Hillary Clinton still Democrats’ prize fighter despite setbacks and Sanders

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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/aug/15/email-setbacks-bernie-sanders-but-hillary-clinton-still-favorite

Hillary Clinton still Democrats’ prize fighter despite setbacks and Sanders

Party’s ‘safe haven’ may see a few bumps in the road – and rumours of Joe Biden considering a run – but strategists agree she remains Republicans’ top opponent

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Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton speaks at the Iowa Democratic Wing Ding on Friday in Clear Lake, Iowa. Photograph: Win McNamee/Getty Images

Lauren Gambino in New York
@LGamGam

Sunday 16 August 2015 06.04 EDT

Not so long ago, Hillary Clinton supporters’ main concern seemed to be a fear that her coronation as the Democratic candidate for president would leave her unprepared for battle with the Republican nominee.
Hillary Clinton mocks email scandal as Democrat hopefuls meet the faithful

Now, by all metrics, the former secretary of state retains a historically strong lead in the race to secure her party’s nomination. She is well ahead of the other declared candidates in terms of poll numbers, money and endorsements. But a succession of setbacks and the possibility of another mainstream rival joining the race has, to some degree, checked the presumptive-ness of the presumptive candidate.

This was a week that started out on a high note, with the rollout of Clinton’s college affordability plan, a policy prescription driven in large part by the party’s progressives. But the spotlight quickly moved to escalating investigations into the private email account the candidate used while secretary of state, and a drop in polls as reports renewed speculation that vice-president Joe Biden may join the race.

.................“She’s still the overwhelming favorite,” Rosenberg said. “I don’t think that’s changed.

“Has she weakened a bit and has her opponents gained a little bit of ground? Yes, but that was always to be expected in a race like this.”

[daybranch]

1. My 8 year olld nephew

could beat up on the republican clown car. Not much of an accomplishment.
She continues to proceed with her autobiography as if she deserves to be President because, well just because. She does not get that in a democracy , we are supposed to vote for whomever we believe will do the best for us. As a lifelong democrat, Iam glad to see our party moving away from the 3rd way and back to progressive populist positions on the issues. I am so proud to go to a door and support Progressive , populist ideas. It turns out these ideas I have always supported, it is just now that I have a candidate that agrees with me. It ain't about Bernie, but it is about us. Go Bernie!!!
Obama as he said would be a moderate republican in the 80s, Hillary is to the right of Obama, what kind of democrat is that?? Not mine!

[Indydem]

3. "will do the best for us"

Does it not even enter your mind that Bernie Sanders, despite his decades of consistently being far left on every issue, has not been able to accomplish one single, solitary thing as an elected official?

What will suddenly change when Bernie becomes president that will allow him to sway republicans and moderate Democrats to his way of thinking?

It isn't going to happen. Just like Obama was unable to get the things done he wanted. The reality is that Sanders will look even more impotent than Obama, and before long, he too will be a POSUCS.

[imthevicar]

4. So why Not just throw in the towell!

Give up before the fight is yet to be fought! Root for the other side. Oh yeah Obama Got a lot done like NDAA, and taking Medicare for all off the table for the ACA! or how about what he wants to do to the worker or the rest of us , like the TPP or the artic drilling he just green lighted for shell? oh Yeah how about the XL pipeline? yep your absolutely right establishment pols are the Greatest!

[Orrex]

9. Invoking Sanders' legislative record is hardly "throwing in the towel."

Rather than addressing the poster's quite reasonable question and explaining why Sanders has accomplished so little while in Congress, you instead respond with a strikingly juvenile and defensive tantrum.

I will certainly vote for him in Nov 2016 of some lengthy string of miracles puts him on the ballot, but it doesn't seem likely despite his cheering throngs.

[MannyGoldstein]

5. What, in your opinion, have been Hillary's three greatest wins?

for the 99%, of course.

[cantbeserious]

7. This Would Be A Good Thing To Know

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[MannyGoldstein]

13. The only thing I recall ever hearing...

is that she played a critical role in passing SCHIP -- which upon inspection turns out to be convincing her husband to not veto it -- and a list of things that she's said.

[JDPriestly]

10. Can you prove that negative -- that Sanders has not accomplished a thing?

It can't be true. He was mayor of Burlington, Vermont and accomplished a great deal there including rebuilding the river front.

And he has been elected and re-elected first to the House and then to the Senate from Vermont over and over since 1992. Apparently the people of Vermont think he does a lot for them.

The Democratic Party has not pushed him forward and given him a lot of credit, nevertheless, he has accomplished enough to be the ranking member of the Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs and to serve, among other things, on the Budget Committee.

If you mean that he is not part of the corruption and graft that greases the wheels of our Congress, you may be right. And that is why we like him.

He will do the best for us. Getting a president who is not indentured or enslaved to the oligarchs would be a major accomplishment.

What in the world has Hillary accomplished? How many times did she actually win an election, now? She claims the years that Bill Clinton was in the White house as her experience. But her attempt to get health care reform failed. She did well enough as Secretary of State but certainly was not one of our best secretaries of state. Far from it. I don't believe she really did that well in the Senate either. Didn't even run for re-election to the Senate. She's OK, but not a whole lot to brag about. Depends on your point of view I suppose.

If Hillary had really been way out front and a fantastic senator or secretary of state, Bernie would not be doing as well as he is.

Hillary is too sold out and too cautious to be a good leader. Sorry. That's the way it is.

[George II]

18. Since 1989 actually...sure the voters of Vermont like him...

....all 207,000 of them (the most votes he's every gotten in any election) I think Clinton got more than that in one district when she was elected Senator of NY.

