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Clinton fellows come from near and far to support Iowa campaign
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Hilary Clinton campaigner Autumn Timm, right, of Cedar Falls has Katrina Miller, left, of Cedar Falls sign a caucus reminder card on the corner of Park and Mulberry streets during Irish Fest Saturday, Aug. 1, 2015, in Waterloo, Iowa.
20 hours ago By Christinia Crippes
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WATERLOO...............................
White, 25, is one of the 101 people selected to be a part of the Hillary for Iowa Organizing Fellowship summer program, after more than 1,000 people applied from across the country. He is one of five fellows spending their summer at the campaigns Waterloo office.
Its been amazing so far. Ive absolutely loved it, White said of his time in Iowa.
White said he chose to spend his summer -- the program lasts through the middle of this month -- helping the Clinton campaign because he sees her as best fit to lead on American foreign policy. White has devoted much of his studies to international affairs, and he found himself impressed with Clintons efforts as secretary of state.
Spending his undergraduate years in New York at Cornell University, White said he has seen her as a leader since her time in the U.S. Senate. Thats also when he first got involved in politics..............
cantbeserious
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LuvLoogie
(7,005 posts)or is holding his kitten hostage? Must be...
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)Why would any Citizen want a President that will sell them out to the Oligarchs, Corporations and Banks.
lark
(23,102 posts)that's why!
I'm a Bernie supporter but will vote for whoever is the Democratic nominee because whoever it is will certainly be a huge improvement over our lives with a Repug. Obama is trying his best to give us TPP and I voted for him twice, the 2nd time holding my nose for the same reeason I'd hold my nose and vote for HRC. They are a lot alike in many ways.
cantbeserious
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Bernie is probably the best candidate in my lifetime, he's so honest and totally gets what's wrong with this country and isn't beholden to the 1% like most of the others. However, again, if she's the candidate in the general, I'm voting for her and would hope all Bernie supporters would do the same, for the sake of our survival. I really worry what would happen if a Repug were president, think war with Iran is pretty much a given in that nightmare scenario. HRC would not lie us into a war.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)lark
(23,102 posts)Ever hear of TPP? Ever notice that there was no prosecution for treason for GW and Cheney? Ever notice no single payer? Yes, there would be issues with HRC, but women wouldn't be forced to let rapists have a relationship with the product of their criminal actions, wouldn't cut food stamps, would raise minimum wage, wouldn't harm the environment and most importantly of all, wouldn't start a war of choice with Iran. All of these would be forced on us by a Repug admin. I'm hoping to be able to vote for the person that I really want to win, Bernie, in the general. but if not will vote for HRC if she's the nominee. Would vote for Biden or O'Malley as well. Only if Schumer were running would I boycott the election because he too would bomb Iran.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)This includes HRC.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)So I hope you are joking when you say she wouldn't lie us into a war. Even if she wouldn't lie us into a war, her judgment is clearly not good enough to keep us out of a war. And it is a president who can keep us out of war that we need.
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uwep
(108 posts)Bush violated the the agreement to go to war because he did not get the second approval from the United Nations as was presented to congress. I believe that many of the Democrats that have been chastised truly believed that Bush would not invade until the approval was obtained. Sanders supporters are as bad as the repugs. I hope he gets the nomination, because the repugs will have a field day with all of his socialist issues. Yes, they are good talking points and I agree with them, but I am a realist and know that the repugs will go to any lengths to win. What happens then? I like Sanders, he has been a good liberal senator. We need him in the senate more.
uwep
(108 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....they voted for military force ONLY as a last resort after a number of strict criteria were not met. In fact, Saddam Hussein did comply with the UN resolutions but bush lied and said he didn't.
Of course, everyone should have know that BEFORE they voted on the AUMF. These people live their lives on the advance assumption that everyone is lying - that's not the way lives should be lived.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Hillary should have known that. She had been in the White House and privy certainly to the general view there that isolating Saddam Hussein and imposing restrictions on his ability to control his air space were justified but that invasion was not.
Read the April 2004 article in Vanity Fair. Congress should have waited for the UN investigators' report before passing the War Resolution. Hillary made a grave mistake in giving Bush the power that she gave him.
As for Sanders, I think he will get the nomination.
Obama and Bush and the establishment Democrats and Republicans bailed out the banks. And what did the banks do? They took the money and ran -- to the Caymans, to Switzerland, to wherever they could maximize their profits at the expense of Americans.
Americans are still hurting, still losing jobs, still losing homes, still scared.
Our system is based on the idea that most people have property. What happens when most people have more debt than property in a system like ours? I don't know, but it is a question we need to ask the wealthiest among us.
