2016 Postmortem
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http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article34403052.htmlDoingto
(135 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I am very happy where my 1a choice-Clinton and my 1b choice-Biden is.
Senator Sanders appeals to a very select portion of the electorate.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)And unionists, the working class, immigrants, LGBTQ persons, etc....
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)He has wide appeal across the spectrum...
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)50 year old white males, he has broad based support among white males of all ages.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Anecdotal. But it is false to think that women are rushing to support Hillary.
It all depends on how voters view the issues.
Bernie will be campaigning in South Carolina.
South Carolina is significant in determining who will win the Democratic nomination.
But no matter which candidate wins in South Carolina in the primaries, it will be difficult for that candidate to win the electoral college votes from that state in the general election.
South Carolina has only 9 electoral college votes (California has 55) and is considered a state that will vote Republican no matter what.
http://www.270towin.com/states/South_Carolina
If we Democrats select our candidate based on how South Carolina votes in the primary, we are fools.
Our job is to make sure we win the swing states like Ohio, Florida and get many, many voters out in blue states so that we can hold Congress.
I strongly suppor the 50-state strategy, but we also have to be realistic.
It would take a miracle for any Democrat including Hillary to win South Carolina in the general election. It is not worth selecting a more conservative candidate for 2016 just to please Democrats in a state like South Carolina or Alabama since those states are not going to vote for a Democrat in the 2016 election anyway.
Those of us in real blue states should vote for real blue candidates because we are more likely to be able to motivate our Democrats to vote in the general election if we are excited about our candidate.
Feel the Bern!
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)And I have no doubt that she'll lose the general. She's a disaster.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I tried to be civil to you but I couldn't care less what you think of me, the candidates I support, and the electoral prospects of the candidates I support.
Have a nice evening.
cali
(114,904 posts)Sorry if that offends you.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Its not that African Americans dont like him, Jensen said of Sanders, who will visit a historically black college in Columbia Saturday. They just dont know him.
Nice try.....
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Sane thing happened in Georgia and Florida polls too
Sanders cannot win with a white male base....
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I am elated with the high probability Hillary or Joe will be our party's standard bearer next Fall.
SCantiGOP
(13,871 posts)I love Bernie but we can't take a chance of losing the general election.
I've been involved in SC politics for decades. Hillary has a lock on SC. The black vote is at least half of the Dem primary, and I haven't heard of a single black elected official not supporting HRC.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)I was at the Charleston Omni the day after the 1992 election. There were two African American gentleman in their 60s who were part of the hotel staff reading The State. One said to the other "He (Clinton) kicked his (Bush's) ass, lol...
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Come on Joe....
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
book_worm
(15,951 posts)In the poll, 32 percent of African Americans gave Sanders a favorable rating, compared to the more than 70 percent favorability ratings given Biden and Clinton.
Read more here: http://www.thestate.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/the-buzz/article34403052.html#storylink=cpy
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)from previous polls I've seen.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)One of the most conservative states and placed early on both sides as a kind of firewall against any candidate being too progressive on the Democratic side and too moderate on the Republican side. That South Carolina?
Yeah, of course it is going for Hillary.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)Iowa and New Hampshire. NH is like 96% white.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)It is still conservative as hell in terms of politics. Just because it is closer demographically to the nation as a whole doesn't mean it is more representative of the nation unless you are conceding to that whole bullshit "The US is a center-right nation" that the republicans say a lot.
There are plenty of northern states that have demographics that are closer to the US average that are probably going to be more representative of the Democratic party.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)It's a poll of South Carolinian Democrats. A subset that is, in fact, more representative of Democrats than you'll find in IA, NH and some other states. Most don't follow politics closely, however. A large percentage of the electorate hasn't even heard of Sanders much less know anything about his views (or how they compare and contrast with Clinton's). Is Sanders more progressive with policy positions that are more likely to help persons of color, women, persons with disabilities, and so on? Of course. But half of the black folks in SC said they don't know enough about Sanders to make a judgment.
But Clinton is a big name, a brand name (and her campaign is taking the whole brand thing to a new level). Perception and money rules the day. And it doesn't matter that poll after poll shows that a large majority of Americans are closer to Sanders than to Clinton ideologically. Because most don't realize that they're closer to Sanders ideologically. Again, a massive number of people (25% of registered voters, according to a CNN poll) haven't so much as heard of Sanders. On top of that, Corporate America isn't going to allow someone like Sanders to become POTUS. I know Sanders supporters hate to hear this, but Sanders has almost no chance at winning the nomination.
Sanders himself said, "no matter who is elected to be president, that person will not be able to address the enormous problems facing the working families of our country. They will not be able to suceed becuase the power of corporate America, the power of Wall Street, the power of campaign donors is so great that no president alone can stand up to them. That is the truth. People may be uncomfortable about hearing it, but that is the reality. And that is why what this campaign is about is saying loudly and clearly: It is not just about electing Bernie Sanders for president, it is about creating a grassroots political movement in this country."
Now, he isn't outright saying he can't get nominated and elected (as that would essentially end his campaign on the spot), but he is outright saying that he "will not be able to succeed" if elected. His campaign is all about, as he said, "creating a grassroots political movement" that can make it so that one day someone such as Sanders or Warren or Jill Stein *can* get elected and *can* succeed once in office.
oasis
(49,392 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Doingto
(135 posts)I am pointing out they are more conservative than the rest of the nation which is pretty easy to say given the history of their support. What are you fishing here for?
Doingto
(135 posts)Doingto
(135 posts)Can you prove that?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)And don't forget the last three presidents have all lost the New Hampshire primary.
oasis
(49,392 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)I really wish O'Malley possessed Bidens numbers. At the same time, we know that most of Bidens numbers are going to slide to Clinton. More good news for her. Amazing she has this much of a lead even with Biden in the race. Sanders in single digits. Ouch.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Picky establishment cadidate, no surprise.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Democratic presidential primary
54 percent: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
24 percent: Vice President Joe Biden
9 percent: U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont
2 percent: Former Maryland Gov. Martin OMalley, former U.S. Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia
1 percent: Former Rhode Island Gov. Lincoln Chafee
SOURCE: Public Policy Polling
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GOP presidential primary
37 percent: Donald Trump
21 percent: Ben Carson
6 percent: Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas
4 percent: Carly Fiorina, Ohio Gov. John Kasich, U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida
3 percent: U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham of Seneca, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, U.S. Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker
2 percent: Former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania
**1 percent: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, former Texas Gov. Rick Perry
Not registering: Former New York Gov. George Pataki, former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore
DCBob
(24,689 posts)His sweet spots are far north, east and west coast. Of course that's not enough to win or even get close to winning.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)His sweet spots are far north, east and northwestcoast. Of course that's not enough to win or even get close to winning.