President Obama had a “Liar” in his Cabinet..

[busterbrown]

Seems to me, he needs comment at some point...If Hillary is a liar, so is our President?

Might be better if he stays out of this crap, but still a quick humorous jab might be in line..

[MineralMan]

1. Care to provide a little context?

What exactly are you talking about? What lies? Any point of reference at all?

Thanks...

[busterbrown]

16. There was a poll recently released by Quinnapiac stating

that the one word which best describes Hillary Clinton is a “Liar”.. Jesus Christ it was all over the place today..

[Cha]

20. So, "it was all over the place".. some of don't get "all over the place", buster. And, Context is

always welcome.

[Sancho]

23. Do you understand??? Maybe not...

If you had a poll on DU of progressive voters and asked if GW Bush was a "liar" (or any other descriptor) you'd get 90% + saying YES. Now, if you added another group from Free Republic - you'd get some, but most would say NO. How do you report that mix? It depends on if you want to bash Bush (or not).

The total would be about half saying either was a "liar" or not. Sampling and reporting controls polls results - and some are not representative of the population of interest. You can't assume, like they often do on TV, that this poll means everyone thinks Hillary is a liar. You can see that 50%-60% consistently would vote FOR Hillary. The descriptor is coming from a flaw in polling that asked GOP Hillary haters to describe Hillary. You'd get the same thing if you posted on DU a poll asking to describe Bush.

Welcome to Quinnapiac polling. In fact, in all sampling there is something called the "non ignorable non respondent". That's the people who NEVER answer polls, because they are unavailable or refuse to answer. If you could actually get them to respond, it would CHANGE the RESULTS.

One classic case was Geraldine Ferrero who thought, because of BIG CROWDS that she would be a winner. She was on the losing ticket because she thought those crowds represented the actual voters:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/1164602?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
"Eelworms, Bullet Holes, and Geraldine Ferraro: Some Problems with Statistical Adjustment and Some Solutions"

[MineralMan]

25. I didn't see that, I'm afraid. Every post needs to stand on its own,

since there's no way to know what DUers have or haven't seen. I asked because I had no idea what you were referring to.

[awake]

2. you know what they say "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"

[NV Whino]

3. Well, he's had a number of liars in his cabinet

That going to be hard to track down.

[dhill926]

4. well, just lay it out there...

who exactly? Show some proof. How many? Do any other pols ever lie? I got no dog in this hunt yet, but all this shit makes this place suck.

[Skwmom]

5. If I was Obama, I'd keep my distance. Why in the heck would he want to

look like he is supporting the Clintons' financial deals (aka "speech fees" and foundation contributions). I remember one of the Democratic officials (a woman) when asked about this replying that the Clintons would have to answer those questions. Is she really that stupid? She thinks the Clintons aren't going to expect their "supporters" to go to bat for them and put their reputations on the line.

Even ignoring Hillary Clinton's actions as SOS (e.g., the USB Bank deal), why in the heck would a company pay a person hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars to merely give a speech?

[Control-Z]

7. I hadn't heard about million dollar speeches.

Can you provide a link, please?

[busterbrown]

17. Am I alone knowing about thew dumb Quinnipiac poll today?

Good God it was all over the news, fitting 3 candidates with one word.. Clinton’s was “liar”.. I forget what Trump and Bush were..
Of course the rest of the poll had her defeating all opponents handily..Still this Liar shit has to stop..

Clinton today finally addressed the issue stating that maybe she could have handled this story better.. I agree, but all in all this whole email crap is just crap and everyone knows it.. Same as Benghazi.

[Thinkingabout]

27. It was a poll, what posters are trying to say is where is the proof. Opinions are like

assholes, everyone has one. Do you think the RW is ever going to give Democrats a break? Hell no. A poll saying someone is a liar is not proof of a person lying just as a poll is not the results of an election.

[MohRokTah]

6. Load of BS.

[Stellar]

8. -1

Why would Obama jump into this if indeed there were lies told. Republic0ns have been calling her a liar for a while as well as the President. Is that where you get your info from?

[Wellstone ruled]

9. Enough of the carrying water for ABC News okay.

If there are lie,post them so all have a chance to read other wise let us not repeat unproven crap. Not a HRC supporter,but still want the facts. Not something Roger Ailes or Rove and buddy Drudge dream up.

[mcar]

10. What are you talking about?

[busterbrown]

18. Christ! wasn’t anyone listening to the stories concerning the Quinnipiac poll today?

It was all over the news.. Basic bullshit polling asking to describe Clinton, Bush and Trump in one word.. “Liar" came up for Clinton. “Bush” came up for Jeb and who knows the fuck what came up for Trump..

Now I just found out that someone tried to block my thread? WTF I was just pointing out he absurdity of it all.. And I am a huge fan of Hillary..

[BooScout]

22. You're a huge fan?

And you start a thread about Hillary being a "liar" and your favorite group is the BS Group. We thank you for your concern.

[seabeyond]

29. It didn't come across as mocking. Sanders supporters have been using that poll to attack clinton

One juror saw your side that you were mocking. Most of us were concerned your op was an unjustified attack on Clinton like so many others

[TwilightGardener]

11. You think he's going to defend her? Pffft.

You must not have watched how he operates, the last 6 or so years.

[aikoaiko]

12. Well, there are lies, damn lies, and...

...statistics.

[oasis]

13. Maybe you can suggest a "quick humorous jab" since you brought it up.

[Puzzledtraveller]

14. I think ultimately the president will always move to protect his legacy

I would do the same, if it means distancing from Sec. Clinton then that's what they will do. This president is incredibly smart and knows who is of value and who isn't. If Sec. Clinton's stock goes deep in the red then it will be noticeable. My guess is if their is something really bad that Sec. Clinton cannot escape from in this email thing then it will be so long. Could that already be happening? Biden?

[Feeling the Bern]

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[busterbrown]

19. Where was everyone today? In the basement?

Quinnipiac Pole everyone.. Just plain bullshit, which I was trying to point out.. Look it up, (although I already explained it twice).

[JTFrog]

28. All over the news? The major news outlets talked mostly about Biden and Trump.

For instance, CNN's article about the poll does not once mention the word liar.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/27/politics/donald-trump-jeb-bush-poll-quinnipiac/

However, I did see some tabloid types and right wingers talking about it. Maybe we just hang out in different circles.

[TheKentuckian]

21. I wouldn't even walk up that hill much less die on it. His cabinets are pretty awful full of hacks,

creeps, liars, DLC stars, and Republicans.

The only one that I really liked was Solis and she spent her whole tenure in Cheney's undisclosed location.

His economic team and fucking Duncan are dispicable. His security people have been mostly Bushies.

Absurd argument.

[Buns_of_Fire]

24. All concerned will ignore it (except maybe Rump). It's a stupid poll.

It'll blow over by tomorrow morning, when the results of the next stupid poll will be announced. ("If __________ were a tree, what tree would they be?&quot

[SouthernProgressive]

26. The name of this website is misleading. nt.