2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie brings DNC to its feet in BRILLIANT 25 minute speech!
One of Bernie's best speeches he's ever delivered in my opinion-- and it was to the DNC, he kicked ass and took names!! WOW he made his message loud and clear, Enough is enough! They weren't kidding when they said he was going to tear establishment politics to pieces. Chants of Bernie, Bernie broke out several times during the speech.
Link here:
Some highlights:
"We need a political movement once and for all that will end institutional racism in our country once and for all and reform a very, very broken criminal justice system."(17:49)
"If a politician is too cowardly to face the voters, if a politician needs to think that he must suppress the vote in order to win, that politician should get another job!" (ad-libbed) (14:59)
"One of the first orders of business... to rehear and to OVERTURN citizens united..But we have to go even further than overturning Citizens United... We need to move towards public funding of elections!" (13:38)
"When Wall Street collapsed because of their greed and illegal behavior, the American people bailed them out, now it is their turn to help the middle class of this country!" (17:27)
"...And Brothers and sisters, that means DEFEATING the keystone pipeline!" (15:54)
Link to full speech here, although some was ad-libbed: https://berniesanders.com/remarks-at-the-democratic-national-committee/
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)At 3:00 he made it clear why he will be supporting the Iran nuclear deal, for that I salute him!
elzenmahn
(904 posts)...because Bernie was calling out ALL of the third-wayers, especially Debbie Weasleman Schiltz.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)She has to be one of the most dim witted, self serving corporate toadies that has ever been given a leadership position in the now very UN-Democratic DNC. She needs to go, the sooner, the better. http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/remove-debbie-wasserman
peacebird
(14,195 posts)You should post it as an OP!
2banon
(7,321 posts)In full agreement a million times over.
moobu2
(4,822 posts)He said he was just using our party to give his candidacy a legitimacy it wouldn't have had if he had run for his own parties nomination as a 3rd party candidate.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)I like it. I want our party to go back to tking care of the American people, not the multinational corporations and banksters.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)I want our nation to go that way as well. The future just seems better with Bernie.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Me, too.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Or any other Third-Way New Democrat Liebermoron.
trof
(54,256 posts)FDR was called a socialist by the banksters and Wall St.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Get over the fact that our Democratic leadership has had the skids greased so that OUR PARTY platform matches the same corporately run platform that has resulted in getting us to where we are now?
I think real Democrats read, and then pay attention to what formed the kind of Democratic party post civil war era. There was an other Democratic Party prior to that era which was badly in need of seeing who was building this country.
It culminated to the kind of Democratic party that we all LIKE to say we are, but has lost its way. I don't even want to get into what has happened to the Republican party
So many Democratic leaders (local, state, national) are locked into a different master
and for a very long time, it has not BEEN us
ALL OF US.
It can be again, so WHAT'S to get over about those in the Democratic party finally connecting to that message?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)You place undue focus on a triviality.
He embodies the party's founders ideals
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Wrong side of history.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 28, 2015, 06:27 PM - Edit history (2)
i expected sanders to be somewhat conciliatory while using the democratic party to run for pres as a DEM.... but, well, hell.... that just is not sanders way. which again, is gonna be a factor.
especially if pres.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He supported numerous Democrats, campaigning for them, for example, in the past.
He caucuses with Democrats.
Most people could care less whether he signed a sheet of paper saying he was a Democrat and not something else.
He sure sounds like a Democrat. He is clearly on the side of the people.
Vermont does not have the same party registration system that other states have.
He is more Democratic in my book than a lot of the Blue Dog Democrats in Congress.
This is a non-issue.
It's just a wish on the part of Hillary supporters that Bernie's having run as an Independent (not as a Republican like Chafee) in the past might be an issue.
It won't be.
A lot of people like him precisely because he hasn't sold himself to raise money to get the support of the leaders in the Democratic Party.
What kinds of fund-raising targets are the "in" crowd in the Democratic Party encouraged to raise if any? I'd like a discussion on that topic one of these days.
Bernie is a strong candidate and increasing momentum all the time.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)in the democratic primary as an independent campaigning to all, unless he wants people to consider he really is not a democrat.
SOME democrats may not like that. just a reality. being an independent has good points and bad points. this is gonna be one of his hurdles he is gonna have to jump
being conciliatory toward democrats, not insulting them, would be a good step.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)That the party refuses to address.
But if it makes you feel better about it to be insulted by that...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)If anything is insulting, it's your sophomoric attempts to trash the best presidential candidate the DNC has seen since Carter.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)method of losing votes is hardly trashing the man.
i was all over it with blacks. listen sanders, be inclusive sanders. you all threw fits i dared suggest he be inclusive.
now i do it again, to help sanders get more votes. and more fits. hence. my first post. you all just bury your heads in the sand and see how well it works for you.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Will you stop bringing up poc every time you're losing an argument?
Give the race baiting a rest, we're celebrating a great speech by a great man and you're not going to ruin it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)ok.
i do not like being in a thread of celebration. you are right.
so, do not reply to me, and i am done. i wont need to say another word
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Poc do not deserve to be used as human shields in your campaign against Bernie and neither do women or lgbt people.
You appear to be incapable of actually addressing the issues and continuously look for any excuse to attack Bernie and his supporters.
Like I said, give it a rest.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)But, would you also not examine the issues behind the candidacy. They are all of our issues.
Sooner or later, we must talk about the state of our Democratic party
where it started, morphed, morphed again, and now
We ALL have a stake in bringing it back to the leadership that addresses inclusive issues and what it means to be a member of the Democratic party.
That is where the conversation belongs, as seen in the OP.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Seriously, give it a rest for once.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Show your 'support' for Hillary!
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I'm hoping for capitalization breakthroughs next week.
PS: what the hell does "I was all over it with blacks" even mean?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I just know they bring up poc every time they can't back up their claims.
They've been pushing that racism meme for months, it's the default position.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)The question about her meaning was rhetorical. I didn't expect you to be able to plumb those depths for an answer; god knows I couldn't make sense of it.
Have a good weekend.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)And such a disgusting "strategy".
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)after serving your umpteenth time-out.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)kath
(10,565 posts)how many forced time-outs should a poster have (or is a poster allowed to have)before the admins decide that that person is a detriment rather than an asset to the site, and given the boot permanently?
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I don't need to say any more then that.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)that you're so concerned about this, kath?
How many have you had?
Maybe you should take your "question" to ATA. Otherwise it just looks like meta swarming.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)It's clear which candidate the admins are supporting.
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dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)"now i do it again, to help sanders get more votes."
No, that is not why you do it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)When Bernie gets the nomination, will you sit home because he's "not a real Democrat," or will you vote for him, and support him?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)the yard and conversation with everyone i come in contact with.
whatchu mean sittin at home. blacks, latinos, womens, gays lives are at stake. hell no i wont be sitting at home
talk to sanders supporters and ask them the same if clinton wins. see the percentage that will not be voting for her. they will be our new pumas....
here is the thing. i have done my research on the man, i know who he is and what he has to sell. piece of cake.
self interest. it will connect with a lot of the very white, republican area i live in. self interest.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)self interest. it will connect with a lot of the very white, republican area i live in. self interest.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If you would quit doing that I would stop calling you on it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)If you are so sure your candidate is better than Bernie shouldn't you be posting positive things about them?
