Hillary good for white Feminism, bad for racial Justice

[azmom]

http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2015/04/12/hillary-clinton-good-for-white-feminism/#sthash.12b5RMbT.dpuf

For her part, noted feminist Gloria Steinem said (in 2008) that she supported Clinton over Barack Obama because, “Black men were given the vote a half-century before women of any race were allowed to mark a ballot, and generally have ascended to positions of power, from the military to the boardroom, before any women…”

But what’s missing from the hagiography of Clinton superfans is any recognition or critique of her corporate-themed white feminism and the deleterious consequences this could have for black and brown people in the US and globally.



As a latina, this is right on point about how I feel about Hillary.
I support Bernie with O'Malley being my second choice.

[Thinkingabout]

1. Are you kidding? We saw the treatment of BLM by Bernie in Seattle, he talked over them in NN.

[azmom]

2. The issues are what are important to me.

His campaign has responded to Black Lives Matter by including racial justice on his platform.

[TM99]

5. The treatment?

He talked over them?

Wow, your facts are so far from reality it might as well be delusional fantasy.

It is good to see that Clinton hacks are still pushing lies, distortions and memes about Sanders instead of addressing the very real issues presented in the OP.

[restorefreedom]

25. +1. nt

[lewebley3]

76. Hillary's first job was working for poor black Children: She could have been very rich

[1monster]

82. Uh... Hillary IS very rich.

[jfern]

118. LOL

[SMC22307]

93. "If I hear ONE MORE TIME that Hillary helped poor black children...

I'm going to burn the Internet to the ground."

Can't wait to hear @angryblacklady now!

[lewebley3]

133. Sorry, but its the the truth: Inconvient truth one for you: but the Truth!

The Clintons Admistration drove the minority unemployment down
two single digits. Sanders supporters will not intimate Hillary
supporters no matter what race.


Sanders just doesn't have Hilary proven track record working
with and for all Americans

Go Hilary GO

[SMC22307]

134. All unemployment was down to single digits...

thanks to the revved up economy. How many minorities were incarcerated thanks to the Prison Industrial Complex Clintons?

Under the first Bush, the black prison population grew 46.7 percent. Under Clinton, it grew over 50 percent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/04/29/hillary-clinton-hopes-to-undo-the-mass-incarceration-system-bill-clinton-helped-build/

The victim shtick doesn't work on me -- no one is trying to "intimate" you or any other Hillary supporter.

[lewebley3]

138. The Clinton's didn't put any one jail: People were convicted of crimes!

The reasons people were committing crimes is because
of Regan and GOP policies: War on Drugs: 53,0000 factories
where ship to China while GOP were in power. ( followed later
Bush policy 83,0000 factories closed and a 3Trillion dollar war)

While the Clinton's were in power: their was a great economy:
less crime less incarceration.

[TM99]

114. Yes, she did work for

Marian Wright Edelman at the Children's Defense Fund.

However, right after Bill Clinton signed his horrid welfare reform act of 1996 which Hillary not only supported but claimed some credit for, Edelman said 'President Clinton’s signature on this pernicious bill makes a mockery of his pledge not to hurt children.'

And in 2008, Edelman was asked by Amy Goodman her thoughts on HRC. Her reply? “Hillary Clinton is an old friend, but they are not friends in politics.”

That is some damning praise and rather goes against your propaganda about her here.

[cali]

8. flat out false, but what does that have to do with the points made in the article?

[DanTex]

14. Bernie didn't talk over BLM at NN?

[restorefreedom]

27. he was the invited speaker

another rendering is that THEY spoke over HIM

wow, i hate revisionism

[DanTex]

38. Yes, he was. And he also talked over them.

[restorefreedom]

62. how can the invited speaker

be accused of talking over people who disrupted his appearance and talked over him?

they hit the first tennis ball.

[DanTex]

68. It's not a question of being accused. It's a simple fact. He spoke over them.

[restorefreedom]

84. he was the speaker. they interrupted him

end of story

[Bluenorthwest]

122. Here is Bill Clinton, candidate in 1992 being interrupted by AIDS activists. Compare with Bernie at

Netroots, also contrast and please be very specific.

[AgingAmerican]

63. Weird

nt

[Picking Dem]

83. No he did not.

Please provide video evidence of Bernie talking over BLM protestors at NN.

[tblue]

9. Not true.

You don't have to support him, but please at least be fair. Would you like someone saying you did something you did not do?

[Live and Learn]

20. Where do you come up with this sturff?

Just repeating lies does not make them true.

[Thinkingabout]

41. Here:

http://www.thenation.com/article/bernie-sanders-blew-a-huge-opportunity-at-netroots-nation/

[Live and Learn]

45. Wow, you found one other person that agrees with you in an editorial.

Still doesn't make it true.

