The Hillary Clinton double standard in a nutshell: Why aren’t we talking about Jeb’s email scandal..

[DonViejo]

The Hillary Clinton double standard in a nutshell: Why aren’t we talking about Jeb’s email scandal too?

The Democratic frontrunner has a target on her back, everyone knows this. But it's even worse than you think

BOB CESCA

Earlier this week the inspector general for the intelligence community announced that Hillary Clinton’s private “homebrew” email server allegedly contained at least two emails featuring top secret information, though they weren’t necessarily marked as such. If true, this of course would represent a harrowing gap in the flow of highly classified information — a gap which could be exploited by any number of bad actors as the documents passed through the digital pipeline between Clinton and several of her top aides whose emails are also being scrutinized by government investigators. That said, since the content of the email is publicly unknown, there’s no way of knowing how potentially revealing or damaging the classified information was. Clinton, meanwhile, had previously denied that she used her private email to send or receive classified intelligence.

More breaking news: even though it’s an important story, it’s simply not resonating with the same ferocity Clinton-haters are wishing for.

Does it matter that Clinton used a personal email server? Of course it does, and she ought to face scrutiny for it — only insofar as every high ranking official who uses a private email account ought to be scrutinized. So far, it’s really only Clinton who’s being hectored about using her own server. The fact that she’s running for president is a fairly decent excuse for doing so, but if that’s the case, why isn’t Jeb Bush being just as heavily flogged about it?

Back in March, The Washington Post published an article detailing how Bush used his private email account and its accompanying personal email server to send and receive what seems on the surface to be sensitive messages relating to National Guard troop deployments and post-9/11 security concerns. His email was sent and received via a private “homebrew” email server based inside his Tallahassee office. Bush “took it with him when he left office in 2007.”

In one e-mail sent four days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, the top general for the Florida Air National Guard told Bush that “we are actively planning sequences in preparation for mobilization orders should they come.” (…)

In November 2001, Bush and an aide to then-Lt. Gov. Frank Brogan exchanged messages about the deployment of National Guard troops to a nuclear power plant in Crystal River, Fla. The aide wrote Bush that a state lawmaker had called to say she thought “it is imperative that the Crystal River nuclear facility have National Guard security.”

Bush wrote back: “Florida power does not want it. We are reducing or getting rid of guard protection in the other plants.”

more
http://www.salon.com/2015/08/14/the_hillary_clinton_double_standard_in_a_nutshell_why_arent_we_talking_about_jebs_email_scandal_too/

[MADem]

1. The Bush WH did most of their business on personal computers/phones using YAHOO mail

and an RNC server.

MILLIONS of emails...yet hardly any poutrage.

Hypocrisy!

[Agschmid]

3. There was outrage, but mosty on liberal discussion boards like DU.

[Kelvin Mace]

28. We were pretty pissed off about it here

and called them out on it. Which makes me very puzzled as to why HRC gets a pass for doing the same thing. If it is wrong for Bush to do it, it is wrong when ANYBODY does it.

[MADem]

30. DU is hardly a bastion of mainstream thought, though. And HRC is not "getting a pass"

In fact, she's getting way more grief in the media than Bush ever did, when she did nothing wrong. At the time she did what she did with her server, there was no prohibition against it.

The bottom line is that she never received or sent a thing with a TS classification marking. Why people are trying to pretend that she was throwing around red folders willy-nilly is just desperate and absurd.

Bush's crime was that his activities were unaccounted. He violated record keeping laws six ways to Sunday. Clinton's weren't--her communications were WITH people at State, so copies were kept there. State and other federal agencies have notoriously horrible communications systems. The Pentagon and the Services used to have horrible ones too--they've gotten better in recent years but no one in government is operating using "state of the art" equipment on a day to day basis.

But hey, the wingnuts are writing a song, it goes BenGHAZI!!! EMAIL!! Pantsuit!!! Oh My!!

They're hoping the suckers sing along with them--a useful tool is a useful tool, I guess.

That whole 'enemy of my enemy' stuff is lame, particularly when that conversation is with a wingnut. Wingnuts are not friends of anyone on the left, for any reason--they want everyone who doesn't think like them to be ground into submission.

[Kelvin Mace]

35. At the time she did what she did with her server, there was no prohibition against it.

Was there a prohibition against Bush doing it when he did it?

Yes, I agree with you that bush and Cheney could have killed puppies with a hammer on the White House lawn and all the press would have said would was "Isn't it nice he is doing something for homeless animals."

That said, you would think that a politician with as much history with a nasty press as HRC (who is supposed to be quite bright and politically astute) would know better than to do the things she did with the email server. Such actions BEGS to be called improper. Benghazi isn't really getting any traction outside GOP circles, but now the press (who really do hate the Clinton) has found a story that is more plausible to peddle.

