Rep. Joaquin Castro Questions Sanders' Commitment to Latino Community

[TexasTowelie]

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DES MOINES, Iowa — U.S. Rep. Joaquin Castro, stumping here Sunday for Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton, questioned her chief primary opponent's commitment to the Latino community, saying U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders has "hardly at all" reached out to the growing voting bloc.

"I want to say this in all frankness. I didn't come here to knock any of the candidates, but Sen. Sanders has not reached out to the Hispanic caucus in Congress, has not reached out to me. I've never met the gentleman. {He} has not visited Texas or the Rio Grande Valley," Castro, a San Antonio Democrat, said during a stop at a Mexican restaurant in Des Moines. "That's a bit of a concern."

Contrary to Castro's statement, Sanders has visited Texas as a candidate, holding July rallies in Dallas and Houston that drew thousands of supporters.

Castro went on to suggest Sanders, a Vermont independent running for president as a Democrat, has been missing in action as some Republican candidates, including bomb-throwing businessman Donald Trump, have intensified their attacks on people in the country illegally. Earlier in the event, Castro said Latinos "have become a piñata" in the 2016 race.

Read more: http://www.texastribune.org/2015/08/30/castro-questions-sanders-commitment-latino-communi/

[font color=330099]Note: I have not decided which candidate I will be voting for in the Texas primary in March. I'm posting this article to report the news, so please don't accuse me of showing any bias. Thank you.[/font]

[beam me up scottie]

1. OMG! You mean Hillary's drone LIED about Bernie???

I am SHOCKED!

I wonder why he would do such a thing...

Republicans Terrified As Texas Demand For Bernie Sanders Forces Rally To A Bigger Venue

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders has a message that is so popular that he was forced to move a rally in Texas to a larger venue to accommodate the growing crowd.

The Sanders campaign announced the change in venue for the Democratic candidate’s Houston, TX rally on July 19, “With turnout projections mounting, U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ campaign has shifted the location of Sunday’s town meeting in Houston, Texas, to the Hofheinz Pavilion.”

These events were intended to be town hall meetings, but demand is so high that format has been getting changed to a campaign rally. I anticipate that the Houston event will also be more of a rally than a town hall.

Demand has also forced the campaign to move a Saturday rally in Phoenix to a larger venue, as the big crowds are showing no signs of diminishing for Bernie Sanders.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/17/republicans-terrified-texas-demand-bernie-sanders-forces-rally-bigger-venue.html

Maybe the Republicans aren't the only ones terrified of Bernie?


And of course Bernie has been silent on immigration too:

Bernie Sanders calls for comprehensive immigration reform
Closing out a week of presidential candidates in Las Vegas rolling out their policy platforms on immigration, Democratic hopeful Bernie Sanders called the nation’s policies on the issue “disgraceful.”


He criticized Republican proposals for reform, demanded a path to citizenship for undocumented residents and called for ending mass deportations.

Sanders, an Independent U.S. senator from Vermont, is an underdog chasing the Democratic presidential nomination. His speech today followed one on Thursday by the party’s frontrunner, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Sanders’ Las Vegas visit marked his first significant statements on immigration policy of his campaign.

Like Clinton, he was outspoken in his support for a deferred-action program that allows children of undocumented immigrations to remain in the country.

Both also championed the executive actions President Barack Obama took to provide quasi-citizenship status to some undocumented immigrants. Those actions are tied up in a legal battle spurred by Republicans. Sanders and Clinton both said they would take further executive actions on immigration if elected.

Sanders, 73, spoke to a about 400 members of the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials, which held a three-day conference at the Aria this week.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/17/republicans-terrified-texas-demand-bernie-sanders-forces-rally-bigger-venue.html

TexasTowelie

[TexasTowelie]

4. Where do you live so that I can call 9-1-1

for your convulsions.

[beam me up scottie]

5. LOL!

I used to work with a guy who always volunteered to give me mouth to mouth resuscitation whenever I would so much as clear my throat.

But when a male coworker had a coughing fit he laughed and told him "Sorry, buddy, you're on your own."

[TexasTowelie]

8. In that case you need to share a photo

since you are obviously a looker (judgment reserved before we determine if you are a keeper though).

Obviously, the other guy must have looked like sausage entrails that spent the night on the floor in the butcher shop. Maybe he had halitosis?

[beam me up scottie]

9. Sure, I'm a babe but he did the same for all the women!

And the male coworker was a Cliff Clavin type who would have been lucky if he could get someone to call 911.

[lovemydog]

14. lol

[beam me up scottie]

18. It was hysterical!

[John Poet]

116. THANK You !!!

You sure made that look easy

[beam me up scottie]

120. Easy peasey!

Lots of practice, one of my brothers is a pathological liar.

[TSIAS]

2. Another Clinton surrogate

If Hillary Clinton believes Sen. Sanders doesn't care about Hispanics, she should come out and say it herself. Same with Sen. McCaskill and her attack vis a vis democratic socialism.

[jfern]

7. She thinks we're too stupid to see what a dirty campaign she's running

[merrily]

24. It's not the first time.

[Gothmog]

36. You think that this is a dirty campaign?

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If Sanders was the nominee, the Kochs and the RNC candidate would bury him with negative ads and Sanders would lack the financial resources to defend himself

I keep asking a simple question that Sanders and his supporter need to answer. How is Sanders viable in a general election campaign where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate will be spending another billion dollars?

[LondonReign2]

50. So you're saying its a good thing Hillary is running a slimy campaign again

OK

[Duckhunter935]

55. Seems so

Sad

[Gothmog]

68. Where is the slime???

That claim is really very very sad and wrong. Again, there is no need for Clinton to attack Sanders in that she is currently 85% to be the nominee according to Nate Silver. The things being called attacks are not attacks. If Sanders is the nominee, he will be buried by negative ads that have a great deal of material to work with. Socialism does not test well in polling now and that term will become radioactive after three or four hundred million of attack or negative ads.

There have been no attacks as that term is used in the real world. The GOP is not attacking Sanders at all and in fact there are GOP groups and publicans encouraging conservatives to give money to sanders. The National Review is encouraging conservatives to give the Sanders. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams

Support Bernie Sanders!

This is a call to action for every Republican anxious to win back the White House in 2016. Bernie Sanders, the socialist U.S. senator from Vermont, is now surging in his quest to win the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination. He is attracting media attention and large crowds, and is invigorated by a New Hampshire–primary poll showing him only 10 points behind frontrunner Hillary Clinton.

After a GOP power player sent me a piece from left-leaning Salon headlined “Hillary Clinton is going to lose: She doesn’t even see the frustrated progressive wave that will nominate Bernie Sanders,” my heart went pitter-patter, beginning to sense an opportunity. But it was not until I saw a headline in The Hill warning that the “Sanders surge is becoming a bigger problem for Clinton,” accompanied by “It may be time for Hillary Clinton to take the challenge from Sen. Bernie Sanders more seriously,” that I was truly motivated to join Team Bernie and rally my fellow Republicans to do the same.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420262/bernie-sanders-republicans-myra-adams

The GOP is urging people to support sanders because the conservatives know that they can not beat Hillary Clinton. The author of this article actually made a contribution to Sanders.

[questionseverything]

127. the slime is a sitting us rep lying...geesh

saying bernie has not visited tx is just foolish when he was just there with huge crowds....or is this rep so out of touch with the real world he did not KNOW///

[Trajan]

62. Remember that time ...

... When deep pockets Republican donors gave Karl Rove hundreds of millions of dollars to flatten Democrats in the General Election?

Remember when he suffered an incredible disappointment on election day?

Yeah ... Like that ... You don't fear money when you have some truth on your side ....

I find it is unfortunate when our own members resort to such fear tactics ... As if fear should dictate our lives .... Fuck that ....

[Gothmog]

71. The Democrats ran mainstream candidates who were adequatedly financed

Again, money matters in politics. Sanders is not being attacked by the Clinton campaign. However, if Sanders is the nominee, then the Kochs and RNC will spend hundreds of millions of dollars on negative ads that have some good material to work with. The term "socialist" already polls poorly and such term will be radioactive after sufficient negative ads

[Trajan]

166. At least you are more subtle than the others ...

But, still ...

[Gothmog]

171. I am not known for being subtle

I am active in county and statewide politics and have worked on a number of campaigns. I have been volunteering a ton of time on voter protection and voting rights issues for a very long time

[1StrongBlackMan]

250. I suspect you are speaking a foreign language called "political reality" ...

on a board largely populated with, "If only" speakers.

[BlueCaliDem]

280. Exactly.

The "if only" people really do appear to live in an alternate reality.

[George II]

224. But but but....Castro is a Clinton surrogate, he's been given a strict script to follow.....

....when talking to the press. He's not allowed to think or say anything on his own.

Everyone around here knows that!

[1StrongBlackMan]

64. Come on, mannn! ...

I keep asking a simple question that Sanders and his supporter need to answer. How is Sanders viable in a general election campaign where the Kochs will be spending $887 million and the RNC candidate will be spending another billion dollars?