[Thinkingabout]

52. Here's more

video

[Live and Learn]

61. So your premise is that he attempted to speak over those that spoke over him when it was

his turn to speak. I see Hillary speaking over people that attempt to disrupt her all the time. All speakers do. Bernie wasn't attempting to speak over them, he was attempting to continue his speech. He graciously stepped aside and let them speak as soon as he realized they weren't the typical run of the mill hecklers.

Are you suggesting that he should turn his podium over to everyone that yells something out during his speech?

Of course not. And you know damn well that he handled it all just fine. You also know you have lost on this meme so why not give it a rest!

[Unknown Beatle]

99. Okay, that was Netroots.

What about this? "Are you kidding? We saw the treatment of BLM by Bernie in Seattle". Where's the evidence about Bernie in Seattle?

[rhett o rick]

23. Not even a decent try. He didn't "treat" them in Seattle. It wasn't his "rally".

He was a guest speaker. The hosts tried to get BLM to speak but they chose to shout. Sanders politely left the stage.

Interesting that Clinton supporter want to use BLM for their own purposes to smear Sen Sanders.

What I don't understand is why did BLM just happen to pick on the most liberal candidate? Why aren't they demanding that Pres Obama do more? He has the power. But he and Holder turned their backs on the problem of police killing unarmed black men that became an epidemic during the Obama presidency. Why do Obama and Holder get a pass?

I support BLM and Sanders who has a better civil rights record than Clinton. Clinton supporters are trying to use BLM to disparage Sanders.

[Zorra]

33. It's on video. Specifically, please explain how Bernie treat BLM in Seattle.

Thank you.

[Vattel]

66. Yes, Bernie was such a meanie. What a joke.

[valerief]

77. I must have watched an alternate reality version of what happened at NN.

[Thinkingabout]

81. See post #52

[Picking Dem]

85. Which shows that Bernie did not shout over them or speak over them

All I see is show of respect for protestors.

You need to really think about what you're saying.....

[pocoloco]

80. Duh.... asshats tried to talk over him!

LOL

[jfern]

117. Hillary partisans just won't move on

[Autumn]

137. No he didn't.

[Cleita]

3. Another Latina here supports Bernie and O'Malley second.

[SonderWoman]

4. What's missing from this article is:

The fact that Hillary has been fighting for women's rights on every continent, not just the white ones.

[AtomicKitten]

43. She voted to freedom-bomb women in Iraq.

Children too.

[SonderWoman]

44. And Bernie voted for 32,000 gun deaths a year.

And for F-35s to drop bombs. And voted to keep Guantanamo opened. And voted yes on funding every war.

[AtomicKitten]

47. She's pro cluster-bombing civilians.

[SonderWoman]

79. Yeah okay. That's like saying she's pro-abortion.

Try some nuance.

[sibelian]

116. .... ? Er WHUT?

How is saying someone's in favour of cluster bombing civilians is like saying someone's pro-abortion?

[seabeyond]

56. sanders voted to freedom-bomb kosovo women. there is a difference?

[jfern]

119. He's not a dove

But he's a lot more anti-war than Hillary.

[seabeyond]

123. no. he is not a dove. so we can stop pretending. nt

[cheapdate]

58. She made a decision about the use of military force.

I think it was the wrong decision. It's one of the main reasons why I didn't vote for her in the 2008 primary, and why I won't be voting for her in the 2016 primary.

[SonderWoman]

89. To kill the people raping and murdering women and children.

[Unknown Beatle]

103. More innocent women and children died as a result

of the bombing and troop killing, tens of thousands, maybe into the couple of hundred thousand, than raping and murdering women and children.

There's no excuse whatsoever to go to war, especially since Iraq wasn't doing anything to warrant such an attack. Hillary voted for such an attack. Let's be real, it was an invasion of a sovereign country that didn't do anything but enrich companies and corporations and left Iraq in tatters.

Iraq is worse off by means of raping and murdering women and children than it was before the war.

You make it seem like Iraq was worse before the war than it actually was. As a matter of fact, Iraqi citizens have said they had it better with Saddam Hussein in power than they do now.

[seabeyond]

112. as happens in any war. as happened with the wars and conflict sanders supported.

[Picking Dem]

87. Untrue

If she was fighting for womens rights in every continent, then she should have not messed with Iraq, Syria and Libya as well as Honduras.

She screwed them.

[SonderWoman]

88. You mean the 3 places where woman are being raped and murdered?

[Picking Dem]

91. Sure, let's add all of Asia to that..

hell, all of the world's women are still getting raped and murdered every day. It's a worldwide problem, but you are assuming she is running for the President of Earth. She isn't, and needs to focus on issues inside of the U.S., not outside of it.

[seabeyond]

6. ha. this is interesting. talk about divide and conquer. make it a battle between POC and women,

for the trickle down white men want to give us. lmFUGGIN'ao. and how fun will this be. i LOVE this stuff. rolling up sleeves.

ok. can not get into it now. i have a lunch to get to. but man, cannot wait to get back to this thread, so we can hear how the poc on du and women on du should be fighting each other for the little bit offered.

fug this.... lol lol

my best cackle,

ah ha.

btw. this just isnt going to fly. AA community and women have been sitting back, flabbergasted, and amazed at the audacity of shutting us up, for just that little bit of trickle down being offered to us.

