David Brock's group IS coordinating with the Hillary campaign. Bernie fights back.

[madfloridian]

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David Brock founded Media Matters. He is running the group Correct the Record which tried to smear Bernie Sanders for helping the needy in Vermont with heating bills ( I believe at that time our own country was cutting back on their help).

Hillary Clinton plans to coordinate directly with super PAC

Hillary Clinton's campaign intends to coordinate directly with a newly formed super PAC able to receive unlimited donations, according to a Washington Post report.

The Democratic presidential candidate's campaign will work in conjunction with Correct the Record, an independent rapid-response team, previously a part of super PAC American Bridge, which conducts opposition research on Republican presidential candidates and possible GOP presidential candidates. The New York Times first reported Tuesday that Correct the Record would split from its parent organization to support the Clinton campaign.

Though Federal Election Commission (FEC) rules prohibit direct coordination between super PACs and declared candidates, Correct the Record believes it will be able to coordinate with Clinton without violating campaign finance regulations.

David's group played some (IMO) dirty tricks.

A Pro-Clinton Super PAC Is Going Negative On Bernie Sanders

WASHINGTON -- A super PAC backing Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is going negative, circulating an email that yokes her chief rival Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) to some of the more controversial remarks made by Jeremy Corbyn, the United Kingdom's new Labour Party leader, including his praise for the late Hugo Chavez, the Venezuelan leader who provided discounted fuel to Vermont in a deal supported by Sanders.

Clinton's camp has long said it has no plans to attack Sanders. But the super PAC, called Correct the Record, departed from its defense of Clinton's record as a former secretary of state in an email Monday that compares Sanders with Corbyn. Correct the Record, led by Clinton ally David Brock, also has sent trackers after Sanders and former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

The Democratic candidates have refrained from criticizing each other directly. Sanders has obliquely knocked Clinton for not stating her position on the Keystone XL pipeline, and hasn't made an issue of her use of a private email server and account while at the State Department. Clinton, in turn, almost never mentions Sanders' name and has focused on her Republican rivals.

Monday's Correct the Record email strays from that pattern. The email, sent to a Huffington Post reporter in response to an article about Corbyn and Sanders without any agreement that it would be off the record, was meant to flag Corbyn's "most extreme comments." Among those was the suggestion that the assassination of Osama bin Laden was "a tragedy," since there was no attempt to arrest the former al Qaeda leader and put him on trial. The email also cites Corbyn's comment that he'd invite his "friends" from Hezbollah to come to the U.K. to discuss peace in the Middle East and an editorial in which he said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's "attempt to encircle Russia is one of the big threats of our time."

And Bernie Sanders speaks out:

Sanders goes on the attack against Clinton

Bernie Sanders spent his summer rejecting attempts by journalists to goad him into a fight with Hillary Clinton, saying he liked and respected his Democrat rival and wanted the campaign to be about ideas and not personalities.

But the Vermont socialist appears to be fed up with niceties after a pro-Clinton super-PAC reportedly shoveled dirt on Sanders to a reporter.

In an email to campaign supporters on Tuesday, Sanders linked Clinton to three things her campaign has been trying to disassociate itself from: Wealthy donors, dirty tactics, and yes, even the biggest bogeymen in left-wing American politics - the billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch.

Sanders wrote in the email: "Yesterday, one of Hillary Clinton’s most prominent Super PACs attacked our campaign pretty viciously.

"They suggested I’d be friendly with Middle East terrorist organizations, and even tried to link me to a dead communist dictator."

Bernie has a Superpack, not a Super Pac.

Got this in the mail, didn't scan very clearly. But the play on words is obvious.



And the back side.



Welcome to Primary Season 2015. My 4th time around for DU primary seasons.

[HassleCat]

1. Guilt by association

Hitler liked Wagner. I like Wagner. QED: I am like Hitler.

[jeff47]

79. Pick 1:

1) Correct the Record is coordinating with the Clinton campaign, as both groups said they would.