Or are you all about swift boating Bernie instead of promoting someone else?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Republican/self-interest meant. Yet you say you're calling people out, when that's not at all what you're doing. So you should quit making shit up yourself.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You should try harder.
Really.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)It's all so confusing for you. :
Star Member beam me up scottie (32,006 posts)
155. Now Bernie's selling "self interest" to white people???
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Bucking for another hidden post?
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)by saying she made shit up.
She even asked you to quit attacking her.
Your post:
Star Member beam me up scottie (32,006 posts)
155. Now Bernie's selling "self interest" to white people???
Looks like a confusion scam to me.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Exactly!
I take it as a form of flattery that you copied me.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)accept your retreat and self-reflection.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Now you've got it! The old white men concerned only about money and wealth have their own party! We stand together.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)means less death penalty cases overall. Politicians can have cleaner hands in general in more homogenously populated areas with predictable constituents.
Nice topic shift there, btw!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Or it could be they don't want to execute prisoners of any colour because it's immoral.
Anyone defending the death penalty surely can't forget the innocent people who were wrongfully convicted.
But at least we should all be able to agree that the death penalty is racially biased.
The color of a defendant and victim's skin plays a crucial and unacceptable role in deciding who receives the death penalty in America. People of color have accounted for a disproportionate 43 % of total executions since 1976 and 55 % of those currently awaiting execution. A moratorium of the death penalty is necessary to address the blatant prejudice in our application of the death penalty.
...
While white victims account for approximately one-half of all murder victims, 80% of all Capital cases involve white victims. Furthermore, as of October 2002, 12 people have been executed where the defendant was white and the murder victim black, compared with 178 black defendants executed for murders with white victims.
For many years reports from around the country have found that a pervasive racial prejudice in the application of the death penalty exists.
In January 2003, researchers at the University of Maryland concluded in a study commissioned by the Maryland Governor that defendants are much more likely to be sentenced to death if they have killed a white person. Urgent: Maryland residents can take action to send a free fax to their state legislators about a pending death penalty bill!
In August 2001, the New Jersey Supreme Court released a report which also found that the state's death penalty law is more likely to proceed against defendants who kill white victims.
In April 2001, researchers from the University of North Carolina released a study of all homicide cases in North Carolina between 1993 and 1997. The study found that the odds of getting a death sentence increased three and a half times if the victim was white rather than black.
https://www.aclu.org/race-and-death-penalty
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Thank you beam me up for standing up.
And I also thank those people that were throwing their random attacks. Everytime they throw an attack on this thread it kicks the video up the list for more people to watch.
So thank you all.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're very welcome, and right back atcha! You're no slouch yourself.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Quit using posts to tee off your non sequitur agendas. It might work on this website for awhile, but Jane and Johnny America will pick up they are being scammed by Bernie supporters, which has already been happening on social media.
Advancements in DNA analysis and the shocking atrocities of justice that they have uncovered have had more to do with the death penalty being shunned by states. It hasn't been because of politicians, generally speaking,
But back to what I meant that seems intentionally twisted: it is easier to please
600,000 people in a racially non-diverse state then than it is to please to 30,000,000 (30 million) in a more diverse state. Why would a progressive leave such a hotbed of diversity and culture like New York where he could have represented his so-called progressive values on a grand scale and in real time instead of kicking back in a rural, sparsely populated state. It makes no sense. People will be asking about that.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Seems you're right:
Tuesday Hillary Clinton claimed the 2008 Democratic campaign for president has not been tarred by racism. In this she lies. She knows very well that the campaign has been tarred by racism, as she knows that her candidacy has managed to survive only through its deliberate appeal to racists.
I wish I could say that her acts, her words, surprise me. But they don't. Because I know something about her, and her husband, and race. For in 1992, I worked for the Clinton campaign. And though employed in a minor capacity, word filtered down even to me that Bill Clinton intended to put to death a black man, as a way to "dog-whistle" to white racists that he knew how blacks should really be treated.
And so Bill Clinton put to death a black man, so mentally impaired that, when led to the death chamber, he left behind his pie, believing that, after his execution, he would return to consume it. In putting to death this black man, Clinton committed an act that, some 10 years later, the Republican-dominated US Supreme Court would rule occurred in clear violation of the United States Constitution.
No matter. His death helped Bill Clinton become president. That was all that mattered.
...
For fifty minutes they searched for a vein in Ricky Ray Rector's arm, and then they killed him. He had left his slice of pecan pie on his prison tray, telling his guard that, after his execution, he would come back to eat it, "later."
"Later," in 2002, tardily following the long-ago lead of Justice Marshall, then dead, the United States Supreme Court, voting 6-3, ruled that executing the mentally retarded or disabled constitutes cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/05/22/520138/-Bill-Clinton-Killed-A-Black-Man-To-Become-President#
Like I said, good thing there's a progressive in the race.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)shocking injustices.
It's not about Bill Clinton, and it's really a scam to make it about one politician from 20 years ago when the DNA advancements have been happening most recently in the last few years.
It's a good thing Bernie lives in a non-diverse state where he doesn't have to deal with real time issues like that of a large state such as New York that will naturally have more crime because of sheer population size. How safe for Bernie.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I don't care if Ricky was guilty, he put to death a child in a man's body.
Like I said, good thing I have a choice and I choose the progressive.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)As a young lawyer, Clinton helped save a mentally handicapped black man from the electric chair. This is not a fact she has promoted in her years as a tough-on-crime U.S. senator or amid her quest to become the Democratic presidential candidate in 2016.
Her role lies buried in an appeal to save Henry Giles, a convicted murderer, back in 1976, when Clinton headed the legal aid clinic at the University of Arkansas. A brief filed by the Cummins Prison Project, a law school effort to defend prisoners at one of Arkansass most notorious prisons, played an important role in winning leniency for Giles because of his mental impairment, court documents show
But times are changing, and politicians from both parties are calling for a reexamination of a criminal justice system rife with racial disparities, including the question of which inmates live and die. With Baltimore rioting and nationwide protests around a police shooting in Ferguson, Mo., presidential candidates are likely to be pulled into the debate. The Supreme Court on Wednesday hears yet another challenge to the death penaltys constitutionality, this one centered on a drug used by some states in lethal injections.
Interviews released this week for a book project by New York Universitys Brennan Center for Justice, in which Clinton and other presidential contenders share their views on criminal justice solutions, show just how different the politics of these issues are today. Marking a clear political shift on crime and punishment in America, these sentiments are a far cry from politicians racing to be the most punitive in the 1980s and 1990s, the introduction reads.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/hillary-clintons-forgotten-death-penalty-shift-117441#ixzz3kBc1f9py
When you take everything out of context and then even twist that around to fit your non sequitur agendas, Johnny and Jane America will know they are being scammed by Bernie supporters, which has already been happening on social media.