[cali]

11. so ALL white men are like that?

[seabeyond]

15. so... where do you see ALL?

[azmom]

22. It's about understanding that POC women have

Different priorities than white women.

[seabeyond]

28. true. yes. absolutely. as i said. i will have to read, but i do not have time.

it is a very important subject and some things being more important, deserves more consideration. i do not have the time now. but, yes. it is huge. and no way in hell we are gonna pit women against poc.

not gonna happen.

both women and poc are hip to that. and absolutely black women, and latino women have different concerns and priorities. for 4 decades clinton has traveled the world addressing women of all nations, religions, and races.... she is pretty damn good at it.

[sufrommich]

29. Which Steinam has always understood:

Let it not be said that feminist icon Gloria Steinem is complicit in “white feminism.” No one’s feminism is perfect, of course, but Steinem said something pretty crucial at Black Enterprise’s Women Of Power Summit about the importance of black women to the feminist movement:

I thought they invented the feminist movement. I’ve learned feminism disproportionately from black women. I realize that things being what they are, the white middle-class part of the movement got reported more, but if you look at the numbers and the very first poll of women responding to feminist issues, African American women were twice as likely to support feminism and feminist issues than white women.

Steinem’s often been held up as one of the leading heroes of second wave feminism. And there’s damn good reason for that, and she’s backed that position up and earned it. But as she herself noted, there’s always a reason when any certain person gets held up as a movement’s hero, and in her case her face and body happened to coincide with the white middle class face of the second wave that was pushed forth the most. And therein lies a key to the third wave: Acknowledging that intersectionality has always been crucial to the movement but that women of color, non-cis women, and other categories of non-white non-middle-/upper-class women have historically been pushed to the fringes and left out of the record of their own achievements and struggles.

This isn’t something that requires the validation of white women, but it is beautiful and refreshing to see someone as iconic as Steinem talking about the importance of remembering these things and reminding us that this has been an issue since the very beginnings of the movement — which of course extends far past Steinem’s feminist origins. It remains a problem that women of color are routinely marginalized in the very movement they helped create. And here’s another moment I loved from this interview with Steinem: When asked what she’d say to the women of color who don’t feel that the feminist movement includes them or is about them, she says “I wouldn’t say anything, I’d listen.”


http://www.themarysue.com/gloria-steinem-black-feminism/

[azmom]

39. Nice. Sounds like she understands.

[sufrommich]

7. That was not the argument made by Steinam for why she

Last edited Sun Aug 16, 2015, 01:08 PM - Edit history (1)

backed Clinton,here's her original opinion piece in the NYT:

I’m not advocating a competition for who has it toughest. The caste systems of sex and race are interdependent and can only be uprooted together. That’s why Senators Clinton and Obama have to be careful not to let a healthy debate turn into the kind of hostility that the news media love. Both will need a coalition of outsiders to win a general election. The abolition and suffrage movements progressed when united and were damaged by division; we should remember that.

I’m supporting Senator Clinton because like Senator Obama she has community organizing experience, but she also has more years in the Senate, an unprecedented eight years of on-the-job training in the White House, no masculinity to prove, the potential to tap a huge reservoir of this country’s talent by her example, and now even the courage to break the no-tears rule. I’m not opposing Mr. Obama; if he’s the nominee, I’ll volunteer. Indeed, if you look at votes during their two-year overlap in the Senate, they were the same more than 90 percent of the time. Besides, to clean up the mess left by President Bush, we may need two terms of President Clinton and two of President Obama.

But what worries me is that he is seen as unifying by his race while she is seen as divisive by her sex.

What worries me is that she is accused of “playing the gender card” when citing the old boys’ club, while he is seen as unifying by citing civil rights confrontations.










http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/opinion/08steinem.html




To suggest that she backed Clinton because " “Black men were given the vote a half-century before women " is ridiculous.

[seabeyond]

13. you mean not only do i get to dissect this subject, it was presented falsely, too. that adds another

element. another misrepresentation, for real? kinda like slappin on and hissing at the mother that has a daughter that is dying? i say this ALL in sarcasm, addressing an OP presenting clinton in an ugly fabricated misrepresentation... i clarify for the jury.

[azmom]

26. Thank you for that. I'm not as well acquainted with her work

As I should be, but she is Awesome.

[sufrommich]

30. She is awesome. nt

[azmom]

37. My daughter was accepted to Wellesley and

Mount Holyoke. She is a junior at Mount Holyoke now.

[sufrommich]

42. Wow,congratulations!

To you and your daughter. Mount Holyoke and Wellesley are both wonderful schools,she must have worked really hard to get accepted to 2 such prestigious schools. You must be very proud of her.

[azmom]

48. So very proud. She and her friends

Are amazing young women. Smart, ambitious, kind, generous and politically active.

