2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOK, so what is -really- important to Cornel West?
I think this speech reveals the man....It's a great speech, and he is a great man.
Now, when I got the news that my dear brother Barack Obama, President Obama, was going to put his precious hand on Martin Luther King, Jr.s Bible, I got upset. And I got upset because you dont play with Martin Luther King, Jr. and you dont play with his people. And by his people, what I mean is people of good conscience, fundamentally committed to peace, and truth and justice. And especially the black tradition that produced it.
All the blood, sweat and tears that went into producing a Martin Luther King, Jr. generated a brother of such high decency and dignity that you dont use his prophetic fire as just a moment in a presidential pageantry, without understanding the challenge that he presents to all of those in power no matter what color they are. No matter what color they are!
So, the righteous indignation of a Martin Luther King, Jr. becomes a moment in political calculation and that makes my blood boil. Why? Because Martin Luther King, Jr., he died knowing the three crimes against humanity he was wrestling with. Jim Crow traumatizing, terrorizing, stigmatizing black people, lynching, insultful not just segregation the way the press wants to talk about.
Second, carpet bombing in Vietnam, killing innocent people especially innocent children. Those are war crimes Martin Luther King, Jr. was willing to die for. And thirdly, was poverty of all colors. He said its a crime against humanity for the richest nation in the history of the world to have so many of its precious children of all colors living in poverty, and especially on the chocolate side of the nation, in Indian reservations, in brown barrios, in yellow slices, and black ghettos, then. We call them hoods now, but ghettos then.
So I said to myself, ok nothing wrong with putting your hand on the Bible. Even though the bible talks about justice and Jesus is talking bout the least of these. But when you put in Martins bible? I said, this is personal for me. This is the tradition I came out of. This is the tradition that is connected to my grandmothers prayers, and my grandfathers sermons, and my mothers tears, and my fathers smile, and its over against all of those in power who refuse to follow decent policies.
So I say to myself, Brother Martin Luther King, Jr., what would you say about the new Jim Crow? What would you say about the prison industrial complex? What would you say about the invisibility of so many of our prisoners? So many of our incarcerated, especially when 62% of them are there for soft drugs, but not one executive of a Wall Street bank gone to jail? Not one! Martin doesnt like that. Not one wiretapper. Not one torturer under the Bush administration, at all.
Then, what you say about the drones bring dropped on our precious brothers and sisters in Pakistan and Somalia and Yemen? Those are war crimes, just like war crimes in Vietnam. Martin Luther King, Jr., what would you say? My voice hollers out, and dont tame it with your hand on his bible. Allow his prophetic voice to be heard. Martin, what would you say about the poverty in America now, beginning with the children, then the elderly, then our working folk, and all colors not just here, around the world. Dont hide and conceal his challenge. Dont tame his prophetic fire.
So, that as much as Im glad that Barack Obama won I think that brother Mitt Romney would have been a catastrophe, and I understand my brother Newt told the truth about fat vampire capitalism but thats true for the system as a whole not just Mitt Romney in that regard but when Barack Obama attempts to use that rich tradition of Frederick Douglas and Ida B. Wells-Barnett? Use the tradition of A. Phillip Randolph? Use the tradition of Rabbi Joshua Heschel? Use the tradition of Tom Hayden and so many others struggling to produce that voice that pushed Martin in the direction that it did? I get upset.
People say, Oh brother West, theres Smiley and West, hating Obama. No, no. We just loving the tradition that produced Martin Luther King, Jr. and were not going to allow it to be in any way sanitized, deodorized and sterilized, we want the subversive power to be heard. Thats what made me think, when you said he was gonna put in his hand on that bible. And Im praying or him. Im praying for him. As is Newt both of us Christians, you Catholic, Im Holy Ghost funkygut gutbucket Baptist but were praying for him. Putting pressure on.
This is not hate on President Obama, its caring about the things that truly matter.
If he supported ALL that Obama does simply because Obama is also black, that would be racist. And hypocritical.
So West shows not only caring about what truly matters, but he's also incredibly brave as he speaks truth.
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upaloopa
(11,417 posts)So he latches on to somebody's campaign and gets noticed by a bunch of people who didn't know who he was a few month's ago.
Now he is a hero to them.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Have a great day!