It's easy to be a progressive in a quiet, tranquil little state like Vermont. People will wonder why he left New York to live in a rural setting when he could have been handling real time issues in the midst of movers and shakers like Hillary chose to do. She didn't shy away from the issues to give nice speeches in a small town.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That's so...popular among some constituents I guess.
Like Johnny and Jane America.
But bmus still chooses the progressive.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)I should have known that being polite is a waste of time.
And "progressives" don't silence AA's in the Democratic party as is done here, so the "progressive" label doesn't fit, sorry. :
:bye:
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Well done.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Did you read the article. I remember the weeks leading up to the execution. Bill pretended to agonize over the decision. But, he had to prove how tough he was. Later came his Sister Soljuh moment at the NAACP convention. Then his triangulating welfare "reform". And tough on crime bill.
Yeah, real progressives and liberals, that bunch.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)making a BIG deal of every single gesture he had such as smiling to greet someone and then saying he was laughing at someone's death. This is just conjecture and bullshit. People saw through that kind of reporting scam.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Vermonts political landscape began to change in the 1960s and 1970s. City dwellers from nearby states like Massachusetts and New York began fleeing struggling metropolises like Boston and New York City. Heading north, these migrants had a choice of where to settle, and some self-sorting took place.
More conservatives tended to choose New Hampshire, attracted to its low taxes and Live Free or Die ethos. Vermont, where cows outnumbered people before 1963, tended to attract young, left-leaning and outdoors-loving professionals, both Mr. Nelson and Mr. Johnson said.
. . . .
Vermonts population had been stagnant for decades, but with the influx of new Vermonters the state began to grow. When the migration began, Vermonts population was below 400,000, small enough so that an influx of people could really affect the states politics. More than 625,000 people live in Vermont today, and residents born elsewhere are part of the states fabric. Vermonts current governor, Peter Shumlin, is the first native governor in almost 40 years.
. . . .
Vermont today is among the greenest states, and green industries are a major part of the states economy.
More
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/01/new-vermont-is-liberal-but-old-vermont-is-still-there/
Sanders settled in Vermont in 1968, and ran unsuccessfully for Governor and U.S. Senator in the early to mid-1970s as a member of the Liberty Union Party. As an independent, Sanders was elected mayor of Burlington, Vermont's most populous city, in 1981. He was reelected to three more two-year mayoral terms before being elected to represent Vermont's at-large congressional district in the United States House of Representatives in 1990. He served as a congressman for 16 years before being elected to succeed the retiring Republican-turned-independent Jim Jeffords in the U.S. Senate in 2006. In 2012, he was reelected by a large margin, capturing almost 71% of the popular vote.
Since his election to the Senate, Sanders has emerged as a leading progressive voice on issues such as income inequality,[2] universal healthcare, parental leave, climate change,[11] LGBT rights, and campaign finance reform.[12] He rose to national prominence on the heels of his 2010 filibuster[13][14] of the proposed extension of the Bush-era tax rates for the wealthy. Sanders is also outspoken on civil rights and civil liberties, and has been particularly critical of mass surveillance policies such as the USA PATRIOT Act,[15] as well as racial discrimination in the criminal justice system. He has long been critical of U.S. foreign policy, and was an early and outspoken opponent of the Iraq War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders
Bernie went to Vermont and so did many other liberals from cities like New York.
It's probably a nice place to live. Certainly quieter and less frantic than New York. Maybe housing prices were in the 1960s more reasonable in Vermont too. Certainly less crime and pollution in Vermont than in New York.
I hope I helped to answer your question. It's a good question.
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Well that settles it!
Wonder no more, people.
R B Garr says Bernie's just a pretend progressive because he fell in love with Vermont and moved there.
WHY WOULD A TRUE PROGRESSIVE DO THAT????????
It's obvious Hillary's the Real Thing because she relished the idea of moving to New York.
Because it's so big and diverse.
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)The twisting in the wind is obvious. To bad it's OK to insult white liberals on this site.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's only a bad thing if you're a white liberal who supports Bernie.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)they actually are. You don't move away from them. Duh.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Seriously. You come across as haplessly naive.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)I've never seen anything posted in context, so I'll pass. lol, thanks though.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So there are no progressive issues in Vermont?
Duh indeed.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)That's a tough one, isn't it...
California vs. Rhode Island.
hey, this is fun. and not al all confusing like you said. :
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)To a mansion in a rich suburb so she work alongside the struggling minorities in her community, amirite?
Do go on.
This is fascinating.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)It's not even entertaining. If there was no difference between Vermont and New York, Bernie wouldn't have left New York 40 years ago to live a hippy life in Vermont. Obviously he knew the difference, so focus on that.
Have a great day!
:bye:
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Someone's scam is getting old all right.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)It's in his "resume", lol.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Just the post before this. Let Bernie tell you all about it. Have a great time!
:bye:
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)So explain it to me.
As a native Vermonter I always love hearing about my state from flatlanders.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Tells you he has neither been to NYC or Vermont.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)My heart is in the Midwest where I was born. When I go back, I cry when I leave.
Have you ever lived in the country? It's so beautiful. It's so alive. It's so green (in the Midwest and some other rural areas).
I love seeing the fields, the livestock, smelling the air, watching the birds, once in a while even an eagle.
I really don't like city life. That has nothing to do with liking or disliking people. Even if you live on a farm in the Midwest, you have a community and deal with people.
I love the diversity in Los Angeles, but the quiet and peace of Wyoming would be great too.
One problem with living in big cities is that you really have to make a pretty good salary to be able to afford a good place to live.
Bernie has said that his family didn't have a very nice place to live and that his mother always wanted to move to something better but never could. If you live in the big city, you may not have a back yard, a garden, a place for your children to play at home. If you live in Vermont, it probably isn't so expensive and difficult to rent or buy a comfortable place to live and raise a family.
There are a lot of advantages to living in rural America. I just love the smell of a cornfield in late July or August on a summer evening. There is nothing like it. Makes me homesick to think of it.
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JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)He was the mayor of a city (not a rural village) when he lived there.
Bill Clinton was from Arkansas. Bill and Hillary moved to New York after living in the White house. And do they live in the city? Or in the quite suburbs? I don't know the state well enough to know, but I thought they didn't actually live in the central city area.
Sorry, but for me this is an irrelevant issue.
I've lived a lot of places including several countries. I once lived in a village with seven houses, London, Paris, Los Angeles, . . . . I don't see that living in a big city is better than living in a village.
Obviously, since Bernie has been in Congress close to a quarter of a century, he has spent a lot of his time in the big city of Washington, D.C.
Maybe that qualifies him as enough of a city dweller to understand the urban perspective. I suspect it does.
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JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)will be able to handle it after he is president.
