2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumO'Malley and Wasserman after scathing speech: 'Awkward'
Elliott Schwartz @ellioschawkward
The Hill @thehill
DNC chair gives Martin OMalley death stare after scathing speech http://hill.cm/WcKilA6
watch: https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/637345383434330112
from the NYT:
"Accusing party leaders of trying to keep Democratic ideas hidden as the Republican presidential candidates spew racist hate from their debate lecterns, Mr. OMalley, the former Maryland governor and mayor of Baltimore, questioned the decision to hold four debates and four debates only before the first four states finish voting.
This is totally unprecedented in our partys history, Mr. OMalley said. This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before. Whose decree is it exactly? Where did it come from? To what end? For what purpose? What national or party interest does this decree serve? How does this help us tell the story of the last eight years of Democratic progress?"
Watch Martin O'Malley DNC Speech (advance vid to 28:00) : http://omly.us/dnc-meeting #WeNeedDebate
Armstead
(47,803 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)It was necessary to demonstrate that there is a lot of unhappiness with the way the Democratic party is being run.
And particularly with DWS as the chair.
shireen
(8,333 posts)He did good.
and lost respect even more for another two
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Scrappy as hell.
fredamae
(4,458 posts)definitely spoke Bluntly on my behalf...and I do appreciate that.....because I have been saying, almost verbatim, the Same things as I have tried for several YEARS to get the DNC/DSCC and even my Own State Dem leadership to Hear my (our) complaints. I get hung up on...it goes no further, but Sanders and O'Malley have a Mic...
Thank you, Martin and Bernie!
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)is one that I will be watching quite closely. These are the types that are needed to clean house at the DNC so we can start winning elections again.
Should Clinton get the nomination, 2016 will be a disaster for we Dems..
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Exactly!
"Should Clinton get the nomination, 2016 will be a disaster for we Dems.. "
I wasn't thinking so earlier, but as things progress, I'm thinking this very same thing too.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Neither are these people, I suspect.
Current DNC leadership
National Chair: Debbie Wasserman Schultz[10]
Vice Chairs:
Tulsi Gabbard, U.S. Representative from Hawaii[10]
Maria Elena Durazo, Executive SecretaryTreasurer of the AFL-CIO[10]
Donna Brazile, political analyst, campaign manager for Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign
Raymond Buckley, President of the Association of State Democratic Chairs, Chair of the New Hampshire Democratic Party
R. T. Rybak, former Mayor of Minneapolis, Minnesota
Executive Director: Amy Dacey
Treasurer: Andrew Tobias, businessman, author, and financial self-help guru
Secretary: Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, Mayor of Baltimore[11]
Communications Director: Mo Eliethee[12]
National Finance Chair: Henry Muñoz III[10]
In addition, a National Advisory Board exists for purposes of fundraising and advising the executive. The present chair is Elizabeth Frawley Bagley, former U.S. Ambassador to Portugal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee
elzenmahn
(904 posts)...and could help ensure that the rot, which starts at the top, can be rooted out.
Dump Debbie Weasleman Schiltz!
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)If anyone wants to send her a message, perhaps try to get her to loosen those draconian restrictions on the debates, they can find her page here: https://www.facebook.com/RepDWS?fref=ts
CrispyQ
(36,471 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)I know Tulsi Gabbard has some issues, and is not very liberal. I wonder who the real power is there. I always liked Donna Brazile but she is from that old DLC school. Don't really know the leanings of the others.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)He said what needed to be said and it took courage and conviction to say it. Unfortunately, it won't change a damn thing.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)stupid and dishonest people.
Cynicism -- even if it's justified and understandable --
leads to apathy and inaction.
I have a firm policy of Just-Say-No to discouraging POV's.
They are contagious, not helpful, and not even necessarily
realistic.
I hope you do not take this as a criticism, I don't mean
it that way, but can not accept that line of thinking; it's
a discourager. Change is possible, and inevitable, but
cynicism and doubt are minions of ignorance, aka the
proverbial devil.
If we want to make progress, leave no room for doubt
that it's possible.
kacekwl
(7,017 posts)stand aside and let real democrats lead the democratic party.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I wonder if Debbie will ever acknowledge the electronic vote tabulator inconsistencies in the South?
yardwork
(61,629 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Debbie Wasserman is in trouble and she just does not get it. But,we now see the real DNC for what it is,and it sure is not so called main stream oriented. My question is,do these folks not get it,Wall Street is not going to cut it.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)She just don't care. It is about power and maintaining it what ever the cost.