I pushed for Wellesly because it's a higher rated school, but it looks like she made the right decision. Mount Holyoke women rock.

[MADem]

70. So-YET ANOTHER OP that misrepresents the substance of an issue. Good grief, this is getting absurd!

It's really sad that we have to frigging research every single OP posted here. Why are people doing this? It doesn't look good when posters are found to have completely misstated a view, or what happened in a conversation, or what-have-you.

Ms. Steinem could not have been more clear. Either the linked blog writer misremembered--in which case she should retract her comments--or she has an agenda that moves facts to the background and puts her own inaccurate opinions in place of them.

THANK YOU for finding that editorial and pointing out that the basic premise made in the OP doesn't stand up to scrutiny. To make matters worse, the post from the inaccurate blog writer is from LAST APRIL. It's not even current news. I guess the truth is still putting her shoes on....

It's a shame that this is happening here. These divide-and-conquer attempts are beneath the dignity of this site.

[restorefreedom]

10. leave it to steinem to make everything about sexism

and lose sight of the big picture

all injustices are connected. i don't think its hillarys "feminism" that has deleterious consequences for poc. i think it is her pro business policies and free trade that has a bad effect on economics, which seems to disproportiontely affect poc.

[seabeyond]

17. hush steinem, it is not about you!. really?

i gotta get on the article, but i gotta leave for a bit. hmmmm

[azmom]

21. That's exactly right. As a latina, I can appreciate

Hillary's work on behalf of women. No one is denying she has been great for feminist. But as a latina, I cannot separate my gender from my race. I live my life as a brown woman and my needs are different than white women.

[restorefreedom]

24. and for many of us white people,

it is hard to understand that dual experience because we can't be in the shoes. but one of the good things about bernie is that he seems to get the interconnectedness of injustice and systemic unfairness and the mutlifaceted nature of it. i hope these kinds of issues get more fleshed out as the primary goes along.

[azmom]

32. As do I, all of us are getting screwed by

The establishment candidates and their rich donors. They care not what sex or race we are. They are about money and power. We need to unite under Bernie's candidacy and fight back.

[restorefreedom]

57. i think that is why we are seeing

a revolt on both sides. ok, the one on the right is a little warped because they are supporting a birther who is in the 0.00001%. but at least he is not owned by anyone. and people seem to be looking for a candidate who is not going to have to "give back" to the donors when they get in.

[azmom]

60. And they are hoping both sides get

"Pragmatic" as time goes on, and get with the program.

[restorefreedom]

86. pragmatic in quotes

you nailed it.

lets all play like nice little children, follow the leader....

[seabeyond]

35. and it certianly helps when a white woman listens for four decades, around the world. bottonline

one has to respect that dedication to 51% of the worlds population, just like one has to respect sanders 4 decades discussion on middle class and economic equality.

[restorefreedom]

55. every effort by every candidate helps

but as this primary goes forward, we each have to decide which candidate is likely to do the most good for the people who need the most help.

imo that person is bernie.

doesn't have to take away from the progress others have made.

[seabeyond]

95. i agree totally with your post especially this...

doesn't have to take away from the progress others have made.

that was kinda my point. clinton excels and has focused on areas, as has sanders. both valuable and needed. and can applaud. i think though, that sanders is not the best to help the most. and that exactly was my consideration when i started stepping away from sanders.

and two different positions are ok.

again, ... i am right now waiting for omalley to get some momentum. but unfortunately, i do not think that is going to happen

we do have an awesome crowd though and that works for me.

[restorefreedom]

101. agreed on all

from what i have read, om seems to be strong on criminal justice reform. i want to see all of them in more national events, debates and other.

and of course, after the primaries, the biggest battle to come..convincing people in swing states that r person will want to turn the clock back, while most people want to go forward.

[seabeyond]

102. we can high five here. sigh... that always works for me. nt

[restorefreedom]

104. yup or

[seabeyond]

106. or....

i had a glass with lunch. i am such a light weight. nap time, lol.

[restorefreedom]

108. very nice.

beautiful background.

[lunamagica]

49. As a Latina, I'm very aware and appreciate Hillary's deep history with Latinos

It will be hard for any other candidate to break such a long, deep bond.

Hillary Clinton Has Deep History With Latinos And There’s Not A Lot The GOP Can Do About It

Hillary Clinton applauds United Farm Workers President Arturo Rodriguez during a rally in Salinas, California, on Jan. 22, 2008.

Republicans are keenly aware that they must begin to peel away Latino voters from Democrats, who gave President Obama 71% of their vote in 2012. But there’s a huge problem for those 2016 efforts, rarely discussed and largely forgotten.

Hillary Clinton, the presumptive favorite for the Democratic nomination, beat Obama 2–1 among Latino voters in the 2008 primary. It wasn’t just name recognition, either. The Clintons have a robust network of Latino leaders and activists, and long history with outreach that dates back to 1970s in Texas.