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JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Bernie is smarter than the rest of them. He understands the issues and the voters better than the rest of them. He has voted and spoken out against the current and does not take bribes. If you are the one person who is not corrupt and who is right on the issues and if you are humble and ride on the same planes as other people and eat with your staff, you may not fit in socially with the conceited, corrupt, in-crowd. That's why he does not have the endorsements.
He has shown judgment that the others just don't have. He has the ability to know right from wrong, wise from stupid. Others don't.
Just look at the history of his stances on the issues. He follows the crowd when the crowd is going in the best direction for America. He votes his own way when the crowd is making a big mistake.
He is the best candidate.
That's why he is climbing in the polls.
Thanks.
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JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)and spoke half-truths.
Now, he is speaking out. The American people are listening. And what they are hearing is what they feel in their hearts.
History is a story unfolding as we breathe and move. Bernie's time in history is meeting ours.
I can understand the envy of those you describe in your post. People who did not have the courage to tell the truth twenty years ago, who could not then and do not now stand up against all the lies the right wing has persuaded Americans to believe are feeling unappreciated, confused and disappointed. Maybe even bitter.
They missed their moment. They could have told the truth back then. They could have questioned those who were selling the Iraq War before it happened. They could have stood against Wall Street greed and trade that was swallowing American's jobs. They could have funded education and audited the Fed and the military budget.
If they were just preparing a way and sacrificing their integrity to tell their half-truths, to skirt the issues, to sign bills like the repeal of Glass-Steagall, the "reform" of welfare, the sentencing acts, the facilitation of the privatization of prisons, the sale of war materials to local police forces, the War in Iraq, NAFTA, free trade with China, the NSA's invasion of our privacy and on and on, then they made huge mistakes.
What they were preparing was the way for Citizens United, for students saddled with the heavy burden of debt at the time that they should be able to start families, buy homes and furnish households, of banks that cheat and steal and pay the penalties with other people's money, of outsourced and exported jobs, of our markets inundated with cheap goods made by near slave labor while our children cannot find work . . . . I could go on. Detail after detail. Mistake after mistake. And all because of the corruption of campaign financing and the revolving door between government and wealthy corporations.
Lie after lie. Misleading promise after misleading promise. And now those who told the lies and made the misleading promises want us to think that they did it all in order to prepare the way foe someone who was intentionally and coyly hiding himself in Vermont.
That doggie won't bark. It's such an obvious fantasy, so clearly made up after the fact that no one is going to believe it.
Bernie has been in Congress since 1992. He voted his conscience over and over and again and again even when it was unpopular to do so. He was quietly and repeatedly re-elected by the people who know him and knew him the best -- the people of Vermont. He was not in the national headlines because the media and the top dogs in the Democratic Party ignored him.
Their mistake, not his.
Bernie's time has come. Whether he wins or not -- and judging from the enthusiasm of the crowds he draws and the determination of the volunteers he attracts, I think there is as good a chance that he will as there is that anyone else will, he is lifting the veils from a lot of eyes. He is putting the lies where they belong -- in the trash can of history.
Bernie speaks of a political revolution.
When we look at revolutions of the past, and the violent ones are the best known but the non-violent ones are more numerous, the conditions that forced the change we call revolutions existed well before the first tremors of that change were noticed or measured.
In my view, social change, economic change, the spread of new ideas. not crazy people or leaders, bring on the kind of abrupt change we call revolution.
A new invention -- electricity, the cannon, the iron horse, the airplane, television for example -- so changes society that political change must follow.
Computers, the internet, the automation of the workplace, all of that massive change that has occurred in the past 30 years links us, weaves us together in ways that we never thought possible. They have changed the social reality in which we live. And Bernie's ideas respond to and fit with this new reality.
Individuals, leaders, revolutionaries we call them, are credited with spawning the drastic changes that they come to represent. But really that is just the way that we, as we usually do, spin myths around the changes in our lives in in the lives of our ancestors. It is easier to for that part of us that is primitive and ill informed to credit bears or eagles with miraculous powers than to analyze and figure out nature and science.
The internet has changed everything. We can find out opinions, facts, learn history, study science. It's all accessible to us now. We just have to ask a question and we get a variety of answers to choose from. That changed reality calls for a changed social organization and a changed politics. And here is Bernie who represents the very democratic change that works in this new reality.
I don't think that voters will accept the usual excuses that the apologists for the corporate bosses give once Bernie has had his say. The bosses don't know as much more about the world than we can find out as they used to. We are headed toward more democracy, not less.
Today, a Jeb Bush cannot say that he will take care of women when we can press a few buttons on our computers and study his history, the ideas he sponsored, the budgets he signed, the vetoes he cast. Politicians cannot hide their pasts from us any more.
It's Bernie's time.
Feel the Bern because that is what history is feeling.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)While Asheville is a city, it's certainly not a New York or a Los Angeles. In fact, it's a rather smallish berg surrounded by countryside.
I guess the Obamas didn't understand that moving to the country wouldn't "resonate" with progressives.
That really is foolish.
BTW, I live in Knoxville, Asheville's sister city. I look forward to running into the Obamas in the Smokies.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Obama came from Chicago where he worked as a community organizer in a big city.
Yes, there are small cities everywhere. And people move, Yes, indeed,
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Unlike moving to an 11 million dollar home in Westchester.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)he moved there 40 years ago. Sorry you're having trouble.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)But are failing epically.
Tell me more.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)I've seen this confusion scam run before. Hilarious stuff!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're right, that is Hillaryous.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)I don't care who you choose, so that wasn't the "subject"
You're not very good at this. :bye:
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Someone's not very good at this at all.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)Again, I'm flattered that you are copying me in your responses and that you have this time to devote to me. How sweet!
:bye:
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)I have family in New York city and am from Vermont, I would love to hear your prospective as a flatlander.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)*cough carpetbagger *cough cough
She is the precise definition.
"a political candidate who runs for office in a place where he or she has lived only for a short time"
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)He moved from New York to Vermont. None of which was the point, and you are actually making my point more for me, so thanks.
mariawr
(348 posts)And it will resonate.....like it is doing right now.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)evaluated by the GOP. You enjoy yourself!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That "question" has been asked and answered but some folks still love to claim Bernie moved away from poc instead of to a state he fell in love with.
MoveIt
(399 posts)that's not a personal attack, its "observation"
eridani
(51,907 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)They'll just keep trying to bait you into losing your temper until you get a hidden post.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)
nor do you understand what Bernie Sanders stands for. Maybe you didn't see the OP's video? Is your audio not functioning?
What he is talking about (which escaped your ears and eyes) connects with everyone of us.
Maybe you should talk to more people outside the white republican area you live in.
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)Who did he insult? (Besides Debbie and her minions, of course).
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 28, 2015, 08:53 PM - Edit history (1)
The ones who are crooked? The ones who are corrupt? The ones that cater to the corporations?
Do tell.
artislife
(9,497 posts)!!!