2) Correct the Record and the Clinton campaign were lying when they said they would coordinate.

Which would you prefer?

[AlbertCat]

90. Guilt by association

Who remembers "a little bit slutty" David Brock from before Media Matters?


Don't forget "Troopergate!" Maybe he feels guilty and this is cathartic.


Also remember he did much to expose the RW dirty tricks of the 90's.


He's SO COMPLEX!!!!!


Seriously, maybe he just couldn't help it. He knows how smears work. It been a while since his defection from the Conservatives.... he's slipping....

I dunno.
Not gonna work too well this time at any rate.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

150. Let the Clintonian gymnastics go Olympic!

David Brock started making big bucks as a RW hatchet man and his techniques are the same as the old days.

[sabrina 1]

164. Would you consider coordinating with Brock's organization to be something

the Hillary campaign ought to do? Considering the history of Brock and the Clintons and how this sneaky, liar helped to nearly bring down Clinton's presidency, then tried to suck up to the Left AFTER even his own vile buddies on the Right tossed him aside?

Did anyone EVER Trust this jerk? The Clintons didn't, refusing to acknowledge his 'apology' after the harm had been done, and don't forget, it was harm of historical proportions that will be studied by future generations long after both he and the Clintons are long gone.

You can't repair that kind of damage, you can't trust someone who played such a huge role in causing it. Most of US never did.

[AgingAmerican]

173. He works for her

When he throws stink bombs, she pre approves it.

[Fawke Em]

2. What's that smell?

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Oh... desperation.

Does she not learn anything? She did this against Obama in 2008 and it backfired.

[Divernan]

62. Not just a smell - that's a reeking nauseous stench of panic & desperation.

[roguevalley]

69. don't worry. I am sure there's some nice lavendar cleaner in her

hillary boxes to take care of it.

[azmom]

78. LOL

[Divernan]

80. How insulting to women those stereotyped, misogynistic boxes are.

Something out of the 1950's. What does she send out to her male supporters? Boxes of multi-colored condoms, porn magazines and inflatable dolls?

[840high]

127. lol

[Lancero]

163. Both boxes have a smiliar item in it...

Both boxes come with lotion, though the intended us varies between box.

[Rockyj]

140. So right! People turned on her big time!

She will regret it as I am not GOING to BACK DOWN!

[Aerows]

149. Insanity

Doing the same thing and expecting different results. Hillary 2016.

[djean111]

3. Hilarious how HRC supporters are vociferously and kinda pompously denying this.

In just a few moments, though, the attitude will be so what? Politics IS lies and sleazy innuendo. That didn't go so well for Hillary last time, though. And The GOP will do this, too! Yet any honest criticism of Hillary is labeled bashing and doing the GOP's work for them.

Complete and utter lack of self-awareness, or complete and utter lack of comprehension that we can look this shit up now, and rebut it.

[madfloridian]

4. This kind of attack geared toward heating bills for needy folks is IMO over the line.

Attacks and smears are expected, but the attempting to include Corbyn (newly elected) and Chavez really bothered me.

[HooptieWagon]

5. It's the smell of desperation.

When they attack discounted heating oil being delivered to freezing poor people. But entirely expected from a corporatist candidate.

[appalachiablue]

18. K & R. It wasn't just Vermont's poor who received the needed heating oil. New York residents

also used it according to a NY caller to Thom H. today.

Thanks for a great OP on this sleazy effort and Bernie's fightback MadFlo!

Go Bernie Go!

[seaglass]

39. Joe Kennedy's Citizen's Energy got oil from Venezuela for years for MA residents who needed fuel

assistance. Not sure why this is a bad thing.

[appalachiablue]

43. I'm sure. A desperate, low sleaze effort that bombed. Good for Bernie's truth & Fightback!

[seaglass]

54. Hmm, well I'm not a Bernie supporter, I just didn't think this was a very effective attack for a Dem

primary - it seems like more of a GE-type attack. I don't know which Democrats would oppose cheap oil for poor people.

