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(85,998 posts)
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:07 PM Aug 2015

O'Malley and Wasserman after scathing speech: 'Awkward'

Elliott Schwartz @elliosch
awkward



The Hill ‏@thehill
DNC chair gives Martin O’Malley death stare after scathing speech http://hill.cm/WcKilA6

watch: https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/637345383434330112



from the NYT:

"Accusing party leaders of trying to keep Democratic ideas hidden as the Republican presidential candidates spew “racist hate” from their debate lecterns, Mr. O’Malley, the former Maryland governor and mayor of Baltimore, questioned the decision to hold “four debates and four debates only” before the first four states finish voting.

“This is totally unprecedented in our party’s history,” Mr. O’Malley said. “This sort of rigged process has never been attempted before. Whose decree is it exactly? Where did it come from? To what end? For what purpose? What national or party interest does this decree serve? How does this help us tell the story of the last eight years of Democratic progress?”"


Watch Martin O'Malley DNC Speech (advance vid to 28:00) : http://omly.us/dnc-meeting #WeNeedDebate
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O'Malley and Wasserman after scathing speech: 'Awkward' (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2015 OP
I suspect it was interesting backstage Armstead Aug 2015 #1
Gov. O'Malley earned my eternal respect with that speech! tularetom Aug 2015 #2
+1 ruffburr Aug 2015 #3
+1 from me too shireen Aug 2015 #11
+1 artislife Aug 2015 #19
Yup. I liked him before, but that was balls out! Ed Suspicious Aug 2015 #25
Yup! O'Malley fredamae Aug 2015 #33
Same here. Although I lean heavily towards Bernie, Martin Purveyor Aug 2015 #42
one that I will be watching quite closely. AlbertCat Aug 2015 #123
Debbie Republican Schultz is not all there is. merrily Aug 2015 #43
This is a handy list, thank you... elzenmahn Aug 2015 #96
I'm curious if she actually checks her facebook page. Bubzer Aug 2015 #109
I go here once a week to register my complaints: CrispyQ Aug 2015 #120
I might haave to do that too. Bubzer Aug 2015 #126
Interesting-- thanks Fast Walker 52 Aug 2015 #115
+1 This shit they are doing is undemocratic. L0oniX Aug 2015 #45
Agreed MissDeeds Aug 2015 #68
Who knows if it won't change a thing? We must stand up against cynicism itself, not only against Voice for Peace Aug 2015 #90
Time to take the hint DWS kacekwl Aug 2015 #122
He's Awesome. It's Called The Truth People! billhicks76 Aug 2015 #83
I feel the same way! And I can't stand DWS. yardwork Aug 2015 #94
+1 Bubzer Aug 2015 #106
K&R hedgehog Aug 2015 #4
If looks could what ever! Wellstone ruled Aug 2015 #5
No she gets it. zeemike Aug 2015 #26
Agree,after reading some of her speechs and couple of her Op-Ed's, Wellstone ruled Aug 2015 #31
sand she will do just fine DonCoquixote Aug 2015 #65
I agree Wellstone tartan2 Aug 2015 #71
This could be my last Presidential Wellstone ruled Aug 2015 #77
That's what I was going to say, "She gets it. She just does not care." Enthusiast Aug 2015 #41
Neither are anointings. merrily Aug 2015 #47
Please sign the petitions Lorien Aug 2015 #6
Done, and done! ...thanks....nt dougolat Aug 2015 #35
...+1 840high Aug 2015 #39
done & done; plus, do you think mass calling of her FL offices would help? zazen Aug 2015 #48
Mass callings never hurt. WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2015 #87
They'll just send everything to voicemail and screen. MADem Aug 2015 #117
But not all office staffs are created equal WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2015 #128
She has extra staff because of her duties. MADem Aug 2015 #129
I was speaking in general terms for using mass callings. WHEN CRABS ROAR Aug 2015 #130
On board,thanks Wellstone ruled Aug 2015 #56
I'm in. Thanks for the links! Purveyor Aug 2015 #69
5,179 signatures Iwillnevergiveup Aug 2015 #73
Done and done PADemD Aug 2015 #84
Done & done. Duppers Aug 2015 #113
O.K., signed them. Thanks. nt Chef Eric Aug 2015 #116
She had to step up to the podium after that verbal spanking, and she was not happy about it. NBachers Aug 2015 #7
Well, then, she needs to get on her big girl panties Le Taz Hot Aug 2015 #18
Debbie looked flustered bigdarryl Aug 2015 #8
There is no reason for the Democratic party to rein in their ideas. Baitball Blogger Aug 2015 #9
I disagree. The same old sadoldgirl Aug 2015 #20
Just to be sure we understand each other, Baitball Blogger Aug 2015 #36
I don't know. I live in Colorado and watched Udall and Romanoff run these lame campaigns PatrickforO Aug 2015 #74
Not disagreeing with you. Baitball Blogger Aug 2015 #97
And how is that working lately? Hydra Aug 2015 #22
True Democratic ideals are anti-Republican by their very nature. Baitball Blogger Aug 2015 #37
My bad, I read your comment as "We only have to be a little better than Republicans" n/t Hydra Aug 2015 #70
