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mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 06:44 AM Aug 2015

Whatever the polemics about Hillary are true or not,

Whatever did she cared of not about threats against Ambassador Stevens,

Whatever did she used a private server, witch is not illegal but now strongly discouraged practice now,

Whatever the facts are overacted by the RW which is trying by doing so to hide its far more important own crimes,

Whatever of of this,

It reveals one thing,

It means that integrity and care of transparency and open governement does not matter that much for Mrs Clinton that it counts for others prominents Democrats,

Otherwise she would have earlier recognised misleads about Benghazi attack.
Otherwise she would have reacted earlier when email story erupted and would have aknowledged she was uncarefull by using only private server. She is a very inteligent person. She was certainly aware it would be questioned one day or another.

And why didnt she adressed the conflicts if interests re philantropic activities with donors benefits while serving as top US diplomat?

Now she is fading in the polls. And there are two top reasons to this

The first is of course, Bernie who adresses people' s direct struggles abd stands up to Big Money with efficiently, thruthness and undeterrement.

The second one IMO, is that maybe American people do want someone as president who care about integrity and clean, open, transparent goverment and politics.

And sorry, Hillary Clinton can' t fullfill plainly this goal.

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Whatever the polemics about Hillary are true or not, (Original Post) mylye2222 Aug 2015 OP
DU or Free Republic? It's hard to tell lately. nt sufrommich Aug 2015 #1
Here comes the usual dismiss attempts. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #2
The usual crew will show up. PowerToThePeople Aug 2015 #3
Thanks PTTP. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #4
REC!!!!!! nt newfie11 Aug 2015 #6
And the usual crew Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #47
Check below! mylye2222 Aug 2015 #50
For what? Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #55
Check for what? Check for THIS: HappyPlace Aug 2015 #77
? Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #86
When they have no answer they 840high Aug 2015 #109
Answer: Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #111
Because it's not just rw nonsense???? 840high Aug 2015 #112
Good grief Bobbie Jo Aug 2015 #113
I'm with you there quickesst Aug 2015 #7
Sometimes I wonder that myself rbrnmw Aug 2015 #10
+1... SidDithers Aug 2015 #13
Benghazi??? Is that you Howdy. olegramps Aug 2015 #30
Yep...anyone at DU using Bengazhi as evidence of anything is......hilarious!! Remember when we Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #39
Truly. And of course here comes the denials that this OP would look good at Fox Nation! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #38
Oh, knock it off. Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #43
+1 n/t Chan790 Aug 2015 #53
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2015 #89
Amen - eyes wide open. 840high Aug 2015 #119
+ 1,000,000,000,000 eom MohRokTah Aug 2015 #49
Yep. Hard to tell lately around here. BlueCaliDem Aug 2015 #54
Fucking disgusting. This kind of crap has made me jaded. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #71
Wow, you guys are good at getting the first response. Too bad you can't discuss issues. nm rhett o rick Aug 2015 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #88
Not this BS again please. 840high Aug 2015 #108
I guess that talking about actual issues is BS RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #114
Wow. We've reached the full Benghazi phase of Hillary bashing. DanTex Aug 2015 #5
The worm Cosmocat Aug 2015 #8
Why would we do this? mylye2222 Aug 2015 #11
Bernie is great Cosmocat Aug 2015 #60
I am reading a book... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #12
I agree with you about whenever Reps wants or not to run again her. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #16
"politics through the lens of a child" sufrommich Aug 2015 #18
Still less naive than believing mylye2222 Aug 2015 #20
I forgot how to do formal citations DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #24
I hope you are not implying Bernie' s rise in approval rates mylye2222 Aug 2015 #27
N0 DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #31
I am confused by your last statement LuvLoogie Aug 2015 #29
Mea culpa... I tried to be fancy... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #35
Yep Cosmocat Aug 2015 #61
The Media are ignoring Bernie, O' Malley, and Webb. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #62
Precisely DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #65
So, if they are that negative about her, mylye2222 Aug 2015 #66
She has certainly took a hit in her favorables... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #69
What "other" Repugs? Cosmocat Aug 2015 #107
Sanders is doing well in the polls now... DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2015 #63
Right Cosmocat Aug 2015 #94