This is not to say Clinton’s path is totally clear — her 2008 campaign was not without stumbles, and she faced difficult questions last year from activists on immigration. If Jeb Bush were the Republican nominee, some argue, he might actually compete for a significant share of Latino support, something activists aren’t totally closed to. But there is no other candidate both as likely to win a party nomination and who will start with the established, enduring Latino support, as Clinton.

“Republicans have a Latino problem,” said Alfonso Aguilar, a former official in the George W. Bush administration and director of the American Principles Project’s Latino Partnership, which promotes conservative values to the Latino community. He described the Republican policies around immigration that put the party stuck between an Obama “amnesty” position and a Steve King “enforcement-only” stance.

“Hillary would be a formidable candidate with Hispanics,” he said.

Even for a candidate who has been on the national stage for decades, Clinton’s history with Latino voters goes back a surprisingly long way.

In 1972, when a young Hillary and Bill Clinton were working the ill-fated George McGovern campaign, she worked closely with well-respected union leader, Franklin Garcia, who took her under his wing as she helped register Latino voters in south Texas and along the Rio Grande Valley.

“Hispanics in South Texas were,” she wrote in her 2003 memoir Living History, “understandably, wary of a blond girl from Chicago who didn’t speak a word of Spanish.” But Garcia “took me places I could never have gone alone and vouched for me to Mexican Americans who worried I might be from the immigration service or some other government agency.” Garcia drove her and Bill across the border to Matamoros, a dive that had only a “decent mariachi band,” she wrote, but where she indulged in barbecued cabrito, or goat.

Garry Mauro, one of her first contacts in Texas, told the San Antonio Express in 2008 that back then she had a “cultural affinity with Hispanics,” asking questions and listening to their concerns, a dynamic that would be on display again, more than three decades later in Nevada, as she tried to woo an influential Latino activist.

Eddie Escobedo was a flashy dresser — suits and hats to match — and hotly in demand by Democratic politicians.

The owner of a radio station and El Mundo newspaper, both of which he used to great effect, the late Escobedo was an important ally for anyone who wanted to get their message out to Latinos in Nevada. That’s why Brian Greenspun, a Clinton ally who runs the Greenspun Media Group (which includes the Las Vegas Sun, Las Vegas Weekly, and Las Vegas Magazine), invited Escobedo along with other minority leaders to his home for dinner to meet with Clinton as she was exploring a 2008 campaign.

“She had a way about her,” says Eddie Escobedo Jr., who was at the dinner. His father died in 2010 and left El Mundo to him

The way my dad explained it, she was somebody you could talk to,” Escobedo Jr. said. “She spoke from the heart and asked about what the Hispanic community was going through and what had to be done. My dad was taken aback by Hillary, by how she was able to communicate and listen and how she wanted to help Hispanics.”

"Escobedo supported Clinton “tooth and nail,” his son says — but of course she did not win. Obama campaign senior advisers repeatedly went to the El Mundo offices to wear down the activist, and finally got him to take a call from Obama. The two eventually had a meeting at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas, where Escobedo presented Obama with a T-shirt and hat with the words “El Jefe” — the boss — on them.

When Escobedo died from cancer in 2010, the Clintons offered their condolences in a letter to the family and Obama called Escobedo Jr.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/adriancarrasquillo/hillary-clinton-has-deep-history-with-latinos-and-theres-not#.puq3DPp9X

[azmom]

50. Yes, she does. But, we are going to give it

A hell of a try.

[lunamagica]

51. We? Who is we?

[azmom]

53. Me and everyone else that

is on board with Bernie. I know that doesn't include you. I read your post about being a dreamer and your support for Hillary. Can I ask where you are from?

[lunamagica]

64. I'd rather not share my personal history here. I'll just say that for personal reasons immigration

reform is my number one issue. Hillary has a comprehensive plan, and I see her talking about it practically in every speech she gives.
I've seen her not only discuss it in front of Hispanic audiences, but she even talks about it in small, all-white venues.

So, I hope with all my heart that she wins.

[azmom]

65. I understand. If she wins the primary, I will

Definitely be on the Hillary team.

[lunamagica]

75. Same here with Bernie

[Sancho]

74. You beat me to this...here in Florida, Hillary is appreciated with immigrants and minorities!

http://correctrecord.org/ and the Clinton Foundation. If anything, there's no hagiography that really captures ALL that Hillary has done over the decades - and she has constantly been on the front lines (we see it on Univision, etc.) or working with African American churches...you can be critical of Hillary for whatever you want, but her hands-on record with minority and latinos is the best of all the candidates of both parties.

-------------------------------

Hillary Clinton has called passage of DREAM Act “long overdue.”

She was one of the two cosponsors of Senator Ted Kennedy’s 2004 bill, the S.O.L.V.E. Act, and during her time in the Senate she continued to cosponsor and vote for comprehensive immigration reform legislation.

Hillary Clinton introduced the Legal Immigrant Children’s Health Improvement Act.