[appalachiablue]

121. It was clearly done to try to associate Bernie with newly elected, soshalist! UK Labour

leader Jeremy Corbyn and deceased communist dictator Hugo Chavez of Venezuela whose Citco Co. supplied oil, as Bernie stated.
A low, petty and unfounded attack. Welcome to Primary season.

Assisting poor Americans in need of winter heating oil certainly isn't undemocratic. Residents of Maine, VT, NY, WI, Alaska and others benefited from the assistance, as mentioned in # 39, 71 and history in the link in #118.

[madfloridian]

124. Yes, to all you said.

[Ed Suspicious]

153. You know now.

[roguevalley]

71. Alaska natives did too. Consider your winter last year every year including

darkness for weeks on end. A mistake is death out there. Fuck this tactic and she should be ashamed. Tell me, hillary supporters, how this is a good idea for anyone including your gal.

[madfloridian]

118. Yes, sleazy. I just looked up more about it. Those who got warm did not care about politics.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251596323

[appalachiablue]

125. Righto and thanks for the post. Nice to see you and Bernie Bear.

[SusanaMontana41]

101. 100 percent correct.

This will backfire.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

6. Beyond "over the line" and --

into just BIZARRE. Great, you get to "link" him to a "Commie" (so scary!!) but what type of an asshole would you have to be to get upset about Chavez when poor Americans were helped in the process??? It just doesn't make SENSE. I think these are all trial balloons to see what sticks/resonates so they can then take the "winners" and create media ads against Sanders.

[jwirr]

161. And it is even worse when Hillary is coordinating with

them. It indicates that that is one of Hillary's policies on the issue of poverty.

This is her 47% statement. To blame Bernie for helping with the fuel program that was led by Joseph Kennedy and distributed fuel to reservations, the urban poor and to many poor in most states is not a Democratic value.

[morningfog]

8. Yep. In a matter of seconds it goes:

"How dare you!!!@! St. Hillary would NEVER coordinate with a PAC@!!111 THat would be ILLEGAL!! Show mE the PROOOOOFF!!!"

to

"Hey, it's politics. Bernie better be ready for this if he is going to win against the republicans."

[Darb]

13. Us good Democrats would like to see the actual email from Brock.

You have read it? If so, let us read it. Then, us good Democrats will judge what was sent out and decide how to react to it.

[Fawke Em]

15. Ask the HuffPo for it.

It was their reporter who received it.

[Darb]

17. Seems a lot of folks here have read it too.

Or they are talking shit. I read the article at HuffPo, it has short quotes and makes a good deal of hay out of not much beef. I would like to read it before I make any brash judgement about its contents.

I wish some others around here would give the same respect. Especially the hair on fire folks.

[arcane1]

22. This is pretty desperate.

I guess the reporter made it up, and the Sanders campaign responded to a hoax?

[Darb]

27. So you haven't read the email. Figures.

You have no cred, you should pipe down.

[arcane1]

28. I have no cred?

Clinton Crew is getting terrified

[Darb]

41. Weak sauce. I am in the Democratic Crew, FYI,

you are a partisan. Get over yourself.

[arcane1]

45. I am a Progressive!

[Darb]

49. Me too, cool.

Now calm down and post that email. Some of us progressives are pragmatic. If Bernie is the man, I will vote for him. If it's Hillary, I will vote for her. Cast your stones at the other side.

[arcane1]

52. You'll get over the hurt feelings eventually

[Darb]

55. Wow, you have really weak arguments. Post the email.

Just post this terrible email and I will comment on it. I promise to condemn it if it contains the ridiculous bullshit that you are claiming that it contains. Post it. You must have read it right?

[arcane1]

57. Lol you're cute

Maybe some meditation, or think happy thoughts. See what happens.