Bernie will never be the front runner. eom MohRokTah Aug 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #79
DU has gone FULL BENGHAZI! SonderWoman Aug 2015 #9
The virtually incoherent ramblings of a single poster... Garrett78 Aug 2015 #15
Isn't this now the 3rd BENGHAZI! thread in 24 hours? SonderWoman Aug 2015 #17
Benghazi!...nt SidDithers Aug 2015 #14
These boys thank you for your concern... BooScout Aug 2015 #19
Why are we talking about Benghazi which was a very well handled event in the light of .. marble falls Aug 2015 #21
Agree with u specially on last patagraph. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #23
Her supporters ignore the fact that a lot of her 'platform' are against all of our interests. marble falls Aug 2015 #25
Yup. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #28
Sanders supporters have now fully embraced BENGHAAAAAAAAAAZI. Metric System Aug 2015 #22
Bullshit. Read the whole thread so far calmly. marble falls Aug 2015 #26
I call your bullshit and say double bullshit!! Fred Sanders Aug 2015 #41
Careful FlatBaroque Aug 2015 #45
A 26 point lead is not fading BainsBane Aug 2015 #32
The lead used to be 40 percent, no? Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #34
Yes, well here the truth is support among the population BainsBane Aug 2015 #37
She still has that endorsment because her " inevitability" mylye2222 Aug 2015 #36
She is supporting no deregulation BainsBane Aug 2015 #46
Voting records are important, but they doesnt tell 100% of mylye2222 Aug 2015 #48
Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #56
"*-Yes, I am arguing that support of Hillary is a litmus test that dis-includes her supporters from Cha Aug 2015 #117
She would certainly not bring the same states in play as would Mr. Sanders. Betty Karlson Aug 2015 #33
I'm a Bernie supporter but these RW talking points have earned you a Forever Ignore! nt valerief Aug 2015 #40
Read back. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #42
You are all aware I am not alone saying the same? mylye2222 Aug 2015 #44
Yet nother right wing attack on Hillary Clinton posted on DU. MohRokTah Aug 2015 #52
How come every time somebody points out Clinton's many flaws its a right wing attack? tularetom Aug 2015 #57
This was not pointing out flaws, it was parrotting Fox News. eom MohRokTah Aug 2015 #58
The poster lives in France. I doubt that she's ever seen Fox News tularetom Aug 2015 #68
No I dont and I am not looking for it! mylye2222 Aug 2015 #72
I don't beleie anything this poster says. eom MohRokTah Aug 2015 #85
Ask the NSA. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #91
. MohRokTah Aug 2015 #116
So if a Republican wins, I guess the French will Starry Messenger Aug 2015 #59
Thanks Sanders supporters that see right through this bullshit. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #64
It amazes me Andy823 Aug 2015 #70
I am willing to take a hide for this and say that we have a lot of moles here. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #73
I AM NOT SAYING mylye2222 Aug 2015 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #80
OTT? Sorry what does it mean. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #82
No it is not because I point mylye2222 Aug 2015 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #87
They have certainly soured me on their candidate BainsBane Aug 2015 #103
Next up, the Mena Airport mcar Aug 2015 #67
One thing that drives me nuts fadedrose Aug 2015 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Aug 2015 #78
More Benghazi nonsense. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #83
You just know they were dying to discuss this garbage. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #90
HILLARY' S State Department DID NOT DELIBERATLY. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #92
It was a tragedy and you and your friends want to exploit it to trash Hillary. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #93
A tragedy that could maybe have bein avoided mylye2222 Aug 2015 #95
Are you for real? hrmjustin Aug 2015 #96
+1 tammywammy Aug 2015 #97
First you do know I am for real. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #100
Maybe you could apply for a job on Trey Gowdy's committee or foxnews with your opinion. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #101
More RW masturbatory fantasies. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #99
By humble I mean responding when questionning. mylye2222 Aug 2015 #102
There have only been 9 investigations. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #104
Facts don't matter when you have Hillary Derangement Syndrome. hrmjustin Aug 2015 #105
Don't knock the Benghzi nonsense. RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #115
Yes, and notice how certain BS supporters are pushing it.. like it will help their candidate. They Cha Aug 2015 #118
Yawn ismnotwasm Aug 2015 #98
I tried to read this, I really did. MineralMan Aug 2015 #106
rw. this is a democratic board. seabeyond Aug 2015 #110
 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
2. Here comes the usual dismiss attempts.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 06:56 AM
Aug 2015