We all know the money will come flowing in ... $40.00 at a time.

[Gothmog]

69. Some Sanders supporters have tried to tell me that money does not matter in politics

[1StrongBlackMan]

72. Nor, do endorsements or Party apparatus or ...

substantial support among non-white voters ... or, anything else that is currently lacking. All that will come when everyone wises up!

[108vcd]

232. you're essentially stating we should vote for Clinton because...

she excepts the same large legal bribes as the Repub candidates...

[Gothmog]

234. No, I am saying that you need to show how Sanders is viable

Obama blew everyone way in 2007 with is small dollar funding machine. That machine was inadequate for 2012 and so even President Obama used super pacs. Sanders will not use super pacs and so he needs to figure out how to get sufficient individual donors to be competitive.

I care about the SCOTUS and I will be supporting the candidate who I think is best qualified and who is viable. Sanders has not demostrated viability and you may be hurting Sanders' case with fun things like magical youtube videos and the claims that money does not matter in politics.

As for Hillary Clinton, the only practical way of getting rid of Citizens United is to win the White House and to have the POTUS nominate SCOTUS justices who will vote to overturn Citizens United. Clinton, Sanders and O'Malley are all making this pledge. There is no easy way to amend the US Constitution and the overturning of Citizens United is the best approach. To do this, we have to win and again, I do not believe that Sanders can win a general election fight

Sanders is doing poorly in most states that are not 90% white and if you want to see Sanders be the nominee, then show how he is viable

[1StrongBlackMan]

252. Stop calling Bernie a racist!!! ...

Sanders is doing poorly in most states that are not 90% white

[davidpdx]

291. Hillary Clinton is going to help overturn Citizen's United

Ok, right. If she were to win, she'll start banking for 2020 immediately. We all know that.

[RichVRichV]

257. So if Bernie can't compete against money and happens to beat Hillary,

what will that say about Hillary?

[Gothmog]

258. She or Biden are the only two Democrats who can tap into the Obama fundraising machine

Time will tell. BTW, HRC is still 35% points up on Bernie according to PPP

[RichVRichV]

261. And when he first entered she was polling over 75% up.

4 months in, 3 more to the first primaries.

[davidpdx]

289. I think it does

You know why. I think elections can be bought. Hillary Clinton is taking advantage of the largest loophole in campaign finance. And please go ahead and tell me it's ok because the Republicans do, because that tells me right where her bed is made.

[George II]

242. Actually, in Minnesota he said it is $31 at a time.

[1StrongBlackMan]

248. At that rate ...

well ... never-mind.

[frylock]

90. He'll beat their money the same way he's going to beat Hillary's money..

with grassroots populism and by speaking to the issues.

[Gothmog]

98. How? You need money to fight negative ads

It is not like the GOP and the Kochs do not have a ready made line of attack that is poll tested just sitting there. The terms "socialism" and "socialists" poll badly already and four hundred million dollares of negative ads will make these terms radioactive. The only way to fight such a campaign is to have sufficient financial resources to fight back.

[frylock]

102. People aren't watching teevee..

people are cutting the cable. More and more people are watching online content from Amazon, Hulu, Youtube, HBO, etc.. Those that do watch teevee are recording their programming, and fast forwarding through the commercials. Lastly, negative political ads are largely ineffective, and has already been pointed out, didn't really seem to hurt Obama all that much. This isn't 1996 anymore.

[Gothmog]

114. Oh goodie, another youtube is magic and TV ads do not matter explanation

If TV ads do not matter, then why are they so effective and are used? I live in the real world where political campaigns need money and it takes money to GOTV and to run a campaign

[Ron Green]

122. That "real world" is precisely what's wrong. And what we have to change. Now.

Bernie Sanders' candidacy is a test for America. We may yet fail it, but we ought to try.

[Gothmog]

134. The real world is the real world

That is why it is called the real world. You may want to change it but that requires something more than magical youtube videos

[PatrickforO]

228. I'm with you. We might well be tilting at the proverbial windmill, but we've gotta do something,

because the so-called 'real world' is a bowl of shit.

[frylock]

142. Yeah, in your "real world" a socialist that won't take PAC money and run negative ads..

is right on your candidate's tail. if Clinton's strategy is what wins elections in the real world, then you have nothing to worry about. But here you are to tell everyone that Sanders can't win in the real world.

[Gothmog]

159. We are in the primary process and viability in the general election is a valid criteria

You are free to make your own determination as to the viability of the Sanders campaign and I am free to make my own determination. In order to get the nomination, Sanders will need to convince a large number of Democratic voters that he is viable and I hope that he has a better argument than magic youtube videos. While some Sanders supporters may not watch TV, many if not most voters do watch TV and these voters will be affected by TV ads. For now, I believe that money is important in politics and you are free to rely on your own beliefs as to the importance of money in politics.

Again, vote for the candidate who you think is best and I will vote for the candidate who I think is best. For me viability in the general election is a key factor and I suspect that this will be a factor for many voters.

[frylock]

162. Republicans will climb from out of their deathbeds to vote against Clinton

[Gothmog]

181. And they are not going to do this to stop a socialist from becoming POTUS??

The term socialist is a very loaded term in conservative circles and the conservatives will be turning out like crazy to stop a socialist from being POTUS. The terms "socialist" and "socialism" both test badly in polls now and just think how radioactive those terms will be after several hundred millions of negative ads.

While some (or many) Sanders supporters may not watch TV, most voters do and the GOP will have fun here. The Kochs and the GOP will have far more to work with than Nixon did with McGovern.

[frylock]

186. You go right on ahead and base you vote on fear then..

you think the socialism label will kill Sanders in the GE. I think the Clinton label is going to kill Clinton in the GE. You're not going to convince me of voting for your candidate, just as I'm not going to convince you to vote for my candidate. Good day.

[demwing]

173. No, you need voter support

all you need money for is to buy up voter support. Bernie is cutting out the middle-men money-men by going straight to the source.

[VanillaRhapsody]

107. The Bernie Brigade better develop a thicker skin

If he wins....cause they aint seen dirty yet. The Republicans go subterranian levels of dirty.

[cali]

124. if he can beat Hillary in the primary, he's viable in the general.

But that's not going to happen. But these tactics that Mook is employing have the potential of backfiring. Hillary needs Sanders supporters, and this is the best way to turn them against her.

[Gothmog]

132. That is not going to happen unless Sanders shows that he is viable in general election

Which comes first, the chicken or the egg? If Sanders want to broaden his appeal outside a very very narrow group of mostly white suppoerters, he will need to show that he is viable in a general election. Some of the explanations as to Sanders' viability are not very satisfying to me. I did not know that youtube is magical and that no one watches TV any more and so TV ads are not important.

As for the subject of this thread, I really do not see where Sanders has made any real appeals to Hispanic voters. The two Texas events were both 90% white events (my party chair was at the Houston event and he got attacked by the local press for being a socialist for merely attending that event to judge the composition of the crowd). http://www.democraticunderground.com/107827740

Amanda Renteria is Hillary's chief of staff and messaging. Hillary is working hard to appeal to Hispanic voters. How is Sanders planning on appealing to Hispanic voters in Texas?

[cali]

139. your ignorance of his efforts, doesn't negate his repeated outreach to the Latino community.

Hill supports deporting undocumented children.

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/73154/20150820/immigration-news-today-hillary-clinton-still-supports-deportation-undocumented-immigrants.htm

And man, has she "evolved" on immigration. She's a finger in the wind politician.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

152. If he can beat Hillary in the Primary, he'll prove that he's more viable than she is.

So it's all good. The most viable candidate will emerge from the primary.

[Gothmog]

157. I am happy to wait and see the results of the primary

My voter will be based on the fact that I really do not believe in magic twitter/youtube videos and I do not think that Sanders is viable in a general election. You are welcome to base your vote on magic twitter and youtube vidoes.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

172. Yeah

I'll just put you on ignore now. Anybody who assumes I base my vote on 'magic' or youtube is insulting my intelligence.

[Gothmog]

202. Then explain how Sanders is viable

[Armstead]

194. Well of the Democratic Establishment abandons him if he wins primary...They are NADERS

Remember him? The guy they still can't forgive because he supposedly threw the election to the GOP.

Would deciding to sit out the election so Jebby or Donnie or Scottie can waltz in not violate thee constant message "We have to do everything we can to defeat the GOP."

I guess the only thing worse than a GOP victory would be to have an actual grassroots progressive in the WH?

[Gothmog]

200. Sanders needs to win outside of states with 90% white populations

If Sanders is the Democratic nominee, I will support him. I am not going to vote for in the primary process or give him money until someone convinces me that he is viable in the general election. This thread has encouraged me to accelerated by donations to the Clinton campaign http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=562222 According to the online poll/quiz, I am closed in my views to Sanders than I am to Clinton but I can not support a candidate who is not viable in the general election

[Armstead]

205. Well we have different assumptions about "viable" I guess

There is nothing nastier the GOP can throw at Sanders that they won't throw at Clinton....Probably less, actually. Socialist? Have you heard the GOP describe Clinton and Obama?