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)Beartracks
(12,816 posts)... even long after he's jumped it.
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seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to make it work for him.
there are upsides and downsides to decisions we make
is this untrue? a bad thing? reality?
Autumn
(45,106 posts)it doesn't mean they are a Democrat.
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)Comes to mind
Autumn
(45,106 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)to mention Lieberman but we had quite a ruckus in CT in the party over that one and it's too painful.
Peace.
Nay
(12,051 posts)an independent and siphon votes from Hilary in the general election. They expected him to be just one of the losers in the Dem primary. They never in a million years expected him to catch fire; after all, Hilary had all the money, name recognition, endorsements, etc. They let him run as a way to neutralize him, and it has backfired. This is not to say Hilary can't beat him. But he's a thousand times stronger than they ever expected him to be.
In his philosophy and approach, he's more Democratic than the democrats. The regular party hacks are so used to being sorta third way/semi-conservative, etc., that they have had no sense of what a real democrat sounds or looks like. But a lot of us out here want a REAL democrat.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)They really were attempting to placate him not realizing his message is just what a lot of Democrats really, really want to hear.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)The he isn't a Democrat meme is running quite thin since Bernie has supported Democratic ideals stronger than any other Democratic candidate ever has.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)That we are being told that the only definition of a Democrat is the D behind their name...and that standing for traditional democratic principles and ideas makes no difference at all.
That is cultish behavior IMO and I think it makes us more like the GOP than I care to think about.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)party affiliation to vote. Being loyal to "The Party" confounds me.
If you vote Democratic and you support the working and middle classes, women, PoC, LGBT and equality, then you're a Democrat.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I'd be a Republican, (Not that that is likely.) It is not the party. It is the issues.
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)Not that Obama choosing Biden is that much better, but Lieberman? A Dino to his roots.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)kacekwl
(7,017 posts)If he ran as other than a democratic your "winning" democrat party would lose big to the crazy party , again.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)than ANY Third Way DLCER. He's what the Democratic Party use to be until the rotten DLC destroyed it.
He has also ALWAYS, ALWAYS caucused with the Democrats in Congress.
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)Of course the "he's not a Democrat" crowd conveniently forgets that
eridani
(51,907 posts)I'll donate to the higher-ups again when they go for Dean's 50 state strategy.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)He's worth an infinity of DINO Turd Way types.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)When he is nominated the Party candidate for President, or will you still go on promoting Clinton?
fbc
(1,668 posts)And he is what democrats will be.
Sorry DINOs, we're taking over:
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Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Go Bernie!
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)But is a corporatist at heart using the party to push her pro-corporate, neoliberal, warmongering agenda.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)And most favorable nation status for china.
Clearly I was wrong to trust Bill Clinton.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in the middle of the schoolyard by both Clinton and Obama.
No more.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)MuseRider
(34,111 posts)explanation of what happened I have ever seen.
And fellow "democrats" on this website have money riding on the fact that we will be too stupid to see it happening again.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)There is no shame being conned by him back then.
But today, everybody should know better.
Bill was so good that he could reach in your pocket, steal your wallet, you would KNOW it,
and you would Thank him. (and we did!)
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)He could sell snow to the Eskimos, then go back next year and sell them the goddam freezers to keep it in. That is the mark of a truly superb con man, which he was and is.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Act, and a bunch of other blunders.
Bill Clinton -- one Clinton was enough for me. Never again.
And I walked my precinct with my children to get him elected. No way. Not for another Clinton.
NAFTA has hurt not just us but have you seen the mess in Mexico. We don't hear about it because it is just shockingly shameful. It's frightening what is going on there.
Thank you to NAFTA.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)ozone_man
(4,825 posts)And me too!
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)the DLC has always been owned and beholden to corporate right wing interests. That was their goal; to destroy the party from the inside out. We can't allow them to succeed!
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)You would be crying that he will take votes from the Democrats (like Nader did). As someone said upthread, his ideas are more traditionally Democratic than the DLCers. Ideas matter more than labels.
still_one
(92,217 posts)republicans that kind of victory
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)If he had formed a third party or joined one, which he promised not to do, who do think he'd have taken the most votes away from? Hint: It wouldn't be the GOP.
mak3cats
(1,573 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,181 posts)So they see American Independent Party on the voter registration form. Alphabetically, its the first choice listed, and, as California Voter Foundation President Kim Alexander told me, its the only place the word independent appears on the form.
So voters may think, Yeah, independent, thats me, and check the AIP box.
More than one public figure has done it. In 2008, when L.A. City Council member Bernard C. Parks, the African American former police chief, ran for county supervisor, his opponent, Mark Ridley-Thomas, pointed out that Parks had once belonged to the AIP. Parks said he had just been trying to register as an independent.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-voter-registration-california-american-independent-party-20140403-story.html
When given the option, I've always chosen "NPA" (No Party Affiliation), or whatever their classification is. I don't want any politician to think they're entitled to my vote just because I show up on the "D" side of the ledger.
Yes, I admit it. I'm one of those horrid "Left-Leaning Independents" who refuse to show the proper subservience to THE PARTY or have a "D" tattooed on my butt (or wherever such things get tattooed these days).
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)this country is so messed up.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)a philosophy. They are like the Republicans who can't tell the difference between the flag and actual patriotism.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)It is so much easier to blindly follow all or any Democrats than actually be discerning. These are the same people that buy into corporate advertisements and propaganda.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)to anyone with ten brain synapses to rub together. But HRH is so "beyond" that silly shit about looking out for working people and distrusting banksters and the MIC.
ancianita
(36,066 posts)dpatbrown
(368 posts)And to be compared to FDR is well deserved, and a compliment.
rurallib
(62,423 posts)yet most christians take him as their original leader
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)And Buddha wasn't a Buddhists.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)draa
(975 posts)At least people have moved on from the drivel they usually spew about him.
I would also argue he's more of a Democrat than 90% of the corporate protectors in congress who claim the Democrat label right now. He's what a Democrat should be.
panader0
(25,816 posts)I was going to post that sentiment, but reading through the replies, I saw that you did it for me.
Welcome to DU.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Simple as that.
But it's too bad that it seems like you're hung up on labels.
If you don't like a candidate, fine. But it seems silly to be hung up on what letter is after his name.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The truth is that Bernie is a Democrat in reality and independent on paper, whereas Hillary is a Democrat on paper, but most definitely not independent in real life.
She owes her allegiance to the people who paid for access.
I just can't get past that.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Money is free speech. Corporations are people. Profits trump people.
The Clintons left the White House penniless and now are worth more than $200 million. I don't think that it is Bernie who is "using" the Party to gain office. I think it is others using the Party to get wealthy and powerful.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Bernie is the only candidate that has an unwavering record of supporting the very principles that are the bedrock of the Democratic Party. It is the Third Way, Neoliberal Democrats who should go run under the banner of a third party.
Bernie has always caucused with the Democrats,.
