Is the medical marijuana thing the most blatant Hillary-bashing lie so far?

[DanTex]

There's been a lot of lying and misinformation by the anti-Hillary camp, but this might be the most blatant one. The other interesting thing is, a lot of the anti-Hillary smears originate with the right, and then are repeated by the far left. But this one seems to have been invented by the far left itself.

Does this signal a new low in Hillary-bashing?


Why do you think it is that Hillary's detractors are so keen on spreading false smears?

[cantbeserious]

1. No - The Most Blatant Lie Is The Denial That She Represents The 1% - Not The 99%

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[DanTex]

2. LOL. Right on cue.

[cantbeserious]

5. Laughter - Indicates An Element Of Truth

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[DanTex]

6. I noticed you were the first one to rec the medical marijuana lie.

[cantbeserious]

30. Because I Am Online In The Early Morning And Comment On Many HRC OPs

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[bettyellen]

62. you comment on many HRC Ops you know are fabrications?

[cantbeserious]

65. I Had No Knowledge Of The Fabrication When The Post Was Made - However

That does not change my opinion that HRC is Cold and Calculating.

[bettyellen]

69. So you make excuses and continue to rec complete bullshit. Gee that's awesome.

[cantbeserious]

71. No Excuses - My Opinion Is That HRC Is Cold And Calculating

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[bettyellen]

75. LOL @ the attempts to brainwash people here with these robotic replies.....

[cantbeserious]

78. Not Brainwashed - It Is My Opinion - Based On Observing Her Public Persona

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[BeanMusical]

89. That's one of the reasons why I switched from her to Obama in 2008.

[cantbeserious]

91. Yes - Many Switched To The Lessor Of Two Corporate Evils In 2008

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[BeanMusical]

92. Very true.

[SusanaMontana41]

95. That's right. n/t

[AgingAmerican]

120. Most of those who support her now

Attacked her viciously in 2007 - 2008

[cantbeserious]

121. Funny That Turn Of Affairs

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[lunamagica]

112. "She has so much compassion, and it shows," said middle school teacher Sarah Harris"

From the mother of another sick child

"She has so much compassion, and it shows," said middle school teacher Sarah Harris, the mother of that girl close to beating Stage 4 liver cancer. "She's a person, she's a grandmother, she's somebody's mother."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/on-the-road-with-hillary-clinton-as-she-surprisingly-connects-with-voters/2241358

What kind of people lie and recommend such a lie? What kind of people use the tragedy of a mother and a dying child to further their agenda? What kind of people are not ourraged by such a vile action?

You know you can unrec a post, don't you?

[cantbeserious]

114. I Did Not Post The OP - Someone Else Did

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[lunamagica]

116. But you rec'd it. Did you unrec after you found out it was a lie?

[cantbeserious]

117. No I Did Not Rec The Thread

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[Agschmid]

129. We all saw it.

Here is a shovel... Keep digging.

It's clear what your agenda is, and how your willing to embrace a complete fabrication to support that agenda.

[okasha]

138. So how does it happen

that your handle is the very first name on the rec list?

Very, very strange that would be if you didn't press the rec button.

[Agschmid]

128. Yes and you didn't bother to check the facts.

[justhanginon]

24. I agree. Some posts should be followed by,

"the preceding was a prerecorded message." I guess if that is your theme for the primaries, have at it. But the constant repetition begins to look rather childish after a while.
My mistake, I was actually responding to DanTex "right on cue" post.

[cantbeserious]

31. Do Candidates Use Repetition - Yes - One Wonders Why

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[SMC22307]

105. "Hope and Change." "Hope and Change." "Hope and Change."

[cantbeserious]

109. Where Have I Heard That Before - Obama - He Won An Advertising Award For That

http://www.adsavvy.org/obama-wins-ad-ages-marketer-of-the-year/

Obama Wins Ad Age’s ‘Marketer Of The Year’
by Vito Rispo

Every year hundreds of the biggest marketers, agency heads, and all manner of people involved in advertising get together at the Association of National Advertisers’ annual conference. And every year, they vote on the best advertiser of that particular year. This year Barack Obama won with a pretty substantial 36% of the vote, beating out the two runners-up Apple and Zappos.com. Nike, Coors and Sen. John McCain filled out the bottom of the vote.

“I honestly look at [Obama's] campaign and I look at it as something that we can all learn from as marketers,” said Angus Macaulay, VP-Rodale marketing solutions “To see what he’s done, to be able to create a social network and do it in a way where it’s created the tools to let people get engaged very easily. It’s very easy for people to participate.”

