2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI Think Joe Biden Should Be Pissed.....
In my opinion - Joe, as VP, should have been the heir apparent candidate for the Democratic Party for 2016. He's served admirably by the President's side and has been involved with most everything that has gone on in this administration since the initial inauguration. I always thought it was a given that the VP was first in line for the job.
Hillary should have been challenging Joe. Instead - somehow she leaped ahead and is considered the annointed.
How did that happen? Did Joe say he didn't want the job? Or was Hillary promised the spot given that she lost to Obama? Or is just the fact that the Dems want to make history again with electing the first woman president?
Do the Dems now acknowledge that Hillary has serious problems and now are looking for Joe to save the Presidency? Is Bernie considered such a threat to TPTB that they are using Joe to prevent Bernie from becoming the nominee should Hillary flame out?
I think if I was Joe I say I served my country well throughout my career. I made it to VP. I was overlooked by the Party to be their banner carrier in 2016 - it's time for me to retire and enjoy the rest of my life with my family.
I don't think he should run. I'm sure Hillary doesn't think he should run either. I'll let Bernie speak for himself as I know he respects Joe.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Ever.
global1
(25,253 posts)Was it because she appeared to be the strongest arrow in the Dems quiver? Or was she promised the spot after she lost in 2008?
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)No one in our system has the power or authority to promise anyone that spot.
FSogol
(45,490 posts)and started discussing a possible run with donors, bundlers, and supporters. If he is behind HRC, it is because he didn't make moves to show he was intending to run.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)if you doubt that. They were always the "organized" party with a dutifully loyal electorate that could be counted on to support their leadership's choices.
If Joe had wanted to run from the beginning, he certainly could have. He has many advantages, and no one was stopping him. The memory of his very poor showings the two times he did run for president might have been a factor, however.
Also his age. He will be 73 in November. He would be 74 at election after an extremely grueling campaign, 78 at the end of a first term that would age him far more than just the 4 years, and, of course, 82 at the end of a second term that anyone assuming this responsibility is expected in most cases to win and carry out.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)Response to Hortensis (Reply #3)
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SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)And now that he's polling ahead of Bernie, he may just run after all.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)but he hasn't decided yet....so no harm no foul.
msongs
(67,420 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)the 2016 nominee. I mean, top choice by a wide mile. I think that had a huge influence on things. If Biden had been polling at the top, I'm sure the race would have been very different from the start.
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)That negates your whole point.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)And not every VP runs and wins the nomination. Alben Barkley wasn't an "heir-apparent."
Dems aren't "acknowledging" dick. Dems continue to endorse Hillary and she's still ahead by large amounts in the polls. Its the media that doesn't honour the Clintons.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)It is the privilege of being the sitting VP, as it has always been. But the Clintons play by their own rules and their narcissism prevents them from deferring to protocol and traditions of the party. It's all about them. They put their big shoes on and screw everybody else.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)"Hillary should have been challenging Joe. Instead - somehow she leaped ahead and is considered the annointed."
There are a group of people that still feel Hillary should have been anointed back in 2008.