Expected it.

Its not about the controversies and the question whenhever its fact of fiction. Its about what all of this says about Hillary Clinton' s commitments when it comes to integrity in politics. Its not a "RW" memes.

Please stop seeing the world in black and white.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
3. The usual crew will show up.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 07:14 AM
Aug 2015

Last edited Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:00 AM - Edit history (1)

I rec'd your OP.

Openness is not a trait of HRC.

 

HappyPlace

(568 posts)
77. Check for what? Check for THIS:
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:30 AM
Aug 2015

There's are reasons for this and we, as a party, need to think long and hard about who can really beat the GOP:










Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
86. ?
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:03 PM
Aug 2015

Huh?

Pimping this RW nonsense helps how, exactly?

As far as the "we" is concerned, that ship is about to sail.

Between this crap and the BLM treatment, I'm not interested in lining up with these people.

Check that shit...

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
111. Answer:
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:37 PM
Aug 2015

RW nonsense. Full stop.

"usual BS" what??

RW bullshit SHOULD be dismissed here. Why on earth would someone defend or drag this freeper-worthy nonsense on this board.

:

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
113. Good grief
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:55 PM
Aug 2015

What was the wrong-doing here?

Explain your reasoning and your defense of this freeperesque stance.

This was nothing more than a RW witch hunt from the very beginning.

And again, what "usual BS?" Huh?!

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
10. Sometimes I wonder that myself
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:04 AM
Aug 2015

From the racist attacks to attacking anything Clinton. It sure feels like Free Republic some times. No fear though I know that the admins will eventually take out the worst. I served 2 terms on MIRT it's eye opening, and I know they keep out the worst. I am not saying OP is one of them.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
30. Benghazi??? Is that you Howdy.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:19 AM
Aug 2015

I agree it is difficult to determine what site I am logged into lately. She is coming under attack for her campaign financing and now Benghazi? Is it actually feasible that a person could get elected by only accepting five and ten buck donations against the powerful Juggernaut that will be launched by the GOP's candidate? Regardless who is the Democratic candidate, the GOP will launch a smear campaign that will dominate the networks just as they launched against Kerry.

Seems that some on DU are eagerly adopting the GOP's talking points. Don't be surprised if Sanders gets the nomination when they attack him as a commie that is going to nationalize all the corporations and destroy the nation. They will make Clinton's defects appear insignificant compared to Sanders vulnerability. It will not be her fundraising, since they are in the same boat, but it will be e-mails and Benghazi even though they lack a shred of validity. That's the nature of politics and why so many don't want to have any part in it.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
39. Yep...anyone at DU using Bengazhi as evidence of anything is......hilarious!! Remember when we
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:39 AM
Aug 2015

said "what next attacking Clinton, Bengazhi?"

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
38. Truly. And of course here comes the denials that this OP would look good at Fox Nation!
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:38 AM
Aug 2015

And, of course, the Rec's, mostly from new members....

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
43. Oh, knock it off.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:45 AM
Aug 2015

Face the facts, many Democrats and even more independents are not enamored with your candidate. That only makes them Republicans in the party-before-country Third Way Democrats.

The rest of us have our eyes wide open.

Response to Le Taz Hot (Reply #43)

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
54. Yep. Hard to tell lately around here.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:12 AM
Aug 2015

But the level of vitriol and the zeal with which it's posted around here, it only tells me that they know she will win the Democratic nomination. They know it and are helpless to stop it.

