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Bernie running away with Iowa straw poll. (Original Post) AtomicKitten Aug 2015 OP
@ 05:50 Central time PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #1
PowerToThePeople lsufan59 Aug 2015 #33
Bern baby Bern azmom Aug 2015 #2
love the classics! nt restorefreedom Aug 2015 #8
Watched that... HerbChestnut Aug 2015 #16
I came of age in the 80's, but remember azmom Aug 2015 #18
burn baby burn lsufan59 Aug 2015 #34
It seems like the insurgents in both parties' primaries have the enthusiasm. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2015 #3
yup nadinbrzezinski Aug 2015 #4
it's fork time. restorefreedom Aug 2015 #9
Wow, that is amazing. Go Bernie! nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #5
who the hell is Mark Everson? Attorney in Texas Aug 2015 #6
I never heard of him either left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #15
Rachel Maddow did a story about him. Chellee Aug 2015 #31
I'm so happy! DamnYankeeInHouston Aug 2015 #7
Wow! tecelote Aug 2015 #10
Trump's helicopter rumbled overhead during Bernie's speech, so Bernie apologized for senz Aug 2015 #11
That's all over Twitter right now. Fawke Em Aug 2015 #14
Oh my god, I didn't hear it was while azmom Aug 2015 #19
Sanders said he forgot his helicopter at home. Brilliant bon mot and KingCharlemagne Aug 2015 #55
Great! eom Duval Aug 2015 #12
Good to see . TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #13
Very Good News - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Aug 2015 #17
Wow this is revolution lovuian Aug 2015 #20
79 vote lead in front of Hillary at the time of this post. retrowire Aug 2015 #21
Oh my heart! I need to go hug my Bernie Bear right now! glinda Aug 2015 #22
Actually looks like Trump is running away with it. LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #23
Well, you can vote as many times as you want in this poll. Metric System Aug 2015 #25
If that is true, the numbers should be a lot higher than they are Fawke Em Aug 2015 #26
So who gets a ballot? LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #28
Metric System lsufan59 Aug 2015 #40
The Fair poll is useless mythology Aug 2015 #27
Yep, straw polls are pretty useless. nt stevenleser Aug 2015 #29
Lol, it's just one more enormous crowd, just watched the full coverage on C-SPan, amazing sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #36
I noticed this bumped up in my My Posts list so someone I have on ignore responded. stevenleser Aug 2015 #39
So it's kind of like a Facebook poll LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #30
Exactly. There is zero methodology involved and no care to ensure the vote is representative of the stevenleser Aug 2015 #37
Congrats. You noticed that it isn't a science fair. L0oniX Aug 2015 #57
So why isn't Hillary winning any of these polls? Those are people voting, same thing on most of the sabrina 1 Aug 2015 #38
So National and Statewide scientific polls LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #42
Does not appear so PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #44
So National polls that put Hillary 30 points ahead of Bernie LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #45
National "polls" PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #46
So you DO believe LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #48
Did you read my post PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #49
Of course I read it and followed the link. LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #51
I heard .. TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #50
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #24
Is it done? Have not seen it updated for a while. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #32
Bernie Got Almost As Many As Trump Yallow Aug 2015 #35
you can vote twice in this poll. The crazies and ericson00 Aug 2015 #41
Ah, are you feelings hurt TM99 Aug 2015 #53
No the loons are voting for Trump. Bernie has the sane people on his side. totodeinhere Aug 2015 #54
Let me know if President Ben Carson thinks this is important brooklynite Aug 2015 #43
You know ... TheFarS1de Aug 2015 #47
Yep, Bern, baby, bern. Lifelong Protester Aug 2015 #52
He's still up double digits. AtomicKitten Aug 2015 #56
 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
1. @ 05:50 Central time
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 06:55 PM
Aug 2015

D Lincoln Chafee 10 1.75%
D Hillary Clinton 235 41.08%
D Martin O'Malley 22 3.85%
D Bernie Sanders 301 52.62%
D Jim Webb 4 0.70%

 

HerbChestnut

(3,649 posts)
16. Watched that...
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:40 PM
Aug 2015

Then chained through a series of hilarious disco and 80s songs. You just sent me to some dark places my friend...

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
3. It seems like the insurgents in both parties' primaries have the enthusiasm.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 07:14 PM
Aug 2015

Trump and Ben Carson are kicking ass among the Republicans.

Could be an artifact of an energized activist base. Or not.

Seems like there's a whole lot of dissatisfaction with the political status quo and with how Washington has been working.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
15. I never heard of him either
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:35 PM
Aug 2015

Mark Whitty Everson is the Vice Chairman of alliantgroup and served as the 46th Commissioner of Internal Revenue from 2003 until 2007.
On March 5, 2015, Everson announced his intention to seek the Republican Party's nomination for President of the United States in the 2016 Presidential election.
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Everson#2016_presidential_campaign

Chellee

(2,097 posts)
31. Rachel Maddow did a story about him.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:02 PM
Aug 2015

He was suing Fox because they wouldn't let him into the kid's table debate.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
10. Wow!
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:11 PM
Aug 2015

Americans caring about Americans?!

What about the surfer guy living on welfare eating lobster? Doesn't that just boil your skin?

No. People in Iowa do know. They care.

Simple.

Love thy neighbor.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
11. Trump's helicopter rumbled overhead during Bernie's speech, so Bernie apologized for
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:19 PM
Aug 2015

not bringing HIS helicopter.

So many reasons to love this guy. As Iowa state fair goers know!