[virtualobserver]

58. the technical term for what they did was "cowardly attack"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11?p5fp3nmi

slipping slime to reporters

[frylock]

93. Whatever cred you thought you may have had is going down the shitter..

with every post that you use to deny this email went out.

[Aerows]

143. I'm sorry, but I had to say

and


You hit the nail on the head, my friend and it is only sensible woodchucks that would not recognize this bs from the Hillary camp for what it is.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

151. Why does Brock refuse to disclose it or even defend it on camera? n/t

[pnwmom]

103. Are we supposed to trust anonymous sources? Didn't we learn anything from the NYTimes fiasco? n/t

[arcane1]

108. What's anonymous here? The reporters are named, and the Super-PAC is identified n/t

[pnwmom]

109. Who were the reporters' sources? Were they named?

[arcane1]

110. The source was the Super-PAC

But you already knew that

[pnwmom]

111. No, not for the first link. For the other story:

The email, sent to a Huffington Post reporter in response to an article about Corbyn and Sanders without any agreement that it would be off the record, was meant to flag Corbyn's "most extreme comments."

[arcane1]

114. The sentence you chose to omit is the answer you're looking for:

"Monday's Correct the Record email strays from that pattern. "

[roguevalley]

72. good democrats. Wow.

[arcane1]

84. Transparent, isn't it? n/t

[roguevalley]

85. awfully true. by the way, I have always liked the cleverness of your screen name. :D

[arcane1]

87. Thanks! I never thought of it as clever, but I'll take it.

[frylock]

94. Good Germans.

[jeff47]

88. So, HuffPo is lying?

'Cause that's what you're saying when you demand the email.

Also, you're failing to note Brock hasn't said the email doesn't exist, nor has he published it to demonstrate HuffPo is lying.

[frylock]

138. Your boy, Brock, on video..

and getting laughed out of the studio.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251596835

[snooper2]

162. what is a "good democrat"

And why did you pick Darb instead of Dab LOL

[passiveporcupine]

20. "Hey, it's politics. Bernie better be ready for this if he is going to win against the republicans."

They will probably word it as:

"Bernie better put on his big boy pants."

But, yeah, I expect to see this trend soon.

[Fred Sanders]

50. Those silly "Clinton supporters" are recklessly demanding something called "evidence" of this email

having anything to do with her, not to mention folks have yet to show one nanosecond of either candidate directly attacking each other and there is much tape of the opposite.

ZERO Evidence....how dare anyone insist there be some....RW media thrives on this shit.

p.s. David Brock is a progressive hero who has done more to debunk RW media than anyone on the planet.

[roguevalley]

73. its there. go read it. Dave was a repub hit man. Google it.

[Fred Sanders]

96. And what is Brock in more modern times? Do you even know? And where is this email???

P.s. Brock is, in modern times, the number 1 enemy of Fox!

[virtualobserver]

82. and now he is slinging slime for Hillary

the Huffington Post reported it and Bernie responded

If it wasn't true, Brock's group would have denied it.

Brock's group is coordinating directly with Hillary.....the idea that they would pursue this on their own without Team Hillary approval is incredibly far-fetched.....they exercise total control.

[Fred Sanders]

104. Did you read the email? Please post. Lot of folk have been waiting all day....see post 86.

[virtualobserver]

113. they didn't post it......the Huffington post reported that they received it

and they reported what was in the email.

If your assertion is that the reporters for the Huffington post made this up......please

this is being reported worldwide

[Aerows]

146. I think this is Camp Weathervane's statement at this point

[jeff47]

83. ZERO Evidence...besides the email quoted by HuffPo.

You have an odd definition of zero.

[Aerows]

147. See #146

I mean, that's perfectly plausible, right?

[madfloridian]

129. Yes, I agree about Brock. He's done a great job debunking media spin.

But this is the group he is leading that sent this in an email.

