CLINTON CAMPAIGN SLAMS BERNIE FOR SAVING POOR PEOPLES' LIVES. A SuperPac coordinating with the

[Luminous Animal]

Clinton campaign has criticized Bernie Sanders for making a deal with Venezuela to supply discounted fuel to assist the poor during the harsh Vermont winter months. Vermont was one of six states that negotiated for fuel with Venezuela because the U.S. Government was unwilling to supply relief.

A Clinton campaign SuperPac, David Brock's (ex-Republican operative) "Correct the Record" asserts it can legally coordinate with the candidate, and circulated a hit email criticizing Sanders for making a deal that would save lives in his state of Vermont.

Super PACs are typically prohibited by law from coordinating with candidates, but Correct the Record will not be a typical super PAC. The group will not run ads, but instead does all of its work online, which it says will allow it to coordinate with the Clinton campaign.

The so-called “Internet exemption” was not intended to be used this way (it was created before the existence of super PACs), the Washington Post notes, but experts say Correct the Record is unlikely to face reprisal.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-gets-another-super-pac

(H/T to DUer virtualobserver)

[Skwmom]

2. Clinton Super Pac: Let them eat cake

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or Let them freeze...

[roguevalley]

22. fuck them. that should resonate. Again, the compelling difference between the two

she would let people die before taking a risk to save them. She either disavows them or she will wear this as her own.

[virtualobserver]

3. Hillary is running scared- this is a sign of weakness

I guess her record and her proposals aren't enough to get votes.

She can't even attack his proposals....

The Bush administration was leaving the poor high and dry in 2006.

Bernie took action to help the poor, and Hillary attacks him for it.

[Luminous Animal]

5. Thanks for reminding me that Brock's Super Pac can "legally" coordinate with Hillary.

Nice big fat loophole they've got there.

(Yeah. Right, Hillary… you want to get money out of politics.)

[virtualobserver]

6. I just found that out tonight

I was unaware that it was even possible.

Of course, none of her Supers would really act without understanding exactly what she wanted......she could easily telegraph that through public statements...but this makes it clear as crystal- she is behind this.

[roguevalley]

23. ex republican operative. why am I not surprised.

[MuseRider]

55. Didn't take long to find that low bar

and crawl under it.

One would think this is bad for her. With people being so weary of Clinton crap and all the stuff that we will have to rehash and everything that will be held up because of it they will not be wanting to see this kind of thing coming from anything Clinton.

[Skwmom]

4. Oh that radical Bernie, he actual wants the poor to keep warm and not freeze. Can you imagine that?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

7. The flameout is going to be spectacular methinks.

[jfern]

8. That's some true scumbags there

[MisterP]

9. pseudo-populism, repression, speeding up to avoid any real questions, unstated promises that every

problem will be solved if you just vote for them, neoliberals letting all the country's money bleed out, politics reduced to a squabble over a money source
nope, can't think of anyone like THAT!

[Betty Karlson]

10. So the new poll numbers are not that great for camp Clinton, then? n/t

[frylock]

11. I can't imagine how bad her internal polling looks.

[rhett o rick]

44. Bingo!

[Oilwellian]

12. Wow, what a stunningly stupid attack

This will highlight a good thing Bernie did for the poor and elderly in his state. How can Hillary's campaign be so obtuse?

I will take this opportunity and thank them for their incredible blunder. Apparently they think helping the poor and the elderly is a bad thing. Imagine that.

[MisterP]

26. that's how they think: this goes beyond them siding with the guarimbas, but genuinely believing that

we'd all forget an everyday, at-home, pocketbook thing like cheaper oil in favor of some loathing of the assigned enemy du jour: everyone inside the Beltway hates Caracas, so any (real) American would flee headlong at the mere suggestion of association with those beef-chomping gauchos as though it was OBL himself

[Spitfire of ATJ]

13. Yeah, because Chavez is Satan and stuff.....

.....uh huh.......

Déjà vu...

[restorefreedom]

57. and i thought my cheney nightmares couldn't get any worse

lol though

[elehhhhna]

80. they're about to get even worse:

[restorefreedom]

82. my eyes!!!!! nt

[ram2008]

14. All those millions of dollars wasted...

All these petty attacks will do is make sure Hillary has plenty of time to spend with her Grandchild over the next few years.