The end justifies the means to these kind of people.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)tells one the Party Leadership is interested in only the immediate and what did you do for me yesterday. Unless there is a Tsunami in our Party,we will lose this whole damn thing,and if Wasserman-Shultz freezes out Bernie from the debates,I predict a major defeat for our Party and our Nation headed to a major Institutional collapse.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)because the GOP knows a good servant when they see one. DWS should be thankful all the TOs does not allow me to express the truth about what she is.
tartan2
(314 posts)This country will not survive another Republican in the White House along with a Republican controlled Congress, and it scares the hell right out of me!
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)election cycle that I am able to be effective in doing canvasing and door knocking. Had planned on going to our Nevada State Democratic Convention by hook or crook. One last big hurrah. And be damned if I am going to support some lame ass retreaded Republican. Doing this one for the Grand Kids.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)dougolat
(716 posts)zazen
(2,978 posts)Or supporting a primary contender? Or somehow lobbying visible donors in her district?
I think petitions are ignored until a lot of noise is made in her district, but I don't know the area down there at all. Maybe a native could tell us?
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)It's a tactic that is often overlooked, but it ties up the phone lines and keeps the office staff busy and gets their attention.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Delete/delete/delete/call back/delete/delete/take message/call back/delete....etc.
You can sometimes get more work done when a phone bomb is going on--you have an excuse for not answering the phone.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)and it can make the lines run slower.
MADem
(135,425 posts)You can do what you want, all I'm saying is it might not resonate as you might hope.
If you aren't a constituent, they just don't care. What's your zip code? Not in her district? Who cares what you think.
That's not just her, that's every House member.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)Perhaps a bit off topic and not directed at only elected officials, but private entities as well. Your points are well taken.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)so far.
PADemD
(4,482 posts)Duppers
(28,125 posts)Calling her office tomorrow.
Chef Eric
(1,024 posts)NBachers
(17,117 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)because this is primary politics and SHE'S the one making the debate decisions (she's not, but we'll pretend that that she is and there really isn't the .001% represented by the Clinton political machine pulling her puppet strings).
If she thinks it's bad now just wait.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)She knows he was telling the truth
Baitball Blogger
(46,725 posts)Last edited Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:18 PM - Edit history (1)
They will win voters if their message defines them as the anti-Republican party
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)the same old spells lack of voter interest. That means
the repugs will vote and the dems stay home.
Baitball Blogger
(46,725 posts)I agree with O'Malley. I am old enough to remember what Democratic ideals were before they got striangulated.
PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)in 2014. I mean, they were both so bad no one really knew what they stood for. The REAL Democratic message is Bernie - if we have candidates that are talking the way he does and then walk the walk when they get elected, they will KEEP getting elected.
Baitball Blogger
(46,725 posts)It's funny how people are reading different things in my post. I essentially said don't water down the Democratic platform.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)"We're not as bad and evil as the crazies over there...and by the way, you don't have another choice."
We need to be more than Anti-Republicans- we need to be Democrats.
Baitball Blogger
(46,725 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)don't you ever want to stand for something? To not be defined by your opponent, but by your actions?
Baitball Blogger
(46,725 posts)I assumed that everyone knows that Wasserman-Shultz is catering to the conservative Democrats, which is why she would be uncomfortable with O'Malley's speech. And not just conservative Democrats, but those Republicans who would be willing to reach out to any Democrat who is willing to save Wall Street's ass.
Too much reaching out across the aisle ends up diluting the Democratic platform. Therefore, stick to the true Democratic ideals, which in the end, are anti-Republican.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,725 posts)I meant "rein in."
I guess it comes down to what people see when someone says "Democratic party." Are they longing for the traditional, labor friendly platform? Or the current pro-corporate one?
The way I see it, Democratic ideals took a right turn during the triangulating years of the 90s. Whatever we have today is not where we should be. So, there is no reason to "rein in" the platform any further.
But, I can see how "there is no reason for the Democratic party to reign in their ideas" if they don't return to their roots.
I hope that makes everything perfectly clear.
merrily
(45,251 posts)Lorien
(31,935 posts)we intend to vote FOR a candidate this time around, not against the opposition. The old tricks won't work anymore.
Baitball Blogger
(46,725 posts)I would say that Bernie Sanders is the candidate that best represents the Democratic ideas that I had in mind.
But you should also recognize that Republicans have alienated voters. They will not find new blood in the next election, especially among minorities. So, don't be afraid to take advantage of the anti-Republican sentiment.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Whatdyagonna tell-ah your MOney!
Whatdyagonna tell-ah your PAC?
Whatyagonna tell-ah your Voters when they say
"We're tired of YOU, YOU HACK!"
Oh, wake up, a little debbie
Divernan
(15,480 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)We should have a parody group here, so I can get really inspired.
If you're a Mike Malloy Program listener, last night's 3rd hour had a real Doozy about Donald Trump (to the tune of the Mickey Mouse Club Song)
I hope the video gets posted of THAT one!
