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Related: About this forumLESSIG is a CLUELESS IDIOT if he thinks campaign finance reform will fix our broken government
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that works for the 1%. Really? Campaign finance reform is going to clean up the cesspool in Washington?
All your candidacy will do is deliver the primary election to Clinton. However, based on your comments you don't seem to have a problem with that.
Without candidates with INTEGRITY you will NOT get corruption out of government OR have a government that works for the people. Your comments told me that you really have no problem with how business is done in Washington and no clue how to fix it. And you have NO idea what constitutes integrity.
Should I be surprised? No, after all Bush attended an ivy league school too.
And if he isn't a clueless idiot then he is a willing tool to keep the status quo in place and it makes me wonder what he's been promised. It's a heck of a system we have.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)If you get money out of the election process, the truly venal and corrupt politicians will be drowned out by all the honest voices that for once will be heard.
obnoxiousdrunk
(2,910 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)after you leave office will be taken care of with campaign finance reform? Really.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)the horse is already out of the barn.
msongs
(67,413 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)believe that a man with integrity exists or that our system can be changed. Just imagine where we'd be if the patriots who fought in the American Revolution felt that way? We'd still be under British rule (though some could argue that it's almost like the American Revolution was never fought with the way things are today).
Bernie is not a messiah, but I think he is a GOOD man who will do everything he can to make this government work for the people again. And he will attract a lot of talent with the passion to see that occur.
If they convince you that nothing can change, nothing will, and they will have won.
brooklynite
(94,595 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)But if you sit down and think about all the ways in which government influence is bought and how our democratic process (including the voting process) is broken, and then come up with ways to fix it, I think that we could fix this broken system. It really isn't brain surgery. While things are pretty dire, I still believe we can turn this mess around. Will it be easy? No. But imagine the alternative...
longship
(40,416 posts)Second, I believe he knows he has no chance. But Lessig is a very smart guy. And what he is saying certainly resonates with Democratic Party principles that Citizens United was a very bad decision.
So, not a clueless idiot.
Skwmom
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will work hard for her big money backers and not for the people.
And if he is, I wonder what Lessig is getting out of the deal...
longship
(40,416 posts)which is one I think most Democrats agree with, getting big money out of politics.
I cannot think why anybody could disagree with that.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Is an critical first step in fixing the government. The real cure is getting Americans to vote in every election.
We are a representative democracy.
We the people are supposed to be the leaders, not those we elect.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)won't do the trick. Why do you think that BOTH Democrats AND Republicans fought against further media consolidation?
Haven't you ever noticed how the MMM (Manipulate the Masses Media) will repeat a meme for a couple of weeks and then take a poll that confirms the meme they just pushed?
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Have integrity or are nothing but scum.
Clearly, integrity is subjective.
How do you make integrity a requirement when people can not agree what it is?
As flawed as our system is, getting everyone out to vote rather than limiting the vote to people who agree on integrity is the solution.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Has integrity.
My neighbor thinks Trump has integrity and is a straight shooter who tells it like it is.
I've heard here that Sanders and O'Malley have integrity.
Now throw in several thousand candidates for Congress, Governor, and statehouses with every voter having a different opinion, it sets up a system designed to fail.
Getting people out to vote shows those in power we can hold them responsible.
And if we can dump partisan politics and political polarization we can make the government work like it is supposed to.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)It's one of the most important things that needs to happen! He's just not the one to do it however.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Link: http://www.wolf-pac.com/
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)gimmick "campaign."