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Thanks for adding such depth.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Oh wow, y'all sure do crack me up.
One of the foremost black intellectuals in America. A man with 30 honorary degrees who has taught at Harvard, Princeton, Union Theological, and even the University of Paris.
His highly influential Race Matters was published in 1994 and his follow up Democracy Matter in 2004, four years before Obama was even running for the White House. West was already a prominent figure in media a decade before Obama even appeared on the scene.
He was a part of other campaigns prior to Obama as well from Bradley to Sharpton.
Didn't know who he was?! Yeah, my fucking ass!
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)He used to be on C-SPAN all the time back then.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Between State of Black America, all the work he did for then Senator Obama, all the work he's done on many issues he cares about that made many of us love him and all the vitriolic attacks on him by posters who have mocked and ridiculed issues important to less Centrist posters here, how on earth could any DUer not know who Brother West is?
The pettiness and craziness of those constant attacks was brilliant advertising for Brother West that only made it very clear which side he's on. My side. The people's side.
azmom
(5,208 posts)I'm fired up and ready to go.
DU'rs: The love train has left the station and everyone needs to make a decision. As Zinn says, you can't be neutral on a moving train.
I'm happy to say, I have had my ticket for a while now. I've just been waiting for the train.
Solidarity Brothers and Sisters. I love all of you, and let's get to work. Together we can make this country and this world a more just and peaceful place.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I think we were waiting together on the same platform sister
Together we can and together we will!
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Thanks for sharing that. Wow.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)like Brother West with whom they protest a lot.
Running to that Love Train with you!
grasswire
(50,130 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)And No ticket needed he said. Just jump on board.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)Good post, thanks!
Catherina
(35,568 posts)who has consistently been in tune with people striving for justice
Thanks Haikugal
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)on DU before Barack Obama ran for the senate.
deutsey
(20,166 posts)I had known about him since Race Matters came out and knew he was a vocal opponent of invading Iraq.
When I saw him marching along with the people in the streets, he had no entourage with him and, in fact, he seemed to be on his own like I was.
When I approached him and said his name to get his attention, I remember how surprised he looked that I knew who he was. I shook his hand and told him I admired his work. He thanked me and I let him go on his way.
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Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Oh dear.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)And sit on it. Empty rhetoric for empty heads doesn't belong here. Keep it for your own echo filled dome.
Autumn
(45,106 posts)some of us pay attention.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Yep, we're nothing but a bunch of ill informed bumpkins.
840high
(17,196 posts)was for many, many years.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)In a way, yes. Patronization.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)King's children described their father's King James version as his "travelling Bible" that he carried with him on the road and used for preparing sermons and speeches. His daughter Bernice King said her father marked the pages with several dates from May 1954, the same month he delivered his first sermon at Dexter Avenue Baptist church in Montgomery, Alabama.
"We know our father would be deeply moved to see President Obama take the oath of office using his Bible," King's children said in a statement provided by the inaugural committee. "His travelling Bible inspired him as he fought for freedom, justice and equality, and we hope it can be a source of strength for the president as he begins his second term."
Obama also plans to honour King on his inaugural weekend, beginning by asking Americans to volunteer in their communities on 19 January to honour the civil right leader's legacy of service. The King family plans to participate. There will be a float honouring King in the parade to the White House after the swearing-in ceremony.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/10/obama-inauguration-lincoln-martinlutherking-bibles
Martin Luther King III (her brother - regardless of disputes ongoing in regard to Dr. King's estate) seemed okay with it too -
In a statement, Martin Luther King III said he is proud that his father's Bible will be a part of Obama's inaugural, "and I hope that our great nation uses the moment to reflect on the enormous responsibility we have to serve our neighbors and communities."
King added: "Thousands of Americans joined Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., on the National Mall in the fight for equality and justice 50 years ago, and I am excited that my father's legacy will be honored as thousands more join President Obama to begin his second term."
The second term officially starts on Sunday, Jan. 20, when Obama holds a private swearing-in ceremony at the http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2013/01/10/obama-inaugural-bible-kennedy-king/1821363/White House. For that event, he will use a Bible belonging to the family of first lady Michelle Obama.
Who knew MLK's children allowing and PROVIDING that bible to President Obama (one of two) would be the cause of so much concern for Dr. West.