You bet. That's why I'm supporting Bernie. He's more of a Democrat than the Democrats. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #75
So we're Con-cons (anti-Conservatives)? demwing Aug 2015 #24
For crying out loud. Baitball Blogger Aug 2015 #40
"Rein" and "reign" work almost equally well in that sentence. merrily Aug 2015 #49
I see your point. Baitball Blogger Aug 2015 #62
I was clear from the jump. I knew you meant "rein," though you used "reign." merrily Aug 2015 #63
Wrong. People have HAD IT with voting for the lesser of evils Lorien Aug 2015 #92
The subject of my post stated that the Democratic Party should not rein in their ideas. Baitball Blogger Aug 2015 #99
Ah-Wake Up, Ah-Little Debbeeeee! MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #10
Doozy of the year award. Excellent! Divernan Aug 2015 #12
Why, thanks, Divernan... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #30
Internets Owned. L0oniX Aug 2015 #51
"Scathing"? Hardly. It was a snoozer. George II Aug 2015 #13
better than that bigtree Aug 2015 #17
Insider politics and Hillary is a big time insider. jalan48 Aug 2015 #14
Because if we don't the crazy will win. zeemike Aug 2015 #28
DWS, An R in D clothes. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2015 #15
After that I would have walked Cold past her. V0ltairesGh0st Aug 2015 #16
Well, he did get her to roll her eyes, lol demwing Aug 2015 #27
White House petition to remove Debbie Wasserman Schultz fbc Aug 2015 #21
I would like Howard Dean back ASAP Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #23
... MrMickeysMom Aug 2015 #32
Howard Dean beltanefauve Aug 2015 #46
Okay, I agree with what he said, but did anyone else get the feeling that 1monster Aug 2015 #29
i always get that feeling questionseverything Aug 2015 #52
You have a point about it having some of that feel but maybe add an "A" for Context Babel_17 Aug 2015 #64
Yeah. I found him to be almost insincere because of his overacting. EEO Aug 2015 #98
Excellent AuntPatsy Aug 2015 #34
Wpw! O'Malley's speech was great. JDPriestly Aug 2015 #38
What are the average number of debates in a primary season? BainsBane Aug 2015 #44
When Hillary was behind in the polls in 2008, she was pushing for more debates virtualobserver Aug 2015 #102
That wasn't what I asked BainsBane Aug 2015 #105
It isn't just about the words, although it would be less ridiculous if Hillary was less scripted. virtualobserver Aug 2015 #108
lol lol lol. i think it was great. not gonna assign something on her. i so saw what she was sayin seabeyond Aug 2015 #50
I like him... challenging the establishment dems is a good thing. demmiblue Aug 2015 #53
Rhetorical questions, of course HassleCat Aug 2015 #54
None of this should have been a surprise to her MuseRider Aug 2015 #55
If Clinton loses left-of-center2012 Aug 2015 #57
Martin should have Debbie's job. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2015 #58
Good for him ibegurpard Aug 2015 #59
they genuinely think her strategy was perfect: MisterP Aug 2015 #112
Houston, a new meme has landed Babel_17 Aug 2015 #60
Decisions like that ought to be carried out only after consultation with all candidates. delrem Aug 2015 #61
"What's good for General Motors is good for the country"* Babel_17 Aug 2015 #66
What makes me feel better Elmer S. E. Dump Aug 2015 #85
O’Malley says ... Babel_17 Aug 2015 #67
O'Malley probably didn't need ice for his drink, that's for sure. PatrickforO Aug 2015 #72
I too would appreciate more transparency on this! lovemydog Aug 2015 #76
I think she knows how widely she is disliked. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #78
Really. She is not widely disliked juajen Aug 2015 #95
oh, baloney. Plenty of women in politics don't advocate arresting medical marijuana users. Warren DeMontague Aug 2015 #100
There are many competent women in politics. Gore1FL Aug 2015 #121
Good for O'Malley! Good speech. mountain grammy Aug 2015 #79
"...unprecedented in our party's history." SoapBox Aug 2015 #80
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2015 #81
Awesome thread- thanks again Tree! bettyellen Aug 2015 #82
Good! RoccoR5955 Aug 2015 #86
It is war, and so many HC supporters do not know it. Puzzledtraveller Aug 2015 #88
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2015 #89
Like what he says, but creepy smile is creepy. nt Bonobo Aug 2015 #91
DWS should GTFO, IMNSHO... AzDar Aug 2015 #93
Opps underthematrix Aug 2015 #101
Wasserman is little more than a vacant shill emsimon33 Aug 2015 #103
Oh please....whoever is in charge...CAN that pathetic woman. Hulk Aug 2015 #104
She looks angry Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2015 #107
SAnders/O'Malley 2016 Feeling the Bern Aug 2015 #110
Sanders, O'Malley, Webb and Chafee should start organizing and participating in debates NOW. phleshdef Aug 2015 #111
Sorry you suck at your job, Debs. Jester Messiah Aug 2015 #114
K&R Scuba Aug 2015 #118
This is the only page of the DNC I ever visit: CrispyQ Aug 2015 #119
Like Thom Hartmann sez....... Puglover Aug 2015 #124
Signed OnionPatch Aug 2015 #125
Wow that was one of the Nite Owl Aug 2015 #127