[Divernan]

29. When her fundraising peaks, she can quit the race & keep all that money

for her NEXT campaign. She'll always be dangling that next campaign in front of her corporate backers, because when there's no possibility of her claiming the Oval Office and playing the quid-pro-quo game, all those corporate/foreign government "donations" (cough-bribes-cough) to the boutique, 5 star Clinton Family Foundation will come to a screeching halt. Thank Gawd! the Clintons have amassed enough millions since leaving the White House to keep them firmly in the One Percent. And One Percenters do not do hands on child raising - that's what Nannies are for!

[pnwmom]

15. The link doesn't say anything about a Venezuelan oil deal. Where did that info come from?n/t

[madfloridian]

18. Here's the Huff Post article link.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11

WASHINGTON -- A super PAC backing Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is going negative, circulating an email that yokes her chief rival Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to some of the more controversial remarks made by Jeremy Corbyn, the United Kingdom's new Labour Party leader, including his praise for the late Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan leader who provided discounted fuel to Vermont in a deal supported by Sanders.

Clinton's camp has long said it has no plans to attack Sanders. But the super PAC, called Correct the Record, departed from its defense of Clinton's record as a former secretary of state in an email Monday that compares Sanders with Corbyn. Correct the Record, led by Clinton ally David Brock, also has sent trackers after Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

The more serious stretch comes as the email highlights how Sanders helped negotiate a program with Venezuela's national oil company in 2006 that provided discounted heating oil assistance to low-income Vermonters. The senator said it was "not a partisan issue," in the state, which was the sixth to make the deal. His support for the program was apparently enough to merit a mention, since Corbyn has written that the late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez's "electoral democratic credentials are beyond reproach."

[pnwmom]

20. Thanks!

[d_r]

77. what does this mean?

Sorry if I'm an idiot.

Correct the Record, led by Clinton ally David Brock, also has sent trackers after Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

[progree]

19. I was wondering the same thing. Here's one

and the only one in a quick Google search

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11

Frankly I haven't read most of it, and probably won't for awhile, its late, and I'm having Internet connection issues or something.

[Geronimoe]

16. Feel the Bern

In 2006, Venezuela and Vermont struck a deal that would supply heating oil to low-income Vermont residents at a 40 percent discount, with an additional 108,000 gallons going to homeless shelters for free.

Back around 2002-2003, Chavez sent oil to Native Alaskan Villages that couldn't afford to heat homes and schools. The State of Alaska with billions in their kitty oil fund and Federal Government refused to help. Chavez said at the time that he supports all indigenous people.

[Unknown Beatle]

17. So Hillary is thinking and acting like a republican.

No surprise there.

She has the gift of gab, that is, depending on which direction the political wind is blowing at the time, she'll say what people want to hear.

Responding to the death of Muammar Ghadafi, Hillary Clinton says, "We came, we saw, he died" and then immediately after her statement, she laughs. I guess someone being killed is funny to her, but to the rest of us, not so much.

And she wants to be president of the US. Scary.

[imthevicar]

21. Wave those Colors Hillery!

Your true ones of course. Well at least you'll have lots of time to spend with you grandchildren over the next few years.
And to Mr. Sanders, Please continue to run a clean campaign, it suites you, and has served you well. A word of advice though, You may be a friend to Hillery But Hillery ain't your friend.

[HooptieWagon]

24. Clinton expects poor people to freeze to death.

Not unexpected. The Swiftboat attack coordinated by her campaign isn't unexpected. It's what scumbag pols do when their internals are bad. Anyone remember Rev Wright or the beginning of Birtherism?

[beam me up scottie]

25. They're getting worried.

I wonder when they'll recycle the 'Bernie protected pedophiles' meme?

[neverforget]

27. A new one will pop up and be added to the rotation.

Gotta keep'em fresh ya know?

[beam me up scottie]

28. Yep.

They're working on the next swift boat as we speak.

[neverforget]

74. I think we found it: spending.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251595479

that didn't take long.

[beam me up scottie]

75. EEEEK! Bernie's gonna tax us to death!

All to pay for our ponies and free college.



Too funny!

[Warren Stupidity]

30. So we should expect a non-stop series of red baiting attacks here.

It is good to know what the theme of the week is.

[djean111]

31. "Correct the Record" is nothing more than "Scrub Hillary's Record". That is what it was

created for. And I read something about Hillary's campaign being VERY interested in new rules proposed by the GOP to enable the super PACs to work directly with the candidates. Have to check that out later.

Correct the Record is about as on the up and up as the Koch's "Americans for prosperity (of the Kochs)".

To me, it is no more valid to link to than to link to Breitbart.