He has executive experience a looooong legislative background, being repeatedly and overwhelming elected to the House and then the Senate. And, I know, Vermont is a small state....But that also means people know the candidates better, and if Sanders had fatal skeletons or was generally unpleasant and unappealing, they;d have booted his butt out long ago.

And (as a neighbor of the state) I can tell you that Vermont is NOT all Ben and Jerry's. But he's managed to win over a lot of hardasses who say "I don't agree with Bernie on everything, but I know he's got my back."

Just sayin' anyone is a gamble, as is the nature of elections. But he is not as "unelectable" as he is painted as by spme.

[Duckhunter935]

54. And she would be wrong

So transparent

[hifiguy]

113. Well, HRH doesn't deign to talk to the press or

mingle with the peasantry, so someone has to catapult the propaganda.

[MoveIt]

301. she thinks she's smarter than her supporters

she is.

[JI7]

3. "Joaquin Castro, stumping here Sunday for Democratic presidential frontrunner Hillary Clinton"

Sanders has called Donald Trump a national embarrassment . while i do think SAnders should do more in reaching out to diverse communities i don't question his commitment to helping those communities . especially as he learns more about them. he is willing to listen.

[jfern]

6. What a liar

And Hillary supported deporting the children refugees from Central America, while Sanders and O'Malley did not.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-06-19/bernie-sanders-faces-awkward-issues-for-his-liberal-allies-immigration-and-guns

[Live and Learn]

10. Even the article suggests he is either ill informed or lying.

Contrary to Castro's statement, Sanders has visited Texas as a candidate, holding July rallies in Dallas and Houston that drew thousands of supporters.

[cali]

58. I'll go with lying his fucking ass off for million, Alec

[dorkzilla]

82. Im inclined to agree with you there, Cali

He seems to intelligent to be willfully ignorant. Lying about this is the only answer that makes sense but its TOO EASY to prove him wrong.

Just so much to remind one of 2008.

[hifiguy]

115. Eeyup.

[George II]

240. How is he "lying his fucking ass off"?

[mythology]

145. Based on that, you can't actually say that Sanders is drawing support among Hispanics

Yes there are a lot of Hispanics in Texas, there are a lot of whites as well. Sanders events are largely populated by whites (and likewise his polling shows the same) even the large campaign stop in L.A.

It's not lying or ill-informed to say that Sanders has a difficult path to the nomination without getting a majority of either blacks of Hispanic voters.

I don't think that Sanders would be bad for minorities (if you want one of those, go see the clown car), or doesn't have proposals that would benefit minorities. In L.A. he did bring in an immigration activist and would at least try to get immigration reform passed (I'm suspicious that the Republican party will torpedo any reform).

[George II]

233. And what did the article say just BEFORE that sentence?

"he was specifically referring to Sanders visiting predominantly Hispanic communities in Texas."

You conveniently left that out of your quote of the article.

And then there's this statement from Sanders in the article:

"we have a long, long way to go, and I will not deny to you for one minute that we have to substantially increase our outreach to the Latino community"

If he can recognize this, why is it so difficult for his supporters to recognize it?

[Live and Learn]

11. You might want to add his first name to the title for the benefit of those of us

not from Texas. It does seem a bit of an .... Well, you know.

[TexasTowelie]

16. Fidel will not approve either.

Oops, never mind. Title amended.

[cali]

12. gee. exactly the same line as Gutierrez. that's our hilly

I have no doubt that we're going to be seeing a lot of Clinton surrogates saying ugly shit.

And that's one reason I have so little respect for her.

[left-of-center2012]

26. Clinton surrogates saying ugly shit.

She can always deny responsibility.
Something she's good at.

[John Poet]

119. 'With a cloth'

you can wipe that responsibility clean away!

[HereSince1628]

30. Creativity falls to focus group tested phrases.

Doubt, DOUBT! and thereby SUSPICION are the seeds to undermine your opponent.

You must have read, "The Prince" ?

[cali]

34. I think Clintonian politics is analogous to Machiavellian.

[haikugal]

106. Yes! Yes it is!!

[DonCoquixote]

13. Castro, Mi amigo

and lone Latino even considered by the party that claims to love Latinos, I have one thing to say to you stuff it. You are trying to replicate the success of BLM, where people who want to attack Hillary instead pick on the person who is actually making themselves vulnerable, instead of hiding behind the ramparts and Hermetic seals erected by Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Never mind that if Hillary debated, she would gain more press time at the very least, but no, Debbie is having you throw bombs behind the rampart, and you are hoping that the party is polishing your VP slot, instead of planning to hand it to a Cory Booker, Sherrod Brown, or even Debbie herself.

Also, as a Puerto Rican, I am a little offended that his main offense is not visiting Texas. Texas is not the be all, especially since for all the promises you and your brother have been making that you will turn it blue any day now, it is still the garish, ugly red home of the Bushes and those who make the Bushes look like Bernie Sanders.

[TexasTowelie]

17. Wrong Castro.

You're thinking of former San Antonio mayor, HUD director and twin brother Juan Castro.

I've amended the title to clear up the confusion.

[DonCoquixote]

19. well, to be fair

both are being polished as possible veeps.

[okasha]

138. Julian, not Juan.

Sanders' visit to Texas was pretty forgettable, so I think I'll cut Joaquin some slack. Sanders drew large, largely Anglo, audiences in Texas' two largest and most affluent metropolitan areas. He hasn't been anywhere near South Texas or the Border, where "income inequalty" is greatest, and where, culturally speaking, he might as well be a Martian.

[Gothmog]

165. My county chair went to the Houston event and it was 90% white

My County chair was also attacked by a local paper for being a socialist for merely attending this event http://www.democraticunderground.com/107827740

[okasha]

176. No surprise on either count.

Texas will not go for Sanders, for a number of reasons. We're minority-majority now, and neither he nor any of the R's has any idea how to deal with that.

[Gothmog]

197. Sanders needs to break 15% in Texas to get any delegates

It will be interesting to see if he breaks this threshold

[TexasTowelie]

284. Oops, my mistake.

Thanks for the correction.

[AtomicKitten]

15. Another Clinton drone

... taking up where Luis Gutierrez left off, trying to convince voters that Bernie Sanders doesn't care about brown people. Better hope they don't have access to a Google machine.

[cali]

20. anyone who doesn't know that this is a coordinated effort from team hilly

is either a Clinton backer or hopelessly naive. There is a history here. And this is a Technicolor illustration of why I dislike Clintonian politics.

[Ford_Prefect]

21. The Triangulator Strikes Again!

[Armstead]

22. He can't just say "Hillary's great."....Has to throw in the snide racial dog whistle

Oh fuck it. E-mails

[cali]

25. no shit. hypocrisy.

[merrily]

23. Deja vu all over again. The politics of dividing by race, gender, ethnicity, etc.

[stevenleser]

237. You really should know who uses that kind of meme...

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/07/23/see_i_told_you_so_obama_has_divided_us

http://www.latina.com/lifestyle/politics/ted-cruz-accuses-barack-obama-dividing-country

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/03/10/jeb-bush-obama-won-reelection-by-dividing-the-country/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/1/obamas-divided-america/

[Scootaloo]

255. Are you attempting to equate merrily with Limbaugh or Cruz?

[BeyondGeography]

27. Sloppy and careless

How do you whiff on the Texas rallies?

[ccinamon]

28. How disturbing.....losing respect for him.

He filled in as Honored Guest Speaker at a local event several months ago.......He did a good job and everyone was thrilled to see him! He was friendly, personable, and seemed to enjoy being there. I thought it was awesome of him to step up and help out at the fundraiser by being Honored Guest Speaker at the last minute.

Very disappointed that he would lie like that.

I would like to know why they expect Sanders to reach out often and immediately to all of the different minority groups and then instantaneously come up with a detailed plan to fix all the problems they are facing. The campaign is what, 4 months old and he is STILL a sitting Senator and he NEEDS to get out and stump and become known since he hasn't had 20 years of prepping for this race like Hillary has.

Seems like Team Hillary is getting desperate and is very afraid of Bernie,,,, but not fond of the slimy, backdoor tactics Hillary is condoning/encouraging and her surrogates are so willing to do on her behalf. I haven't been a fan of Hillary's in the past few years,,,, and these tactics are not endearing her to me at all.

[beam me up scottie]

29. Wait, HC supporters are reccing a thread that proves Castro lied for Clinton?

[cali]

32. shocking, isn't it? those morally superior Clinton supporters cheering on lying

Divisive crap.

[beam me up scottie]

35. If Bernie did this I would be mortified.

I sure the hell wouldn't applaud him.

[Duckhunter935]

56. Scary

[beam me up scottie]

57. Just like their candidate all that matters is winning.

It's 2008 all over again.

[a2liberal]

66. I rec'ed

Because I think it's important that people know what Team Clinton is doing (I was confused what specifically another thread was complaining about untili saw someone posted this link)

[beam me up scottie]

67. That was my link, I think!

Thanks for clarifying, I didn't know if you were a HC supporter or not.

Yes, I hope everyone notices what's going on.