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
2. Gov. O'Malley earned my eternal respect with that speech!
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:17 PM
Aug 2015

It was necessary to demonstrate that there is a lot of unhappiness with the way the Democratic party is being run.

And particularly with DWS as the chair.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
33. Yup! O'Malley
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:24 PM
Aug 2015

definitely spoke Bluntly on my behalf...and I do appreciate that.....because I have been saying, almost verbatim, the Same things as I have tried for several YEARS to get the DNC/DSCC and even my Own State Dem leadership to Hear my (our) complaints. I get hung up on...it goes no further, but Sanders and O'Malley have a Mic...
Thank you, Martin and Bernie!

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
42. Same here. Although I lean heavily towards Bernie, Martin
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:02 PM
Aug 2015

is one that I will be watching quite closely. These are the types that are needed to clean house at the DNC so we can start winning elections again.

Should Clinton get the nomination, 2016 will be a disaster for we Dems..

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
123. one that I will be watching quite closely.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:27 AM
Aug 2015

Exactly!



"Should Clinton get the nomination, 2016 will be a disaster for we Dems.. "
I wasn't thinking so earlier, but as things progress, I'm thinking this very same thing too.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
43. Debbie Republican Schultz is not all there is.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:05 PM
Aug 2015

Neither are these people, I suspect.

Current DNC leadership

National Chair: Debbie Wasserman Schultz[10]
Vice Chairs:
Tulsi Gabbard, U.S. Representative from Hawaii[10]
Maria Elena Durazo, Executive Secretary–Treasurer of the AFL-CIO[10]
Donna Brazile, political analyst, campaign manager for Al Gore's 2000 presidential campaign
Raymond Buckley, President of the Association of State Democratic Chairs, Chair of the New Hampshire Democratic Party
R. T. Rybak, former Mayor of Minneapolis, Minnesota
Executive Director: Amy Dacey
Treasurer: Andrew Tobias, businessman, author, and financial self-help guru
Secretary: Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, Mayor of Baltimore[11]
Communications Director: Mo Eliethee[12]
National Finance Chair: Henry Muñoz III[10]

In addition, a National Advisory Board exists for purposes of fundraising and advising the executive. The present chair is Elizabeth Frawley Bagley, former U.S. Ambassador to Portugal.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee

elzenmahn

(904 posts)
96. This is a handy list, thank you...
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:26 PM
Aug 2015

...and could help ensure that the rot, which starts at the top, can be rooted out.