Do we support the person that shares our bedrock values or do we support people who raise their fingers to check which way the wind is blowing, people who support corporation who put obscene profits before people, people who have narrowed the vision of the Democratic party to an issue here and an issue there and then do not even hold to those promises when they get elected (I am talking about you, GMO, TPP, drone sending, single payer will be on the table, etc., etc., etc. hopey, changey Obama.)
I wear my Bernie 2016 button in public and when in conversation a person notes his party affiliation, I ask them where they stand on TPP, one money in politics, on each of Bernie's major position. When they agree with Bernie's positions, I point out that then they, too, must be independents because too many politicians who call themselves Democrats (Third Way Democrats, Moderate Democrats, Democrats who are economically conservative but socially liberal, etc.) have deserted the principles that underlie the Democratic Party.
This is a revolution to reclaim our Party and its principles.
Bernie is an FDR Democrat not some diluted form, pandering for corporate money and some ephemeral independent voter who is a moderate.
Are you going to join the revolution or are you going to support the shell of a labels?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)A thousand recs if I could.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)Surely we dont believe the party is more important than ACTUAL change.
I mean the kind of change that could be beyond our wildest imagination at this point in time.
I love much of what Obama accomplished and would love much of what Hillary would accomplish if President.
But Bernie represents change when it comes to Wall Street having way way way too much influence in our system.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)caucus within the US Congress, the Progressive Caucus. He has done a great deal of work for and with this Party for his entire Congressional career. He's been in Congress since 1992, when Chafee, Webb and Liz Warren were all freaking Republicans. Republicans.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)ozone_man
(4,825 posts)Yes, when HRC was a Goldwater girl, Bernie was marching with MLK.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)I don't care if you call him a Sanderscrat.
He does not affiliate himself with the democratic party because we have too many issues he disagrees with. And guess what? Many registered progressive democrats disagree with those issues as well. He represents progressive dems. Not third wayers and moderates, who have all moved so far right they really aren't dems any more any way. so yeah, go ahead an bypass the one man who is against all that is wrong in this country, and vote for your republican lite candidate. See how much good that does for the country.
I am a registered democrat and vote democrat, because I am fighting against anything republican. But...the dem party has been leaving me for a long time and I'm starting to think if there was a new party called Democratic Socialist party, I'd be happy to switch (if I thought it had a chance of competing with the two major parties). It's where the progressive dems are...they are not blue dogs...they are not in love with capitalism. They don't support the oligarchy.
Your excuse to not support him is just that. An excuse to not have to give up your vote for Hillary, who you always knew you were going to support anyway. Even if Bernie joined the democratic party, you'd find an excuse.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)juvenile, transparent, and beyond irritating.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)the Clinton's would've been moderate Republicans...
I don't think Hillary would do very well if she ran as a Republican. Do you?
Maybe Bernie will shift the Democratic party back to the FDR left where it belongs and the Wasserman Schultz's, the Rahm Emanuel's and Hillary Rodham Clinton's of the world can start their own party...
Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)For the actual Republicans to migrate back to, and away from ours.
The so called Centrists are really just what we used to call Republicans anyway (as you pointed out) and could go back to their natural home, what would be left in the Democratic party would be what used to be known as Democrats but now referred to as "Fringe left" (Ironically in a country that has no true left party since the cold war persecuted them out of existence) then us Democrats could have our party back.
Just a dream of mine, to be honest, however, if the Birchers do split off and form their own little fascist party, I would like the left back again to balance against them, the true far left, the old American reds of the 20's and 30's. a Socialist party (Not to be confused with Democratic Socialism as that is not the same, it preserves Capitalism while incorporating Socialism in just some key areas that Government really should take the profit motive out of anyway). They had a positive influence on the middle that was the Democratic party of FDR and he even adopted many of their best ideas and incorporated them into the Democratic system during the New Deal era.
The fascists have been left alone to influence the center since the cold war eliminated the left, Perhaps thinkers like Richard Wolff could inspire a true left Socialist party to counter them.
Sorry for the slightly off topic ramble, it's just a pet peeve of mine that our party has been infused with moderate Republicans that have taken over the leadership, mostly because the fascist bircher types took over their party and left them dispossessed.
Being a two party system by design, the Fascists and Socialist would likely be rarely elected. The worst thing this country ever did was destroy the left while the Fascists remained intact to infiltrate and take over the Rs which were once a sane party with ideas very similar if not exactly the same as the Third Way, These third Way Republicans could be allies across the aisle with true Democrats (falsely labeled fringe leftists) on some social issues of agreement while giving the Third way their proper home on the center right While we get back ours on the center left (which Bernie Sanders and FDR actually are, merely center left, but a good fit for our country).
Mixed economies such as seen in Scandinavia work for the overall population very well, as we began to learn for ourselves with the New Deal and Great Society policies, we need that again, and if we regain a true left again in this country, perhaps we could improve on it some more after those policies are restored with some more suggestions from their camp as when FDR borrowed some of their Ideas.
I know a few actual Socialists and Communists that post here and I like them and many of their Ideas, but I disagree with them in that I think a mixed economy would work better than an end to Capitalism at least until our Society and the overall globe evolves more, but I do agree with them that it is nearly impossible to keep capitalism in check before it destroys everything which it always will if left unchecked, it must be chained well with things like strict regulation and progressive taxation if one would contain the beast, but one must never relax the leash or the beast will break free and break everything, something that is happening right now leaving us in a very precarious position.
Very ill today and wanted to get some thoughts out and your post was along the lines of those thoughts, thank you for your patience as I know I am not at 100% today and my thoughts are not as well ordered or expressed as they should be.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)Debating issues from a conservative and liberal viewpoint was positive and sometimes even enlightening... What we're seeing now are essentially lobbyists trying to create the illusion that they represent their constituents by lying and fear mongering. But there really isn't much debate on real issue..
I like you idea, what's left of the Republicans should start their own fascist party, the third way dems could take over the GOP and the Democrats could become the old FDR populist party...
Get well Dragonfli!
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)He is as much a dem as any dem can claim to be but prefers to be his own man waiting for the rest of the dems to catch up to what dems 'claim' to be about.
bjobotts
(9,141 posts)R B Garr
(16,954 posts)a legitimate candidate, so he wants the little people to pay his way and be thrilled about it.
Note that half the responses you're getting insist he's a Democrat, and the other half say no, he's an Independent. His own fans can't even figure out what he is -- and they hate the DNC -- unless he's there getting applause. Then it's all okay.
But you're right, he's an opportunist. He could have run for President as a socialist/independent years ago and persuaded people how awesome it is, or he could have declared himself a Democrat, but he did neither.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Politician should be.
Which is why so many people are returning to the Dem Party, having left it because it no longer represented them.
A letter doesn't make a Democrat. Issues, integrity, honesty, working for the PEOPLE, for Labor, the elderly, the poor, children, minorities and refusing to go along with extremist Republicans on their extremist policies no matter how unpopular it may have been at the time. Always willing to stand up and name names, to take on the likes of Greenspan and talk to him the way ALL Dems should have done a long time ago.