Linda Clarizio, president of AOL’s Platform A, said of Barack Obama, “I think he did a great job of going from a relative unknown to a household name to being a candidate for president.”

Snip ...

[justhanginon]

107. Wow! Hadn't thought of that. Think I'll give it a try.

Some posts should be followed by,
"the preceding was a prerecorded message." I guess if that is your theme for the primaries, have at it. But the constant repetition begins to look rather childish after a while.

[cantbeserious]

110. Hope And Change - Hope And Change - Hope And Change - Sound Familiar

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[Agschmid]

127. Foolish post...

[cantbeserious]

130. Not Foolish - Observant And Astute - Remember Hope And Change - Won't Be Fooled Again

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[BooScout]

3. There's so many right wing lies I see posted about her here now....

...it's hard to pick the most blatant. ....as fast as we disprove them, they make up another.

[Fred Sanders]

46. Do you mean RW lies about anything Hillary, just at DU, or by Republicans?

Or both?

[mcar]

4. So far

I am still waiting for Vince Foster and the Mena Airport to make their appearances here.

[virtualobserver]

7. you are talking about her interaction with the Woman and sick child....

at the Iowa state fair.

Do you agree that this needs more study?

[cali]

8. no dumber than the crap about Bernie that you personally post

Pot meet kettle.

[DanTex]

9. You're kidding, right? When did I post any blatant lies?

Sure, I get that you disagree with me, but I thought you were capable of distinguishing a difference of opinion from a lie.

[Motown_Johnny]

36. Can you please post something that proves it is a lie?

Right now all I see from you is your opinion. Please help us see that it is a lie by providing evidence which supports your statements.

Thank you.

[okasha]

139. Go read the thread in question.

The video of the conversation between Hillary and Quinn's mother is linked in several posts.

[Enthusiast]

74. One huge enthusiastic + 1!

[MH1]

10. Can you post her published position on medical marijuana?

And preferably on marijuana legalization in general, and any position she has on the Drug War in general.

Does she have a published position on these issues?

[restorefreedom]

27. i would like to know that too

esp since it is part of the prison reform issue, as many are in prison due to nv drug infractions, and even marijuana penalities can be quite punative.

[azmom]

54. What is her position?

[Nay]

104. I third this -- I would like to know the positions of every candidate on marijuana; I

personally think it should be legal for any and all uses, and should be legal to grow at home or on a farm. What does Hillary think about that, and the whole drug war thing?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

132. Early last year she "seemed" to be against it.

I say seemed, because she is rather hard to pin down until her polling is complete.

[misterhighwasted]

11. If Bernie were a strong enough candidate to stand on his own

..Hillary wouldn't be talked about at all.

There's your answer.
Hillary will never lose to bernie or any clown in the GElection.
They know that too. And slander is the only tool left in their box.
The RW has been the far left's bff in trying to surge their candidate past Hillary.
Aaaaand it's still not happening. Guess that's why they ressurected Gore. But he's not leaving his comfy place in life to jump into the political meatgrinder of a Presidential
Election.
Why ever would he.

[Autumn]

16. I think more Hillary supporters start OPs about Bernie than Bernie supporters start

OPs about Hillary. But I would be just fine if Hillary weren't talked about at all too.

[George II]

124. I think you're wrong - for the most part, except in blatantly false or misleading OPs, Sanders is...

...and his followers are ignored.

I actually can't recall a single OP started about Sanders. I'm sure there are a few but not very many at all.

[Autumn]

141. Yeah right, 14 Op's on Sanders on the first page of GDP alone

and I didn't count the ones posted by the Hillary people, those 14 are OPs posted by Bernie supporters

[Motown_Johnny]

20. Coronation? Inevitable?

good luck with that

[misterhighwasted]

34. Hillary doesn't need your good luck wishes.

The coronation of bernie will never happen. Well, maybe as Senator, of course as he is a fine Senator.

[Motown_Johnny]

35. I was wishing you luck,

because when Hillary implodes, you are going to need it.

[misterhighwasted]

53. Haa. I don't want your wishes & Bernie will be back in his Senate seat by the time

..Hillary becomes the First Madam President elected, Nov 2016.
Implosion will come to rest on the GOP & those who borrowed their fabricated lies, believing that would keep Sec Clinton from being elected.

[Motown_Johnny]

59. What do you base that on?

Just because you want it to be true doesn't mean that it is.