Dump Debbie Weasleman Schiltz!

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
109. I'm curious if she actually checks her facebook page.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:48 AM
Aug 2015

If anyone wants to send her a message, perhaps try to get her to loosen those draconian restrictions on the debates, they can find her page here: https://www.facebook.com/RepDWS?fref=ts

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
115. Interesting-- thanks
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 08:27 AM
Aug 2015

I know Tulsi Gabbard has some issues, and is not very liberal. I wonder who the real power is there. I always liked Donna Brazile but she is from that old DLC school. Don't really know the leanings of the others.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
68. Agreed
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:47 PM
Aug 2015

He said what needed to be said and it took courage and conviction to say it. Unfortunately, it won't change a damn thing.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
90. Who knows if it won't change a thing? We must stand up against cynicism itself, not only against
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:26 PM
Aug 2015

stupid and dishonest people.

Cynicism -- even if it's justified and understandable --
leads to apathy and inaction.

I have a firm policy of Just-Say-No to discouraging POV's.
They are contagious, not helpful, and not even necessarily
realistic.

I hope you do not take this as a criticism, I don't mean
it that way, but can not accept that line of thinking; it's
a discourager. Change is possible, and inevitable, but
cynicism and doubt are minions of ignorance, aka the
proverbial devil.

If we want to make progress, leave no room for doubt
that it's possible.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
83. He's Awesome. It's Called The Truth People!
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 07:20 PM
Aug 2015

I wonder if Debbie will ever acknowledge the electronic vote tabulator inconsistencies in the South?

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
5. If looks could what ever!
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 12:34 PM
Aug 2015

Debbie Wasserman is in trouble and she just does not get it. But,we now see the real DNC for what it is,and it sure is not so called main stream oriented. My question is,do these folks not get it,Wall Street is not going to cut it.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
26. No she gets it.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:10 PM
Aug 2015

She just don't care. It is about power and maintaining it what ever the cost.
The end justifies the means to these kind of people.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
31. Agree,after reading some of her speechs and couple of her Op-Ed's,
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:23 PM
Aug 2015

tells one the Party Leadership is interested in only the immediate and what did you do for me yesterday. Unless there is a Tsunami in our Party,we will lose this whole damn thing,and if Wasserman-Shultz freezes out Bernie from the debates,I predict a major defeat for our Party and our Nation headed to a major Institutional collapse.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
65. sand she will do just fine
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:29 PM
Aug 2015

because the GOP knows a good servant when they see one. DWS should be thankful all the TOs does not allow me to express the truth about what she is.

tartan2

(314 posts)
71. I agree Wellstone
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 05:42 PM
Aug 2015

This country will not survive another Republican in the White House along with a Republican controlled Congress, and it scares the hell right out of me!

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
77. This could be my last Presidential
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 06:13 PM
Aug 2015

election cycle that I am able to be effective in doing canvasing and door knocking. Had planned on going to our Nevada State Democratic Convention by hook or crook. One last big hurrah. And be damned if I am going to support some lame ass retreaded Republican. Doing this one for the Grand Kids.

zazen

(2,978 posts)
48. done & done; plus, do you think mass calling of her FL offices would help?
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:09 PM
Aug 2015

Or supporting a primary contender? Or somehow lobbying visible donors in her district?

I think petitions are ignored until a lot of noise is made in her district, but I don't know the area down there at all. Maybe a native could tell us?

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
87. Mass callings never hurt.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 07:36 PM
Aug 2015

It's a tactic that is often overlooked, but it ties up the phone lines and keeps the office staff busy and gets their attention.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
117. They'll just send everything to voicemail and screen.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 09:46 AM
Aug 2015

Delete/delete/delete/call back/delete/delete/take message/call back/delete....etc.