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)bigtree
(85,998 posts)jalan48
(13,869 posts)But let's all pretend it's a level playing field, because?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)At least that is what we are told...fear works.
It is like the cattle prod...the cattle move through the gate for fear of it.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)V0ltairesGh0st
(306 posts)No handshake, no smile, no look ...nothing. Otherwise everything you just said in that speech seems kind of wish washy.
demwing
(16,916 posts)you know O'Malley will get some mileage outta THAT image.
fbc
(1,668 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)is firmly planted in the Hillary camp now.
1monster
(11,012 posts)he was acting out a Hollywood scene in a movie where the main character politian hits the ball out of park?
Content: A
Delivery: C
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)just too polished and rehearsed for my taste
i agree with much of what omalley says but for some reason i just don't trust him
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)He was in the Lioness's Den, "DWS's house" so to speak, when he delivered that and he didn't flinch from making his delivery. And if we consider the context, then maybe that polished Hollywood vibe wasn't so off key, it keeps the message from sounding needlessly harsh and in your face.
EEO
(1,620 posts)AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Before my time, some years ago, the grass-roots Democrats in California rebelled and demanded that local Democratic clubs have close to an equal say, equal input into the running of the state party. I don't know exactly what happened or even exactly what changes were made. But it certainly is good to be a member of an active, local club in California because California encourages grass-roots participation in the Democratic Party.
It seems to me that we need that kind of rebellion in the national Democratic Party.
That Democrats are holding only 6 debates total, only 4 before Iowa is scandalous.
O'Malley says it very well.
I am supporting Bernie Sanders at this time, but I am very impressed by O'Malley too.
It took great courage to stand up at that meeting and tell the so-called leadership of the Democratic Party that they are wrong to hand to the Republicans the big coverage on prime-time news for the numerous Republican debates while we Democrats sit on the sidelines.
Of course we all see that the Democratic top-dogs are favoring the nomination of Hillary. This favoritism will work to the detriment not just of other candidates, not even just of the Democratic Party, but of the nation.
If the Republicans win in 2016, that O'Malley speech will be played and played and discussed over and over in Democratic circles.
Every debate not held will mean less (need I mention it -- free?) coverage in the news for all of the Democratic candidates and as O'Malley points out, for Democratic ideas and values.
Of course, if you have Clinton's ability to sell yourself to wealthy and corporate donors and you have lots of money to waste on buying prime-time ads, I suppose you don't care about the fact that other candidates and Democratic ideas are left to buy ad time squeezed between programming (dishwashing time at my house growing up) on national TV. You don't care that the Republicans are going to eat up the news hours with gossip about the crazy stands their outlandish candidates take on stage in their debates. You only care about winning the nomination even if it does mean coming as close to silencing your fellow candidates as much as possilble.
The DNC and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz failed miserably in the 2014 election.
They are getting ready for yet another really bad fail, and limiting the numbed of debates to six and delaying two of those six until after the Iowa primary -- really cheating America -- is a step toward that failure.
Limiting some voters in the crucial, early states to seeing our candidates on the stage together only four times before they vote. Limiting all Americans to seeing only six Democratic debates.
We need more debates, and we need them earlier.
Six is not enough for us to compare the candidates' views, debating ability and personalities.
This is really wrong, and I am so grateful to Martin O'Malley for pointing it out. He took a big risk. He probably stepped on some pretty big toes.
So, thanks, Governor O'Malley for speaking up for all of us.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Is this schedule so unprecedented? I know eight years ago we had close to 30 and it was frickin ridiculous. But what about previous years?
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)and they had already had 20 or more...... so apparently........ 20 wasn't "frickin ridiculous" enough,
https://web.archive.org/web/20080501015714/http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/ncdebates/
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Evidently you neither know nor care.
I found the debates ridiculous to watch as a viewer. They were nothing but a series of 45 second sound bites. If you want to discuss Hillary's view on debates, take it up with her.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)It is about how they handle the unexpected questions.
Also most of the debates are somewhat local in nature and the local journalists often ask questions that wouldn't even occur to the network journalists.
post 1980- .....2016 would have the fewest number of debates
PRIMARY DEBATES
DEM
1980
1984 11
1988 22
1992 12
1996
2000 9
2004 15
2008 25
2012
2016 6
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)in that look and thought totally fine and he earned that look and she was fine.
BUT.... i thank you. i listened to one of his speeches a couple months ago. i liked what he was saying, but i was really uncomfortable with his delivery. i really appreciate watching this one. much more smooth and fun adn connected. not disjointed at all, like the last one
what he was saying was awesomely great as he smiled delivering it and thought dws fine too. how else would she take it?
part of her job as dnc person
demmiblue
(36,860 posts)This debate schedule is doing nothing but harm to the Democratic Party in general. WTF is DWS thinking?!
