Bernie Sanders and Bill Bradley: A Parallel

[ericson00]

Everyone here, and a lot in the media are saying OMGZZ Bernie could pull an Obama. Aside from that many fallacies of this, this race between Hillary and Bernie looks more like 2000, with Al Gore and Bill Bradley. It wasn't always a Gore easy landslide in the polls in 1999, as in 2015.

Vice President Al Gore and former Senator Bill Bradley remain in a statistical dead heat in the wake of he first face-to-face meeting between the two candidates Wednesday night, according to a new CNN/Gallup poll. However, Bradley has a slight advantage among New Hampshire Democratic primary voters who watched at least some of the town meeting.

How'd Bradley fare in the 2000 primaries? He won zero states. Sure, Bernie will probably win New Hampshire, and may even do well in Iowa, but like Bradley, Sanders has very little non-white support. So dream on, Clinton-haters and detractors.

[Scootaloo]

1. Actually it most resembles the Whig primaries of 1840

I mean come ON, how could you miss that?!



The 2016 primary resembles the 2016 primary. And Bernie's doing alright.

[rogerashton]

2. Why is it always about hate? eom

[LondonReign2]

3. Kucinich comparisons not working anymore?

I'd like to hear why Hillary's policies would make her a better President and why they will be good for Americans.

All the time spent parsing polls to try to prove Bernie can't win seems like a hulluva lot of wasted time and effort. meanwhile, he just keeps going up anyway.

[ram2008]

4. 15 years ago before the advent of social media...

Before most of America even had high-speed internet. Completely different landscape.

[hrmjustin]

5. K&R!

[artislife]

6. Hillary 2016 and Hillary 2008: A parallel

It's deja vu all over again.

[virtualobserver]

7. get back to us when Bernie stops rising and Hillary stops dropping in the polls

then we can do some actual analysis......If Hillary keeps dropping who knows who else might jump into the race.

[stevenleser]

31. Bernie said that Hillary wasn't dropping. Why are you contradicting your candidate? nt

[JackInGreen]

35. Bluedog hack is a bluedog hack

You've got nothing new, Chumley.

[virtualobserver]

40. Bernie and I have many disagreements...... he has threatened ...

.......me with rain when I wanted it to be fine; he has found fault with the hanging of my curricle, and I cannot persuade him to buy my brown mare. If it will be any satisfaction to you, however, to be told that I believe his character to be in other respects irreproachable.....

[hedda_foil]

8. Gollly, Andy ... that looks to me like a brand spanking new talking point.

Taking that shiny new object out for a test drive are you?

Too bad Bradley never sufficiently differentiated himself from Gore. I don't think Bernie has that problem.

[aikoaiko]

9. It didn't work out so well for Gore, if you recall.

Dream on. Dream on. Dream on until your dreams come true.

[Tommy2Tone]

10. This country will never elect a Pacifist/Conscientious objector to be president

[Le Taz Hot]

11. Yeah, the "experts" also said that we'd never elect

a "half black, half white man by the name of Barack Obama" either.

[Tommy2Tone]

12. You got me there..Good point.

[merrily]

39. Barack HUSSEIN Obama, Jr., son of a Kenyan Muslim.

When he announced for the Presidency, Bushco raised the alert to code orange, based on his name alone.

[HereSince1628]

14. They elected some guys that dodged their service.

Jingoism is fading. People are tired of war.

It's my understanding Sanders was denied CO status, but he was never drafted.
His record on Vietnam service technically looks similar to Bill Clintons.

Neither got called up.

And yes, Bill Clinton was against the war and tried to arrange a deal through a relative to cope with the draft, but a change to lottery based on birthdays coughed up a safe number first. I know the history of the draft for his birthday because I share it (but from a different year).

Cheney took 5 deferments because he had 'better things to do'... he was the real president for 7 years. Only his failing heart gave W courage to take back the reins of leadership in the last year

[TSIAS]

13. To contiue that parallel

Clinton wins the primary, faces Bush in the general election. Clinton runs a weak campaign, but narrowly ekes out a majority of popular votes and wins Florida, yet is eventually defeated by Republican chicanery.

[ericson00]

15. Clinton is not tactically lame enough to bet on beating a rigged game unless

she's moving to landslide, which Moody's now says will happen. Also, Jeb is no smooth-talking fake redneck like W. and couldn't even win in 1994, when Republicans did well. Jeb is not gonna come close to Hillary.