THIS is what a Democrat is. But there are so few thanks to the money that is buying our politicians. Bernie is not for sale, nor should ANY Democrat be.
pocoloco
(3,180 posts)He ain't for sure!!
He is what Democrats ought to be!!
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)mopinko
(70,120 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)Here's 3 BIG ones;
1- if he ran Independent he'd siphon off a whole bunch of progressive and independent voters who normally vote Democratic. This would virtually assure a Clown Car Coronation.
2- Hillary ( and about 75%) of the D's have moved so far to the right, into Wall Street's pocket, that they stand for very little of what the Democratic Party built it's foundation on.
3-Hillary could well lose to a GOP candidate. Her unfavorables are sky high. She's shown precious few retail political skills ala Bubba and Barack. She has a TON of baggage after 30 years of very public life. When the Kochs start airing the CBS report of HRC lying about Bosnian Sniper Fire in Tuzla Independent, and a whole lot of Democratic voters will be turned off in a BIG way. Have you seen that footage? Devastating in an election.
Mr. Sanders is the only one standing between the GOP and the White House. You should be grateful he's doing so well.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)badly wired as the nutcase tea partiers.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)A long while.
underpants
(182,826 posts)appalachiablue
(41,144 posts)The corporate graving train is ending.
in_cog_ni_to
(41,600 posts)He BERNED the house down! Another great speech and delivered to the Establishment Third Way - to their face. Loved it!
Go Bernie!
Cal33
(7,018 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)Cal33
(7,018 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)For sure, the best since Bobby! And we need him NOW!
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)to shabby either.
dpatbrown
(368 posts)was difficult for many of us. I was as excited about him, as I am about Senator Sanders. Losing him changed history.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)for a lot of us. I was certainly not a voter yet but I will never forget watching him, listening and feeling like there was a good, honest person who wanted everyone to get a shake.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)It's only gonna get hotter and hotter. Once people find out about Bernie, they shall nominate him. Once nominated, he shall be our 45th President!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)MerryBlooms
(11,770 posts)Beaut!!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
jalan48
(13,870 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)jalan48
(13,870 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)"Yes, our corporate candidate sucks, but if you don't vote for them, Republicans win!!" seems to be the main motivation sometimes.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)And then, well before he was sworn in, he appointed Clinton and Geithner. A harder slap in the face I have never received from anyone I voted for, and I cast my first presidential vote for Jimmy Carter. I knew at that moment we had been royally and completely chumped.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)First: Carter and then I left politics for many years only to get chumped by Obama's appointees.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)I can't imagine some people not wondering whether they should be giving Bernie their support now.
madwivoter
(539 posts)Fantastic speech! Thank you for posting!
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I got the count up to 48.
Anyone else?
navarth
(5,927 posts)and I'm sure JMS would agree.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)I'm sure you know he's a huge liberal. I like to think it comes out in his writing.
Damn I miss that show. Such fun.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Her name is Jan. This is the JMS forum she runs. http://jmsnews.com/forums/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4907794
She registered and made her only post so as to confirm the opinion of JMS.
THE RULES OF THE NEW ARISTOCRACY
You live in a Company Town; we pay you to work for us, while making sure that we own all the stores in town that sell our goods, the doctors offices where you go in town, the restaurants where you eat, and that we charge you just enough to make sure that at the end of the week you dont have any leftover money to squirrel away, so you can never leave the company town, can never get ahead, and can never risk criticizing the company town. You work for us. We own the town where you live. We own you.
If one of you takes a hundred dollar bill from the cash register, you will go to jail. If we take billions out of the savings of ordinary people then crash the economy, costing thousands of jobs, not one of us will ever be prosecuted. Because the New Aristocracy is above such things. So well just keep on doing it. Enjoy the ride.
Your local police belong to us now. We have militarized them into soldiers who treat you like terrorists. If you speak against us, we will ensure that you are tear gassed and beaten and handcuffed and caged into free speech zones designed to make you forget that the whole country was supposed to be a free speech zone. But now you have free speech only when and where we say you can have it. Meanwhile, we can say and do pretty much anything we want, to you or anyone else, and get away with it.
navarth
(5,927 posts)And I listen.
Thanks my friend
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)For posting the video. I practically had tears in my eyes by the end.
Geronimoe
(1,539 posts)I gave him a standing ovation on everyone of is points.
Bernie is the real deal. This time, and it is a rare time, we have a candidate with real principals, and has walked his talk for decades.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)padfun
(1,786 posts)And very astute. He tells it like it is and that is because he see's it like it is.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I just finished watching this awesome video, on DU (not at youtube) and got this flashing
on my screen at the very end of the video.
Did this happen to anyone else? Is it a virus or what? Anyone know?
ram2008
(1,238 posts)See in the bottom right corner of the ad it says Ad's by Google .
Get an adblocker!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)I use Adblock Plus so ...
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)short circuit
(145 posts)Don't see any ads, nor do I care to.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Maybe it's a message from Debbie Wasserman-Schultz!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)That must be it.
Thanks for helping solve the mystery here.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Hopefully, bit by bit, his non third Way way will convert current supporters of Lady Third Way HRC.
If he can't quite pull it off then next best would be making Hillary move hard left to beat him.
Of course both Bill Clinton and Obama talked quite progressive running for President then went Third Way pretty quickly, Obama moving the quickest.
So go Bernie, pull it off!
stillwaiting
(3,795 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)navarth
(5,927 posts)Owl
(3,642 posts)turbinetree
(24,703 posts)shown up for the rallies to show there support and the crucial town hall meetings......................
Honk-----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
zentrum
(9,865 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Thanks for remembering him Bernie.
Thanks for the link ram2008!
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)His enunciation doesn't rise and fall like a Baptist minister, but his proclamations soar like the highest eagle.
I read that he shook the house, but didn't know for sure until I heard him.
Thanks for the link so that those of us stuck in meetings all afternoon could enjoy it later.
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)Wouldn't they pay the $200,000?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... had no problem with Charlie Christ.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)still_one
(92,217 posts)period.
BlueStateLib
(937 posts)Mr. Crist sent out a message that said, Proud and honored to join the Democratic Party in the home of President @BarackObama!
Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)Thanks for the thread, ram2008.
ChiciB1
(15,435 posts)I can't post much right now, something happened to my knee and it's getting bigger and bigger. Gotta ice it, I guess.
It sickens me that THEY don't seem to UNDERSTAND "we the people" really, really want BERNIE!
Gotta get rid of DWS, can't stand her!
Autumn
(45,106 posts)and incarceration.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Can we have him, please?
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)Do you feel the Bern yet?
George II
(67,782 posts)...but if you thought that speech was BRILLIANT, you should watch Clinton's speech for an example of BRILLIANT.
Genghis Khan
(13 posts)Bernie's from the fuckin' heart.