Also, why isn't Hillary speaking out against this? I think she would score a lot of points if she would come out against the DNC's debate plan. To me, she looks kind of weak, like she is simply accepting political charity. We need a fighter, not a passive recipient of political favors.
Bravo, sir!
HassleCat
(6,409 posts)When you have a designated front runner, some would say an anointed candidate, you play it safe. The less exposure during the primaries, the better. More debates only give the Republicans more opportunities to catch the designated front runner frowning, with her mouth wide open, stumbling over a word, thinking out loud, etc. The mainstream party sees no point, and no gain, in holding more debates. More only means "more dangerous" in their estimation. O'Malley knows this, of course, even though he's questioning it. Even though the DNC has nothing against him, except the fact he's making the road bumpy for Clinton, they're shutting him out. They might even feel a little guilty about it, about appearing so undemocratic, and un-Democratic, but they're probably not going to agree to more debates.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)and if it was she is worse and more insulated than we think.
She should have been prepared enough to smile, hug him and be gracious.
Sour grapes.
He was amazingly good.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)DWS loses her power.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)And DWS needs to be gone regardless. How can anyone justify the retention of Democratic Party leadership after the totally feckless 2014 campaign???
MisterP
(23,730 posts)it wasn't its fault or hers that the voters didn't respond!
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Well, it's not actually bad for her (she looks fine), but that rueful look is going to achieve some degree of fame.
delrem
(9,688 posts)After hashing out an agreement.
That should be a no-brainer.
I notice that the only DUers who aren't appalled by this decision are HRC supporters, who disingenuously also claim that the decision doesn't work to HRC's advantage. That's to be expected, especially so after all we've seen - but it shows how rigged the politics is.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)Maybe people honestly don't see it, she's not just seen as the party's (inevitable) candidate.
She's The Party's Candidate, so of course we're just helping ourselves by helping her campaign.
That kind of thinking has a historical precedent of being iffy.
*"because for years I thought what was good for our country was good for General Motors, and vice versa"
That appears to be the actual quote.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)is that every poll show DUers favor Bernie over Hillary by a minimum of a 5-1 margin. The HRC people make the most noise, but if you notice, it's mainly just a very few people doing most of the jabbering. I'm trying to ignore them now, as best I can. I'm not perfect, however.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)lol
PatrickforO
(14,576 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I agree one hundred percent with O'Malley.
I'm still leaning heavily toward voting for O'Malley or Sanders. I also would like to see how Hillary does in them too. I would like more debates!
The only 'cure' for democracy is more democracy!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)she needs to go.
juajen
(8,515 posts)Everybody is not taken by the rubble they're trying to decorate her with. It's very hard to be a woman in politics
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's negatives have nothing to do with her gender and everything to do with the crap-ass positions she's taken.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)DWS is not one of them.
Much of the rubble is from 2014. She decorated herself.
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Thanks a lot for that, Deb!
She has GOT to go.
Uncle Joe
(58,364 posts)Thanks for the thread, bigtree.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)O'Malley is correct. There should be MORE debates, not fewer of them. Debates that discuss real issues.
Why is the DNC against them? I often wonder. (NOT!)
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Yet.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)AzDar
(14,023 posts)Sanders/O'Malley 2016!!!
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)I no longer give money to the DNC since she took over. We lost in 2014 and that's when she should have been replaced. She is either the poorest excuse for a leader or a paid puppet.
Either way, she needs to go and go immediately before she loses all federal elected offices in 2016. What a waste of a human being!
Hulk
(6,699 posts)She is a disaster, and we are taking on water fast with her at the helm. PLEASE, dump this chair person before she flushes the whole future of the party down the shitter.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Feeling the Bern
(3,839 posts)phleshdef
(11,936 posts)And Hillary Clinton of course is invited. This would make the DNC irrelevant.
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)Ever thought of stepping aside for someone more, I dunno... competent?
CrispyQ
(36,471 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 30, 2015, 05:16 PM - Edit history (1)
http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democratsI visit once a week to register my complaint against DWS as head. I also take the time to rant about other issues I have with the dems, for all the good it does. But I still do it.
on edit: That was good! Watch it people! It's less than 2 minutes.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)"Their are insiders and outsiders."
Debbie Wasserman Schulz is an insider and doesn't give two shits about any outsider. (The last sentence isn't Thom it's me.)
OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)great speeches. It took guts to say all he said right upfront to the DNC.
I hope they listen to him, it is the root of us not winning in '14 and more.
He gave me some hope. We have two great candidates: Bernie and O'Malley and they are saying what the we need, what the people want. The Democratic Party had better wake up, drop the corporate hacks and campaign on who we are not what they third wayers want. Take out party back!