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PPP (D) Palmetto State Poll -Clinton 54% Biden 24% Sanders 9% (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 OP
Sanders is crumbling nt Doingto Sep 2015 #1
Sanders will take care of himself...No need for me to rattle his supporters cages. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #2
A "very select portion" - the Liberals. Maedhros Sep 2015 #4
My gay and working class friends are for HRC but I concede the limits of anecdotal information DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #5
Bernie's platform is traditional Democratic boilerplate. Maedhros Sep 2015 #15
Lol. Sure, 30 year old white males, 40 year old white males stevenleser Sep 2015 #25
In my group of Bernie volunteers, women are in the majority. JDPriestly Sep 2015 #27
Doesn't matter. The overall demographics are well documented. nt stevenleser Sep 2015 #35
I've never doubted that she'll be the nominee. cali Sep 2015 #8
I tried to be civil to you but I couldn't care less... DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #10
I haven't insulted you. I am simply commenting on the race. cali Sep 2015 #12
Lol whatchamacallit Sep 2015 #3
Perfect VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #7
He doesn't have the name recognition of the other two. Skwmom Sep 2015 #21
I tried to tell them VanillaRhapsody Sep 2015 #6
It would be nice to get off the war path but alas that seems impossible. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #9
Me too SCantiGOP Sep 2015 #13
I love Charleston and Hilton Head. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #14
Those Biden numbers are pretty good. Joe the Revelator Sep 2015 #11
No worries. Bernie's got Cornel West helping in SC...nt SidDithers Sep 2015 #16
Key finding... book_worm Sep 2015 #17
K&R! SonderWoman Sep 2015 #18
that's a big uptick in his support there ibegurpard Sep 2015 #19
South Carolina? kenfrequed Sep 2015 #20
South Carolina is far more representative of the Dem party than... SonderWoman Sep 2015 #22
Not ideologically. kenfrequed Sep 2015 #28
But it's not a poll of South Carolinians as a whole. Garrett78 Sep 2015 #31
Nominated for Post of the Week (#31) oasis Sep 2015 #36
Aw shucks. Garrett78 Sep 2015 #38
Are you suggesting that SC Democrats are kooks? nt Doingto Sep 2015 #29
No. kenfrequed Sep 2015 #30
Isn't Hillary's lead in SC about the same nationally? Nt Doingto Sep 2015 #33
Democrats in SC are more conservative than the "rest of the nation? Doingto Sep 2015 #34
Sad to see our fellow Palmetto State Democrats thrown under the bus. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #32
Don't forget the last five presidents have all won the South Carolina primary. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #42
Looking good. oasis Sep 2015 #23
Good poll numbers in SC leftofcool Sep 2015 #24
Really impressive numbers for Clinton and Biden. SouthernProgressive Sep 2015 #26
Establishment poll JackInGreen Sep 2015 #37
Biden is climbing and he's not officially in the race. Poor Chris Christie, LOL! Stellar Sep 2015 #39
Bernie certainly isnt getting any traction in the southern states. DCBob Sep 2015 #40
FIXED DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2015 #41
Agree with your fix! DCBob Sep 2015 #43

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
2. Sanders will take care of himself...No need for me to rattle his supporters cages.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 07:52 PM
Sep 2015

I am very happy where my 1a choice-Clinton and my 1b choice-Biden is.

Senator Sanders appeals to a very select portion of the electorate.


 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
4. A "very select portion" - the Liberals.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 07:59 PM
Sep 2015

And unionists, the working class, immigrants, LGBTQ persons, etc....

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
25. Lol. Sure, 30 year old white males, 40 year old white males
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 06:58 AM
Sep 2015

50 year old white males, he has broad based support among white males of all ages.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
27. In my group of Bernie volunteers, women are in the majority.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:45 AM
Sep 2015

Anecdotal. But it is false to think that women are rushing to support Hillary.

It all depends on how voters view the issues.

Bernie will be campaigning in South Carolina.

South Carolina is significant in determining who will win the Democratic nomination.

But no matter which candidate wins in South Carolina in the primaries, it will be difficult for that candidate to win the electoral college votes from that state in the general election.

South Carolina has only 9 electoral college votes (California has 55) and is considered a state that will vote Republican no matter what.

http://www.270towin.com/states/South_Carolina

If we Democrats select our candidate based on how South Carolina votes in the primary, we are fools.

Our job is to make sure we win the swing states like Ohio, Florida and get many, many voters out in blue states so that we can hold Congress.

I strongly suppor the 50-state strategy, but we also have to be realistic.

It would take a miracle for any Democrat including Hillary to win South Carolina in the general election. It is not worth selecting a more conservative candidate for 2016 just to please Democrats in a state like South Carolina or Alabama since those states are not going to vote for a Democrat in the 2016 election anyway.

Those of us in real blue states should vote for real blue candidates because we are more likely to be able to motivate our Democrats to vote in the general election if we are excited about our candidate.

Feel the Bern!

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
8. I've never doubted that she'll be the nominee.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 08:06 PM
Sep 2015

And I have no doubt that she'll lose the general. She's a disaster.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. I tried to be civil to you but I couldn't care less...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 08:14 PM
Sep 2015

I tried to be civil to you but I couldn't care less what you think of me, the candidates I support, and the electoral prospects of the candidates I support.

Have a nice evening.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
21. He doesn't have the name recognition of the other two.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:33 AM
Sep 2015


“It’s not that African Americans don’t like him,” Jensen said of Sanders, who will visit a historically black college in Columbia Saturday. “They just don’t know him.”