To date:

Hillary Clinton endorsements:

440 Super-delegates
94 (and growing) House Democrats
29 Democratic Senators
7 Democratic Governors
In May 2015, she received the endorsement of Democratic Governor Peter Shumlin - Governor of Vermont.

Barring another Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton is poised to win the Democratic nomination for president. And considering that figures don't lie, liars figure, the above are some cold, hard facts that are hard to swallow for some.

Response to rhett o rick (Reply #76)

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
114. I guess that talking about actual issues is BS
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:59 PM
Aug 2015

Yes, it is what *BS* as in Bernie Sanders has been talking about all along!

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
5. Wow. We've reached the full Benghazi phase of Hillary bashing.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 07:38 AM
Aug 2015
Whatever did she cared of not about threats against Ambassador Stevens

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
8. The worm
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 07:53 AM
Aug 2015

WILL turn such time as Bernie becomes the democratic front runner, he WILL face the same never ending, relentless onslaught of bullshit, and the same people gleefully advancing this shit against Hillary will be singing a completely different tune ...

LOTS of good reasons to support Bernie over Hill, and I am voting for him.

But, this shit of channeling the Rs efforts to destroy Hillary (as they do the head of the democratic party at ALL times) burns me to no end. It is bad enough that they get away with it generally, galling that democrats really hope on board to pick our nominee.

Same people piling on this shit will be screaming bloody murder when Bernie starts getting the treatment.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
11. Why would we do this?
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:04 AM
Aug 2015

Unlike Hillary Clinton, Bernie runs fairly, centered in the issues that are the most important, he is not running FIRST on namerrecognition and ONLY THEN on the issues. Plus his campaign is not tied to Wall Street.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
60. Bernie is great
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:52 AM
Aug 2015

Hillary is warmed over, but sorry, as far as pols go no worse than anyone else.

Piling on her is what the republicans want, and if she is successfully taken down , bernie will be next and you are living in a fantasy world if you think they wont gin up an endless stream of bullshit to drag him down, just like hillary.

You are all high and mighty about all this ginned up bullshit to slander hillary, but will ball about how unfair it is if/when bernie gets it.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
12. I am reading a book...
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:21 AM
Aug 2015

I am reading a book, 'One Man Against The World: The Tragedy of Richard Nixon'. It's probably the tenth book I have read about him. Nixon and his henchmen did everything they could to destroy the campaigns of those Democrats they feared the most and left George McGovern alone because they desperately wanted to run against him because they were convinced he was the easiest to beat and they were right.

Anybody that fails to see where the impetus of this tsunami of criticism of Hillary Clinton is coming from see politics through the lens of a child. Whether a person is a partisan of Hillary Clinton or not it is the apex of political naivete to believe she is the Democrat the Republican least want to run against.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
16. I agree with you about whenever Reps wants or not to run again her.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:29 AM
Aug 2015

In fact she is the ones Republicans wants to run again.
Not because she is weak. That is true on the issues that matters. But she is the strongest when it comes to influence. They want to run against her because if Repubs loose, it will not be such a defeat to them, as she will defend lobbyists groups whlm also RW worships. For instance, AIPAC. And pro wars.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
18. "politics through the lens of a child"
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:38 AM
Aug 2015

But Ann Coulter even admitted that they're afraid of running against Bernie Sanders! Surely Ann Coulter would not lie to us.



Best example of seeing politics through the lens of a child I've seen on DU. Incredible naivete.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
20. Still less naive than believing
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:48 AM
Aug 2015

HRC is a progressive when it comes to economical issues.


When in office she will pursue the classic pro corporate economy measures.

That os WHY Rwingers would not mind if she is elected president.

Remember who derugulated WS and bankers in the 1990'.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
24. I forgot how to do formal citations
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:00 AM
Aug 2015
Nixon wanted to run against the ardently anti war senator George McGovern of South Dakota. The week before the president had ordered Hadleman to produce fake polls showing McGovern gaining strength. "The best way to assure we would win was to pick our opponent." Hadleman wrote. "We were much happier with McGovern than other possible foes."