[Eleanors38]

134. Get to hear Brock's anti-2A agitprop in the Gungeon. It stinks....

but he's got to show something for the $400,000 cash he got from the Joyce Foundation. Then hired armed bodyguards to hang with him whi!e he transported the money in Washington, D.C. Yeah, we know about Brock and his corporate centrism, and we know he'll pump more anti 2A gas at Bernie. I wonder if Joyce is paying for the Glock Men, and I wonder where they got their guns..... in D.C.

[Aerows]

142. The other stunts didn't work

Got to try a new one.

[Uncle Joe]

7. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.

[madfloridian]

141. And thank you for the rec, Uncle Joe.

Much appreciated.

[Darb]

9. I am guessing that you have read Brock's email, because I certainly

wouldn't make extreme claims about it without having read it. And by the way, which "dead communist dictator" is that?

If you guys would just cough up the email that is twisting your panties into a wad then we could all read it for clarification.

You have read it right? I would like to as well.

Thanks.

[Darb]

19. This is where the link to Brock's email should be appearing.......

crickets

[rhett o rick]

30. Do you ask all reporters to read their source material before you believe their articles?

Rhetorical question. I am sure mr. Brock will refute.

[arcane1]

34. It's all an act. Notice the excessive use of "real Democrat" etc.

I guess this is the Clinton Crew's idea of damage control

[Darb]

42. I just want to get the real story, I read HuffPo, it was weak.

And your schtick is even weaker. Keep pissing off your own side, genius.

[arcane1]

47. Are we feeling defensive?

I would be too, if I had to defend this crap

[Darb]

53. Get over yourself.

Just post the email and we'll have a look see. I am not the type that gets all wet about some vague description of an email that should be readily available, but somehow hasn't made its way to the open. In this day and age, I like to go to the source.

Do you believe that Wall Street Urinal study on Bernie's $18 Trillion spending plans? No? Then wise up about this. If it is a bullshit attack, I will gladly condemn it. I will make that determination after I read it.

[roguevalley]

74. it will be a 'bullshit attack' until it isn't. when it isn't, what then? I would like to tell a few

Eskimos of your remarks.

[Divernan]

64. As always w/ Clintons;it's not the crime-it's the cover-up.

Oh, if this crew of defenders had only been around during the Clinton impeachment to demand personal physical access to that blue dress.

[passiveporcupine]

25. There may not be an available link to Brock's e-mail

but have you read the Huffo article referencing it? It's pretty clear what the e-mail message was.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11

[Darb]

31. I have read the HuffPo article and it is wanting.

To partisans, it is enough info to insinuate whatever. However, to fair, decent, loyal Democrats, it's for shit.

I'd like to read the email before I decide if it was a good idea or not. Just would like to see it, no big right?

[arcane1]

37. I'm a better Democrat than Clinton will ever be.

No "moderate" bullshit.

[Darb]

44. When you get the email, post it.

Thanks. I'll wait until then to make a judgement. Some Democrats are "moderate", jussayin. Good Democrats don't spend their time attacking the front-runner of our party, they promote their choice instead, and let the chips fall where they may.

It's your choice to injure one candidate to promote yours, not mine.

[arcane1]

56. Gladly :)

[roguevalley]

75. if you had hillary reading it they wouldn't believe it. True believers of the Democrat Crew

have their own thing.

[passiveporcupine]

92. Well, according to Darb, they are "loyal" dems

The rest of us? Not so much.

[virtualobserver]

126. so Hillary is the "victim" , because the SuperPAC she coordinates with sent a slime email....

attacking Bernie. This is being reported worldwide. If it wasn't true, Brock's people would have disavowed it, even with a tweet.
They have been tweeting all day.....but about this, total silence.

Good Democrats wouldn't spend their time sliming Bernie, "jussayin"

[passiveporcupine]

68. Perhaps Huffpo or Brock would be willing to send you a copy

[arcane1]

81. Personally, I'm dying to read it. And post it here and see how fast people drop out of the thread

[KoKo]

10. Thanks MF!

Helps to read what this is all about in more detail...