[a2liberal]

91. yup, your link :) nt

[okasha]

148. I rec'ed because to a South Texan

living in a culturally Hispanic area, this thread is funny as hell. Wonderful slapstick.

What's not funny is that it fell immediately into the nasty racial stereotype of the "lying Mexican." But given the way you Sanders guys reacted to BLM, that's not surprising.

[Autumn]

269. Well I can't call him truthful. He lied twice at that restaurant, Bernie has been to Texas and

Bernie has called out Trump on his attacks on people in the country illegally, Bernie did that on Friday. Right there in the article, it tells what Castro said and then the article goes on and points out the truth. So you can say what you want and it doesn't surprise me at all that you want to bring race into this because his ethnicity doesn't enter into it, he fucking lied.

[okasha]

276. I can't imagine he cares what you call him.

[Jim Lane]

70. I decided to rec it for precisely that reason

The excerpt in the OP notes the anti-Sanders lie. Some of the comments report the substance of the candidates' positions on immigration issue, including Clinton's support for deporting children. These are points worth calling to the attention of a wider readership.

[beam me up scottie]

76. I did too and changed my post to specify HC supporters.

[Autumn]

265. I'm gonna rec this too because the lies are right there in this article

Lied about Bernie not visiting Texas and lied about Bernie not calling out Trump.

[beam me up scottie]

286. Good to see which HC supporters approve of lying and race baiting too.

I don't have to wonder what they would do if Bernie had done the same thing because he wouldn't.

After the primary is over I will still be proud of my candidate and will have to live with what I said and did to help him.

This thread has been VERY enlightening.

[CharlotteVale]

31. Very illuminating. And desperate.

[Gothmog]

33. Congressman Joaquin Castro makes some good points

Sanders will not do well with Hispanic voters

[cali]

37. he's a liar and he's being a good little Clintonian surrogate.

Fuck the divisive asswipes who exploit ethnicity and race. Clintonian politics are disgusting. There is no moral or ethical center to hill or bill.

[Armstead]

42. With Team Clinton lying about him you may be right

Would be a shitty victory, just like they tried with the dog whistles against Obama

[freshwest]

149. Yes, Big H and Big D are not in the Valley, nor is San Antonio where the Castros hail from.

Bernie should travel on down to the Valley, Austin, San Antonio, up to the Panhandle and down to the cities on the Gulf. I would advise against the truly red areas, they may not show up but there are still plenty of Texas Democrats, about 10 million.

Over 3 million voted for Obama in 2012 with over 40% of the voters. And the Democratic Party has an impressive progressive platform with marijuana legalization, same sex marriage and matters of civil rights. They just don't seem to be able to get a leg up despite having some great candidates for state and federal office.

Much as I love the Big H, it's not indicative of the state as a whole. Sadly, there are too many red areas that need outreach. This map shows just how hard this is going to be:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Texas_presidential_election_results_2012.svg

Joaquin in Congress and knows what is needed to get those endorsements.

[okasha]

153. Hillary's already been to the Valley this year,

to a meeting in McAllen.

She and Bill did voter registration in the area when LA Raza was very active, and are immensely popular here. In 2008, my county sent a 100% Hillary delegation to the state convention.

[tammywammy]

241. And the Valley is very different than Dallas or Houston.

The Castro brothers are from San Antonio, which has over a 60% population of Hispanic or Latino origin.

But then yesterday on here someone was dismissing Julian because he didn't learn Spanish in his home growing up. "Fine line between authentic and pandering", about the guy that was a three-time mayor of San Antonio - pandering.

[okasha]

243. Hillary has also been to Houston,

which is minority-majority now, with a mix of African Americans and Hispanics. She gave her powerful speech on voting rights there at historically Black Texas Southern University, the incomparable Barbara Jordan's alma mater.

[freshwest]

259. I remember La Raza from the Vietnam War days, Chicanos and Tejanos had a moratorium on enlisting.

That didn't keep that many from serving, that was a short lived movement. To get into the military has been a source of education and economic mobiliity, but it didn't serve all well.

Mi hermana will be here Sunday and I am going to show her around town. She has 5 sons she ended having to rear herself, as the toll of the war on her husband was too much. All her boys joined the service over the years to get into college They have done very well!

Her extended family is in Mexico, CA, OR, CO, TN, TX and abroad. They have also attended pow wows to explore their roots and visited the sites of ancient Mayan culture.

They despise Trump as much as Sheriff Joe since they want profiling. They were lukewarm about Obama, but are for HRC. They know of the Castros as well and their family in San Antonio voted for them. I explained about Bernie and his positions and they said they had heard about him and seen him on TV but that they were not interested.

I'm REALLY wanting Julian on the ticket. Joaquin sees things through a different prism, though he is new in Congress. The B&W, for us or against us, and GOP terminology applied to him reminds me of how Obama has been treated. A real turn off for me, and others.

And the Clintons helping with voter registration back in the day was a big thing. Because many Tejanos were apathetic, just felt like they were not going to make any progress with the Anglo PTB for a long time. There was an underlying distrust in government.

Tejanos have always been very self-reliant and in a way I see that as drawback to voting. They manage to live their lives without it, they adjust, they keep on.

[okasha]

266. Tu hermana sounds like she's made a good life for herself and her sons.

Is this going to be her first time up there in the frozen north?

La Raza is still quite active. I've marched in any number of César Chàvez birthday parades they organize yearly. There's always at least one older person reminiscing about la huelga, just so the kids never forget.

An interesting fact-- Hispanics have won more Congressional Medals of Honor than any other ethnic group.

I agree about Julian. The campaign ought to pay you some good money to use your avatar as a logo, too.

[freshwest]

278. Her story is so much like the Castros that they told at the DNC it made me cry.

She didn't get far in school, but did various kinds of work and housekeeping for money. She has always been extremely frugal, until now she has come to retirement and can live as she pleases.

Over the years she learned many professions, without a degree. She worked with lawyers on immigration cases, then went to school to work for the HPD and DEA. She paid off her little house in Houton, another in San Antonio, Waco and also tended to her husband in the VA hospital while doing all of those things.

She is an extraordinary woman, who worked past retirement age as people wanted her to do. Some time after her husband passed she remarried. She has been faithful to all of her friends, and there are many of them.

Her sons all adore her and have taken her to Europe more than once, and we've gone to Canada together. This time she's going to Alaska on a cruise. Things are looking good for her and she really deserves it.

I knew that about hispanics and the military, they are very willing to do the service. One of the things mi hermana does not want is for the USA to end up as Mexico has with the drug cartels. She's told me a lot of horror stories for years.

As far as that other logo - that is from someone in Texas - so I don't own it. But I really want to see Julian run as I love the twins. Her family was moved by that last DNC presentation. It is their story.

It would be a weakness to have two people from the northeast (not that I don't love 'em) on the ticket next year. So many people have moved to southern states, and the growth of the hispanic population, while across the nation and the world, is primarily melded best in Texas, IMHO. It is seamless, it's rejoiced at.

As far as the old days, we made a point of not buying iceberg lettuce and other produce as the Nixon administration was trying to break The Farmworkers by getting around the boycott. It was pretty nuts, they were shipping a lot of fresh produce across the Pacific for soldiers to help the landowners hold out.

The contract came but you know the big money have a back up plan to impede progress, always. We were brought up knowning that there was absolutely stupid discrimination in Texas. It was even illegal under the Republic of Texas but as time went on prejudice took over.

But the movements of the sixties and seventies were not to be denied as we went to the ballot box. It was a more progressive state in the seventies but that was a short time as the wingnuts came out in force for Reagan and it's never been the same since. I don't really recognize the place anymore.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

260. Why not

[Cali_Democrat]

38. Why wouldn't Bernie reach out to the Hispanic caucus in Congress?

He should be reaching out to them.

[Armstead]

43. Oh I don't know. I guess he hates Hispanics too

He' such a bigot you know.

[Cali_Democrat]

45. Hispanics will play a large role in the 2016 election

It makes sense for Bernie and the other candidates to reach out to the Hispanic caucus.

[Armstead]

46. He has and will continue to do so, I'm sure

[cali]

99. as he has. Joaquin is a lying henchman for Hillary

[George II]

239. How is he lying?

[kath]

79. Not just a bigot - a white supremacist bigot.

[bettyellen]

144. naaah, Sanders just never realized he might actually NEED to "do demographics" when running for prez

[cali]

158. that's just more bullshit.

[cali]

44. why on earth would i believe Clinton henchmen and women?

Joaquin Castro lied about Bernie not going to Texas. Joaquin has proven that he's not above lying. But hey. Clintonian politics is inclusive of sleazy tactics. It's who they are.

[Cali_Democrat]

47. Calling Joaquin Castro a henchman is over-the-top.

Was he mistaken about Bernie not visiting Texas? Yes.

However, he feels Bernie has not done enough to reach out to the Hispanic community.

Hispanics are being demonized and dehumanized right now.

Now would be a great time form Bernie to reach out to Castro and other members of the Hispanic caucus in Congress.

