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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:11 PM Sep 2015

LESSIG is a CLUELESS IDIOT if he thinks campaign finance reform will fix our broken government

Last edited Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:49 PM - Edit history (2)

that works for the 1%. Really? Campaign finance reform is going to clean up the cesspool in Washington?

All your candidacy will do is deliver the primary election to Clinton. However, based on your comments you don't seem to have a problem with that.

Without candidates with INTEGRITY you will NOT get corruption out of government OR have a government that works for the people. Your comments told me that you really have no problem with how business is done in Washington and no clue how to fix it. And you have NO idea what constitutes integrity.

Should I be surprised? No, after all Bush attended an ivy league school too.

And if he isn't a clueless idiot then he is a willing tool to keep the status quo in place and it makes me wonder what he's been promised. It's a heck of a system we have.







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LESSIG is a CLUELESS IDIOT if he thinks campaign finance reform will fix our broken government (Original Post) Skwmom Sep 2015 OP
Campaign finance reform is the *only* thing that will fix our government. reformist2 Sep 2015 #1
+1. N/t obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2015 #5
Really? So I guess the incentive for getting elected, delivering what is wanted and cashing in Skwmom Sep 2015 #6
That may fix the next one but it will not fix this one jwirr Sep 2015 #21
the new messiah favors campaign financing. as does the front runner. and current POTUS. nt msongs Sep 2015 #2
I think it's sad that some people have become so immune to our corrupt system that they no longer Skwmom Sep 2015 #10
Out of curiosity, what issue DO you think will fix our broken government. brooklynite Sep 2015 #3
There is NOT one singular issue. Skwmom Sep 2015 #13
First, his name is Lessig. longship Sep 2015 #4
Well, if he's not a clueless idiot, he's a tool to deliver the election to a candidate that Skwmom Sep 2015 #8
I think that he is a passionate person for his issue longship Sep 2015 #15
It will take more than CFR, but the government cannot be fixed without it n/t arcane1 Sep 2015 #7
Campaign finance reform promoted by a president and Enacted By A Congress Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #9
When you have a corporate controlled media increasing the number of manipulated voters to the polls Skwmom Sep 2015 #12
I have been told by different voters that ever Democrat and Republican running Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #16
Integrity - People know what it ISN'T. n/t Skwmom Sep 2015 #17
Integrity is subjective. Christian right wing voters say Cruz Agnosticsherbet Sep 2015 #20
of course he's not! ibegurpard Sep 2015 #11
Um... It's One Approach... Don't Know If It's Workable... But This One Might Be... WillyT Sep 2015 #14
Whoa... Why are you so angry? Agschmid Sep 2015 #18
what makes you think he'll impact the election? I think people are too pissed off to be moved by his magical thyme Sep 2015 #19

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
1. Campaign finance reform is the *only* thing that will fix our government.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:13 PM
Sep 2015

If you get money out of the election process, the truly venal and corrupt politicians will be drowned out by all the honest voices that for once will be heard.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
6. Really? So I guess the incentive for getting elected, delivering what is wanted and cashing in
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:29 PM
Sep 2015

after you leave office will be taken care of with campaign finance reform? Really.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
10. I think it's sad that some people have become so immune to our corrupt system that they no longer
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:49 PM
Sep 2015

believe that a man with integrity exists or that our system can be changed. Just imagine where we'd be if the patriots who fought in the American Revolution felt that way? We'd still be under British rule (though some could argue that it's almost like the American Revolution was never fought with the way things are today).

Bernie is not a messiah, but I think he is a GOOD man who will do everything he can to make this government work for the people again. And he will attract a lot of talent with the passion to see that occur.

If they convince you that nothing can change, nothing will, and they will have won.


Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
13. There is NOT one singular issue.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 12:08 AM
Sep 2015

But if you sit down and think about all the ways in which government influence is bought and how our democratic process (including the voting process) is broken, and then come up with ways to fix it, I think that we could fix this broken system. It really isn't brain surgery. While things are pretty dire, I still believe we can turn this mess around. Will it be easy? No. But imagine the alternative...

longship

(40,416 posts)
4. First, his name is Lessig.
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:21 PM
Sep 2015

Second, I believe he knows he has no chance. But Lessig is a very smart guy. And what he is saying certainly resonates with Democratic Party principles that Citizens United was a very bad decision.

So, not a clueless idiot.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
8. Well, if he's not a clueless idiot, he's a tool to deliver the election to a candidate that
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:38 PM
Sep 2015

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will work hard for her big money backers and not for the people.

And if he is, I wonder what Lessig is getting out of the deal...

longship

(40,416 posts)
15. I think that he is a passionate person for his issue
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 01:36 AM
Sep 2015

which is one I think most Democrats agree with, getting big money out of politics.

I cannot think why anybody could disagree with that.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
9. Campaign finance reform promoted by a president and Enacted By A Congress
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:41 PM
Sep 2015

Is an critical first step in fixing the government. The real cure is getting Americans to vote in every election.

We are a representative democracy.

We the people are supposed to be the leaders, not those we elect.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
12. When you have a corporate controlled media increasing the number of manipulated voters to the polls
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:54 PM
Sep 2015

won't do the trick. Why do you think that BOTH Democrats AND Republicans fought against further media consolidation?

Haven't you ever noticed how the MMM (Manipulate the Masses Media) will repeat a meme for a couple of weeks and then take a poll that confirms the meme they just pushed?



Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
16. I have been told by different voters that ever Democrat and Republican running
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 11:31 AM
Sep 2015

Have integrity or are nothing but scum.

Clearly, integrity is subjective.

How do you make integrity a requirement when people can not agree what it is?

As flawed as our system is, getting everyone out to vote rather than limiting the vote to people who agree on integrity is the solution.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
20. Integrity is subjective. Christian right wing voters say Cruz
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:41 PM
Sep 2015

Has integrity.

My neighbor thinks Trump has integrity and is a straight shooter who tells it like it is.

I've heard here that Sanders and O'Malley have integrity.

Now throw in several thousand candidates for Congress, Governor, and statehouses with every voter having a different opinion, it sets up a system designed to fail.

Getting people out to vote shows those in power we can hold them responsible.

And if we can dump partisan politics and political polarization we can make the government work like it is supposed to.





ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
11. of course he's not!
Mon Sep 14, 2015, 11:54 PM
Sep 2015

It's one of the most important things that needs to happen! He's just not the one to do it however.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
19. what makes you think he'll impact the election? I think people are too pissed off to be moved by his
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:37 PM
Sep 2015

gimmick "campaign."

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