You can sometimes get more work done when a phone bomb is going on--you have an excuse for not answering the phone.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
129. She has extra staff because of her duties.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:12 PM
Aug 2015

You can do what you want, all I'm saying is it might not resonate as you might hope.

If you aren't a constituent, they just don't care. What's your zip code? Not in her district? Who cares what you think.

That's not just her, that's every House member.

WHEN CRABS ROAR

(3,813 posts)
130. I was speaking in general terms for using mass callings.
Mon Aug 31, 2015, 01:16 PM
Aug 2015

Perhaps a bit off topic and not directed at only elected officials, but private entities as well. Your points are well taken.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
18. Well, then, she needs to get on her big girl panties
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:30 PM
Aug 2015

because this is primary politics and SHE'S the one making the debate decisions (she's not, but we'll pretend that that she is and there really isn't the .001% represented by the Clinton political machine pulling her puppet strings).

If she thinks it's bad now just wait.

Baitball Blogger

(46,725 posts)
9. There is no reason for the Democratic party to rein in their ideas.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:06 PM
Aug 2015

Last edited Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:18 PM - Edit history (1)

They will win voters if their message defines them as the anti-Republican party

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
20. I disagree. The same old
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:39 PM
Aug 2015

the same old spells lack of voter interest. That means
the repugs will vote and the dems stay home.

Baitball Blogger

(46,725 posts)
36. Just to be sure we understand each other,
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:31 PM
Aug 2015

I agree with O'Malley. I am old enough to remember what Democratic ideals were before they got striangulated.

PatrickforO

(14,576 posts)
74. I don't know. I live in Colorado and watched Udall and Romanoff run these lame campaigns
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 06:05 PM
Aug 2015

in 2014. I mean, they were both so bad no one really knew what they stood for. The REAL Democratic message is Bernie - if we have candidates that are talking the way he does and then walk the walk when they get elected, they will KEEP getting elected.

Baitball Blogger

(46,725 posts)
97. Not disagreeing with you.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:45 PM
Aug 2015

It's funny how people are reading different things in my post. I essentially said don't water down the Democratic platform.

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
22. And how is that working lately?
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:51 PM
Aug 2015

"We're not as bad and evil as the crazies over there...and by the way, you don't have another choice."

We need to be more than Anti-Republicans- we need to be Democrats.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
24. So we're Con-cons (anti-Conservatives)?
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:05 PM
Aug 2015

don't you ever want to stand for something? To not be defined by your opponent, but by your actions?

Baitball Blogger

(46,725 posts)
40. For crying out loud.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:39 PM
Aug 2015

I assumed that everyone knows that Wasserman-Shultz is catering to the conservative Democrats, which is why she would be uncomfortable with O'Malley's speech. And not just conservative Democrats, but those Republicans who would be willing to reach out to any Democrat who is willing to save Wall Street's ass.

Too much reaching out across the aisle ends up diluting the Democratic platform. Therefore, stick to the true Democratic ideals, which in the end, are anti-Republican.

Baitball Blogger

(46,725 posts)
62. I see your point.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:17 PM
Aug 2015

I meant "rein in."

I guess it comes down to what people see when someone says "Democratic party." Are they longing for the traditional, labor friendly platform? Or the current pro-corporate one?

The way I see it, Democratic ideals took a right turn during the triangulating years of the 90s. Whatever we have today is not where we should be. So, there is no reason to "rein in" the platform any further.

But, I can see how "there is no reason for the Democratic party to reign in their ideas" if they don't return to their roots.

I hope that makes everything perfectly clear.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
92. Wrong. People have HAD IT with voting for the lesser of evils
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 08:33 PM
Aug 2015

we intend to vote FOR a candidate this time around, not against the opposition. The old tricks won't work anymore.

Baitball Blogger

(46,725 posts)
99. The subject of my post stated that the Democratic Party should not rein in their ideas.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:54 PM
Aug 2015

I would say that Bernie Sanders is the candidate that best represents the Democratic ideas that I had in mind.

But you should also recognize that Republicans have alienated voters. They will not find new blood in the next election, especially among minorities. So, don't be afraid to take advantage of the anti-Republican sentiment.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
10. Ah-Wake Up, Ah-Little Debbeeeee!
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:07 PM
Aug 2015

Whatdyagonna tell-ah your MOney!

