over the message is loosening.

[Thinkingabout]

87. Huummmmm, it doesn't look like Bernie's shine is increasing in the DNC, other names added to the

possibilities of entering the race says to me that they are not overjoyed with Bernie, so as I have stated several times, if Hillary drops out of the race there is several more possible candidates who can jump in, Bernie will not be the DNC nominee.

[Le Taz Hot]

88. I think we can all agree that

Bernie was never going to be the DNC pick. They let him in thinking he didn't have a chance and to give the appearance of competition. As has often been the case, they underestimated him and never even factored in the festering anger of the 99%. Apparently, none of them have ever actually cracked a history book.

[Thinkingabout]

100. The festering anger is not including the 118 current members in Congress and the 15 former members

who have endorsed Hillary. I think the festering anger of the 99% is over estimating.

[Zorra]

97. Whoever they choose, their candidates will be Third Way right centrists spouting phony

populist rhetoric in an effort to convince gullible people that they actually care about their concerns.

They couldn't care less, Third Way centrists don't give a rat's ass about the problems of the 99%, unless addressing the concerns of the 99% will in some way benefit the global Military Industrial Financial Complex.

The DNC has been exposed, and whichever Third Way corporate puppet they choose to run against Democrats will be scrutinized thoroughly, and their lies will not be able to stand in the light of day.

[MisterP]

95. the official faction of the party gets as much money if they win or if they lose

they've been long used to being able to fudge primaries and torpedoeing even the challenger who's ahead of the Republican

they really don't know how to campaign anymore, least not in the primaries: they have "listening sessions" then jet off to meet with the big doners; then they're supposed to just promise the moon and stars, with the important caveat that any details will be hammered out January 2017

[KittyWampus]

98. Interesting Conspiracy Theory. With Not One Supporting Fact.

isn't there a forum especially for this sort of silly?

[d_legendary1]

102. How about NBC news?

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/joe-biden-al-gore-running-president-stories-are-really-about-n409901

She has the lead, but its slowly starting to sink.

[Metric System]

117. That's basically an opinion piece.

[Metric System]

118. This thread is definitely full of shi---shine.

[underthematrix]

126. HRC gave a great speech at the Iowa Wing Ding

It was truly awesome. She even did the hand and neck roll. She was definiteky on FIYAH!

[Tommy2Tone]

127. So the answer to defeating a Democrat is to vote for a fake Democrat.

[underthematrix]

131. HRC has been a lifelong Democrat and built her coalition within the Dem party

Bernie said he decided to run "as a Democrat" because he needed the Democrat primary and caucus system, even thoughhe has described both the GOP and the Dems as corrupt. Bernie doesn't have a Dem coalition and it is impossible to get anything within building consensus and coalitions. So in all of Bernie's realness and truthfulness, he decided to run as a Democrat because he needed the infrastructure of the Dem party to make a realistic presidential bid. I hope I will not have to hold my nose and vote for Bernie. I'm working hard to make sure he is NOT the Dem nominee for 2016.

[Tommy2Tone]

132. I am right there with you

If I knew how to post pictures I would post one that tells independents how to register as Democrats so they can vote for Bernie. I would say more but Bernie fans are everywhere and I keep getting my comments removed because the jury is stacked with his supporters.

[Le Taz Hot]

136. Really?

Since juries are anonymous, how would you know a jury is "stacked with his supporters?" Sounds a little paranoid to me.

[Tommy2Tone]

137. Interesting

I have never had a problem until I reply to Bernie fans. It's like you guys are on the constant watch for anything to rate down and since this and other sites are overwhelmingly pro Bernie it seems to makes sense that the jury would be loaded with Bernie fans.

Now there you make another interesting comment. I called a Bernie fan delusional and had my comment hidden. Then on another I called Bernie fans "Berniebots" and it was hidden. You just called me paranoid. How is that different? Oh, and just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean you are wrong.

[Le Taz Hot]

139. So, this is essentially you pouting

because you got posts hidden? And you theink DU's Sanders supporters have formed a band of people who have nothing else to do but roam DU conspiring to ban Hillary supporters? But you're not paranoid.

[Tommy2Tone]

140. Not going to engage with you or any other Bernie fans again..

So take it somewhere else.

[Le Taz Hot]

141. It's my thread.

[Tommy2Tone]

143. Point taken

Bye

[quickesst]

133. Sorry...

...but I don't think there are enough of these to go around. But there seems to be plenty of this....💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩💩

[NanceGreggs]

134. HRC is the front-runner in the Dem Party.

She has the support of the majority of Democrats.

But despite this undisputed position, the DNC has allegedly decided to press Biden and Gore into the race, in order to "save" the Party from the embarrassment of already having a candidate that polls higher than any other Dem in the race, and any Klown Kar occupant.

Yes, of course - this makes SO MUCH SENSE. I'm so glad you figured it out.

Now can you provide the evidence that the DNC is "floating Gore/Biden trial balloons"?

I know you must have said evidence. Surely you wouldn't think of posting something this ridiculous if you didn't have the facts to back it up.

I await the links that will undoubtedly support your assertions.

[nolabear]

142. You left out women and people who are actually interested in women's rights.

As usual.

[L0oniX]

144. Gold ...man always buffs out.