Nice try.....
 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
6. I tried to tell them
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 08:05 PM
Sep 2015

Sane thing happened in Georgia and Florida polls too

Sanders cannot win with a white male base....

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
9. It would be nice to get off the war path but alas that seems impossible.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 08:07 PM
Sep 2015

I am elated with the high probability Hillary or Joe will be our party's standard bearer next Fall.

SCantiGOP

(13,871 posts)
13. Me too
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 08:44 PM
Sep 2015

I love Bernie but we can't take a chance of losing the general election.
I've been involved in SC politics for decades. Hillary has a lock on SC. The black vote is at least half of the Dem primary, and I haven't heard of a single black elected official not supporting HRC.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
14. I love Charleston and Hilton Head.
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 08:48 PM
Sep 2015

I was at the Charleston Omni the day after the 1992 election. There were two African American gentleman in their 60s who were part of the hotel staff reading The State. One said to the other "He (Clinton) kicked his (Bush's) ass, lol...


book_worm

(15,951 posts)
17. Key finding...
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 09:27 PM
Sep 2015

In the poll, 32 percent of African Americans gave Sanders a favorable rating, compared to the more than 70 percent favorability ratings given Biden and Clinton.

Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article34403052.html#storylink=cpy

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
20. South Carolina?
Tue Sep 8, 2015, 11:37 PM
Sep 2015

One of the most conservative states and placed early on both sides as a kind of firewall against any candidate being too progressive on the Democratic side and too moderate on the Republican side. That South Carolina?

Yeah, of course it is going for Hillary.

 

SonderWoman

(1,169 posts)
22. South Carolina is far more representative of the Dem party than...
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:36 AM
Sep 2015

Iowa and New Hampshire. NH is like 96% white.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
28. Not ideologically.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:46 AM
Sep 2015

It is still conservative as hell in terms of politics. Just because it is closer demographically to the nation as a whole doesn't mean it is more representative of the nation unless you are conceding to that whole bullshit "The US is a center-right nation" that the republicans say a lot.

There are plenty of northern states that have demographics that are closer to the US average that are probably going to be more representative of the Democratic party.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
31. But it's not a poll of South Carolinians as a whole.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 08:07 AM
Sep 2015

It's a poll of South Carolinian Democrats. A subset that is, in fact, more representative of Democrats than you'll find in IA, NH and some other states. Most don't follow politics closely, however. A large percentage of the electorate hasn't even heard of Sanders much less know anything about his views (or how they compare and contrast with Clinton's). Is Sanders more progressive with policy positions that are more likely to help persons of color, women, persons with disabilities, and so on? Of course. But half of the black folks in SC said they don't know enough about Sanders to make a judgment.

But Clinton is a big name, a brand name (and her campaign is taking the whole brand thing to a new level). Perception and money rules the day. And it doesn't matter that poll after poll shows that a large majority of Americans are closer to Sanders than to Clinton ideologically. Because most don't realize that they're closer to Sanders ideologically. Again, a massive number of people (25% of registered voters, according to a CNN poll) haven't so much as heard of Sanders. On top of that, Corporate America isn't going to allow someone like Sanders to become POTUS. I know Sanders supporters hate to hear this, but Sanders has almost no chance at winning the nomination.

Sanders himself said, "no matter who is elected to be president, that person will not be able to address the enormous problems facing the working families of our country. They will not be able to suceed becuase the power of corporate America, the power of Wall Street, the power of campaign donors is so great that no president alone can stand up to them. That is the truth. People may be uncomfortable about hearing it, but that is the reality. And that is why what this campaign is about is saying loudly and clearly: It is not just about electing Bernie Sanders for president, it is about creating a grassroots political movement in this country."

Now, he isn't outright saying he can't get nominated and elected (as that would essentially end his campaign on the spot), but he is outright saying that he "will not be able to succeed" if elected. His campaign is all about, as he said, "creating a grassroots political movement" that can make it so that one day someone such as Sanders or Warren or Jill Stein *can* get elected and *can* succeed once in office.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
30. No.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:55 AM
Sep 2015

I am pointing out they are more conservative than the rest of the nation which is pretty easy to say given the history of their support. What are you fishing here for?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
42. Don't forget the last five presidents have all won the South Carolina primary.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:59 PM
Sep 2015

And don't forget the last three presidents have all lost the New Hampshire primary.


 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
26. Really impressive numbers for Clinton and Biden.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 07:34 AM
Sep 2015

I really wish O'Malley possessed Bidens numbers. At the same time, we know that most of Bidens numbers are going to slide to Clinton. More good news for her. Amazing she has this much of a lead even with Biden in the race. Sanders in single digits. Ouch.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
39. Biden is climbing and he's not officially in the race. Poor Chris Christie, LOL!
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:17 PM
Sep 2015
POLLING IN SC

Democratic presidential primary

54 percent: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton

24 percent: Vice President Joe Biden

9 percent: U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont

2 percent: Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley, former U.S. Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia

1 percent: Former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee


SOURCE: Public Policy Polling
######

GOP presidential primary

37 percent: Donald Trump

21 percent: Ben Carson

6 percent: Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas

4 percent: Carly Fiorina, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida

3 percent: U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham of Seneca, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker

2 percent: Former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania

**1 percent: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry

Not registering: Former New York Gov. George Pataki, former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
40. Bernie certainly isnt getting any traction in the southern states.
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:46 PM
Sep 2015

His sweet spots are far north, east and west coast. Of course that's not enough to win or even get close to winning.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
41. FIXED
Wed Sep 9, 2015, 12:50 PM
Sep 2015

His sweet spots are far north, east and northwestcoast. Of course that's not enough to win or even get close to winning.

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