[Duckhunter935]

59. No it is not

Just another Hillary surrogate lying. When several do it, it is a concerted effort and yes it is a lie. Plausible deniability is what Hillary is using and it is not fooling many of us.

[cali]

60. just because you don't know the definition of a word, is no reason not to use it.

Here, let me help you expand you vocabulary.

And he's fucking lying. It strains all credulity to believe that a Texas politician is ignorant of big political events in Texas.

If you still want to object to my spot on use of the word henchman, I'd be glad to change it to toadie.
hench·man
ˈhen(t)SHmən/
nounderogatory
a faithful follower or political supporter, especially one prepared to engage in crime or dishonest practices by way of service.
synonyms: right-hand man, assistant, aide, helper; More
historical
a squire or page of honor to a person of rank.

[Bluenorthwest]

220. Castro is not a member of the Progressive Caucus. The House is large, Castro in his first term.

Add that to the fact that Castro says Sanders has not been to Texas when Sanders has been to Texas and it makes his pronouncement dubious at best. He's either under informed or a liar. He'll say things he does not know to be true just 'cause he wants to say them.

[ibegurpard]

39. Don't take the bait

Another Clinton surrogate dog-whistle designed to show how awful the people supporting Sanders are and he must be awful too because look how awful the people supporting him are.

[progressoid]

40. "I didn't come here to knock any of the candidates, but..."

riiiiight

[a kennedy]

41. and there's this: https://www.facebook.com/LatinosForBernie

[appalachiablue]

65. Good deal. There are organized groups of Latinos for Bernie that have posted here before,

glad to see this on FB.

Losing regard for Castro minute by minute, and I thought a lot of him and his brother. This is very low, some mistake about two giant Bernie rallies in Castro's state of Texas, in Houston and Dallas this summer. We watched both events like all the others. Our Cuban American relatives in FL, NC and OR will be interested in these comments by Castro.

Si se puede!

[Robbins]

48. This shows who the clintons really are

She will use racial dog whistles against Bernie like she tried to use race against Obama.

She thinks everyone is so stupid we don't have any memory.

She doesn't have guts to say it herself.she sends surrogrates out to say it.

[djean111]

49. He is another one of those New Democrat Coalition people. Third Way, all the way.

Their website reading awfully like that "Americans for Prosperity" that belongs to the Kochs.
They have re-tooled their agenda statement, it used to say that they were proud of eschewing ideology in order to work hand in hand across the aisle. Now it reads like the Democratic Party Platform. Which is aptly named, as it seems to me that it is only used to stand on for votes, and is relegated to the back yard after elections.

No vote from me, EVER, for anyone who belongs to that thing. Or anyone connected with it.

[leftofcool]

51. So, Sanders doesn't reach out to the Latino community enough and it's all Hillary's fault!

Got it.

[Rose Siding]

52. Castro is a remarkably popular Democrat

Love seeing him out for Hillary.

[cali]

63. nice to know which duers cheer on this contemptible behavior.

[freshwest]

300. Julian's made a big difference at HUD. More public housing. My city has some HUD housing opening

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with high speed broadband and solar power built in. It's made the city ,pre immigrant friendly and most I know love Obama, Democrats and our party's policies.

Most are from Africa, but a lot are from India and Asian nations. Also lots of Russians. They feel accepted and safe and they love the USA and what Obama has done around the world.

[wendylaroux]

53. now that is hillaryous

uh huh

[cali]

61. hey unlike hilly the human weathervane, Bernie does not support kicking immigrant

children out of the.country.

Just another hilly henchman doing her lying scummy dirty work.

That's the Hillary I know and do not respect. Dog whistle hill.

[pinebox]

74. Yep

However Hillary's time has come and gone and the American people know exactly what she is about. When your rating is in the 30% range for being trustworthy, the dance is over. People don't trust her by a very large margin. I don't. Many others don't. She comes across as a typical politician.

[brooklynite]

75. I voted against an alert on this post...

...as obnoxious as some Sanders supporters become in their Hillary hatred, we should't try to hide their ugliness.

[cali]

78. the irony of your righteousness is delicious.

Oh and opposed Hillary long before I supported Bernie. By the way, proportionately there is far more ugly coming from.Clinton supporters here than Sanders supporters. And I'm sure you heartily endorse Hillary's surrogates using lies and divisive car to smear Bernie.

[AtomicKitten]

89. Translation: "My alert failed." <nt>

[brooklynite]

95. 1) I never alert, 2) you can't vote on your own alert 3) as I said, I voted against the alert

But feel free to accuse me of lying if you want to.

[AtomicKitten]

97. Uh huh. <nt>

[1StrongBlackMan]

73. I'll tell ya! ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=561170

[leftofcool]

83. I hear ya.

[okasha]

151. I hear you, too..

This thread is one long chain of anti-Hispanic dog whistles. At least they're not calling Joaquin Castro a Palin supporter.

[ismnotwasm]

230. I hear that

[1StrongBlackMan]

246. And sadly, it's getting worse. n/t

[Starry Messenger]

275. Oh yeah.

[freshwest]

303. Yeah, but that guy never talked to MEMEME! I gave him so many chances, too!

What with my 'CCW' and 'PICKING COTTON? Oh, God, just kill me now!'

Plus my WP thread. I feel so neglected. Really.

What's your secret?

Oh, yeah, it's your name. You have a lot of nerve!

[frylock]

92. hurr durrrr

[fredamae]

77. Of Course! He's Third Way/New Dem Coalition

http://newdemocratcoalition-kind.house.gov/membership

[cali]

80. ugh. Jim Himes, Debbie Wasserman-Schulz.

[CharlotteVale]

84. Ugh. My own crappy TPP-loving rep is part of their leadership.

[hootinholler]

81. It sounds like Rep Castro needs to be enlightened

Bernie hasn't visited Texas?

No wonder the largest word in Hillary's word cloud was LIAR.

[demwing]

85. And I question Rep. Joaquin Castro's integrity

Or at least his awareness of what goes on in his state.

Such a shame, I thought he was a solid Dem, not a Shillary.

[Chan790]

129. +1! n/t

[HappyPlace]

141. You know what? What doesn't kill him makes him stronger...

...and so far nothing's killed him.

Look at BLM, for example: it turned into a boost more than a drop in popularity, it certainly didn't hurt.

I think the same will be true here, try to suggest he has not weight with Latino groups?

Just wait and see....

[demwing]

150. Doesn't change my high opinion of Bernie

I suspect others will feel the same, and that's terrific.

It does, however, lessen my previously high opinion of Castro. I suspect others will feel the same.

And that is not terrific...

[HappyPlace]

244. I'm totally with you.

There are dozens, hundreds, of sycophants for the frontrunner, happy to be her surrogate poop stirrer.

[ram2008]

87. Of course he does, he wants his brother to be VEEP

Talk about a conflict of interest.

[Gothmog]

88. Congressman Joaquin Castro has been named as the Chair of Texas State Democratic Convention

I look forward to attending this convention in San Antonio

[cali]

94. doesn't change the fact that he lied while acting as Hillary's henchman

[Gothmog]

101. You are welcome to Texas and try to contest his position

Chairman Hinojosa would no doubt love to have you attend the convention

[cali]

105. I actually like Texas but not in the summer.

[freshwest]

305. THAT IS GREAT NEWS! He can turn Texas BLUE! Thanks for posting it; will it be on TV? n/t

[arcane1]

93. "has not visited Texas and definitely didn't draw huge crowds, so stop saying that!!"

These people have no shame. Or integrity.

[cali]

96. they'll. only ramp it up now.

[Prism]

100. Race baiting from a Clinton surrogate? The hell you say

This is my shocked face.

And it's so, so early yet. She's way ahead in the polls. Why are they committing this horseshit so early?

I have voted for every Democratic candidate in the general since I was old enough to vote (Gore was my first).

If this continues, I'm going to reconsider. If this is how it's going to play, she doesn't need me.

Enough already. This shit is hateful.

[cali]

104. because he's doing so well in Iowa and New Hampshire and be cause this is reflexive behavior

for them.

[leftofcool]

111. So Castro says to Sanders, "you need to reach out to us more" and he is a race baiter?

Is this what Bernie Sanders thinks too?

[Prism]

112. Just stop already

Bernie has visited Texas, attending immigration forums, etc.

Acting as if the man has done nothing is highly dishonest.

At this point, I'm starting to wonder if people are ignorant or just pretending to be so for the sake of their candidate.

Neither approach recommends a person.

[leftofcool]

123. You just called Castro who is an ethnic minority a race baiter.

He most certainly is not.

[Prism]

125. He just lied his ass off

On a race-based issue.

You tell me what this is.

[leftofcool]

137. This

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/07/30/bernie-sanders-criticizes-open-borders-at-hispanic-chamber-of-commerce/

[Armstead]

143. That....

Sanders is for comprehensions immigration reform, same as Hillary. He may differ on some nuances, but he's honest, and he is in favor of a path to legalization and all the rest.

It's totally legitimate to disagree on specific aspects, But once again, it is distorted to create a false impression. Why doesnt she bring it up in an actual debate with Sanders? Let the man speak for himself. Oh that's right We donlt need debates until further down the line. How convenient.