One Man Against The World: The tragedy of Richard Nixon, pg 183
 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
27. I hope you are not implying Bernie' s rise in approval rates
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:05 AM
Aug 2015

are staged, eh?

What is your opinion about DNC Chair limiting the number of debates, wich favorites the now still front-runner, HRC?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
31. N0
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:21 AM
Aug 2015
I hope you are not implying Bernie' s rise in approval rates are staged, eh?


No. I am saying that the Republicans are terribly afraid of Hillary Clinton and don't want to run against her and that is why they are using their house organ, FOX NEWS, to destroy her candidacy which is abetted by the right wing press and Republican controlled investigation committees.

This is Dirty Politics 101.

As to the number of debates I couldn't care less... Let the party sort it out.

LuvLoogie

(7,009 posts)
29. I am confused by your last statement
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:14 AM
Aug 2015

"Whether a person is a partisan of Hillary Clinton or not it is the apex of political naivete to believe she is the Democrat the Republican least want to run against."

Given your preceding paragraph, do you mean to say:

Whether a person is a partisan of Hillary Clinton or not it is the apex of political naivete to believe she is the Democrat the Republican most want to run against.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
35. Mea culpa... I tried to be fancy...
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:26 AM
Aug 2015

The Repugs are scared shitless of her...Hate and fear are inextricably linked. The Repugs hate her because they fear her.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
61. Yep
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:54 AM
Aug 2015

She is the head and they are teying to cut it off ...

The fantasy is that they fear bernie so much they are trying to ignor him to death.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
62. The Media are ignoring Bernie, O' Malley, and Webb.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:56 AM
Aug 2015

But they cover Hillary as much as Trumpet and other Repugs.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
65. Precisely
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:11 AM
Aug 2015
The Media are ignoring Bernie, O' Malley, and Webb. But they cover Hillary as much as Trumpet and other Repugs.



They blanket Hillary with negative coverage....

I should start a tally but I suspect the coverage is 3-1 negative.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
66. So, if they are that negative about her,
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:15 AM
Aug 2015

why is she still the frontrunner?

And those attack keeps being about politics. It is nothing compared to, for instance , saying that Obama is Muslim. Or that Kerry was a traitor.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
69. She has certainly took a hit in her favorables...
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:22 AM
Aug 2015

She has certainly took a hit in her favorables, and her head to head match up with Democrats and Republicans. The attacks have been effective but so far not effective enough...

The attacks on Obama and Kerry were despicable but there was more push back from the media.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
107. What "other" Repugs?
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:09 PM
Aug 2015

The media talks about Trump 75% of the time, Hillary 20% of the time (95% of that time babbling about the psuedo scandals serving the purpose of dragging down her negatives) and every other candidate combined about 5% of the time at this point.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
63. Sanders is doing well in the polls now...
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:01 AM
Aug 2015

Sanders is doing well in the polls now... But I would argue that is akin to a boxer looking a lot better at the opening bell than at the closing bell...The GOP and their lackeys in the press have been beating up HRC since March.

To believe Sanders would look the same if they were beating him up since March seems silly...

I know his supporters think it's a curse he is being ignored. One could argue it's a blessing.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
94. Right
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:48 PM
Aug 2015

Bernie is great, I like hima lot and I think hes the real deal.

But, it is fantasical thinking w these people who think he cant or wont be negatively framed in a BIG way if he was the one wearing the bullseye like Hiallary has for a LONG time now.

Response to Cosmocat (Reply #8)

 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
17. Isn't this now the 3rd BENGHAZI! thread in 24 hours?
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:30 AM
Aug 2015

Starting to seem like the talking points memo went out.

marble falls

(57,097 posts)
21. Why are we talking about Benghazi which was a very well handled event in the light of ..
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:51 AM
Aug 2015

Congressional grandstanding and malfeasance in cutting S180M from security budgets for State facilities around the world, or the e-mails which were handled legally and in a way done commonly for at least the last two administrations? Let alone the fact that Hillary Clinton was one of the best Sec's of State ever.