Whatdyagonna tell-ah your PAC?

Whatyagonna tell-ah your Voters when they say…

"We're tired of YOU, YOU HACK!"

Oh, wake up, a little debbie…

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
30. Why, thanks, Divernan...
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:23 PM
Aug 2015

We should have a parody group here, so I can get really inspired.

If you're a Mike Malloy Program listener, last night's 3rd hour had a real Doozy about Donald Trump (to the tune of the Mickey Mouse Club Song)…

I hope the video gets posted of THAT one!

jalan48

(13,869 posts)
14. Insider politics and Hillary is a big time insider.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:24 PM
Aug 2015

But let's all pretend it's a level playing field, because?

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
28. Because if we don't the crazy will win.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:19 PM
Aug 2015

At least that is what we are told...fear works.
It is like the cattle prod...the cattle move through the gate for fear of it.

 

V0ltairesGh0st

(306 posts)
16. After that I would have walked Cold past her.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 01:27 PM
Aug 2015

No handshake, no smile, no look ...nothing. Otherwise everything you just said in that speech seems kind of wish washy.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
27. Well, he did get her to roll her eyes, lol
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:10 PM
Aug 2015

you know O'Malley will get some mileage outta THAT image.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
29. Okay, I agree with what he said, but did anyone else get the feeling that
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:21 PM
Aug 2015

he was acting out a Hollywood scene in a movie where the main character politian hits the ball out of park?

Content: A
Delivery: C

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
52. i always get that feeling
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:14 PM
Aug 2015

just too polished and rehearsed for my taste

i agree with much of what omalley says but for some reason i just don't trust him

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
64. You have a point about it having some of that feel but maybe add an "A" for Context
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:22 PM
Aug 2015

He was in the Lioness's Den, "DWS's house" so to speak, when he delivered that and he didn't flinch from making his delivery. And if we consider the context, then maybe that polished Hollywood vibe wasn't so off key, it keeps the message from sounding needlessly harsh and in your face.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
38. Wpw! O'Malley's speech was great.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 02:35 PM
Aug 2015

Before my time, some years ago, the grass-roots Democrats in California rebelled and demanded that local Democratic clubs have close to an equal say, equal input into the running of the state party. I don't know exactly what happened or even exactly what changes were made. But it certainly is good to be a member of an active, local club in California because California encourages grass-roots participation in the Democratic Party.

It seems to me that we need that kind of rebellion in the national Democratic Party.

That Democrats are holding only 6 debates total, only 4 before Iowa is scandalous.

O'Malley says it very well.

I am supporting Bernie Sanders at this time, but I am very impressed by O'Malley too.

It took great courage to stand up at that meeting and tell the so-called leadership of the Democratic Party that they are wrong to hand to the Republicans the big coverage on prime-time news for the numerous Republican debates while we Democrats sit on the sidelines.

Of course we all see that the Democratic top-dogs are favoring the nomination of Hillary. This favoritism will work to the detriment not just of other candidates, not even just of the Democratic Party, but of the nation.

If the Republicans win in 2016, that O'Malley speech will be played and played and discussed over and over in Democratic circles.

Every debate not held will mean less (need I mention it -- free?) coverage in the news for all of the Democratic candidates and as O'Malley points out, for Democratic ideas and values.

Of course, if you have Clinton's ability to sell yourself to wealthy and corporate donors and you have lots of money to waste on buying prime-time ads, I suppose you don't care about the fact that other candidates and Democratic ideas are left to buy ad time squeezed between programming (dishwashing time at my house growing up) on national TV. You don't care that the Republicans are going to eat up the news hours with gossip about the crazy stands their outlandish candidates take on stage in their debates. You only care about winning the nomination even if it does mean coming as close to silencing your fellow candidates as much as possilble.

The DNC and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz failed miserably in the 2014 election.

They are getting ready for yet another really bad fail, and limiting the numbed of debates to six and delaying two of those six until after the Iowa primary -- really cheating America -- is a step toward that failure.

Limiting some voters in the crucial, early states to seeing our candidates on the stage together only four times before they vote. Limiting all Americans to seeing only six Democratic debates.

We need more debates, and we need them earlier.