We need to see what happens in the first couple debates before this race takes shape. It is way to early to be as certain as you seem to be.

[L0oniX]

40. He IS standing on his own ...with no support from the billionaires like some others.

[BeanMusical]

90. +1

[Live and Learn]

99. Comments like yours make me want to donate even more to Bernie.

In fact, I think I will set aside a separate donation pot for Bernie and put $1 in to it for every snide remark the Hillary supporters post about him here on DU. That will make a substantial donation, I am sure.

[leftofcool]

137. Nailed it!

[marble falls]

12. Where will Hillary Clinton stand on marijuana legalization in 2016?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/politics/hillary-clinton-marijuana/index.html

Earlier this year, during a town hall with CNN, she told Christiane Amanpour that she wants to "wait and see" how legalization goes in the states before making it a national decision. At the same event, she cast some doubt on medical marijuana by questioning the amount of research done into the issue.

Later in the year, Clinton labeled marijuana a "gateway drug" where there "can't be a total absence of law enforcement."

"I'm a big believer in acquiring evidence, and I think we should see what kind of results we get, both from medical marijuana and from recreational marijuana, before we make any far-reaching conclusions," Clinton told KPCC in July. "We need more studies. We need more evidence. And then we can proceed."

This is more open, however, than in 2008 when Clinton was outright against decriminalization, a step that is less aggressive than legalization.

Despite warming on the issue, Clinton's position causes concern among activists like St. Pierre because he feels they are far from solid.

"If reforms keep picking up... the winds in our sails are clear," he said. "But if we lose one of more or all of those elections this year, [cautious] people around her could make the argument that this thing has peaked and you now have to get on the other side of it."

St. Pierre said he also watched -- laughing -- as Clinton tried to personally distance herself from marijuana at the CNN town hall.

"Absolutely not," Clinton said when asked if she would try the drug. "I didn't do it when I was young, I'm not going to start now."

<snip>

[virtualobserver]

14. "wait and see" if she needs to "evolve"

until then try and stay out of prison y'all.

[99th_Monkey]

25. +100 ^ This^ nt

[L0oniX]

41. On the fence ...as usual.

[Ichingcarpenter]

42. And the wind cried Mary

After all the jacks are in their boxes,
and the clowns have all gone to bed,
you can hear happiness staggering on down the street,
footprints dress in red.

And the wind whispers Mary.

A broom is drearily sweeping
up the broken pieces of yesterday's life.
Somewhere a Queen is weeping,
somewhere a King has no wife.

And the wind it cries Mary.

The traffic lights they turn blue tomorrow
And shine their emptiness down on my bed,
The tiny island sags downstream
'Cos the life that they lived is dead.

And the wind screams Mary.

Will the wind ever remember
The names it has blown in the past,
And with this crutch, its old age and its wisdom
It whispers, "No, this will be the last."

And The Wind Cries Mary.


Or should I post 'the answer is blowing in the wind?

The scientific evidence is there Hillary you just don't want to look at it.

[moobu2]

70. Everything Hillary said (if this is true)

was perfect. taking into consideration that most of these quotes were spinets of a longer conversation.

Bernie rarely talks about issue like this in his huge crowds "economic justice!", "Income inequality!!!", "Big Banks are bad!" but he never talks about how he plans on accomplishing anything he talks about.

If Bernie actually got himself elected with these crowd manipulation techniques his governing style could set us back years. Hopefully we wont have to worry about that.

[AllyCat]

102. Has Ms Clinton? I can't afford her fundraising meet and greets

So maybe you can tell us how she will do everything.

As for Bernie, his message hasn't changed for decades. Hardly twisting the crowd. And that is why he is only one part of the revolution. We need to demand the same changes of our elected officials.

I hope you will join us, even in the latter action.

[okasha]

143. That "his message hasn't changed in forty years"

is part of Sanders' problem. It means that

1. He hasn't come up with any solution to the problems he articulated forty years ago; and

2. His thinking is dangerously rigid for a position that requires quick and agile thinking and where a mistake can cost lives.

[SMC22307]

111. Income inequality leads to societal collapse.

Not sure why you're so dismissive of that.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2012/feb/05/inequality-leads-to-economic-collapse

"Crowd manipulation techniques"? Now that's fucking funny.

[sufrommich]

13. There's been a ton of ugliness directed at her and

anyone who doesn't think Bernie Sanders is the second coming.His primary run is going to be remembered for having the most over zealous,over the top supporters ever,and not just on DU.