What we need is a real explanation from her regarding her stands on TPP, fracking Keystone, three strike laws, mandatory minimum sentences, death sentence, NSA intercepts, the Patriot Act, Homeland Security, her evolution on marriage equality ....... all stuff she is at odds with the vast majority here on DU.

BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
32. A 26 point lead is not fading
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:22 AM
Aug 2015

Even in "France" 48 is more than double 22. http://www.ipsos-na.com/newspolls/pressrelease.aspx?id=6965
That means Clinton could lose half of her supporters and still beat Sanders.

She continues to have an unprecedented lead in both polling and endorsement, that's despite the continually onslaught of corporate media and RW ratfucking working to deliver this election to the GOP.

People must feel badly threatened to cravenly turn to right-wing memes like Benghazi. The smell of desperation is growing stronger by the minute.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
34. The lead used to be 40 percent, no?
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:25 AM
Aug 2015

From 40 to 26 is a bit of a fading. But of course, such figures do not tell the whole story. Statistics can twist the truth just as much as any other written communication.

BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
37. Yes, well here the truth is support among the population
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:36 AM
Aug 2015

The question is numeric. Voting is simply a function of who gets the most votes. No matter how much you slice and dice it, 48 is way more than 22. Now I'm well aware many here think actual voters don't matter, but alas that is how elections are carried out.

Clinton has had an onslaught of RW media attacking her. The right and so-called left alike is devoted to taking her down and has done virtually nothing else but work toward that goal for months now. Yes, her support has declined, as happens to any candidate when faced with continual attack, yet she still holds a huge lead. NO ONE is running against Sanders. He has faced no criticism. Yet he is still stuck at 22, which is why we are seeing GOP scandals resurrected. If people were confident in his candidacy, they would be talking about what he has to offer rather than this "concern" over Trumped up bullshit about Clinton.

I am so looking forward to Super Tuesday.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
36. She still has that endorsment because her " inevitability"
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:30 AM
Aug 2015

has been planted so much in people minds that a lot of them can' t think of other candidates.

That ends with part of Clinton supporters wishing from the heart a progressive agenda, yet keeping standig with her although they know she will pursue a Third Way one. And more centrist than Obama. For instance : it is clear she support banking deregulations. It is also clear that on foreign policy, would she be at Obama' s place, there would be American troops on Syrias soil and back on Irak' s. There wouldnt have been signed a deal with Russia to disarm Assad back in 2013.

BainsBane

(53,034 posts)
46. She is supporting no deregulation
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:54 AM
Aug 2015

That is blatantly false. The conceit of your imagining you can divine an alternate version of history is particularly appalling.

You have NO RIGHT to tell me how to vote, particularly when you don't bother inform yourself on the issues. Normally when confronted with such behavior, I tell people we all get one vote, and mine if for me and me alone to determine. Only since you say you are "French," that doesn't apply to you. The way I've seen the term progressive used of late, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with it or them. People have invoked progressivism in defense of gun proliferation, dismissal of social justice, efforts to discredit Black Lives Matter, special immunity for gun corporations, hundreds of billions to Lockheed Martin, and occupation of Palestine.
I am a leftist, and I am not persuaded by deception and misinformation. I am perfectly capable of looking at Clinton's voting record and her own statements on her policies, something you clearly have not done.

The more posts like this I see, the more committed I am to ensuring she wins. Thanks to you, I will now go make another donation to Clinton's campaign.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
48. Voting records are important, but they doesnt tell 100% of
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:02 AM
Aug 2015

who a political figure is. Behaviour in practicing political life, means used for career , degree of engagement ( are they in fact more serving common interest or self interest) does mattet as well, if no more sometimes.

And no, I am not telling who to vote for. Unlike DNC. They tell people who to vote for in GE before primary votes had formally begun. ( Debates limitation should have already opened eyes).