Mark Penn is likely rubbing his hands with glee.

[leftofcool]

146. I think your argument is with Castro, not Hillary.

[Armstead]

147. I'm fairly sure he isn't "off message" from the Clinton juggernaut

I've got a problem with him for saying it, and of he did go "off message" then Clinton could correct the record.

But damage done. They're already asking Sanders about his "problem with Hispanics."

[cali]

154. uh no. we aren't that stupid. this is Hillary campaign shit.

[cali]

118. disgusting spin of ugly, divisive and dishonest attack on Sanders from the Clinton camp

Castro's comments were not even close to your amateurish spin.

[Armstead]

140. sanders is too politie to say that.

But yeah, it's race baiting. Also untrue, but that's of little consequence.

[GeorgeGist]

103. I didn't come here to knock any of the candidates, but Sen. Sanders

Better headline.

[Eleanors38]

108. First, gunz. Then black insensitivity. Now Latino insentivity....

About as sublte as a stake-side truck thundering down a washboard road.

[cali]

121. they don't care that it's not subtle. they know this shit is effective.

[whatchamacallit]

109. Considering who he's shilling for, I question Castro's commitment to the Latino Community

[onehandle]

110. Stop Showing Bias!

Kidding. I don't blame you for adding a disclaimer.

GD-P is toxic.

[onecaliberal]

117. Why did you have to make that statement?

I respected you tremendously... Just another shill. Damit.

[dsc]

126. Gee fancy this

Castro clarified Monday he was specifically referring to Sanders visiting predominantly Hispanic communities in Texas. In July, Sanders held rallies in Dallas and Houston that drew thousands of supporters.

Funny how the first sentence of this didn't make your cut. All of those people calling him a liar should be ashamed as they didn't even go look at the link.

[Armstead]

136. Nah...Plant the seed. Raise the "concern" back off and later say ...

I didn't mean THAT, but....

"That's a bit of a concern," Castro added.

Bullshit. You're smarter than that. It's a dog whistle.

He didn't have to say a fucking thing about Sander's, er non-existant problem and lack of concern over Hispanics.

He could have simply touted Clinton's sterling record and lifelong empathy with all minorities....whatever that is, and except those lazy ones on welfare.

Pure Rovian "concern."

[dsc]

156. Has he been to Hispanic areas of Texas

or not? If he hasn't been, I can see why a Hispanic politician would find that bothersome, especially with Sanders less than stellar record on immigration. We need to win at least 60 percent of the Hispanic vote to win in November of 2016. I don't see Sanders doing that if he runs against Bush or Rubio. Honestly, even Hillary might have problems pulling 60 against them.

[cali]

160. unlike dear hilly who supports deporting kids, and who really does have a sucky history

when it comes to immigration.

[Gothmog]

163. Hillary worked in the Valley registering Hispanic voters early in her career

Hispanic voters remember thinks like this http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/voting-rights-hillary-clinton-has-been-outspoken#56789

In fact, Clinton’s first serious experience of presidential politics involved registering Hispanic voters for George McGovern’s 1972 campaign in Texas’s Rio Grande Valley—an area that remains a hot-spot for efforts to expand the electorate.

[Armstead]

167. And Sanders marched with MLK d...But those days are irrelevant, remember?

[okasha]

178. What makes the difference

is that Hillary'a work was actually on-site, in a place and culture where she was an outsider, and she made the effort to get to know the place and culture. She has ignored neither since. It wasn't a one-shot. The people here remember her for that, with affection and loyalty. Sanders has nothing comparable to draw Hispanics, and it should be painfully obvious to you by now that African Americans don't give a flip what he did 50 years ago. They want their current problems addressed.

[Armstead]

179. Okay, yeah sure....my ourtrage supply is drained for the day

whatever you say. Sanders is just a reactionary asshole. Fine great whatever.

[okasha]

201. Sorry about your outrage supply.

I'm sure you'll have it replenished soon.

[Armstead]

207. Well you're good refueling it

A veritable gusher sometimes

[okasha]

213. Why, then, say "Thank you, ma'am."

[Armstead]

214. No tip though...sorry

[okasha]

218. See, you're recovering already.

Now pucker up and practice that dog whistle!

[Armstead]

219. Sorry but you've got it

[cali]

168. that's nice. go listen to some of her anti-undocumented rhetoric.

She was quite vocal on the subject in 2008. And I can't tell you how many times I've been I formed by Hillary supporters here that Sanders work in the civil rights movement when he was young is irrelevant.

[Gothmog]

170. And yet Sanders is not getting any traction with Hispanic voters

I wonder why? Maybe his supporters are not helping?

[Armstead]

164. Sanders is no less steller than Clinton

They have basically similar positions. Neither is in favor of open borders, and both have been skeptical on guest worker programs.

This is not exactly open arms c'mon on in:

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Immigration.htm
"Because of employers who exploit undocumented workers & drive down wages, there are job losses. What we have to do is to bring our country together to have a comprehensive immigration reform solution. If we can tighten our borders, crack down on employer who exploit workers, help local communities cope with the cost that they often have to contend with, help our friends to the south create more jobs for their own people, and if we take what we know to be the realities that we confront--12 to 14 million people here, what will we do with them? What we’ve got to do is to say, come out of the shadows. We will register everyone. We will check, because if you have committed a crime in this country or the country you came from, you will have to be deported. For the vast majority of people who are here, we will give you a path to legalization if you meet the following condition: pay a fine because you entered illegally, be willing to pay back taxes over time, try to learn English, and then you wait in line. "


A few years ago, but maybe she's evolved ion this issue too.

[dsc]

169. that was pretty much Bush's immigration reform in 2007

which Sanders opposed (and not for being too ungenerous to immigrants). She has since this time explicitly supported citizenship.

[Armstead]

177. So does Sanders, and he had valid reasons for 2007 vote

You might not agree with Sander's reasons -- not too far from Clinton's stated concerns at the time -- about employers abusing guest worker status to screw Americans out of jobs. Fine.

But please don't feed the disingenuous meme that "ooooooooo Sanders is anti immigrant....oooooooo Sanders has 'problems with Latinos."

This is bullshit, Fucking Bullshit.

Yes I'm angry and spouting off. I don't give a rat's ass if someone believes Sanders is too far "left" or any of the otehr standard fare opposition suff. (Well I do give a shit, but at least that's honest disagreement."

But this FUCKING BULLSHIT -- YES, FUCKING BULLSHIT -- that he is insensitive to., doesn't care about and has problems with blacks, women, Latinos, gays..pick a minority, or pro-gun ....is crap because it is totally contrary to reality and who he is.

That's just crap.

[Chan790]

128. I doubt Joaquin Castro's integrity. n/t

[Cha]

189. Good! That's a badge of honor for him!

[Chan790]

231. If he wants to view it that way...

more power to him. All I know is that he's joined the list of Democrats I think we can do better without.

[Cha]

249. I view it that it way.. It's a Badge of HONOR for Joaquin Castro!

[Chan790]

251. Well...bully for both of you then.

I'll throw a party in your honor.

[Cha]

256. Thank you, HUD SEC Joaquin Castro!

[still_one]

130. Bernie Sanders criticizes ‘open borders’ at Hispanic Chamber of Commerce

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) found himself at odds with some immigration reform advocates Thursday, defending his 2007 vote against a comprehensive immigration bill and telling an audience hosted by the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce that "open borders" were a threat to American jobs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/07/30/bernie-sanders-criticizes-open-borders-at-hispanic-chamber-of-commerce/

So many in this thread assUme that this is some "elaborate Hillary dirty trick"

How about maybe he is asking a legitimate question?

Are some on DU suggesting that there are some questions out of bounds? Some believe that blaming Hillary for Ambassador Stevens death is a fair question. Sometimes, what comes around, goes around doesn't it

[cali]

131. who supports completely open borders? And atleast, unlike hilly, he doesn't support

sending undocumented children back.

Oh and it's not elaborate. It's a tactic Hillary's campaign used liberally in 2008. Furthermore, this is a very structured campaign. They hold trainings for surrogates. And it's a pattern.

Castro lied. Bernie has reached out multiple occasions to the Latino community, and it's absurd to believe that Castro didn't know that or that Bernie had campaigned in his state.

Not an elaborate dirty trick, just standard operating procedure for a Clinton campaign.

[Armstead]

161. Um so does Clinton

"Tighten our borders?"

How about this welcoming phrase?

"we will give you a path to legalization if you meet the following condition: pay a fine because you entered illegally, be willing to pay back taxes over time, try to learn English, and then you wait in line. "

She is not all that different than Sanders on the issue in a general sense. Not that that's a bad thing. But her surrogates should not be misrepresenting.