[misterhighwasted]

15. Yes. slander is all they have to prop up their annointed messiah.

Bernie has surged as far as he'll ever go.
When his supporters resort to borrowing RW lies then you know the surge has hit its peak.
But we always knew this didn't we.

[Motown_Johnny]

33. Can you please post something that proves it is a lie?

I asked this of Dantex in post #18 but am not having any luck.

Please help us see that it is a lie.

[misterhighwasted]

37. It's been posted & proven repeatedly. I can't help you.

How did you miss the posted debunking of the RW slander about Clinton. They've only been doing it since Bill denied GHW Bush his second term.
You've missed it for 25 yrs??

[BeanMusical]

55. Then you shouldn't have any problem finding and posting many links...

to quotes from her about her current position on that topic.

[misterhighwasted]

77. Why should I. You've ignored it for this long why would you read my answers.

If you have to ask for proof then you really don't want it. Its been availible for 25 yrs. You know exactly what I'm talking about. You agree with the RW lies and the Rove mission to destroy the Clinton's when Bill denied GHW Bush his second term?
Maybe try google. Its not a secret some Clinton fan just made up.
Bu Bye

[Picking Dem]

83. And proving BeanMusical's point

You are still attacking, when he asked you for links to verify statements. Even threw in Rove for a good measure. Proving BM's point and my theory regarding Clinton supporters.

[BeanMusical]

86. What's that delirious word salad? I asked where HRC currently stands on Medical MJ.

[SMC22307]

113. Well, I do know that Bill kissed and made up with Richard Mellon Scaife.

Now, what is Hillary's position on medical and recreational marijuana use?

[Motown_Johnny]

68. It seems you can't help because your side is wrong.

As I posted in response #18, she seems to be on all sides of this issue at once.




http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/politics/hillary-clinton-marijuana

^snip^

"She is so politically pragmatic," said Alan St. Pierre, the director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. "If she has to find herself running against a conservative Republican in 2016, I am fearful, from my own view here, that she is going to tack more to the middle. And the middle in this issue tends to tack more to the conservative side."


Clinton has moved toward pro-legalization, though.

Earlier this year, during a town hall with CNN, she told Christiane Amanpour that she wants to "wait and see" how legalization goes in the states before making it a national decision. At the same event, she cast some doubt on medical marijuana by questioning the amount of research done into the issue.

Later in the year, Clinton labeled marijuana a "gateway drug" where there "can't be a total absence of law enforcement."



http://www.attn.com/stories/1403/hillary-clinton-five-things-2016

^snip^


During the 2008 election Hillary Clinton was not in favor of decriminalization, which is a step below legalization. Since then, however, her views have become watered down and vague.

"I'm a big believer in acquiring evidence," Clinton told NPR affiliate KPCC in July of 2014. "And I think we should see what kind of results we get, both from medical marijuana and from recreational marijuana, before we make any far-reaching conclusions. We need more studies. We need more evidence. And then we can proceed."

She issued a similar refrain during a town hall discussion with CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "On recreational, you know, states are the laboratories of democracy. We have at least two states that are experimenting with that right now," Clinton said in reference to Colorado and Washington, which legalized marijuana "I want to wait and see what the evidence is."





Unlike the candidate I support:




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/19/bernie-sanders-marijuana_n_7337454.html



Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Tuesday that he supports the decriminalization of marijuana possession and the legalization of medical marijuana, and suggested that he's also open to considering further reforms when it comes to recreational marijuana.

"Let me just say this," Sanders began in response to a question about his position on the war on drugs during a Reddit "Ask Me Anything" style interview. "The state of Vermont voted to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana and I support that. I have supported the use of medical marijuana. And when I was mayor of Burlington, in a city with a large population, I can tell you very few people were arrested for smoking marijuana. Our police had more important things to do."

With regard to full marijuana legalization, Sanders said he will look to Colorado, where recreational marijuana is legal, to see the effects of such a policy change. Colorado was the first state to legalize the drug for recreational purposes. It's now fully legal in four states and in Washington, D.C., though sales remain banned in the District.

"Colorado has led the effort toward legalizing marijuana and I'm going to watch very closely to see the pluses and minuses of what they have done," Sanders wrote on Reddit. "I will have more to say about this issue within the coming months."