Response to BainsBane (Reply #32)

Cha

(297,274 posts)
117. "*-Yes, I am arguing that support of Hillary is a litmus test that dis-includes her supporters from
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:21 PM
Aug 2015
real Democrats. Useless center-right corporatist scumsucking fake Democrats shouldn't be welcome."

Well, all is not lost.. that post got a hide. isn't that special.. he wants to purge DU.. only BS supporters allowed.

For the Jury.. that is a quote from a BS supporter.. I do not feel DU should be purged of Hillary supporters.
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
33. She would certainly not bring the same states in play as would Mr. Sanders.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:22 AM
Aug 2015

On the other hand: she might (just might) be better at flipping senate seats in Arkansas, Missouri, and Louisiana.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
42. Read back.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:42 AM
Aug 2015

Im not backing scandals. Im saying that beyond this those RW controversies reveals a major flaw Hillary has: considering open governement and politics facultative. No one can deny it.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
44. You are all aware I am not alone saying the same?
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 09:48 AM
Aug 2015
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251554264

Hillary Clinton has a problem when it comes to anwer image dammaging questions. Deal with it.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
57. How come every time somebody points out Clinton's many flaws its a right wing attack?
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:30 AM
Aug 2015

Some of us are just concerned that if she becomes the nominee, she will not only lose the general election but drag a lot of qualified Democratic senatorial and congressional candidates down the drain with her.

And don't start in about "polls". She's been in the running for the 2016 election since the day after Obama was nominated in 2008. Everybody knew it and no other name was even talked about until Senator Sanders entered the race a few months ago. Of course she's going to poll well.

She's a cold fish, an unimpressive speaker and her policies consist primarily of generalities and platitudes that she seemingly can't be bothered to explain. And of course, being a Clinton, she has a whole cemetery full of skeletons in her closet that can easily be exploited by her opponents.

Sure, DU isn't the "real world". In the real world people dislike her a lot more than on DU. And they aren't "right wingers" either.

Nominate her at your own risk.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
59. So if a Republican wins, I guess the French will
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:37 AM
Aug 2015

enjoy having the party back in power that called France "surrender monkeys." Then you can rest assured everything is back to normal and the world can hate us again.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
64. Thanks Sanders supporters that see right through this bullshit.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:05 AM
Aug 2015

I see most of you do.


Garbage post and I am not surprised you took up this cause.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
70. It amazes me
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:24 AM
Aug 2015

Now someone is throwing "Benghazi" into the hate fest, and not one person who calls themselves a Bernie supporter has stepped up to condemn this BS!

I like Bernie, but the way his so called supporters have gone bats shit crazy in their attacks on Clinton have really turned me off to his candidacy. I am not a Clinton supporter, but what is going on here is insane. Day in and day out the same posters try and outdo each other in their attacks on her. Who will get the most rec's today, and what will the prize be?

I keep asking myself why are they doing this? They are pretty much the same people who posted BS on a daily basis about president Obama, now they have turned their hate on Clinton. I would not be a bit surprised that if Bernie did make into the WH, he too would soon be thrown under the bus with all the other democrats they seem to dislike so much.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
74. I AM NOT SAYING
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:28 AM
Aug 2015

That she is a felon. I said tyat BOTH on Benghazi AND email issues, she handled it poorly by not regognizing mismeads, and it diesnt mean she is a criminal, yet it means she moght feel so sure of her career préservation she doesnt bother to answer questions. It is PLAIN FACTS. No "RWtalking points".

Response to Andy823 (Reply #70)

Response to mylye2222 (Reply #81)

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
84. No it is not because I point
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:50 AM
Aug 2015

POLITICAL MISLEADS.

How could she act like if, for instance email issue, no one would never ever ask question about safety of exchanges AND ties to donors and foreign policy?

Same with the Benghazi terror attack. How could she thought the death of Ambassador Stevens and his prior safety measures would not be questioned?

