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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:10 AM Sep 2015

Another Factoid: When Dems nominate newcomers, they win. When they nominate party veterans....




... they don't.

Over the past 50 years, it almost always has been true.

Just consider the newcomers: Kennedy, Carter, Bill Clinton, Obama.

Now, on the other hand, the veterans: Humphrey, Mondale, Gore*, Kerry*.

Which category would Hillary be classified? And Bernie?






* Election rigging notwithstanding
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Another Factoid: When Dems nominate newcomers, they win. When they nominate party veterans.... (Original Post) reformist2 Sep 2015 OP
Surely both Hillary and Bernie would have to be classified as party veterans. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #1
Bernie's a tricky one - until this summer, he was an unknown to most people. reformist2 Sep 2015 #3
Had Adlai Stevenson won the nomination in 1960... 4139 Sep 2015 #2
Interesting RobertEarl Sep 2015 #4
Martin O’Malley strongest Democratic challenger to Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton. elleng Sep 2015 #5

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
1. Surely both Hillary and Bernie would have to be classified as party veterans.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:36 AM
Sep 2015

As would Biden if he jumps in. I guess O'Malley would qualify as a 'newcomer'.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
3. Bernie's a tricky one - until this summer, he was an unknown to most people.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 10:47 AM
Sep 2015

And yet, he's been around for decades, just not known nationally.

Still, I'd have to classify him as "newcomer," even at age 74! lol
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
4. Interesting
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 02:05 PM
Sep 2015

It does seem the country likes our presidents to be fairly new to the scene.

Bernie is, to most of the people, new to the scene.

elleng

(130,972 posts)
5. Martin O’Malley strongest Democratic challenger to Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 03:13 PM
Sep 2015

Martin O’Malley, on the other hand, is quite a serious candidate despite his lack of name recognition or popular knowledge of his stances. In 2008, Clinton was a frontrunner before a relatively obscure senator from Illinois caught up and stole the nomination.

A similar comparison can easily be drawn to Martin O’Malley. Although he has aggressively promoted himself as a candidate, establishment Democrats have not embraced him. Once he becomes more visible and people take time to listen to his perspective in debates, this will change.

In a December profile of O’Malley published in The Atlantic, he emerges as an ideal candidate. “In two terms as the governor of Maryland, he’s ushered in a sweeping liberal agenda that includes gay marriage, gun control, an end to the death penalty and in-state college tuition for undocumented immigrants,” wrote staff writer Molly Ball. “He’s trim and handsome; he plays in an Irish rock band; he even served as the basis for a character on ‘The Wire.’”

According to a New York Times article in August, O’Malley’s latest crusade as a candidate is his criticism of the Democratic National Committee for changing the debate protocols to benefit Clinton, as he claims. O’Malley is being especially attentive about these debates because he knows when massive audiences get a chance to see and hear him, people will start to take him seriously as a great candidate.

http://www.themiamihurricane.com/2015/09/13/martin-omalley-strongest-democratic-challenger-to-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton/


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