[misterhighwasted]

85. You have no fight. But I'm sure that won't deter you from

..continuing on.
Follow the method of the Rove RW hacks when you have nothing else.
Its been going on since the Clintons pissed off the Bush's.
And why GW was carefully "selected" rather than risk losing the way his father did.
Thats what this ongoing battle to destroy the Clintons is about & that is why Hillary has the powerhouse of support she has.
Its not about your marijuana ordeal. That's been addressed by Hillary. But you didn't either read nor believe that link posted.
So what you want is a pissing match here with no resolve.
There's no point to continuing then.
Have a day.

[artislife]

144. Hillary supporters called another candidate

messiah and it looked badly on them. Is it possible not to churn the same words that were used in a vile fashion back in 2008?



Perhaps you personally haven't used the word berniebot but that is another ridiculous churn of obamabot that was hurled in 2008.

The intent behind those posts were clear as these ones are. It is kind of slimy.

[DanTex]

17. Bernie supporters trashing BLM will be one of the things that the movement is remembered for.

[bettyellen]

67. I told a friend who campaigns that he'd better scrape that off his shoe right now because he sounds

like a self-centered loon with his conspiracy theories. He loves OWS and Code Pink, but all of a sudden protesters are rude.
I told him it was easy to do the math right there.

[artislife]

93. Nice deflect

So shall we bring in one of her many many scandals?

Why do you make me laugh so early in the morning?

[DanTex]

94. Deflect from what? I was responding to a post about Bernie's over-zealous supporters.

[lunamagica]

115. So you still support the dishonest medical marijuana post?

[okasha]

142. Her name's still on the rec list.

And at this point it's pretty futile to argue that that OP is anything but a deliberate lie.

[MH1]

21. There's been more bullshit than substance from both sides.

I would like to know what Hillary's published position is, on the various aspects of marijuana laws, the Drug War, and the harmful results of those.

The information marble falls posted in reply #12 of this thread seems to be credible and it is damning. I would think if there were a better side to show of Hillary's positions and history in this area, her supporters would be pummeling these threads with links and excerpts. But I've asked in a couple places for her current position, and so far crickets are chirping.

[sufrommich]

23. I've now seen her exact quote on both legalization and medical

marijuana posted at least 3 times now.It's not that her positions aren't known,it's that they're ignored over and over again.

Hillary on legalizing marijuana:

Clinton said during a CNN “Town Hall” Tuesday night that “states are the laboratories of democracy” and that “I want to wait and see what the evidence is” in the two states that have already legalized recreational marijuana.


Hillary on medical marijuana:

“I don’t think we’ve done enough research yet although I think for people who are in extreme medical conditions and have anecdotal evidence that it works, there should be availability under appropriate circumstances,”


Q: What is your approach to the “Drug War”?

CLINTON: I have spoken out on my belief that we should have drug courts that would serve as alternatives to the traditional criminal justice system for low-level offenders. If the person comes before the court, agrees to stay clean, is subjected to drug tests once a week, they are diverted from the criminal justice system. We need more treatment. It is unfair to urge people to get rid of their addiction and not have the treatment facilities when people finally makes up their minds to get treatment.


Q: The US Sentencing Commission recently limited the disparity in sentencing guidelines for those convicted of crimes involving crack cocaine versus crimes involving powder cocaine. Should that change be retroactive?

A: I believe we’ve got to decrease the disparity that exists. It is really unconscionable that someone who uses five grams of crack cocaine, compared to 500 grams of powder cocaine would face such disparate sentencing. And it’s further compounded because the possession of crack cocaine really is unique in the way that it leads directly to prison for so many people. So I am going to tackle the disparity. I think it definitely needs to be prospective on principle. I have problems with retroactivity. I think that it’s something that a lot of communities will be concerned about as well, so let’s tackle this disparity, let’s take it on. The sentencing commission hasn’t come forward yet with its specific recommendation but I’m looking forward to seeing it.



Clinton co-sponsored ending harsher sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine

A bill to target cocaine kingpins and address sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine.

Sponsor's introductory remarks: Sen. Biden: My bill will eliminate the current 100-to-1 disparity [between sentencing for crack vs. powder cocaine] by increasing the 5-year mandatory minimum threshold quantity for crack cocaine to 500 grams, from 5 grams, and the 10-year threshold quantity to 5,000 grams, from 50 grams, while maintaining the current statutory mandatory minimum threshold quantities for powder cocaine. It will also eliminate the current 5-year mandatory minimum penalty for simple possession of crack cocaine, the only mandatory minimum sentence for simple possession of a drug by a first time offender.

Drug use is a serious problem, and I have long supported strong antidrug legislation. But in addition to being tough, our drug laws should be rational and fair. My bill achieves the right balance. We have talked about the need to address this cocaine sentencing disparity for long enough. It is time to act.