That is the mishandling I am pointing at.

Response to mylye2222 (Reply #84)

mcar

(42,334 posts)
67. Next up, the Mena Airport
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:20 AM
Aug 2015

Cause if the media says it, a Clinton shouldn't run. Even if it's not true.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
75. One thing that drives me nuts
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:29 AM
Aug 2015

to where I have to change the channel when she's on....

the raising and shaking of one fist or another that seems to never stop..

Please - to her advisors - make her stop.

Response to mylye2222 (Original post)

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
92. HILLARY' S State Department DID NOT DELIBERATLY.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:21 PM
Aug 2015

Let Ambassador Stevers die for sure. I think it was a systemic mislead , a tragic one witch lead to lack of security on him.

HOWEVER she, as a responsible servicewoman should have straightly recognize SDs misleading concerning Ambassador Stevens protection. Would have she simply said " Yeah we failed to protect him " and explained why in details, the story would not have build up bigger and bigger. Gies the same with email issue.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
93. It was a tragedy and you and your friends want to exploit it to trash Hillary.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:24 PM
Aug 2015

It is your stick.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
95. A tragedy that could maybe have bein avoided
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:49 PM
Aug 2015

If the Ambassador' s pleas would have been heard.
And I stand by what I said. Dear Hillary : you can stop RW attacks by simply acting more humbly and recognize your misleads while serving at State. Both in Benghazi tragedy and aknoledge you should not have deled those mails. It would be a good debut.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
96. Are you for real?
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:51 PM
Aug 2015

She has nothing to apologize for. Second the gop cut funding

Third your points are rw talking points. Stop trolling du with this garbage.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
100. First you do know I am for real.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:05 PM
Aug 2015

Second: game over. End of the party. You know what my post was about. It was beyond RW attacks. It was what HRCs handling of all of that revealead about her way of practicing public life, witch is a kind of disdain when it comes to transparency. We are a lot the percieve it like this, that somehow, judjing by her ACTIONS, she somewhat acts lile if she might be above scrutiny. And yes it is important.
NO "troll" " sexism" rw" racism or any dismissg raccourcis over here.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
99. More RW masturbatory fantasies.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:02 PM
Aug 2015

Hillary has to be more "humble". Yea, fuck that nonsense.

No matter what she does, the RW will be screaming bloody murder. And sadly some on the left will be right their to carry water for them.

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
102. By humble I mean responding when questionning.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:10 PM
Aug 2015

First, why did she, until recently avoided press questions? Plus it lead to know less about what she stands for
Second. Let' s take another case. The NSA Spying.Obama Administration directly adressed the issue and straightly stated it was wrong and that yes, worldwide leaders has been spied.
Whe you handle something wrong, the best thing at first is aknowledging you have been mistaken, not acting in a way you can be percieved as domewhone who wants to avoid the issue.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
104. There have only been 9 investigations.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:18 PM
Aug 2015

Nine investigations by an extremely hostile GOP and partisan Congress.

And they have concluded .... Hillary did nothing wrong. There is nothing for her to apologize for.

Although, I do think there are many on the right wing, maybe some on the left, who would collapse with orgasmic rapture were she to do so.

She did not send Stevens there to die. She did not watch him die on video while rubbing her hands with glee. She did not withhold support. He left the embassy to visit a consulate in a dangerous part of the country. She did not make him do that.

I'm not sure what the Benghazi nonsense has to do with the NSA spying. Nothing really.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
115. Don't knock the Benghzi nonsense.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 05:00 PM
Aug 2015

If it wasn't for Benghazi, Darryl Issa would be out stealing cars again!

Cha

(297,274 posts)
118. Yes, and notice how certain BS supporters are pushing it.. like it will help their candidate. They
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:23 PM
Aug 2015

couldn't be more wrong.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
106. I tried to read this, I really did.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:26 PM
Aug 2015

I figured out that you meant "Whether" when you typed "whatever." I tried to get past the other problems caused by writing in a non-native language. I'm sorry. I just couldn't.

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