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Immigration.htm

Because of employers who exploit undocumented workers & drive down wages, there are job losses. What we have to do is to bring our country together to have a comprehensive immigration reform solution. If we can tighten our borders, crack down on employer who exploit workers, help local communities cope with the cost that they often have to contend with, help our friends to the south create more jobs for their own people, and if we take what we know to be the realities that we confront--12 to 14 million people here, what will we do with them? What we’ve got to do is to say, come out of the shadows. We will register everyone. We will check, because if you have committed a crime in this country or the country you came from, you will have to be deported. For the vast majority of people who are here, we will give you a path to legalization if you meet the following condition: pay a fine because you entered illegally, be willing to pay back taxes over time, try to learn English, and then you wait in line.

[sadoldgirl]

184. Oh, I did not know that HRC wants to open the borders.

When did she do that? Is Mexico then to be considered
the 51st state?

[cascadiance]

133. Well, perhaps ask protestors why they WOULD NOT LET Bernie speak on immigration issues at NetRoots?

He was trying to speak on the topic of immigration issues there, when he was kept from speaking there. Perhaps the wrong people are being blamed?

Would those in Seattle also say that Bernie doesn't care about social security because "he didn't speak on it" when he was prevented from doing so when in Seattle by other protestors?

[William769]

135. Kick & highly recommended!

[okasha]

155. It's a hoot, isn't it?

[William769]

175. Yes it is.

[Armstead]

182. Yes distacting smears are such fun

A barrell o'laffs.

[okasha]

204. No, you and your buds are.

And you are having such fun smearing Joaquin Castro. And you can hear that whistle blow/ A hundred miles.

[Armstead]

206. I'm glad you're having fun...Really

Really, glad

[William769]

211. If you ony knew how funny your post is to the masses.

I won't even mention the pot meeting the kettle. Oops to late.

[Bluenorthwest]

199. Castro says Sanders has not been to Texas but Sanders has had two large rallies in Texas.

So Castro is either ranting away without having bothered to learn the facts or he's simply spouting lies he knows are lies.

[Thinkingabout]

174. Joaquin Castro wants representation for Latinos, perhaps he has not felt Bernie reaching where the

Major Latino population lives.

[cali]

180. he flat out lied, but you defend all things Hillary like no one else.

No matter how contemptible.

[Thinkingabout]

185. Perhaps I missed Bernie's visit to the Valley.

[Armstead]

188. Oh gosh, he hasn't even been to my STATE yet.

I feel so slighted

[Thinkingabout]

190. Not my problem.

[Armstead]

195. Not mine either...nor is is it every other damn valley and county or state's problem....

nor is it every other damn valley and county or state's he hasn't managed to visit in the last 3 months problem....

[Armstead]

183. Last I heard Sanders has a phone

[Bluenorthwest]

191. Yeah, no Latinos in Huston, Dallas or Phoenix. 3 SW rallies so far.

Please post the list of Hillary events in the South West since campaign's start. I expect it to be exhaustive.

[Gothmog]

196. The Houston event was 90% white

My county party chair went to that event to check out the composition of the attendees and then was attacked by a local paper for being a socialist http://www.democraticunderground.com/107827740 The term socialist does not do well in polling for a reason

[Bluenorthwest]

210. And yet Houston is in Texas, where Castro says Sanders has never been.

And that post you linked to sure does not support your assertion about the demographics of the crowd. I see no source for that statistic at all, just lots of nonsense from you about 'socialism'.

[Gothmog]

217. Do you wonder why people are not rushing to support Sanders?

His supporters are not helping Sanders' cause at all

[Bluenorthwest]

222. What the fuck does that mean? You are the one defending the liar Castro. It is you who makes your

candidate look bad, dishonest and willing to slime others with blatantly false smears. Your random insults when confronted with facts do not help you.
I don't care for that. This is about Castro lying. It's not about me or you. You do that because you can not in fact think of a way to defend Castro's lie. Or his ranting on like that without having any respect for the subject, without any knowledge of Sanders campaigning in Texas. That's the subject here. Try to stick to it.

[Gothmog]

223. Again, it is no wonder why people are being turned off of Sanders by his supporters

[Bluenorthwest]

187. So Castro lies casually while denigrating others unjustly. Good to know.

I don't know much about him, now that's all I ever need to know. He had to have known Bernie has been to Texas, so he's just a liar.

[Thinkingabout]

192. I don't think I would go there.

[Bluenorthwest]

203. What does that mean? He's either spouting off on a subject he respects so little he did not learn

the facts or he is lying. Those are the choices. There are no other choices. So go where you like.

[Thinkingabout]

212. I agree he stated Bernie did not go to Texas when in fact he did, he stated Bernie did not go to the

Valley which he did not, Latinos are the majority in the Valley.

[Bluenorthwest]

215. And Hillary has been to THE Valley 112 times since she announced? Or zero?

She's not been to my State since 08. Nor my valley.

[cali]

208. he lied. deal with it

[Autumn]

296. Read the article. Castro lied twice, the reporter who wrote the article included the truth.

It's real easy to go there.

[Gothmog]

193. Clinton Natl Political Director Amanda Renteria is a Latina "First"

I was trying to hold off on my first round of campaign contributions to the Clinton campaign but this thread has convinced me to pay a decent amount to go see Amanda Renteria tomorrow. Amanda is an impressive pereson who is reported to be in line to be Hillary Clinton's COS if she is elected (this is from the invitation e-mail). I looked Amanda up and she is impressive http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/clintons-political-director-amanda-renteria-latina-first-n342256

Latinas played a role in trying to get Clinton elected in 2008. Patti Solis Doyle had served as her campaign manager, the first Latina to lead a presidential campaign, until Clinton suffered a bad showing in Iowa.

Like other women, Latinas have higher voting turnout rates than their male counterparts.

Renteria, 40, is a little younger than Solis Doyle, now 49, was when she took on Clinton's 2008 campaign. Renteria's father is an immigrant from Mexico who worked in the farm fields of the Central Valley of California.

BTW, Joaquin Castro was the guest of honor and main speaker at a county fund raiser last cycle and is a very nice young man whose wife grew up not to far from where I grew up (several years after I left the RGV).

Hillary Clinton has been reaching out to Hispanic voters for a long time. In 1972, she registered votes in the Rio Grande Valley for McGovern. In 2008, her core supporters included Hispanic leaders and voters.

This should be a fun event but I was on the fence about going until I read some of the posts on this thread. I decided that it was time to donate some money to the Clinton Campaign and to see the extent of her Hispanic outreach. Motivating Hispanic voters has been the holy grail of Texas Democrats in that if Texas Hispanic voters voted in the same percentages as California Hispanics, Texas would be a blue state.

Have fun on the internet. The real world is also a fun place to work on political issues

[cali]

209. And he still lied.

[Gothmog]

216. Your rather sad posts are what convinced me to donate to Clinton and go see this lady

Thank you for the motivation. Keep up the good work.

[riversedge]

299. Good cause. Thank you

[Starry Messenger]

271. She is impressive. I donated to her when she ran in the last election.

Renteria was a great choice by HRC. I hope you will give us a mini-report on the event.

[madville]

198. It will get much worse

Hillary's liars will be out in full force in the next 5 months. They will be working hard to secure their future cabinet, administration, ambassadorship appointments, etc. No one wants to be stuck in Congress forever right?

[George II]

221. "Contrary to Castro's statement, Sanders has visited Texas as a candidate"

You should check the context in which he said it. He was referring to visiting Texas to talk to Latinos about their issues, not just fly in to Dallas for a quick appearance, recite his now weary stump speech in front of a friendly crowd of howling teenagers, then disappear for his next appearance in Houston.

Unlike Clinton, who gets out and talks to people, he never gets out and mingles with the people from whom he's hoping to gain support.

As the article points out, Castro said that Sandes hasn't reached out to the Latino Community in Texas, and on that score he's 100% correct!

Had everyone READ the article instead of just immediately jumped on Castro because he's supporting Clinton, they would have read this:

"Castro clarified Monday he was specifically referring to Sanders visiting predominantly Hispanic communities in Texas. In July, Sanders held rallies in Dallas and Houston that drew thousands of supporters."

[Bluenorthwest]

225. "I've never met the gentleman. {He} has not visited Texas or the Rio Grande Valley."

And yet he's been to Texas, held large rallies full of Texans and Hillary has not been to Texas as candidate at all. So 'He has not visited Texas' but he has, while Castro's candidate actually has not visited Texas.
It's so deeply dishonest it hurts. His lack of respect for the issue is apparent, he exploits it for the benefit of his agenda without any regard for truth. Vile.

[George II]

226. You didn't read the article, did you.

[Autumn]

264. I read it. "He has not visited Texas or the Rio Grande Valley," on Sunday

He has not visited Texas, fucking clear as day. In black and white. He lied to the people in that Mexican restaurant.
Now on Monday he did clarify that but quite frankly I don't care what he said Monday, Sunday he, (1.) fucking lied or (2.) he hasn't got a clue what is going on in his state. I'm gonna pick #1.

Castro also lied when he said Bernie was been missing in action when Trump has been attacking people for being in the country illegally. Bernie addressed that as recently as Friday at the Democratic National Committee's summer meeting in Minneapolis. That's in the article, oh maybe Castro didn't know about that either. That guy has a problem. He seems to play fast and loose with the truth. I'll just use Castro's words, "That's a bit of a concern,"

Tells me all I need to know about Castro

[George II]

281. I wish I could post this in BIGGER FONT....................

"Castro clarified Monday he was specifically referring to Sanders visiting predominantly Hispanic communities in Texas. In July, Sanders held rallies in Dallas and Houston that drew thousands of supporters."