[MADem]

36. Yes--the White House had records regulations that went back to the Nixon days....but they were

regulations that only applied to WHITE HOUSE stuff. The rules were very specific.

My understanding is that every SECSTATE has had issues with email--Powell and Condi didn't use it. They barked orders and let their underlings figure it out. HRC is of the modern world and she's more engaged--I'll take her over them any day.

It doesn't matter what Clinton does--if she wears brown shoes with a blue suit it will be painted as the Crime of the Century. After a while, when the bullshit gets piled so high and deep that prizewinning roses start to bloom, people realize what's up. And what's up is that the right wing is vested in knocking her down. I am just surprised at seeing so many eager-beavers on DU so happily doing the right wing's work for them.

[Agschmid]

2. Hillary derangement syndrome.

No cure yet, Biogen is working on it.

[Dawson Leery]

33. +1

It is 2008 all over gain. Hillary's opponents on the left will do anything to destroy her.

[Thinkingabout]

4. If Joe Scarborough is correct(HA) then the past SOS are in trouble also along with many other people

in government work and associated with government work. A lot better get ready to move over.

[Romulox]

5. When was Jeb Secretary of State? nt

[DonViejo]

6. Can always tell when someone hasn't bothered to read beyond the headline...

The reader jumps right in and supports the premise of the article.

[ericson00]

7. stop defending the Bush and show some respect to the Clintons

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Are you suggesting someone's slip is showing?

eom

[Romulox]

12. This is a pathetic post. You have something to say to me, say it.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. I get to decide who I will talk to, not you or anybody.

[Romulox]

21. I love how your avatar is Ali, but you yourself are a sucker puncher at best. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

25. Are you suggesting that I punch suckers?

I love how your avatar is Ali, but you yourself are a sucker puncher at best. nt

Are you suggesting that I punch suckers?

[Romulox]

26. That's not what "sucker punch" means. It what somebody who is too afraid

to face a man does.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. That's not what "sucker punch" means. It what somebody who is too afraid to face a man

That's not what "sucker punch" means. It what somebody who is too afraid to face a man

That's an odd observation to make over the 'internets'.


It does seem, though, that your beef is with ericson. I was merely asking the gentleman for elucidation.

[Romulox]

29. Like I said, "I thought so!" nt

[Romulox]

22. And need I say, "I thought so!"?

[Romulox]

11. LOL. Nice parody of an unquestioning loyalist. nt

[ericson00]

17. oh I'm sorry I believe in reverence for Democratic heroes like the Clintons

who made us a nationaly viable party again after 5 election losses in 6 elections from 1968-1988. Since the Clintons in 1992, that's the GOP's popular vote record.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. Well said, sir.

eom

[Romulox]

23. "Reverence" is what you do at church. nt

[NCTraveler]

10. Jeb is going to have a billion in the bank.

He doesn't need your help unless......

[Romulox]

13. So...I guess that means he wasn't Secretary of State after all...

[NCTraveler]

14. People on this board were'nt aware of that. Very enlightening tid bit you have delivered. nt.

[Romulox]

16. The OP seems to be confused in the matter. nt

[NCTraveler]

19. Once again, thans for enlightening them. Jeb is also appreciative. nt.

[Romulox]

24. Jeb doesn't read this board. Nervous Clintonites do. nt

[NCTraveler]

9. Many of the people "worried" about it here are admittedly not democrats or supporters of the party.

They think Clinton is the enemy. It's no secret who is keeping it alive. The right wing and others with a vested interest in weakening the party. In concept, and for what they believe, I understand their position. Doesn't mean any of us have to go along.

[NuclearDem]

15. The only appropriate way to mishandle classified information

is to hand it over to Wikileaks.

[procon]

31. Colin Powell also used a personal email account as secretary of state.

It wasn't an issue then or now, so why are Colin Powell and Jeb Bush conspicuously unnamed in the current -- OMG, this-is-the-worstest... evah! -- Clinton coverage? They did the exact same thing, yeah, like the exact same thing and there's zippo call out.

[ibegurpard]

32. Why are you asking me?

I don't care about her email scandals. It's the media and the Republicans that will continue to push this. It's HER campaign's job to deal with it.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

34. As a fanatical Bernie backer,

I have to saY i think the HRC email thing is much ado about nothing. She has gotten a very raw deal from the press since at least the '90s.

[applegrove]

37. And don't forget that when George W. Bush was in power

and it looked like americans had been lied into the war in Iraq, the republicans were suddenly very, very sorry publicly for Ken Starr. And then they went back to fishing trips with Benghazi. So they were not sorry for Ken Starr. They were just saying that to protect Cheney and his ilk from a democratic lead investigation. Hypocrites!