What major legistative accomplishments has he had in the 26 years since those Vermont voters sent him to Washington?

[JDPriestly]

22. What major legislative accomplishments had Hillary had in the 26 years since Bernie

went to Washington?

Bernie went as an Independent. He has proposed legislation on many issues. He voted against the Iraq War Resolution and the first Iraq invasion under George I. Look at his voting record. Look at bills he has proposed and supported like the repeal of the Citizens United, bills supporting women's rights, bills supporting veterans.

One reason we support Bernie is that he is not part of the in-crowd in the Democratic Party that plays footsie with bigoted, greedy Republicans. We want a big Democratic majority in Congress.

People do not vote for Democrats because they can't tell the Democrats from the Republicans.

Bernie doesn't vote with Republicans in the sense that too many of our Democratic members of Congress do.

When Bernie speaks of a political revolution, he is talking about getting rid of the corporations' representatives in Congress and replacing them with the representatives of the people.

That's why we support Bernie.

Haskill is just one example of a DemoRepub. She has one foot in the Democratic Party and the other in the Republican Party. Enough is enough of that. We the people are losing out under that system.

What good are "accomplishments" that harm the interests of ordinary Americans? Utterly no good, that's what.

"Accomplishments" like reducing taxes on the very rich in exchange for not cutting food stamps too much, like voting for a boondoggle war that results only in yet another war, like signing the repeal of Glass-Steagall, like signing Welfare Reform that results in hungry children, like signing NAFTA, like favoring the privatization of prisons and other government functions we do not need.

If those kinds of things are what you call accomplishments, you can have them. I don't want them.

[DrBulldog]

14. Go read his legislative record.

Go ahead. I dare you.

[Indydem]

21. Oh. I've read it.

30 years of proposing a bunch of bills that die in committee or are unimportant.

Unless you think renaming Post Office branches is important work.

[JDPriestly]

23. Read my post #22.

A lot of the things that Bill Clinton claims as "accomplishments" have harmed our country.

Hillary served in the Senate what, one term, maybe 2, failed when she proposed health care reform due to lack of political common sense? And then as Secretary of State with very little accomplished during that tenure?

Bernie as mayor of Burlington accomplished great things. Other cities copied some of the programs that were instituted in Burlington during his tenure as mayor.

It is not Bernie's fault that so many of the members of Congress serve the corporations and not the American people.

Look at Bernie's record. It is precisely the record I want my president to have.

[MNBrewer]

2. "but strategists agree"

I'm sure they do.

[Motown_Johnny]

6. It isn't even Labor Day yet.

Of course things have not changed, yet.


Lets get past a couple debates and then see where we are.

[jalan48]

8. Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr., Obama, now Clinton or Bush again? Really?

George Sr. was President for 4 years officially but considering Reagan had dementia lets add a few more years to his Presidency. Then Bill Clinton for 8, then George Jr. for 8, then Obama. Now if we get Hillary or Jeb it will be a Clinton or a Bush for over 25 years as our President just in our recent history. What's up with this?

[raindaddy]

11. "Strategists Agree"??????

And who are these strategists? The same people who fed "Third Way" Claire McCaskill these lines she repeated on national TV? "I think the media is giving Bernie a pass right now,"I very rarely read in any coverage of Bernie that he's a socialist. I think everybody wants a fight and I think they are not really giving the same scrutiny to Bernie Sanders that they're giving certainly to Hillary Clinton and the other candidates."

And from the crowds Bernie continues to draw, it's starting to look like people don't really give a shit what the "strategists" and New Democrats think. They're actually interested in the "issues".. And when it comes to the "issues" all of the entitlement, strategists and political machinery can't touch Bernie....

[DrBulldog]

12. According to the AP, this is all what Hillary did at the state fair :

" Clinton sampled a pork chop on a stick and a lemonade. Minutes later, she boarded a black SUV and was whisked away."

Meanwhile Bernie went face-to-face with the voters for a half-hour, sipping only a root beer.

[SoapBox]

17. Mostly likely, she had another roped off, private $2700 a plate fundraiser.

She is really making me sick, with her money grubbing around billionaires and millionaires.

My Hillary burnout grows daily.

[George II]

19. Not true - Clinton walked the fair for about 90 minutes, greeting people and talking to them...

...but Sanders showed up, made his little stump speech (not much different than Phoenix, Dallas, etc.) and then IMMEDIATELY left.

Where you you guys come up with this stuff?

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-drops-her-guard-in-iowa-121394.html

...Sanders, however, did not take questions from the public as candidates on the box usually do — and his day at the fair was brief as he rushed passed Iowans in a hurried brisk walk, cameramen pushing and jabbing annoyed bystanders out of the way.

Clinton, by contrast, took her time, spending about an hour and a half at the fair as she inched along and people approached....

[raindaddy]

20. Do you have a corn dog photo as proof?

Usually the obligatory, "I'm just like you", photo-op politicians use to make people think they have their backs....

[Indepatriot]

15. I always rely on the wisdom of "stratigests" when assesing a candidate.

My "average guy" assessment, based on Clinton's and Sanders' track records.....


Bernie Sanders = Main Street

Hillary Clinton = Wall Street

[SoapBox]

16. Hilarious!

Her car is running out of gas!

The more thousands of Americans see and hear Bernie's message, they jump onboard immediately.

Oh there are the usual Hillionaire supporters...DINO's, Third Wayers, Banksters, the Powerful and Entrentched "Dems"...and the impotent talking media heads, that keep quoting old and outdated propaganda.

Well they now can start talking truth...or get swept aside by the HUGE storm that is Bernie Sanders!

It's time for change...BIG change...and Clinton is not change.

Bernie, has the VOTERS.