Hillary Clinton developed and introduced legislation to expand job training access to people with limited English language skills.

Hillary Clinton called for passage of legislation so that “All immigrants on the verge of gaining residency status should not be forced to leave this country while they wait for the INS to process their application.”

In 2007, during debate over the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, Hillary Clinton introduced an amendment to reclassify the spouses and minor children of lawful permanent residents as immediate relatives.

Senator Clinton stood with the nation’s governors and mayors in 2003 against budget reductions to the AmeriCorps program.

The Alliance for a Healthier Generation, founded by the American Heart Association and the Clinton Foundation, works to reduce the prevalence of childhood obesity and to empower kids to develop lifelong, healthy habits. The Alliance works with schools, companies, community organizations, healthcare professionals and families to transform the conditions and systems that lead to healthier children. - See more at: https://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work/alliance-healthier-generation#sthash.ROXdcrsH.dpuf

We’re working with our partners – one playground at a time – to transform public, community spaces into inclusive environments that are fully accessible to children and families of all backgrounds and abilities. With conversation prompts in both Spanish and English, we hope to encourage fun, language-rich interactions between parents and children as a regular component of playtime. - See more at: https://www.clintonfoundation.org/blog/2015/07/18/transforming-playgrounds-make-play-time-talk-time#sthash.Wgz3M2ut.dpuf

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/hillary-clinton-attend-clementa-pinckney-funeral-119448.html
Clinton was in Charleston on the day of the shooting, which killed nine African-American churchgoers on June 17, though she left the state earlier in the evening after a pair of campaign stops and a fundraiser in town.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/univision-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-117851.html
Inside the Univision-Clinton network
The ties between the Clintons and the Spanish language television network run deep.

[MisterP]

31. Steinem's reasoning is termed "misery poker": not only does each group end up reducing

their suffering and problems into game pieces, it divides everyone into winners (the most crapped-on group in the country) and losers (who're "doing better&quot : it's a game nobody can win

[restorefreedom]

59. never heard that term before

i am more familiar with the "queen of pain" analysis....

basically, the same

[artislife]

12. Me too

In 2008 PUMAS told me my ethnicity didn't matter. I thought that it was because they didn't have to live it.
The way they kept repeating that Bill was the first Black president, I thought they actually believed it.
Ha!

No to Hillary in the primary and we won't have to worry about her in the GE.

[seabeyond]

18. i never did meet the pumas. i was supporting obama, and really didnt have the time or desire.

they sound like a scary bunch though.

[artislife]

36. I supported Obama enthusiastically

I wanted to understand the vitriol I had seen by some feminists. I consider myself to be a feminist.
So I went looking and stayed until finally one poster who hounded me with the most vile comments just did enough. They had no alerts or juries. They would just delete anything perceived to be anti feminist or misogynist from the site. I got a pummeling for being too soft and not placing gender above all else. The concept intersecting hadn't been realized yet.
Typing on a phone. .Please forgive typos and auto correct.

[seabeyond]

46. are you talking du in 2008? because it shows you just registered Tue Jul 7, 2015, 04:17 PM

" They would just delete anything perceived to be anti feminist or misogynist from the site."

you are saying that in 2008 the feminists had the board and the moderators where their to accommodate at any turn?

wow. the more that i think about your post, .... do i know you? did we get along? i was certainly on obama's side, but there were many times i was forced to stand up with clinton, because of that silly perceived "sexist" bullshit being thrown at her. you know, obama chucklin' with the boys that clinton was baring her claws or the staff speech writer putting up this picture.




it was an interesting position to be in, clinton being called the c word and so many other offensively sexist and misogynist bullshit from media and elsewhere, to stand firmly with obama.

taught me a lot.

[artislife]

67. No, I didn't post here

I found this site at the very end of 2008 election cycle after President Obama was the nominee. I just read maybe a month or so. By then I was done with all the fighting on the sites.

So take your response...because if you had read my words, you would have seen Feminist sites...this is not one of these.

If only your passion and fight wasn't for a candidate that was so center right.

[seabeyond]

100. oh... nothing stats clinton at center right. nothing. and clinton is not my candidate

but thank you on the passion and fight shit. i am all about that.

ok.... well, i did read your words a couple three or four times before posting making sure i was not making assumptions. and still. asking the question. with words of jury hides and deletes back then, i was curious.

nifty you have some feminists sites. if you have any interesting ones, i would love a heads up. true enough, my passion and fight.

thanks artis

[artislife]

107. They're long gone

I went looking there first. .then remembered this one. Read for a week then joined.

[seabeyond]

109. Ahhh. Bummer. And thanks... Nt

[cali]

16. my problem with her is her lack of consistency on issue after issue.

Well, it's more than that, but that's one manifestation

[seabeyond]

19. i have not seen this lack of consistency any more than i bought into the kerry flip floppin'

or the gore lyin' meme from the right.