I don't know - I think I'm going to have to side with his children on this one. He was America's man - but he was their daddy first.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)I appreciate your position.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)So 'Bernice approves' is not much of a metric.
Some background on Bernice and her brand of philosophy. I am not of the opinion many here hold that hate against LGBT is 'allowed' or somehow 'understandable' in ways other bigotry is not. I think a bigot is a bigot.
http://thegrio.com/2013/08/12/on-bernice-kings-recent-anti-lgbt-remarks/
So yeah, Bernice. I'm more of a Coretta person myself.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I believe she was right. As was her brother.
You and me - we can agree to disagree.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I said - you tell no lies.
Here's where you could possibly have dismissed my life experience?
Black women who have/had present fathers (mine died 3 years ago) according to America are 'rare'. So being in this (supposedly) 'rare' experience - She owns her father.
She owns her father along with her siblings. There is no evidence he was not a loving and kind father. There is no evidence he was not 'present'. There is no evidence he ever neglected his children. That creates a loving relationship with one's children.
Her memory of him over rules our (yours and mine) disgust for her homophobic views.
Her father was a Civil Rights hero. But he was still her daddy.
We shouldn't 'lynch' the relationship between black father and black daughter - in this day and age of stereotypes about black men . . . Which drives policies that create a hostile reproductive environment for black women. <-- This is true - not backing down on it. Posted something in the Af Am group this morning.
He has his own daughter - let her own his legacy. Seriously - who knows where she will end up? But I will respect Zeytun's admiration and love for her father regardless of 'what' she turns out to be.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)But you are right.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)They come from the RIGHT place.
And I know you are gay black man.
And I don't want either of you to think I don't see and acknowledge how AWFUL she is. WHAT she is.
But in terms of her father - she's right. She's absolutely right.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)was also a LGBT supporter...I saw that Bernice citation and had to walk away from the laptop for a minute, with Miss Bernice's Eddie Long lovin' ass.
She has been trying to improve, that Miss Bernice...but still...
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)all of these problems were there prior to the election and reelection of Obama and, really, prior to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Hell, Frederick Douglass was complaining about the doctrine of "manifest destiny" in the 19th century ("manifest destiny" = American imperialism).
Obama was not elected by a majority of the American people to put a stop to all of that, much as I would have liked him too. And Obama couldn't have done that if he tried.
American structures like Jim Crow and American imperialism have been in the making for over 400 years.
Barack Obama could not possibly put a stop to all of that in 4 years.
Dr. West IS correct to push in that way, though.
azmom
(5,208 posts)I will be voting for Bernie because I believe him to be a true egalitarian. Will he a better president than Obama? I don't know. But, since Obama can't run again, I am choosing Bernie to carry on.
Bernie is to the left of Obama. In that sense, he may get more push back from the republicans. The great thing is that Bernie will be allowed to push back in way that Obama wasn't. Those fuckers obstructed every damn thing Obama tried to do. It will be a joy to hear Bernie call them out on their shit. He gives it to them straight. To me, it will be sweet payback.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)My guess is Hillary. He makes his living attacking people. I wonder if he would say the same things if it were he who had to solve the problems.
Seems to me there are a lot of people lately who can tell you how things should be but have never had to be accountable for doing anything about them.
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)Also see~
"One of the most authentic, brilliant, prophetic and feeling voices in America today"
Is this attacking people or what the people are doing?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)shaking my head
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Dr. West is far to the left of Hillary Clinton on the political spectrum, so that is to be expected; heck, he's to the left of Sanders (West hesitated to endorse Sanders over the I/P issue)
As long as they are principles attacks on policy, I actually don't mind them; that's, in part, the function of a Socratic gadfly in a democracy.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)And thanks for your consistency. Thanks for calling out Brother Bernie where he's wrong and making it very clear that your endorsement and work for him are in no way an endorsement of the neoliberalism that's corrupted the party and harmed poor people everywhere, especially in our communities.
Keep speaking the truth!
ancianita
(36,067 posts)Not in this video, but in his work as president, especially with his DOJ appointment of Holder, BIG war on drugs prosecutor who wanted harsh mandatory minimums in DC for simple marijuana possession.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I like your posts, whoever you are, you're rocking.
