Hillary's Following (cartoon)

[marmar]

http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/hillarys_following_20150814

[Agschmid]

1. Kick, I laughed.

[Walk away]

2. How about "Yes, but your crowd are voting Democrats!"

[demwing]

5. Hmmm...Nah

doesn't make sense, and no chuckle factor

[Walk away]

11. The Bernie crowd has a republian sense of humor so I'll take that...

from where it comes!

[99th_Monkey]

16. TruthDig.com, that notoriously RW Republican website

NOT.

[RufusTFirefly]

22. "Steve Sack is a liberal leaning American cartoonist who won a 2013 Pulitzer Prize..."

Steve Sack (born 1953) is a liberal leaning American cartoonist who won a 2013 Pulitzer Prize for editorial cartooning. With Craig Macintosh he draws the cartoon activity panel Doodles and he is editorial cartoonist for the Minneapolis Star Tribune, where he started in 1981. Both Doodles and Sack's editorial cartoons are distributed by Creators Syndicate.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Sack

[demwing]

33. Only one of us thought your reply #18 was funny

how'd that work out?

[rhett o rick]

58. Not sure what a "republian" is but Sen Sanders crowd appreciates integrity.

They are happy to have a candidate that represents the 99% and not the 1%.

[George II]

7. I like it....and her crowd are all old enough to vote, too.

[lewebley3]

8. The picture is wrong, most of the people want Hillary to President: not Sanders

All poll show Hillary way ahead of Sanders, and the GOP;

[Fred Sanders]

3. "Another crowd of Emailgazhi media? You must still be way ahead!"

[cali]

6. lol. you accuse Bernie supporters of not having a sense of humor

Of course it's not like you'll be voting. Just out curiosity, do you have any interest in the politics in your country?

[BooScout]

12. Huh?

[cali]

17. huh what?

[Sparkly]

4. So were his.

Whatever they can dig up to get them under oath to be "probed," they will.

[cantbeserious]

9. All Too True

eom

[Angry Dragon]

10. kick

[nolabear]

13. There's truth there. One Dem candidate hounded while others are not. Where have I seen that before?

In our "some say" culture those who hound can get away with lies and innuendo and faux outrage. The fact that Bernie supporters aren't disgusted by this fact but use it is a horrific bit of self-serving. Were he to begin to be recognized as a real threat they might wish they had objected more.

[blue neen]

14. From Wikipedia:

"In 2014, The Star Tribune Company was acquired by Glen Taylor.[17] In 2015, the company moves to the Capella Tower downtown; the demolition of their two buildings in Downtown East began in 2014.[18] Taylor stated that the Star Tribune would be less liberal under his ownership, but that the newspaper had already begun a shift."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Tribune

Glen Taylor, owner of the Star Tribune, is big-time Republican.

[Walk away]

15. Berniebots routinely post crap from Right Wing sources. DU has become a glut of Wingnut....

material backed up by endless threads of Hillary hatred!

I am an actual Democrat, so I think that the cartoon is humorless. However, I do get a good laugh over the fact that this is supposed to be a Democratic site and it is filled with rebublican propaganda!

What would be really funny is if Biden jumped in the race and Bernie disappeared!

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. As a reporter I found that hillarious

could be drawn on a few local pols too.

Laughing, even at oneself, is a good trait.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Nice personal attack

I s'pose if that is what makes you laugh it speaks volumes about yourself.

[Walk away]

30. I guess that kills your "laugh at yourself" advise!

Apparently, even reporters don't practice what they preach!!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Ah second personal attack

they must be the rage at DU.

When adults behave like 5 year olds! It is actually quite entertaining.

And I laugh at myself regularly, but I laugh at bullies very often.

http://static3.gamespot.com/uploads/ignore_jpg_scale_super/362/3622309/2634166-laugh+point.jpg

[demwing]

36. For someone named "Walk away"

you sure don't.

[Fla Dem]

24. I find it sad we like to destory our own. Instead of disgust at the RW propaganda

against an accomplished and qualified Democratic candidate, there is an embracing of it if it's against your candidate's opponent. I stand with whatever Democratic candidate wins the nomination. I am not a one or two issue supporter. They both support enough issues I support that I would be happy with either one. I find no joy or reward in vilifying either candidate, nor in particular using RW propaganda to do so.