[cali]

34. voted for the IWR, supported the war and her vote for many years. was strongly

against marriage equality for years. strongly supported ending welfare as we know it. Now says that was a mistake. There's lots more, but really, it's not worth pointing the obvious out to YOU. You'll still insist it's just a republican faux attack. You refuse to deal with reality

[seabeyond]

40. you certainly paint it all in the most extreme. but no. i hold no one to making decisions

two decades ago, standing in the same place. that is not how i have lived life. i would expect no one to walk life in that manner. i can address each and every point you make but YOU.... well, not gonna go there cause i am just tired of that crap.

yes. she supported iraq. and sanders supported his wars.

yes, she held positions on marriage equality two decades ago, that progressed. two fucggin decades. yea.... for progression. snaders sat in the same boat.

ya. reality. good stuff. lets do it from here on out.

again. why would we demand any human being or politician to remain stagnant as the world shifts and changes?

changing the mind issue is the exactly same as the kerry flip flop and the gore lying. kerry didnt flip flop and gore lied a hell of a lot less than bush. and clintons changing posiitons in being in politics for 3 decades.

omalley has progressed and shifted from the 90's as has sanders.

[azmom]

54. Has she shifted her views on the

Death penalty?

[seabeyond]

94. i am not sure. i probably know more about sanders, seeing as i was gonna support him so had to do

the research. i supported obama in 08 so he was the one i did the research on. i have done more research on clinton in the last couple months then all the decade or more of her step into the political arena.

i do not know exactly where she sits on it. but yes, i think she has shifted in the death penalty stance, though maybe not as far as some would like.

but

i will repeat

i do not know.

[artislife]

69. Hillary 2016----Because you don't want things to change

We need things to change now. Climate, money in politics, the gap between the have and havenots...food...

We are on a course to total annihilation and we have politicians effing around.

[cali]

71. more like: bernie- because he supports what's right regardless of whether it's politically

advantageous.

[artislife]

72. YES!!!

We are so late on getting started, too!

[ibegurpard]

73. Oh dear

Someone's tactics are coming back to bite them in the ass. This should be good!

[Catherina]

78. Millions of women, girls around the world whose lives have been destroyed by US bombs

in countries like Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen etc, not to mention the millions of women and girls suffering for US capitalist profit the neoliberals are so in love with, can take comfort in knowing that Hillary the great “feminist” helped craft US policies that make every moment of their lives a wretched hell on earth.

Oh yes ma'am, the women and girls in Egypt, Bahrain, Morocco, Pakistan, Palestine must be dancing for joy too. Honduran women must be rushing to the flower shops in profuse thanks for Hillary's role in the coup that ousted someone who was genuinely trying to make their lives better.

Both Clintons are in bed with the biggest oppressors of all, the large companies/corporations/institutions that run our country with their money and power and successfully oppress us all. Hillary in no way represents any -ism needed to heal and promote equality for mankind, let alone people of color.

The kind of feminism that ignores the oppression-for-profit of women abroad is bs. The kind of feminism that accepts tons in campaign contributions from the same corporations that caused the financial crash that evicted many women and children from their homes is bs. The list goes on and on...

Thanks for posting this article.

Clinton’s campaign is addressed to “everyday Americans” and she is currently on tour to speak in front of Americans from diverse backgrounds, following years of paid lectures and speeches in front of corporations. The crony capitalism that has been destroying the US will likely flourish with Clinton in the White House. America will remain a capitalist superpower that will continue to crush the minorities and the poor. With Clinton America would still be enslaved by corporations and tycoons, who will be funding her election campaign.

...

If we go back to Clinton’s role in promoting women’s rights, isn’t it absurd that the first woman to say that “women’s right are human rights” still cooperates with Saudi Arabia, especially with regards to the latter’s foreign policy of attacking Arab countries with the excuse of “fighting terrorism?” If Clinton believes that women’s rights are a privilege that only white Western women deserve, then once again, this is not real feminism we are dealing with here.

Clinton is a great example of the interlocking of liberal feminism, crony capitalism and the ongoing support for unjust Israeli policies towards the Palestinians. As a remarkable figure in the history of American politics, it is easy to see that Clinton’s presidential bid has nothing to do with feminism. Feminism is not about women claiming power for the sake of power, rather it is a “logical political movement to combat the manifold and simultaneous oppressions that all women [..] face.”

Janan Bsoul is a freelance journalist, born in the village of Reneh in the lower Galilee and living in Tel Aviv. She may be reached at: [e-mail].

http://www.i24news.tv/en/opinion/67805-150415-hillary-clinton-and-feminism

[azmom]

110. Great read, thank you

Black Feminists] are actively committed to struggling against racial, sexual, heterosexual, and class oppression, and see as our particular task the development of integrated analysis and practice based upon the fact that the major systems of oppression are interlocking.