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
55. Sanders said he forgot his helicopter at home. Brilliant bon mot and
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 11:38 AM
Aug 2015

deft evisceration of the shrill, hollow pretension of the Donald.

lovuian

(19,362 posts)
20. Wow this is revolution
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 08:44 PM
Aug 2015

against the political machine

Amazing stuff I noticed media is beside itself right now

LuvLoogie

(7,008 posts)
23. Actually looks like Trump is running away with it.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:21 PM
Aug 2015

And Republican votes outnumber Democratic votes more than 2 to 1. Can't say if the State Fair straw poll is indicative of Fair attendee profile or not.

The last statewide polls put Hillary about 24 points ahead, and that's before today's Harkin endorsement.

The last National polls put her about 30 points ahead. Now I know some here have said that National polls are meaningless compared to state polls. So I guess logically a Fair poll carries more weight than a statewide poll?




Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
26. If that is true, the numbers should be a lot higher than they are
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:41 PM
Aug 2015

in total.

Even so, Bernie's crowd was by far the largest, indicating this poll isn't too far off.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
27. The Fair poll is useless
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 09:42 PM
Aug 2015

In 2012 Michelle Bachmann won the Ames straw poll but who also dropped out of the race before the Iowa caucus. Romney won in 2007, but lost the nomination to McCain. These things aren't representative of anything.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
36. Lol, it's just one more enormous crowd, just watched the full coverage on C-SPan, amazing
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:40 PM
Aug 2015

crowds following Bernie around. Didn't see anything like it for any of the others.

So the poll matches the enthusiasm of the crowd there and of all the crowds he's been drawing, which no other candidate has done so far.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
39. I noticed this bumped up in my My Posts list so someone I have on ignore responded.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:41 PM
Aug 2015

Sorry, I can't see what you wrote.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
37. Exactly. There is zero methodology involved and no care to ensure the vote is representative of the
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:41 PM
Aug 2015

electorate.

Most professional polling agencies use a form of stratified sampling to ensure they are accurately reflecting the electorate with their polls. If you aren't doing that, your poll will likely be wildly inaccurate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratified_sampling

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
38. So why isn't Hillary winning any of these polls? Those are people voting, same thing on most of the
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:41 PM
Aug 2015

other Dem forums, Bernie winning by a landslide. Shouldn't the Front Runner be winning those polls?

LuvLoogie

(7,008 posts)
42. So National and Statewide scientific polls
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:18 PM
Aug 2015

are meaningless compared to self-polling on Democratic website forums?

Republican votes outnumber Democratic votes on this State Fair Straw poll by more than 2 to 1. Surely you don't believe that there are more than twice as many Republican voters in Iowa than Democratic voters in Iowa.

LuvLoogie

(7,008 posts)
45. So National polls that put Hillary 30 points ahead of Bernie
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 11:47 PM
Aug 2015

and Iowa statewide pols that put her 25 points ahead of Bernie are countered by this Iowa State fair Straw poll? Even though this Iowa State fair straw poll shows more than twice as many Republican voters as Democratic voters?

So Iowa State Fair Straw Poll demographics are not indicative of actual statewide Republican voter representation, but they ARE indicative of statewide Bernie voter representation?

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
46. National "polls"
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:16 AM
Aug 2015

How are these conducted? Calling phone lists? Land line numbers?

No one under 50 has a land line. I have not had a land line in 20 years. I do not see how these could be conducted over a broad spectrum of the country with any reliability anymore.

LuvLoogie

(7,008 posts)
48. So you DO believe
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:31 AM
Aug 2015

that there are more than twice as many Iowa Republicans than there are Iowa Democrats because of this Iowa State Fair Straw poll. You are admitting that. Correct?

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
49. Did you read my post
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:34 AM
Aug 2015

or follow the link? The link says that more dems voted in general election 2012 than repukes. No, I do not think there are twice as many repukes as dems in the state. I do think twice as many voted in the corn poll.

LuvLoogie

(7,008 posts)
51. Of course I read it and followed the link.
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:58 AM
Aug 2015

But you contradict yourself because national and state polling predicted the actual 2012 outcome in Iowa within a couple of points. You just negated national polling and are upholding this Straw Poll over Scientific statewide polling in measuring Bernie's statewide support.

But I will grant you that Bernie won the "Corn Poll" if you don't count Donald Trump.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
50. I heard ..
Sun Aug 16, 2015, 12:34 AM
Aug 2015

that pollsters are going to try the telegraph next . They seriously need to update their methods .

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
32. Is it done? Have not seen it updated for a while.
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:14 PM
Aug 2015

Democratic Party
D Lincoln Chafee 10 1.56%
D Hillary Clinton 259 40.53%
D Martin O'Malley 25 3.91%
D Bernie Sanders 341 53.36%
D Jim Webb 4 0.63%


Clowncar Party
R Jeb Bush 86 6.02%
R Ben Carson 258 18.05%
R Chris Christie 14 0.98%
R Ted Cruz 115 8.05%
R Mark Everson 2 0.14%
R Carly Fiorina 103 7.21%
R Jim Gilmore 1 0.07%
R Lindsay Graham 9 0.63%
R Mike Huckabee 53 3.71%
R Bobby Jindal 57 3.99%
R John Kasich 39 2.73%
R George Pataki 2 0.14%
R Rand Paul 58 4.06%
R Rick Perry 22 1.54%
R Marco Rubio 95 6.65%
R Rick Santorum 30 2.10%
R Donald Trump 390 27.29%
R Scott Walker 95 6.65%

 

Yallow

(1,926 posts)
35. Bernie Got Almost As Many As Trump
Sat Aug 15, 2015, 10:39 PM
Aug 2015

And they still don't know who he is, or what he is all about.

The dinosaurs are feeling weaker.....

Hey Trump. Give me a billion dollars and I will vote for you. Anything less
and Bernie gets my vote. 900 million won't do it.

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