PS: Al Gore, like Bill Clinton, won a plurality (relative majority) of the popular vote, not absolute majority. Not that I think it means anything, (the highest number of votes is the highest number of votes, Abe Lincoln in 1860 included, unlike W. in 2000, Hayes in 1876, and Harrison in 1888) but I've also seen people who hate Clintons' centrism seem to like Gore but forget his centrism too, merely liking the martyr thing he has going. In both Clinton and Gore's case, the 3rd party hurt them a lot more than the Republicans. But I'm not going into that issue again, this is just a correction.

[frylock]

16. I can't wait for the comparisons to the 2008 election..

where you'll tell us that Clinton is like Obama, and Sanders is like Clinton.

[Scootaloo]

18. But who was phone?!

[JackInGreen]

36. 2spooky4me

Well meme'd, my friend.

[morningfog]

17. Do you embrace the term Billary, too?

[Reter]

19. If Hillary wins the nomination, it's won't be the only parallel to 2000

The other will be a Bush win.

[ericson00]

20. Hillary's beating Jeb in head to head matchups, and she's also not a socialist

tho Bernie would get owned by Jebya.

[AtomicKitten]

21. Keep those fingers and toes crossed!

[JI7]

22. Bradley never got the Crowds that Sanders is getting

[ericson00]

23. Ron Paul had crowds

how'd he do against Barack Obama?

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. Do the tires on your goalpost have a M+S on the sidewall?

That'd be Mud+Snow. Maybe they say All-Terrain?

Oh, and is your goalpost powered by a V-6 or a V-8? Turbo or Blower?

You made the jump from Bradley to Paul like a Pro...

[ericson00]

25. Bernie is a socialist and is never getting the nomination

its just a sideshow to slow down Hillary. She is inevitable.

[cherokeeprogressive]

26. "Inevitable" with a "co-president".

Yup Yup.

[Major Hogwash]

32. Rand Paul came to Boise, Idaho last Friday . . . he couldn't draw flies, let alone crowds.

At "the rally" that Rand Paul held downtown, the one that was scheduled to start just before noon in Boise, the auditorium was so empty 15 minutes before he was scheduled to speak to all of his supporters, that if you were quiet, you could hear 2 people talking to each other in the back row while they were speaking to each other using a normal level of conversation clear from the stage!

Sooooo, Rand cancelled "the rally" and instead opted to take a walk to meet and greet "real people" on the street.
To say it didn't go well is to exaggerate just how pathetic it turned out for him.

There were 2 cameramen walking with him positioned on either side of him, 1 cameraman behind him, and 1 cameraman in front of him, all trying to capture footage of the great one and only Rand Paul shaking hands with his enthusiastic supporters in Idaho.
However, it turned out to be more like "Hi, I'm Rand Paul, and I'm running for President" and then he would stick out his hand to the person he just suddenly stopped on the sidewalk.
Most of those "real people" just looked at him with a surprised "WTF are you doing here?" look on their face.

That's because nobody knew Paul was going to be in town until he announced his visit here on Tuesday.
So, after they got over their initial shock, most of them made a quick milquetoast handshake, just to be polite, and then made a quicker exit, hoping that their face was not caught by any of the cameras in his "posse".

[PatrickforO]

27. OK. If you say so.

But the primaries haven't happened yet. I'm supporting Bernie because he stands for me. His stance on the issues is absolutely what I think this nation needs. I'm supporting Bernie because of that, and I'm gonna do my best to help him win. That includes house parties, probably yard signs, donations and perhaps housing a couple of his campaign workers.

Bernie speaks for me!

[MannyGoldstein]

28. LOL! Ever seen Bill Bradley speak?

Just like Bernie, only totally different.

[merrily]

37. Let me shortcut it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1280&pid=40573

[Armstead]

29. Hilkary Clinton 2008....Hillary Clinton today

[madaboutharry]

30. I wonder what Hillary would think about your attitude.

Do you really think this is the best approach?

[ericson00]

33. Its the honest truth

[merrily]

38. LOL!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. I voted for Bradley. I would do it again. I'll vote for Bernie if he's nominated.

[Warren DeMontague]

41. So why waste so much energy trying to convince people on DU not to vote for him?

hillary's got it in the bag, right? Done deal.

You should be drinking mai tais on the beach, or something, no?

[Capt. Obvious]

42. Do you think Hillary Clinton is going to win?

[Amimnoch]

43. Personally I think the parallels are more equal to Ron Paul.