Congressional Summary:

Increases the amount of a controlled substance or mixture containing a cocaine base (i.e., crack cocaine) required for the imposition of mandatory minimum prison terms for crack cocaine trafficking to eliminate the sentencing disparity between crack and powder cocaine.
Eliminates the five-year mandatory minimum prison term for first-time possession of crack cocaine.
Increases monetary penalties for drug trafficking and for the importation and exportation of controlled substances.



You may not like her positions,but stop pretending that she doesn't have them.

[restorefreedom]

29. if that is the case on the medical

maybe she could have said that at the fair rather than "needs more research."

she is not going to alienate dem voters imo by coming out strong in favor of medical. but it kind of looks like she is trying to play the middle.

[dsc]

103. except she said "Yes I support it" not just there needs to be more research

It is right on the tape which was provided multiple times in the thread.

[restorefreedom]

108. if that is the case then fine

of course there needs be more research imo to see what other applications there could be. ok groovy. thanks for clarifying.

sometimes i f*cking hate primary season.

[misterhighwasted]

39. There it is. Thanks. Not like this will be enough for those who just can't give up on the

..search for something..anything..truth or lie, to demean Hillary Clinton.
I swear they're all getting their gotchas from the old Bush/Bill Clinton vendetta..25 yrs ago.

[Roy Ellefson]

22. PUMA

to quote many Hillary supporters after Obama clinched the 2008 nomination, "Party unity my ass!!"

[sufrommich]

26. I've linked to research in the past about the percentage

of primary voters who voted for Obama in 2008,Hillary voters voted for Obama in the General Election in exceptionally high percentages,the least likely primary voters to back Obama in the General were those who voted for John Edwards. I've seen more "PUMA" crap from Sanders supporters claiming that they'll never vote for Hillary if she wins the general than I ever saw from real Hillary supporters,most of the fabled PUMA Hillary nonsense came straight from Rush Limbaugh,I'm not surprised to see some Sanders supporters here using the same tactics.

[artislife]

96. Not true

I spent 2008 on feminist sites like the confluence and more. PUMAS were real and much more trash and burn than this site.
This site is rather polite comparitively.

[Motown_Johnny]

18. Can you please post something that proves it is a lie?

I know very little about this, but it sounds like Hillary just refused to give a direct answer (her default position that many of us take issue with).

If it was just a thoughtless moment then she should say so and this will quickly pass. If this is another situation where she won't reveal her position until after she is President, it is another problem.

It does look like she is playing politics with this and doing it directly in the face of a mother who's child is ill looks really really bad.


I did a quick search and all I see is that she is (again) trying to be on all sides of this issue at once. Please post something that proves me wrong. I would honestly be relieved to know that she is on the right side of this issue.



http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/politics/hillary-clinton-marijuana

^snip^

"She is so politically pragmatic," said Alan St. Pierre, the director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws. "If she has to find herself running against a conservative Republican in 2016, I am fearful, from my own view here, that she is going to tack more to the middle. And the middle in this issue tends to tack more to the conservative side."


Clinton has moved toward pro-legalization, though.

Earlier this year, during a town hall with CNN, she told Christiane Amanpour that she wants to "wait and see" how legalization goes in the states before making it a national decision. At the same event, she cast some doubt on medical marijuana by questioning the amount of research done into the issue.

Later in the year, Clinton labeled marijuana a "gateway drug" where there "can't be a total absence of law enforcement."



http://www.attn.com/stories/1403/hillary-clinton-five-things-2016

^snip^


During the 2008 election Hillary Clinton was not in favor of decriminalization, which is a step below legalization. Since then, however, her views have become watered down and vague.

"I'm a big believer in acquiring evidence," Clinton told NPR affiliate KPCC in July of 2014. "And I think we should see what kind of results we get, both from medical marijuana and from recreational marijuana, before we make any far-reaching conclusions. We need more studies. We need more evidence. And then we can proceed."

She issued a similar refrain during a town hall discussion with CNN's Christiane Amanpour. "On recreational, you know, states are the laboratories of democracy. We have at least two states that are experimenting with that right now," Clinton said in reference to Colorado and Washington, which legalized marijuana "I want to wait and see what the evidence is."

[BeanMusical]

48. +1

[ibegurpard]

19. To the Clinton supporters on DU

Physician heal thyself.
For the record I also think this is bullshit and won't be spreading it but you really have no standing for outrage about bullshit and lies being spread.