There isn't a word out of Brother West's mouth that I've disagreed with. Ever. Not as far as I know but then again, I was one of Jeremiah Wright's fiercest defenders, and Obama's too when the dirty 2007 racist games to exploit, divide and conquer really took off.
From the NYT, 2007
Obama came to the Apollo Theater in Harlem Thursday night down the block from Bill Clintons office to try to wrest some support back from the first black president and his wife. Some young Obama fans wore yellow tees reading, Who decided Hillary is best for the black community?
Charlie Rangel; John Lewis; Quincy Jones; Essence Communications chairman, Edward Lewis; and other celebrated Hillary supporters were not there.
But Obama did get to sup at Sylvias soul-food restaurant the place where Bill OReilly was shocked to find such genteel black folk with the still-up-for-grabs Al Sharpton. The only endorsement Sharpton offered afterward was: A man that likes chicken and corn bread cant be that bad.
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And he got a benediction from Cornel West, the Princeton professor who took Obama to task earlier this year for not attending a national gathering of black scholars and civil rights leaders.
West tried to help Obama in his uneasy quest to claim his place in the black community, calling him my brother, an eloquent brother, a good brother and a decent brother. He urged the audience to put Obama in a historical continuum with the spirituals on the plantation and Apollo stars like James Brown and Billie Holiday. Black, he said, has variations. We dont expect Alicia Keys to be Aretha, he said.
Obama threw in some lines meant to show his black fire, even if its a cool fire.
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He said hes running because of what Martin Luther King Jr. called the fierce urgency of now. Now can the prodigy muster that fierce urgency?
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/opinion/02dowd.html?_r=0
The answer years later is obviously NO. Even before the inauguration, we'd gone from the fierce urgency of now to the fierce urgency of betraying people with his FISA vote, Rahm Emmanuel, Eric Holder, Timothy Geithner etc.
GitRDun
(1,846 posts)That's all fair game as far as I'm concerned.
This is what, for me makes West petty and not worthy of my respect, something you didn't highlight:
His indignation is that Barack has no place in black tradition, Martin's tradition, therefore should not be placing his hand on Martin's Bible. The sentiment is that Barack Obama is an outsider.
No matter how much we can disagree about whether or not Obama's governing style gets enough done for the black community, there is no way I can accept he is not a part of the black community, black tradition.
Cornel West doesn't get to decide that...history does. The arrogance he has in thinking that is not worthy of anyone's respect.
azmom
(5,208 posts)At first, he said he wasn't going to support Bernie but then he changed his mind.
There is no perfect candidate. All Bernie can do is make his positions clear.
As Bernie said at Liberty. We don't agree on everything, but we can find common ground. What I found interesting about that, is that their main issue of concern by far seemed to be abortion.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Others have labeled Dr. King as a prophet. West labeled himself as one. West tries very hard to put himself at the forefront of current black intellectualism and as the guardian of what it means to be black. If you don't meet his standard you're in blackface as he described Obama. I feel just as disgusted when people call Clarence Thomas an Uncle Tom.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)One of the many things that I find admirable about black culture is the fluidity of language and it's use.
We have a disagreement about who West is and what he's about.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)Someone responded to my earlier post but I can't see it...what's going on? Who do I contact? WTF my avatar image has disappeared.
Welcome to my morning...
On edit:
They're tweaking DU and I hope everything will be returned because there are some most excellent posts missing here.
Autumn
(45,106 posts)the chief failure of the Obama administration
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_obama_deception_why_cornel_west_went_ballistic_20110516
RiverLover
(7,830 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)Which do AAs want more?
To push back against white privilege (including inequality)?
Or to protect Obama from criticism?
(Because if the latter is the first choice, then the former is negated.)
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Who happens to be right-on about a lot of important stuff.
elfin
(6,262 posts)He lost his "intellectual" top black dog status with the arrival of thoughtful, yet pragmatic Obama.
This drove him off the rails to often incoherent rhetoric, postulating that Obama was a sell out because he had to govern ALL the people and not just African Americans. He became enraged to the point of being unhinged that Obama was not frothing at the mouth with hatred toward whites.
I never understood how or why he got another gig at another prestigious university after his flameout at Harvard - itr was it Yale. His personality and not scholarship informs his diatribes. It is sad. I used to regard him as a deep thinker, now see him as flailing to stay in the spotlight in any way he can.