[Darb]

23. Except for the actual Brock email.

That is the most important part.

[daleanime]

11. K&R.....

[Truprogressive85]

12. corward David Brock

can you imagine a superpac that attacked HRC on

Clinton Foundation and its dark pool of money

the mulitpe threads and crying we would see from HRC supporters

[WillyT]

14. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

[Prism]

16. It's part of the red-baiting campaign

Notice there hasn't been much traction with "Socialist! Socialist! Socialist!" (I expect it to have more power in the general, perhaps)

So, let's paint him as kind of in bed with communists!

And to think, these are Democrats pulling this.

I think the phrase "right-wing attack" is over-used whenever someone doesn't like the criticism their candidate is receiving.

But this is a right-wing attack, by our corporate wing.

These fuckin people.

[Eriteo]

21. Could anyone post the email please?

I don't know what it says.

[passiveporcupine]

61. You'd have to ask Brock or Huffpo for a copy of the e-mail.

But the Huffpo piece that I linked to above makes it pretty clear.

[ancianita]

24. How did this guy work for the Heritage Foundation AND found Media Matters. He's a force.

[madfloridian]

26. Look up David Brock, Anita Hill.

I respected the way he changed apparently after leading attacks on the Clintons. But he got carried away on this.

Also read Blinded by the Right.

[ancianita]

33. Thanks, I will! He also wrote a Hillary biography, and she's loved him ever since. They seem like

Republicans running under Democratic cover.

Bernie's oppo research guys on Hillary need to strategize with Bernie's campaign ad guys.

If they do it right, they won't need to spend a lot on a lot of different points that smash her populism and feminism.

[Darb]

39. Did you read this email?

I'd like to read it too. I also read "Blinded by the Right". Brock is in the mix for sure. I'd really like to read the actual email. A HuffPo piece doesn't cut it. As Brock did before he turned, one could insinuate all kinds of shit out of nothing at all, just to make a name for yourself, for ulterior motives. That's why I would prefer to see the actual email, someone else's vague interpretation of it doesn't cut it for me.

[1monster]

160. Brock admitted he sent that email. He called it "standard opposition

research."

He did not deny the Huffington report when he was asked about it.

That video was posted last night.

[frylock]

168. They won't be satisfied until they see the long-form birth certificate.

[Catherina]

29. Thanks for your thread Mad. We got Bernie's back

Had it from the start because for some of us, this isn't our first time watching the Clinton's dirty tricks.

I'm surprised she hasn't called him a slumlord yet or that Bill hasn't made one of his dumb comments like "A few years ago, this guy wouldn't have been allowed into our country club".

What was that he said again about Obama in 2007? Oh yeah- "A few years ago, this guy would have been carrying our bags" and if that wasn't bad enough, he doubled down and repeated it saying "A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee" .

We got Bernie's back. He can keep taking the high road. I'll do my share to expose verifiable dirt about Clinton's associations like her gushing admiration of that war criminal Henry Kissinger and how she rattles on about women's rights while condemning millions of poor women in countries like Iraq, Honduras, Libya to a life of slavery, sexual exploitation, starvation and death.

[madfloridian]

32. Yes, we do have his back. Thanks Catherina.

[ancianita]

38. Associate her with Kissinger in TV ads and you've got the veteran vote.

[KoKo]

131. That won't be hard to do! Check This Out!

Henry Kissinger to Hillary Clinton: ‘At least four secretaries of state became president’

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

he Hillary Clinton for President bandwagon just got another rider: Henry Kissinger.

Her fellow former secretary of state went beyond the typical professional courtesy and gave what sounded like a heartfelt endorsement for Clinton in 2016. “At least four secretaries of state became president,” he said at Wednesday’s Atlantic Council’s Leadership Awards. “I want to tell Hillary that when she misses the office, when she looks at the histories of secretaries of state, there might be hope for a fulfilling life afterwards.”