[Sunlei]

28. what are Mrs. Clintons and Sen. Sanders statements about MJ? will they decriminalise the plant?

anyone know?

What I hope for is President Obama totally decriminalizes the plant by mandate, soon.

[Motown_Johnny]

32. I posted some stuff on Hillary in response #18

but I still have no idea where she stands on it. To me, it looks like she wants to be on all sides of the issue at once (her default position on most everything).

Bernie:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/19/bernie-sanders-marijuana_n_7337454.html



Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said Tuesday that he supports the decriminalization of marijuana possession and the legalization of medical marijuana, and suggested that he's also open to considering further reforms when it comes to recreational marijuana.

"Let me just say this," Sanders began in response to a question about his position on the war on drugs during a Reddit "Ask Me Anything" style interview. "The state of Vermont voted to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana and I support that. I have supported the use of medical marijuana. And when I was mayor of Burlington, in a city with a large population, I can tell you very few people were arrested for smoking marijuana. Our police had more important things to do."

With regard to full marijuana legalization, Sanders said he will look to Colorado, where recreational marijuana is legal, to see the effects of such a policy change. Colorado was the first state to legalize the drug for recreational purposes. It's now fully legal in four states and in Washington, D.C., though sales remain banned in the District.

"Colorado has led the effort toward legalizing marijuana and I'm going to watch very closely to see the pluses and minuses of what they have done," Sanders wrote on Reddit. "I will have more to say about this issue within the coming months."



Edit to add: President Obama can't just decriminalize it by mandate. A federal law needs to be changed.

[BeanMusical]

44. Thank you.

[Sunlei]

126. Thank you, I prefer Sen. Sanders position. Disappointed Mrs. Clinton uses the 'gateway drug' speak.

I may not care to vote for her, if she won't rein in the Feds much more then President Obama has to date. Private citizens now, sue the crap out of people in Colorado using the Federal Rico laws and they win their cases in the Co. Federal courts.

I want clear policy positions and what they will do immediately. Both of them said wait for studies. Obamas first month he made several changes immediately. They need to decriminalize the plant at the federal level, just the plant. Like poppy plants are legal but the production and sale of the drug is still illegal.

[aikoaiko]

38. Which medical marijuana thing?

[fbc]

43. I assume Hillary is against marijuana legalization in all forms.

If you're not sure about a Hillary position, assume she's taking the republican line unless she specifically says otherwise

[moobu2]

45. That's dishonest.

[fbc]

49. Is it really?

[moobu2]

52. But Bernie has never made an ounce of progress on any of those issues.

Could be he's just so rigid in his ideology that it makes him a poor leader. I think what his worshipers love about him is the quality that would make him an terrible POTUS.

[fbc]

58. if "willing to compromise with republicans" is a good thing, Hillary should own it

[Bjorn Against]

76. Hillary moved us backwards on all of those issues

It is not rigid ideology that prevented Bernie from standing voting for the Iraq war, it was basic common sense and human decency.

Do you really think opposition to the bills mentioned in the graphic above represents rigid ideology? If so you must consider most Democrats to be rigid ideologues.

[OnyxCollie]

47. Speaking of spreading false smears,

you were the one who repeated, over and over, "Will Pitt called Pres. Obama a piece of shit!"

Borrowing from the Republican playbook again, I see.

[sufrommich]

56. Are you really denying that Will Pitt called Obama

a "piece of shit used car salesman"? Because nothing disappears on the internet, you know?

[JoePhilly]

72. I think the phrase was "Fucking piece of shit used car salesman."

Might want to look it up.

[bettyellen]

79. that actually happened.

[OnyxCollie]

82. That actually happened (except the quote was altered

from "President Obama is a piece of shit car salesman" to "President Obama is a piece of shit.&quot

There. Fixed that for you. Now stop spreading false smears.

[bettyellen]

84. Hmmm, I thought it was "used car salesman" but only asking because you were "quoting"....

And there is no smear. Will typed what he did- and awful smear against the president- whether you read the full or truncated version- the meaning is exactly the same.

[OnyxCollie]

88. LOL!

[George II]

131. Which to many is even worse.

[DanTex]

98. Umm, Will Pitt actually did say that.

[Hekate]

134. Vintage Will Pitt. Why would you want to erase/alter that piece of his illustrious DU history?

A man should stand by his words -- particularly when he refuses to correct them based on facts.