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Political cartoonists really do not care

have talked to a few, and the way they go after people, is what is hot, not what they agree with.

Hell, as I said, a few local pols could have had that cartoon drawn on them... I am thinking of a local board of Supers, and two mayors in particular.

[Bjorn Against]

29. If you think Steve Sack is a right-winger you are obviously unfamiliar with his work

Your suggestion that Sack is a Republican is laughable, anyone who is familiar with his work knows that he is left leaning.

[ish of the hammer]

32. I really do not hate Clinton,

but somehow, my questions about her connections to Walmart, Monsanto, Goldman,Sachs, Citicorp, etc make you think that I do hate her. Is she supported by these corporations? You tell me. And if her backing is from these giant corporations, where is the incentive for her to protect you from what they (the corps) do? Not hate, just a question.

[uponit7771]

60. +1

[rhett o rick]

61. This poster gets away with calling out DU? " it is filled with rebublican propaganda! "

And this: "Berniebots routinely post crap from Right Wing sources. " WTF?

[Cartoonist]

20. Sack is the best

His contract must still be in force, else Taylor would have fired him. Putting this cartoon down because it came from the Star is cheap, and shows a complete unfamiliarity with Sack.

[marmar]

27. That's what's so hilarious about the responses.....

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.... complete ignorance of Sack's cartoons. But don't interrupt them. Let them continue to embarrass themselves

[blue neen]

38. I don't know who "them" is and don't feel embarrassed, either.

IMHO, it was notable that his cartoon came from a Republican paper, and it was attacking a Democratic candidate. It also lives up to Mr. Taylor's statement that the paper was going to become "less liberal".

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. And a cartoon that is sindicated and could be run

by both "republican" or "democratic" papers.

What i find even more funny is your characterization of a paper that way.

[blue neen]

40. Um, it's not my characterization of the paper.

It's the owner, Glen Taylor's, characterization of his own newspaper.

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. It is stil funny as hell

even the San Diego UT, which was owned by Doug Manchester and was (still is) a rag,. was self described that way, but was not.

The best description is a conservative paper. And it is not the whole paper, it is the editorial page.

Regardless, the cartoonist leans liberal, like most cartoonists he slams everybody. I prefer to live in that reality. Maybe this will not make sense to you, but some of those self descriptors have to do with very local political conditions. For Manchester it is who he is, and who he hangs out as his friends (read the republican conservative establishment, in particular the Lincoln Club and the Chamber of Commerce.)

For the record, it did not work for Manchester, he sold out to the Tribune Company. So we are all hoping the UT goes back to it's glory days when they actually got Pullitzers.

The cartoonist has won those by the way.

[blue neen]

46. Whatever you say.

It's interesting that I made no personal remarks about you, but you made plenty about me. Further up this thread, you are accusing someone else of the very thing that you are now doing to me.

Good day.

[nadinbrzezinski]

47. Explaining how some of this works is making personal remarks

Odd...

[blue neen]

49. Odd, indeed.

"What i find even more funny is your characterization of a paper that way."

"It is stil funny as hell"

"Maybe this will not make sense to you"

"Jesus this is very basic. (and yes that might be seen by you as a personal attack, so be it)"

"If that is being personal to you, well there is that. Now I will get personal. Ignorance, willful, is not just a river in Egypt."

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. I assume you do not work in any media

so yes, I AM TRYING TO EXPLAIN SOME OF WHAT IS VERY MUCH KNOWN IN MEDIA.

SOME VERY CONSERVATIVE FOLKS HAVE BEEN BUYING LOCAL PAPERS TRYING TO INFLUENCE LOCAL POLITICS, THEY REFER TO THEIR NEW TOYS IN WAYS THAT IS TRACKING LOCALLY, BUT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WTIH REALITY. SO FAR WE HAVE HAD A FEW SELL THEIR NEW TOYS TO ACTUAL NEWS AGENCIES AFTER THEIR INVESTMENT FAILS TO PUT PEOPLE THEY WANT IN LOCAL POWER.

It is about local conditions.

If that is being personal to you, well there is that. Now I will get personal. Ignorance, willful, is not just a river in Egypt.