Six is not enough for us to compare the candidates' views, debating ability and personalities.

This is really wrong, and I am so grateful to Martin O'Malley for pointing it out. He took a big risk. He probably stepped on some pretty big toes.

So, thanks, Governor O'Malley for speaking up for all of us.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
44. What are the average number of debates in a primary season?
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:05 PM
Aug 2015

Is this schedule so unprecedented? I know eight years ago we had close to 30 and it was frickin ridiculous. But what about previous years?

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
102. When Hillary was behind in the polls in 2008, she was pushing for more debates
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 11:47 PM
Aug 2015

and they had already had 20 or more...... so apparently........ 20 wasn't "frickin ridiculous" enough,

https://web.archive.org/web/20080501015714/http://www.hillaryclinton.com/action/ncdebates/

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
105. That wasn't what I asked
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:44 AM
Aug 2015

Evidently you neither know nor care.

I found the debates ridiculous to watch as a viewer. They were nothing but a series of 45 second sound bites. If you want to discuss Hillary's view on debates, take it up with her.


 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
108. It isn't just about the words, although it would be less ridiculous if Hillary was less scripted.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:46 AM
Aug 2015

It is about how they handle the unexpected questions.

Also most of the debates are somewhat local in nature and the local journalists often ask questions that wouldn't even occur to the network journalists.

post 1980- .....2016 would have the fewest number of debates


PRIMARY DEBATES
DEM
1980
1984 11
1988 22
1992 12
1996 —
2000 9
2004 15
2008 25
2012 —
2016 6

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
50. lol lol lol. i think it was great. not gonna assign something on her. i so saw what she was sayin
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:12 PM
Aug 2015

in that look and thought totally fine and he earned that look and she was fine.

BUT.... i thank you. i listened to one of his speeches a couple months ago. i liked what he was saying, but i was really uncomfortable with his delivery. i really appreciate watching this one. much more smooth and fun adn connected. not disjointed at all, like the last one

what he was saying was awesomely great as he smiled delivering it and thought dws fine too. how else would she take it?

part of her job as dnc person

demmiblue

(36,860 posts)
53. I like him... challenging the establishment dems is a good thing.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:20 PM
Aug 2015

This debate schedule is doing nothing but harm to the Democratic Party in general. WTF is DWS thinking?!

Also, why isn't Hillary speaking out against this? I think she would score a lot of points if she would come out against the DNC's debate plan. To me, she looks kind of weak, like she is simply accepting political charity. We need a fighter, not a passive recipient of political favors.

Bravo, sir!

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
54. Rhetorical questions, of course
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:22 PM
Aug 2015

When you have a designated front runner, some would say an anointed candidate, you play it safe. The less exposure during the primaries, the better. More debates only give the Republicans more opportunities to catch the designated front runner frowning, with her mouth wide open, stumbling over a word, thinking out loud, etc. The mainstream party sees no point, and no gain, in holding more debates. More only means "more dangerous" in their estimation. O'Malley knows this, of course, even though he's questioning it. Even though the DNC has nothing against him, except the fact he's making the road bumpy for Clinton, they're shutting him out. They might even feel a little guilty about it, about appearing so undemocratic, and un-Democratic, but they're probably not going to agree to more debates.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
55. None of this should have been a surprise to her
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:23 PM
Aug 2015

and if it was she is worse and more insulated than we think.

She should have been prepared enough to smile, hug him and be gracious.

Sour grapes.

He was amazingly good.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
59. Good for him
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:07 PM
Aug 2015

And DWS needs to be gone regardless. How can anyone justify the retention of Democratic Party leadership after the totally feckless 2014 campaign???

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
112. they genuinely think her strategy was perfect:
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 03:50 AM
Aug 2015

it wasn't its fault or hers that the voters didn't respond!

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
60. Houston, a new meme has landed
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:09 PM
Aug 2015

Well, it's not actually bad for her (she looks fine), but that rueful look is going to achieve some degree of fame.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
61. Decisions like that ought to be carried out only after consultation with all candidates.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:15 PM
Aug 2015

After hashing out an agreement.
That should be a no-brainer.