Don't you get it yet? You'll get it soon, if not by the convention where Bernie will be officially confirmed the Democratic nominee after hundreds of "dedicated" Clinton superdelegates drops her like a hot potato.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Can't she just talk extemporaneously from notes?
What's with her reading all the time?
Why does she do that?
Obama was more subtle about it.
Bernie doesn't need to read his speeches although I noticed that this speech was masterfully organized. I think he does speeches like my dad did: Just a word to get the topics in order.
I don't know why Hillary can't do that.
It makes me wonder whether she did debate in high school and college. Does anyone know? Because a politician needs to be able to speak well without reading the speech.
Honestly! I don't think she is much of a candidate.
Did she read her speeches when she was getting the big bucks for giving them?
What's with this reading speeches business?
Does Trump read his speeches too?
She needs to stop doing that.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)you aren't changing any minds here.
George II
(67,782 posts)retrowire
(10,345 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)and the speech gets the bad end of it.
My dad used to just make notes and speak from those. The sentences come from the heart. The topics are all that are needed.
She probably has speechwriters. That is for me a big problem with Hillary.
A good candidate can speak extemporaneously and well.
I have serious doubts about her ability to win in the general election. That she reads her speeches is one of the problems.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)(along with making voting as convenient and accessible for everyone as possible) is probably the only sure-fire way to fix the low turnout that he mentioned. I think until we have something like that, there will still be plenty of people who refuse to vote no matter how many fiery speeches a candidate gives or how many good things s/he promises. Many of the things that Bernie talks about are what most other D's have been talking about for years, and the 2 parties are so far apart these days that there is no reason to not vote or for people to get all cynical and say they're the same, yet here we still are with a turnout problem (especially in off-years).
Part of the problem also is that people don't do their own homework and become more knowledgeable about checks-and-balances and how things truly get done in D.C., in addition to finding out about the numerous differences between the typical platform of the GOP and our platform. This alludes to something I'd like to see Bernie acknowledge. He should point out to the less politically-savvy people that a president's powers are limited, and that while he promises things like free college, it won't necessarily come into fruition without solid Democratic majorities in both Houses. He can't do it all himself.
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)on their little coronation. I don't think I could love this man more!
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)The guy knows what he's talking about, so, I agree with my brother.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)contribute to Bernie or pay down more on our medical debt for this year???
Thinking the medical providers may just get a little less each month.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)I will send Bernie a little more for you
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're kind of awesome.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)My wife is a midwife so paying medical bills is in my best interests
I waste money to the point I try to never have any in my possession so I will give my extra to the Florida Sanders campaign keeping me from wasting it
So all self serving
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)My guy buys dog food to help a homeless guy feed his only friend in the world.
He delivers it with a hot meal for the human.
SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)We get pet stuff 2 for 1 the shelter gets the extras unless I have too much money then they get some and the extras
My wife has compared me to a monk over the money but if you have been really poor in America you usually don't develop the love of money needed to turn away from others
I have minimum needs and maximum income so its my balance
Again bottom line self interest
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)that is so kind and thank you!!! Trying to do a little of each ... paying for past wonderful care or dreaming of a more equitable future.
Thanks again!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)extortionate insurance+extortionate student loans and they won't even have time to gasp for air, let alone join the large sort of campaign it'd take to start rolling back the oligarchy
win-win
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)He's proposing a grass roots movement to make America what it can and should be. He's appealing to the best parts of people, much like RFK did. I truly hope more people will vote because of him and his message. In every election.
I hope more people like him will run for office and win - especially at local and city and county and state levels. That's what we need to stem the tide of corruption and stagnation. We need hundreds more like him in both houses of Congress too.
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ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)This is my kind of man
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Brilliant? Not so sure. I didn't hear anything new. The base will eat it up, but what about everyone else? Was it truly inspiring? It focused too much on socio-economics. He needs to transcend that to be truly inspiring for the majority of voters. Obama ran on the concept of "change". Bernie is running on the concept of "socio-economics". Which has mass appeal?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)I do know what socio economics are.
But remember Bill Clinton's successful mantra in his Presidential campaign?
"It's the economy, stupid."
Sanders is not a one-issue candidate, But he is basically following the same advice that Bill Clinton did. Much of it does boil down to economics and how they affect real people.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)If he is to improve, he should be challenged. I personally believe he needs to transcend the socioeconomic platform he focused on throughout this 25 minute speech. I also think that is a reasonable ask.
He is no Bill Clinton - at least I have not seen Bernie reach that level of political prowess. Perhaps he can.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)But I've seen this impotent line used against Bernie by a lot of people who want to minimize him. Pro-tip... its not working.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)The majority of voters are looking for more. They see the kalidescope, not the colors.
You can continue with Bernie's status quo. I doubt it will win him the presidency.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Okay, I'm done taking anything you have to say with any measure off seriousness whatsoever.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)Won't we.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)The issue that Sanders is raising a CORE ISSUE....It has been a core issue, and a cancer that has been eating away at our society in many ways for at least 35 years. That is the increasing and obscene concentration of wealth and power -- and the siphoning up of all economic resources from the middle and lower classes upward to a tiny sliver of people who altready have more than they will ever need.
But that basic message has been glossed over and ignored by the Democratic Party Leadership (not all -- there are worthy exceptions), who in too many instances actually supported the problem.
Sanders has finally broken through, and has brought that issue into the mainstream. Unfortunately, the relentless repetition of it is necessary just to be heard through all of the political and media filter.
So, yes it may seem to some that it's narrow. But it also is necessary at this point to focus on that to spark a larger debate.
Chico Man
(3,001 posts)It may feel that way (especially for those frequenting sites like DU). But it really hasn't. And this speech is not the vehicle that is going to take the message there. I wish it were.
mariawr
(348 posts)But it would be depressing to find out that all of the slacktivism creating a false sense of hope in Bernie's campaign was simply based on like minded individuals talking amongst themselves and pumping each other up, yet failing to reach out and connect to the rest of the populace, because everything is being framed within a socioeconomic lens.
If this speech is considered brilliant, we are in big trouble.
2banon
(7,321 posts)Socio-Economics is all it's ever been about, really.. which is the driver behind Social Justice and Equality. Class and Race Analysis. Separate, yet intrinsically tied together..
Armstead
(47,803 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Due in large part to his and O'Malley's speeches.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/29/us/politics/bernie-sanders-faces-skepticism-from-democratic-insiders.html?_r=0
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Very annoying, I can play music, no problem with the sound. Very odd, I'm having trouble with audio on all
DU member links.
senz
(11,945 posts)when he mentions (at about 2:20 ) how things have changed in the past few months.
Gawd he is sweet. Good man.
In this speech, he lets the DNC know that they have a whole lot to learn about strategy. They are very fortunate to now have a man who understands strategy and understands the American people. I hope they paid attention.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)IF we get behind it, it can happen.
And it is good or all of us and it COULD be transformative.
Please, Dems, find your trust in real change again and back the candidate who will take us towards it.
loudsue
(14,087 posts)People need to hear him.