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. Oh and just a casual google search this guy owns a sports team

http://www.startribune.com/wolves-owner-glen-taylor-makes-cash-offer-to-buy-star-tribune/253422301/

and a business owner who goes after failed enterprises

http://www.bizjournals.com/twincities/news/2015/06/16/glen-taylor-linked-to-275m-plus-bid-for-ohio-firm.html

And this is why he bought the paper

Glen Taylor: I would say they were coming out of bankruptcy and I was just reading about it. We’d done a number of bankruptcy deals in my other businesses, so I know a little bit about them. Sometimes there are some really good opportunities if you are the lead guy and you get in there. This one was a little bit more complicated, in that a lot of the creditors had picked up the stock and that type of stuff.

So, at that time — it wasn’t just myself, it was a number of other people in Minnesota that kind of got together and said, “Gee, if it is going to come out of bankruptcy, maybe a bunch of us guys in Minnesota should pull this thing together and keep it here.” It wasn’t my controlling it and it wasn’t anything for sure.

https://www.minnpost.com/business/2014/04/glen-taylor-how-i-bought-star-tribune-and-what-i-paid

It is an investment to him, not unlike Manchester. So he deals in bankruptcy deals and Manchester is a local land mogul not unlike Trump. Jesus this is very basic. (and yes that might be seen by you as a personal attack, so be it)

And that group of investors will want their ROI back... so of course it is about local conditions.

[blue neen]

52. Here's a good article:

https://www.minnpost.com/business/2014/04/new-owner-glen-taylor-less-liberal-star-tribune-ahead

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. So did Manchester

you are not telling me anything we are not seeing nationally.

He will tire of his toy soon. The ROI is not just money... Manchester made out like a bandit on that.

[nadinbrzezinski]

54. Here are some of his other cartoons

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I could go on, but I highly recommend the google,

[Bjorn Against]

41. Steve Sack goes after Republicans far more often than he goes after Democrats

He has been with the paper for more than 30 years, long before Glenn Taylor bought it. The Star Tribune used to be a very progressive paper, since Glenn Taylor bought it it has become more centrist. It is not a Republican paper but it is not the progressive paper it once was, they still do endorse Democrats more often than not but they do endorse Republicans sometimes as well. Steve Sack is one of the progressives the paper still employees however, he is not a right-winger by any stretch of the imagination.

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. This is kind of funny though

people complain of the media, and when they are told their self descriptions are not quite correct, they hang on to it.

As Marmar said, I think even Stalin and Lenin would be a RW if they dared (from the grave) criticize HRC. Now by the way, that would be news worthy. Lenin talking from his Mausoleum would be quite impressive.

[blue neen]

45. It doesn't really sound that way in this article, but I'll take your word for it:

https://www.minnpost.com/business/2014/04/new-owner-glen-taylor-less-liberal-star-tribune-ahead

It would be far more enjoyable to see Steve Sack's cartoons about Republicans here on DU.

[Helen Borg]

19. Bill would not say that!

Come on!

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. LMAO...

[NYC Liberal]

34. Yep, Hillary does bring out the right-wing nut jobs to attack her.

Sanders might do the same, if anyone knew who he was (or cared).

[Bjorn Against]

35. Steve Sack is a right-wing nut job?

That will be news to anyone who has seen the literally thousands of cartoons he has drawn that mercilessly mock Republicans.

[marmar]

37. Hell, Noam Chomsky would be called a right-wing nut job.....

..... If he criticized Hillary. Her supporters have fashioned their own reality.

[NYC Liberal]

57. I was referring to the "crowd" depicted in the cartoon,

which was clearly referring to the right-wing faux outrage over non-issues like BENGHAZI!!1 and EMAILS!!1

I wasn't saying the artist was a right-winger.

[BainsBane]

42. Bookmarking

[ericson00]

50. Is this Free Republic? Whoever posted this should be ashamed to be on a Democratic forum

go on a Green/Communist or Republican redneck site, and show some goddamn honour to the Clintons.

[Blue_Adept]

55. See? Not a hedge fund manager in sight!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

56. He left out the swarm of corporate donors and wannabee V.P.s

[L0oniX]

59. K & R