I notice that the only DUers who aren't appalled by this decision are HRC supporters, who disingenuously also claim that the decision doesn't work to HRC's advantage. That's to be expected, especially so after all we've seen - but it shows how rigged the politics is.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
66. "What's good for General Motors is good for the country"*
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 04:37 PM
Aug 2015

Maybe people honestly don't see it, she's not just seen as the party's (inevitable) candidate.
She's The Party's Candidate, so of course we're just helping ourselves by helping her campaign.
That kind of thinking has a historical precedent of being iffy.

*"because for years I thought what was good for our country was good for General Motors, and vice versa"

That appears to be the actual quote.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
85. What makes me feel better
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 07:28 PM
Aug 2015

is that every poll show DUers favor Bernie over Hillary by a minimum of a 5-1 margin. The HRC people make the most noise, but if you notice, it's mainly just a very few people doing most of the jabbering. I'm trying to ignore them now, as best I can. I'm not perfect, however.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
76. I too would appreciate more transparency on this!
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 06:07 PM
Aug 2015

I agree one hundred percent with O'Malley.

I'm still leaning heavily toward voting for O'Malley or Sanders. I also would like to see how Hillary does in them too. I would like more debates!

The only 'cure' for democracy is more democracy!

juajen

(8,515 posts)
95. Really. She is not widely disliked
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:17 PM
Aug 2015

Everybody is not taken by the rubble they're trying to decorate her with. It's very hard to be a woman in politics

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
100. oh, baloney. Plenty of women in politics don't advocate arresting medical marijuana users.
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 10:56 PM
Aug 2015

Debbie Wasserman-Schultz's negatives have nothing to do with her gender and everything to do with the crap-ass positions she's taken.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
121. There are many competent women in politics.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 10:44 AM
Aug 2015

DWS is not one of them.

Much of the rubble is from 2014. She decorated herself.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
86. Good!
Sat Aug 29, 2015, 07:35 PM
Aug 2015

O'Malley is correct. There should be MORE debates, not fewer of them. Debates that discuss real issues.
Why is the DNC against them? I often wonder. (NOT!)

emsimon33

(3,128 posts)
103. Wasserman is little more than a vacant shill
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:01 AM
Aug 2015

I no longer give money to the DNC since she took over. We lost in 2014 and that's when she should have been replaced. She is either the poorest excuse for a leader or a paid puppet.

Either way, she needs to go and go immediately before she loses all federal elected offices in 2016. What a waste of a human being!

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
104. Oh please....whoever is in charge...CAN that pathetic woman.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:13 AM
Aug 2015

She is a disaster, and we are taking on water fast with her at the helm. PLEASE, dump this chair person before she flushes the whole future of the party down the shitter.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
111. Sanders, O'Malley, Webb and Chafee should start organizing and participating in debates NOW.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 02:21 AM
Aug 2015

And Hillary Clinton of course is invited. This would make the DNC irrelevant.

 

Jester Messiah

(4,711 posts)
114. Sorry you suck at your job, Debs.
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 08:03 AM
Aug 2015

Ever thought of stepping aside for someone more, I dunno... competent?

CrispyQ

(36,471 posts)
119. This is the only page of the DNC I ever visit:
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 10:36 AM
Aug 2015

Last edited Sun Aug 30, 2015, 05:16 PM - Edit history (1)

http://my.democrats.org/page/s/contact-the-democrats

I visit once a week to register my complaint against DWS as head. I also take the time to rant about other issues I have with the dems, for all the good it does. But I still do it.

on edit: That was good! Watch it people! It's less than 2 minutes.

Puglover

(16,380 posts)
124. Like Thom Hartmann sez.......
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 11:36 AM
Aug 2015

"Their are insiders and outsiders."

Debbie Wasserman Schulz is an insider and doesn't give two shits about any outsider. (The last sentence isn't Thom it's me.)

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
127. Wow that was one of the
Sun Aug 30, 2015, 12:25 PM
Aug 2015

great speeches. It took guts to say all he said right upfront to the DNC.
I hope they listen to him, it is the root of us not winning in '14 and more.
He gave me some hope. We have two great candidates: Bernie and O'Malley and they are saying what the we need, what the people want. The Democratic Party had better wake up, drop the corporate hacks and campaign on who we are not what they third wayers want. Take out party back!

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