[silenttigersong]

50. Minor distortion

from someone who perceived something is hardly a lie.To conflate that with RW talking points is extremely disingenuous.Hillary Clinton has more on her plate like Jeb Bush and the Irag war(again).How is she going to pivot and sidestep that?

[randr]

51. Best way to find Hillary's stand on pot?

Look to see if any of her donors are part of the private prison network. A network helped along by Clinton the first I might add.
This is a tough nut to crack as many investors remain hidden through corporate trickery.
I hope someone here at DU has the time to enlighten us.

[azmom]

57. She is taking their dirty money. For profit

Prisons are a cancer in our society.

[randr]

61. The profits of these prisons come from the suffering of people

arrested for medieval drug laws.

[azmom]

66. Yep, and they are raking in Millions. They

Buy our politicians to keep these laws in place. Everyone gets rich except for average Americans.

[BeanMusical]

73. The lobbyists from 2 private prisons corps. are donors.

I just Googled "hillary private prisons" (without the quotes) and the results are interesting.

Example:

Private Prison Lobbyists Are Raising Cash for Hillary Clinton

As immigration and incarceration issues become central to the 2016 presidential campaign, lobbyists for two major prison companies are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton.

Corrections Corporation of America and the Geo Group could both see their fortunes turning if there are fewer people to lock up in the future.

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/

[Scuba]

145. /\_/\_This right here_/\_/\

[ismnotwasm]

60. Not sure

Sorting through the outright lies, and the distortions is overwhelming.

[Picking Dem]

87. My vision isn't as good as it used to be

What is that as your avatar? I do seem to remember you having the rainbow H logo.

[Bluenorthwest]

63. You affecting concern for mendacity in posting is amusing, but I will say that all of our candidates

sound very East Coast and moderate on cannabis to most voters in States with legal cannabis and there are millions of us. Even Bernie, who I support, sounds very cautious. This is because the country is on very different timelines of progress on this and many other things. Bernie's keeping an eye on Colorado he says. It's all Colorado, and the East Coast is watching, waiting to see what happens. As if it has not already happened. Which it has. Four times so far. But back east, they are waiting, they are watching and they are thinking about possibly considering suggesting a very serious discussion about it. Maybe. Depending.

[nilesobek]

64. I wonder if Hillary is cool to hang out.

Have a Sunday morning drink and smoke some dispensary stuff with us instead going to a fundamentalist prayer meeting with neo-cons.

[moobu2]

81. I dont know if it's the most blatant.

I've seen some pretty disgusting and dishonest posts lately that seem to be intensifying for some reason.

[FarPoint]

97. There is a lot of folks posting negativities.

The final outcome will be a republican president once again....We are our own worst enemy.

[Joe the Revelator]

100. It's Clinton in a nutshell....no bold stands on ANYTHINGnt

[Comrade Grumpy]

101. All the candidates seem to be braving leading from behind on marijuana policy. n/t

Polls now consistently show national majorities in favor of legalization.

It'll be on the ballot in numerous states next year (and Ohio this year!).

The issue isn't going away.

[SoapBox]

106. I'll see you this and raise you a "Bernie is a White Supremist" LIE.

Clean up/call out ALL lies and we can stand together as Democrats.

[SMC22307]

118. Yeah, I'm not sure what will trump that.

Bernie who's Jewish, being told to bow down, and his supporters referred to as white supremacists. At least DU is doing its job: One poster who expressed particularly vile sentiment -- giftedgirl something-or-other -- was placed on time-out. I imagine there will be more. And more howling from a couple of protected groups about how members are persecuted, when said members brought it on themselves. They took their chances, and lost.

[AgingAmerican]

119. Coming from you

This doesn't mean much

[Vattel]

122. Several Sanders supporters called out that OP.

If you would do the same when Sanders is being treated unfairly, I would take your post more seriously.

[George II]

123. Sanders has stated clearly that he won't smear Clinton, so someone has to take up the slack.

[George II]

125. What struck me about that one was the characterization of her as "St. Hillary". If anyone were to..

...refer to Sanders as St. Bernard it would surely be alerted and most likely hidden.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

133. Shouldn't it be "Ste. Hillary"? And ...

... if St. Bernard shows up with a keg of brandy, so much the better!

Either is better than St. Donald

[George II]

135. You mean Donald Duck?

[Cha]

136. Yes, "St Hillary".. they're projecting. We know Hillary's no saint.. the same can't be said

for BS. lol

[okasha]

140. No, I think "I didn't rec that thread"

is the most blatant lie.

The medical marijuana OP is the stupidest.lie, though.