Sanders has NOT visited any Hispanic communities in Texas to discuss their issues. He flew into Dallas, did his boring stump speech, disappeared, reappeared in Houston to AGAIN deliver his stump speech, then high-tailed it out of town.

That was his "visit" to Texas.

[Autumn]

283. On SUNDAY

"I want to say this in all frankness. I didn't come here to knock any of the candidates, but Sen. Sanders has not reached out to the Hispanic caucus in Congress, has not reached out to me. I've never met the gentleman. He has not visited Texas or the Rio Grande Valley," Castro, a San Antonio Democrat, said during a stop at a Mexican restaurant here where an Iowan asked him to assess the Democratic candidates and their relationships with the Latino community.

Castro went on to suggest Sanders, a Vermont independent running for president as a Democrat, has been missing in action as some Republican candidates — including bomb-throwing businessman Donald Trump — have intensified their attacks on people in the country illegally. Earlier in the event, Castro said Latinos "have become a piñata" in the 2016
"This campaign's been going on for a while already, and I know he's been very busy and I respect that," Castro said of Sanders. "I respect him a lot, but this community matters and especially in this moment, this moment when the community's getting kicked around, it concerns me that there hasn't been any outreach, hardly at all. And I'll just leave it at that."

"The assertion that Sen. Sanders has not spoken out about Trump or on Latino issues is incorrect," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said in an email, pointing out that the senator strongly criticized the real estate mogul as recently as Friday at the Democratic National Committee's summer meeting in Minneapolis.

I doubt the Iowans at that Mexican restaurant who asked him to assess the Democratic candidates and their relationships with the Latino community even knew about his clarifications on MONDAY on his misleading statement on SUNDAY

That's a bit of a concern. And I'll just leave it at that.

[George II]

290. You're still refusing to read EVERYTHING that he said. ..bye!

[Autumn]

295. I don't need to comment on that. that's not the point

The point is he lied to people on Sunday, doesn't matter if he clarified it somewhere else on Monday.

This is what he said to people in Iowa on Sunday

"I want to say this in all frankness. I didn't come here to knock any of the candidates, but Sen. Sanders has not reached out to the Hispanic caucus in Congress, has not reached out to me. I've never met the gentleman. He has not visited Texas or the Rio Grande Valley," Castro, a San Antonio Democrat, said during a stop at a Mexican restaurant here where an Iowan asked him to assess the Democratic candidates and their relationships with the Latino community

And in the article Castro went on to say that while people like Trump have attacked Hispanics for being here illegally Bernie has remained silent,

Another lie. Bernie addressed that on Friday two days before Casto said this and Trump specifically, at the Democratic National Committee's summer meeting in Minneapolis. Read the article. This Texas reporter covered all the bases in this story.

Your post;

"Castro clarified Monday he was specifically referring to Sanders visiting predominantly Hispanic communities in Texas. In July, Sanders held rallies in Dallas and Houston that drew thousands of supporters."

Sanders has NOT visited any Hispanic communities in Texas to discuss their issues. He flew into Dallas, did his boring stump speech, disappeared, reappeared in Houston to AGAIN deliver his stump speech, then high-tailed it out of town.

That was his "visit" to Texas.

A lie travels around the globe while the truth is putting on its shoes. He knows that. Two lies there in Iowa to people on Sunday and he clarifies his remarks somewhere else on Monday. He knows how it works and he smeared Bernie with his lies. Change the subject and try to divert it all you want, that doesn't change what he did.

[okasha]

229. Wrong.

Hillary was in McAllen for an organizing meeting a few weeks ago. McAllen, by the way is in the Lower Valley, a border city with a large Hispanic population (78%).

[George II]

235. BINGO!

To think we have someone in this thread who has repeatedly called Castro a "liar" or that he is "lying", yet the post you responded to just happens to show up!

Makes me want to post this video again:

[okasha]

245. Oh, indeed.Now we can either

jump the hell all over Bluenorthwest for lying, or we can assume he's just made a mistake.

I say let's be nice and let karma deal.

[George II]

247. I have never called someone else a liar on this site.

[okasha]

254. I think I've called a DU'er a liar once.

Bush, more times than I can count.

[freshwest]

263. And Democrats, none at all. Errors are made. Remember the GOP yelling 'Liar!' at PBO during a SOTU?

It just FEELS that way to me and one could say one is wrong, but the term 'liar' is character assassination and not necessary for someone who is clearly on our side.

I don't mean the HRC side, but the Democratic Party and its platform side. When you malign the person, you malign the other as well and their supporters.

I only call the GOP lying in general, because of their blabber trying to convince people their platform is something other than what it is, the Koch agenda. It speaks for itself. Democrats don't have that millstone around their necks...

[hrmjustin]

236. Yes she has been to Texas as a candidate.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/04/hillary-clinton-in-texas-tries-to-win-over-forlorn-democrats/?_r=0

[George II]

238. She actually has been there twice - June to Austin for her big voting rights address, and August....

...to McAllen, less than 10 miles from the Rio Grande.

[hrmjustin]

227. If you read the article Sanders admits he needs to do better at outreach to minority communities.

[jfern]

267. Gosh, that totally excuses Hillary having pants on fire liars

[hrmjustin]

268. Care to explain your hysterical response?

[jfern]

270. Try reading the OP

[hrmjustin]

273. I did read it. Try answering my question.

[1StrongBlackMan]

277. But, per his supporters ...

he has done enough ... It's time to move on to things that REALLY matter.

[hrmjustin]

279. And how dare anyone else say or think different.

[Armstead]

285. Noooooooooooo, not quite

He has to do a hell of a lot on a hell of a lot of fronts.

IT's called building a campaign. A lot to do. Especially if one is not in the $500,000 per speech club

That a lot different than the bullshit innuendo -- worse than innunendo actually --,that Castro's "concern" is meant to fuel.

[1StrongBlackMan]

288. What "innuendo"? ...

Is that the same thing as the "it's implied" and/or "dog whistle" that DU:Bernie is running around with, of late?

[Armstead]

292. The uncompleted logistical challenges of a campaign, meaning more than it is

That innuendo.

Oh gosh, Bernie hasn't gone to a specific valley in Texas witth a large Hispanic population. Therefore, he doesn't care about Hispanics, which just reflects his larger callousness about social issues is his bigoted inability to relate to minorities.

That innuendo.

It would be one thing had Castro simply said "I support Hillary Clinton because I know she is a supporter of Hispanics and has the best immigration policies of all the candidates....ect"

But noooooooooo. They couldn't leave it at that. He had to raise "concern" over what a think-headed racist Sanders is -- and that was the innuendo, and you damn well know it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

293. Okay. It must be really tiring to go through all of that to find offense. n/t

[Armstead]

294. It's tiring, but requires no effort to find that shit. All it takes is watching the news....

I can't speak for others, but here's the difference.

See an article about some politician who is endorsing a candidate opposed to one you support.

"Nuts. Oh well....." Life goes on.

See that candidate has to add to the inaccurate lies about your candidate -- Rovian smears -- and the reaction is "Wait a minute, this is f'in wrong! #$%^&%$@@"

[1StrongBlackMan]

297. Okay. n/t

[Hiraeth]

253. U.S. Rep. Joaquin Castro is either incredibly uninformed or a liar.

[Autumn]

262. I'm shocked, shocked I say that Hillary's probable VP candidate would lie about Bernie.

However this half Latina questions Hillary's commitment to the Latino community. Bernie has reached out to me. I imagine that had Castro really wanted to meet Bernie he could have gotten off his ass and made an effort to do so. But alas, los jóvenes ya no respetan a sus mayores That is to say, young people no longer respect their elders. That young man is a fool to lie and say Bernie has not been to Texas, he certainly has. He has also called out Trump on his attacks, both of those truths are in the article. It's a shame a Texas democrat isn't aware of that.

[Godhumor]

272. Wrong Castro as probable VP nominee

Most are hoping for Julian Castro (HUD Secretary).

[Autumn]

274. Oh his brother? Well that explains his action.

Keeping Hillary's and his brothers hands clean.

[cherokeeprogressive]

282. This is for sure: We shan't be questioning the Castro Brothers' wish to climb that political ladder.

[SunSeeker]

287. K & R

[Thinkingabout]

298. I have read the article, I have posted Bernie has Texas twice, in Dallas and Houston, Joaquin said

Bernie has not visited the Rio Grande valley, do you know of an occasion in which he visited the Rio Grande Valley? Where do you think the largest population of Latinos are in Texas?

[R B Garr]

304. Exactly. Just flying to Texas for your own self-promotion doesn't mean he met with

the Hispanic community, and that was the point. And common sense says that they would like to get to know him before they support him, and he hasn't arranged that. Has nothing to do with Hillary whatsoever.

[MoveIt]

302. the flop sweat is palpable