What happens in a system built on private ownership of property when the majority of people owe more debt and don't own property?
George II
(67,782 posts)....everyone around them is lying?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Think of the cost of the Iraq War. How many solar panels could we have bought and installed in the Southwest where the sun is nearly a constant for that money?
It was simply a big giveaway to the Military Industrial Comples. We didn't need to go there.
Hillary is short-sighted and does not have the best judgment.
Bernie Sanders is just one of our members of Congress who saw through the lies. Why didn't Hillary?
George II
(67,782 posts)...for the Iraqi war and she was solely responsible for it?
Using that logic:
Tens of thousands of Americans are rotting away in jail because Sanders voted FOR the 1994 crime bill.
Untold numbers of Americans are dead because Sanders voted AGAINST the Brady Bill.
Countless Americans are dead and their families have no recourse in lawsuits against gun manufacturers because Sanders voted to protect the manufacturers against lawsuits.
See how that works? You can't have your cake and eat it too, or...what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...the only response I've gotten is "she KNEW he was going to violate it"!
Hindsight is 20-20, especially when they're assuming she can reads minds.
Sadly, every person that mentions that basically admits that they've never read the AUMF so they really don't know what they're talking about.
Welcome to DU, enjoy the fray!
Edit: see post abve mine - THAT is what we get every time we bring up the fact that he violated the AUMF.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)She voted for the War Resolution because it was the easy way out, the popular thing to do. She had been warned that it was not right. She does not have good judgment. The question is not whether I read the AUMF but whether she did.
It was not my job to read the AUMF in its entirety. It was hers. And the people who were paying attention and either reading it themselves or having trusted staff read it and report honestly on it -- like Bernie Sanders -- did not vote for the Resolution.
Bernie Sanders votes as he does on gun legislation out of conscience. Hunters should not be deprived of guns. Nor should people who live in circumstances in which they legitimately need to defend themselves with guns. Nor should people who shoot as a sport and don't kill.
lark
(23,102 posts)However, she's smart and has learned from that. She's firmly against war with Iran and for the peace treaty. Repugs would definitely lie us into a war. That's my argument, she's way way better than any of them. Bernie's the best, but i will take if as a consolation prize if needed.
George II
(67,782 posts)..to fix it? No.
At each and every one of his appearances he basically says the same thing - "we have to do this", "we have to do that", yadda yadda.
When is he going to figure how he's going to do this and going to do that?
Nice words but he has no plan, no solutions.
By the way, good job of hijacking this thread, which was about Clinton's supporters going to Iowa this week.
lark
(23,102 posts)The 2nd person to reply started in on HRC being a tool of the 1%, not me.
George II
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lewebley3
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lewebley3
(3,412 posts)She rep's most of the Dem, not the 1%: Just the facts
55 Hillary Dem support 15 Bernie support Dem
Bernie is a socialist he is the one pretending
cantbeserious
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lewebley3
(3,412 posts)If Hillary were only interested in the being rich and the 1%, "
She could have join the GOP, but she has never been tempted,
she has always chosen pubic servers
She could have been very rich as a lobbyist if she
were just interested in money like the GOP.
cantbeserious
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lewebley3
(3,412 posts)The Clintons worked on behave all American's, they
taxed rich, and created high paying jobs.
The Clintons were most successful Dem's in History since FDR
cantbeserious
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George II
(67,782 posts)...in order to run for President.
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lewebley3
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lewebley3
(3,412 posts)Obama has brought real change, Hillary will keep pushing
for real change with the Dem.
Sanders has been a talker all his life: Hillary will get things
done.
ellisonz
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(22,871 posts)very fired up and positive.Great representatives for the Clinton campaign.
lewebley3
(3,412 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Clinton got a MUCH better reception and more rousing applause than the other candidates.
riversedge
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redstateblues
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The gentleman in my avatar became the most famous athlete in the twentieth century doing just that.
cantbeserious
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Reducing Muhammad Ali to just another athlete is akin to reducing Albert Einstein to just another mathematician. The reach of both gentlemen went far beyond their chosen fields.
cantbeserious
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Muhammad Ali was one of the seminal figures of the twentieth century as well as one of the seminal African American figures of the twentieth century.
cantbeserious
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Both gentlemen transcended their fields...
Suggesting Muhammad Ali and Albert Einstein were merely a boxer and a mathematician is akin to suggesting that John Lennon and Paul McCartney and George Washington and George Patton were merely two songwriters and two officers.
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cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)- Alfred E Newman
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cantbeserious
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oasis
(49,387 posts)endless repetition.
McCamy Taylor
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