[reformist2]

32. Isn't this the way a Repug might attack a Liberal? This can only help Bernie with Dems.

If any political operative thinks that Hugo Chavez is some sort of universally hated historical figure, they are sadly mistaken.

[kenfrequed]

33. Are they trying to backfire?

This isn't going to convince anyone of anything other than Bernie being "against poor people freezing to death."

[restorefreedom]

36. a freakin men

they better hold on to something when the blowback comes.

[jeff47]

34. Team Clinton's internal polling must be abysmal. (nt)

[restorefreedom]

35. this is from the gop handbook

poor people don t matter, when are we going to get that through our heads?

oh wait, this is a dem candidate?

(scratching head)

[mmonk]

37. There are a few ghosts of McCarthy.

They reappear every election season.

[bunnies]

38. Come up to New England and spend a fucking winter with no goddamn heat.

I've done it. And whomever thought of this brilliant "attack" can go fuck themselves. Twice. Fucking republicans are the only ones who didnt want our states to have assistance.

[Agschmid]

39. Is someone going to post the actual letter/email?

I'd like to see it.

[Luminous Animal]

42. Here is the link to the article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11

WASHINGTON -- A super PAC backing Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is going negative, circulating an email that yokes her chief rival Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to some of the more controversial remarks made by Jeremy Corbyn, the United Kingdom's new Labour Party leader, including his praise for the late Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan leader who provided discounted fuel to Vermont in a deal supported by Sanders.

Clinton's camp has long said it has no plans to attack Sanders. But the super PAC, called Correct the Record, departed from its defense of Clinton's record as a former secretary of state in an email Monday that compares Sanders with Corbyn. Correct the Record, led by Clinton ally David Brock, also has sent trackers after Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

The more serious stretch comes as the email highlights how Sanders helped negotiate a program with Venezuela's national oil company in 2006 that provided discounted heating oil assistance to low-income Vermonters. The senator said it was "not a partisan issue," in the state, which was the sixth to make the deal. His support for the program was apparently enough to merit a mention, since Corbyn has written that the late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez's "electoral democratic credentials are beyond reproach."

[jberryhill]

61. "Is someone going to post the actual letter/email?"

That's a really longwinded way of saying "no".

[jberryhill]

62. No

The article contradicts itself twice - first saying that the email is "being circulated", then saying it was sent to one person in response to an article, and then saying "it remains to be seen whether the gist of the email from Correct the Record will be fed to anyone other than reporters".

So, the story is:

One Huffpo reporter got an email, the text of which that reporter is not revealing.

The author of the article then claims, with no basis, that the email is "being circulated" and then states that it is unknown whether its "gist" was sent to anyone else.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

40. Of all the things to try and bring Sanders down with --

they go with this??? The man does what he needs to to help his poorest constituents survive the fucking winter and we are supposed to think less of him for it???

Dear Clinton Camp:

Keep it up. It's EXACTLY this kind of shit that swung me to Obama in 2008.

Signed,

Now You're Pissing Me Off

[ancianita]

41. RIGHT?

[bunnies]

43. New York took the oil too.

My my. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/07/AR2005120702245.html

[Oilwellian]

46. You mean while Hillary was Senator of NY?

LOL...well isn't that RICH! Thank you for looking that up.

[bunnies]

49. Yep. Thats the time!

Nothing but the best and brightest working for that HRC!

[rhett o rick]

45. k & r. Thanks for posting. nm

[emsimon33]

47. Pretty desperate

If the worse you can say is that a politician actually worked for the good of his constituents.

[Darb]

48. Without the actual email, all I see is speculation and inference during primary politics at a time

when the media is desperate, and probably instructed, to create a horse race everywhere they might, by hook or by crook.

Attack me now if you must, but please include the email in question.

Thanks.

[Uncle Joe]

50. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Luminous Animal.

[jwirr]

51. If I am not mistaken the program that recieved and

distributed the heating fuel was led by Joseph Kennedy. And many states, reservations and urban poor were the recipients of the program. I have been one of those recipients through the Energy Assistance Program in my state.

Keep digging Hillary. The poor vote to.

Thank you Bernie I did not know about your participation in the charity.

[TDale313]

52. Typical nasty campaigning from the Clintons.

When they start feeling desperate, there's no attack too ugly. I have not forgiven the dog whistles of '08.

[Darb]

53. Got the email? Otherwise your title is for shit.

I'd like to see for myself how the Clinton campaign "slams Bernie for saving poor people's lives". I understand hyoperbole, believe me, so no big. But at least lets see the actual email so that we can make a judgement about this "slam".