[MisterP]

113. same for race--are the Garifuna not black? are actual Africans fleeing to Lampedusa not black?

even the upper-middle class white Second-Wavers I know aren't that convinced she's womanhood's last great hope

Susan Faludi's assertion that Clinton couldn't start a war because she's a she is long buried

[daredtowork]

90. This is why I don't understand BLM sparing Hillary

She has always been the candidate of Third Way white privilege, which means her "social" turn (both lgbt and women) is about privileged white social categories.

Yet BLM thinks when Hillary separates the social from the economic that she's talking about their criminal justice issues? Have they looked at her positions and track record at all?

[Maedhros]

92. Short answer: no.[n/t]

[Truprogressive85]

96. corporate-themed white feminism

That quote from Gloria Steinem was and still is really troubling

Did she forget to about the literacy test , or poll taxes, or the lynchings , burning , and other terrorist acts that occurred to black men , that even attempted to vote ? and lets not get started with the hell black women had to deal with , (rapes,beatings,)

As for the boardroom - the first black CEO of a fortune 500 company didn't "ascend "until 1999

I agree with OP on this post

[ismnotwasm]

97. Hillary knows she is absolutely unable to take AA votes for granted

Around the time this piece was written, several more from AA feminist blogs were also penned, expressing very legitimate reservations. Here is the difference: Hillary has since, and before, reached out to diverse communities--she doesn't expect them to come to her, she goes to them. She doesn't tell then how they should perceive her, she listens. She plans with people, not for them

This is as it should be. If she does anything less, I believe she will lose the overwhelming support she has now.

She will need to back up words with action, and her work with the Global intuitive foundation as well as The full Participation project to mention a couple, demonstrats she walks her talk. No other candidate has her decades long background in women's issues.

I support Hillary first O'Malley second--although I really, really like O'Malley and hope he gets the recognition he deserves

[seabeyond]

105. she listens. that is her greatest strength and has proven over the years. she listens.

i personally think that comes highly recommended and allows our leader a lot of advantages.

something i like about obama too. listens. ponders. doesnt jump in iwth both feet, before a person even stops talking, .... or an issue.

[TheKentuckian]

132. She listens to Wall Street, the Multinationals, and the MIC, any one else gets an audience

and some highly focus grouped lip service with as much wiggle room as can be mustered.

Pete Peterson, Lloyd Blankfein, Generals Petraeus, Powell, and Clapper, and Karen Zirby she listens to the regular people she politely feigns attention and nods appropriately for pretty good but I don't see much listening that goes further than in one ear and out of the other.

[seabeyond]

135. eye sight differs....

[oasis]

98. Let the truth be told:posts #49 #74 and # 78.

Thanks and a tip of the hat for their enlightening contributions to this thread.

[RandySF]

111. This is a bad sign for the party

when we see posts dividing the party along race and gender.

[Cha]

120. Consider the source.. it's means nothing for our party. We're not dividing anyone.

[Chan790]

115. Hillary is the choice of feminists that reject intersectionality as an intrinsic primary concern.

That's not really surprising but it is disheartening.

"White" feminism is as much of an oppressor for women-of-color as patriarchy is.

[Romulox]

121. Excellent post. I think this is it, exactly. nt

[seabeyond]

124. clinton has stood up for, advocated for, protected women and girls around the world of all color

this is like a republican saying kerry is a war criminal and a coward in the face of battle.

[Chan790]

125. You misunderstand.

I don't think the support of mainstream non-intersectional feminists says anything at-all about Clinton...as much as I am known to be not a fan of Clinton, even I can recognize that she's done a great deal to raise the status of women globally, including women of color and women in global poverty. In terms of intersectional issues of feminism...I think she gets "it" better than most white feminists of her socioeconomic class.

I think supporting Clinton says something about her mainstream non-intersectional feminist supporters.

[seabeyond]

126. supporting Clinton says something about her mainstream non-intersectional feminist supporters.

you make me laugh. damn if you do, the end.

understand, i am not a clinton support and wasnt in '08. does that make me an "ok" white feminist?

feminists are not allowed to support clinton, or you get to define them in your insulting manner?

how does that work?

[seabeyond]

127. how about if a feminist or woman, supports clinton because of credential and not as a woman or

feminists. are they still labeled with the insult?

you really set ALL white women up simply for supporting clinton.

i find this truly disturbing.

[Maedhros]

128. Hillary seems to be more worried about the 1% of women who are frozen out of the CEO's office

and not so much concerned about the 99% of women struggling to make ends meet.

[Zorra]

130. Well said. nt

[ieoeja]

129. How is finding "common ground" on abortion, "good for white Feminism"?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rupert-murdoch-loves-hillary-clinton/

Hillary is a strong believer in triangulation. She will never offer more than lukewarm support for any social issue. The only issues on which has shown strong and consistent support are for Rightwing economics.

[sabrina 1]

131. Using the gender issue, it's election time, so we can expect that. Still waiting to see them DO

something other than USE it during elections.

Watch what they do, not what they say. And as for Steinem, I never 'got' her at all.

[seabeyond]

136. "And as for Steinem, I never 'got' her at all." lmAo, i am so sure, explains lots. nt