Ok? Shouldn't be too much trouble right, since you obviously read it before you posted this hysterical claim, no?

Thanks.

[historylovr]

56. The link to the article is posted up thread.

[jberryhill]

60. What is the text of the email

Your reply is non-responsive.

The question is "where is the email".

Yes, the link to the article is posted up thread.

The email is not in the article.

The article further contradicts itself - first saying that the email is "being circulated", then saying it was sent to one person in response to an article, and then saying "it remains to be seen whether the gist of the email from Correct the Record will be fed to anyone other than reporters".

So, how about just admitting you have NO CLUE what the emails says or to whom it was sent?

[historylovr]

65. Whoa, wow.

I just pointed out the link had been posted. It looks as if, no, after looking more cloly there is no link to or text of the email there. Mea maxima culpa.

[jberryhill]

66. Isn't that interesting, though?

We have this OP saying the PAC "circulated a hit email", and no email in sight.

Kinda weird.

[historylovr]

71. Would be helpful if Huffington Post

would disclose the full text of it, as it claims to have received it. Even actual block quotes. It's being reported in other places too. Or, as is the case these days, copy-pasted.

[Go Vols]

72. I can't find text to the Sanders camp response either

Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs wrote in an email to The Huffington Post that Correct the Record was "distorting the record." The Sanders campaign has argued that attacks from Clinton supporters are inspired by anxiety over his leads in polls of Democratic voters in Iowa and New Hampshire.

"It is disappointing that Secretary Clinton's super PAC is spreading disinformation about Bernie," Briggs wrote. "This is exactly the kind of politics that Bernie is trying to change. To equate bringing home heating oil to low-income Vermonters with support for the Chavez government is dishonest."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11

[historylovr]

73. I'm sure both would make interesting reading though.

[jeff47]

78. Would Brock going on TV and confirming the story be good enough for you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251596835

Oh wait....you'd insist it wasn't true even if you had the email itself.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

54. Red Scares are soooooo1950's.

[Vinca]

58. I remember that well since I live right next door to Vermont and many, many people

need assistance with heating oil in the winter months. It's always been just one more thing that makes me like Bernie so much. I'm astonished it would be a point of criticism. As I recall, one of the Kennedys was also involved in deals with Venezuela to provide affordable heating oil to people. Was it Joe Kennedy? I forget, but apparently the Kennedys are now persona non grata amongst the Hillary people, too.

[reformist2]

63. Yep. Kennedy even ran ads about his program here in Mass, thanking "our friends in Venezuela!"

Take that HRC & SuperPacs!

[restorefreedom]

59. i think elaine benes said it best

“You know, sometimes when I think you’re the shallowest man I’ve ever met, you manage to drain a little more out of the pool.”

[Enthusiast]

68. There seems to be a Seinfeld quote for every situation.

[restorefreedom]

69. i know, i always tell people that! nt

[Catherina]

64. Another brilliant miscalculation that will solidify the huge millennial vote for Bernie

as well as other Democrats who are sick of this kind of shit. This ranks right up there with their misteps 8 years ago.

And they say with age comes wisdom.

"because the U.S. Government was unwilling to supply relief" YO Mr Brock! That's exactly what Bernie's here to fix. Negotiations for the good of the American people instead of wars to steal other people's resources. Please keep it up. You're so behind the times it's comical.

I love it.
Hillary's campaign is writing its own attack ads.

[jberryhill]

67. "circulated a hit email" - bullshit

Circulated to whom?

This article uses a good deal of bullshit to give an impression that is not supported by its own facts.

It specifically refers to one email sent to one person in response to an article. It does not identify the recipient of the email.

It does not identify anyone else who got this "circulated" email, nor does it contain the actual text of the email.

Jiminy Christmas, it must have been one of the emails on Clinton's server.

[Babel_17]

70. And this looked like a smart move

This was driven exclusively by old school thinking. Nothing against being "old school" but apparently those behind this are operating in an echo chamber devoid of people who can/will point out the downside to this scheme. This is the world where tawdry endeavors like this get held up for scrutiny, and mockery.

I could go on a rant but I think the lack of judgement going on here is going to speak for itself, soon enough.

[cantbeserious]

76. How Low Will HRC Go

eom

[LittleBlue]

79. This reeks of desperation

This story is old, dead and buried years ago. Voters aren't going to be swayed by it. Most Americans couldn't find Venezuela on a map.

[portlander23]

81. dark money