The German-born Kissinger introduced Clinton by joking about his own ambitions — despite the constitutional provision that prevented him from becoming president. “I thought up all kinds of schemes to get around that.” But then he got serious: “I think of Hillary with admiration and affection. . .When I call Mrs. Clinton ‘Hillary,’ I do that not so much to indicate familiarity but to use a name that the whole world uses. It shows to what extent she has succeeded in her people-to-people work.”

Clinton responded with her own bouquet to Kissinger. “The fact is that everywhere I go people talk to me about Henry,” she told the crowd, then compared him to another of the nights’ honorees, Tony Bennett. Bennett, she said, “is the Henry Kissinger of music — and Henry is the Tony Bennett of diplomacy. Each one of them can make you feel like you’re such a slacker.”

Clinton and Kissinger sat side by side during dinner at the Ritz-Carlton, creating a traffic jam of VIPs lined up to have a moment or snap a picture. Clinton looked rested and Kissinger looked. . .well, pretty much how he’s looked for the past few decades. No small feat for someone turning 90 years old later this month.

More than 700 guests — political, military, diplomats— from 33 countries attended the international security organization’s annual dinner, which officially launched the Adrienne Arsht Latin America Center. The group always attracts big names: This year’s awardees were Clinton, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, Chevron CEO John Watson, Bennett, and Colombian singer and peace activist Juanes.

The evening ended with a Bennett-Juanes duet (in English and Spanish) of “The Shadow of Your Smile” and a rousing “Happy Birthday” from the crowd for Kissinger — with Hillary leading the singing.


0446 (1)1367518810_image_982w Tony Bennett and Juanes perform at Wednesday’s Atlantic Council dinner. (Alswang Photography)

[ancianita]

145. Holy crap! Awesome! Thanks!

[Peace Patriot]

172. Kind of makes you want to vomit...

...like the Chilean leftists being pushed out of the airplanes into the sea, like the naked girl-child covered with Agent Orange running down the road in Vietnam, like the tens of thousands of U.S. soldiers and hundreds of thousands of other people with bodies being ripped apart, shot, burned, bombed and all life ended, in wars that those attending this gala event manufactured, and profited from.

Does Hillary Clinton wonder at the revolt against her in the Democratic Party, when she associates with such evil warmongers and war profiteers?

This is the problem. I don't think she does. I think she wonders, not what the revolt is about, but how she can "spin" whatever needs to be "spun" to end up in the White House.

I'm a realist. I understand that you CAN'T be president of the United States and NOT understand and utilize "spin." That has been true of all leaders, good and bad, from time immemorial. Even Gandhi and Martin Luther King understood and sometimes utilized "spin." The risk is that you become an empty "spinning top"--no substance, all "spin." That's how I react to Hillary Clinton now (as opposed to what she could have been--a great leader): an empty "spinning top."

I don't think it would even occur to her, now, how offensive a photo of her nuzzling up to Henry Kissinger is. She is "spinning" for the rich and powerful, and for the evil, and not for you and me, and not for the poor majority, and not for the millions of victims of U.S. militarism and corporatism, here and elsewhere.

When I get over the nausea I feel just thinking about this horrible "gala," I feel sad. But not for long. We, the people, can change this. We can reform our party and our country. I'm an optimistic realist. We CAN do this!

Peace

[historylovr]

35. It is obscene to go after Sen. Sanders for helping his poorer constituents.

I hope it comes back to bite Brock and Co. in the ass.

[madfloridian]

152. Yes, it is.

I am surprised they went there.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

36. Well, there goes Hillary's "civil" campaign. K&R

[Darb]

48. Oh, you read Brock's email? Post it, I'd like to see it.

Thanks.

[roguevalley]

76. yawn.

[Fred Sanders]

102. Where is the email? Tough question to answer??

See post 86 for full context...if you want.

[Aerows]

148. Goodness.

You must be tired.

Maybe you will wake up and none of this actually happened.

Probably not, but hey, hope springs eternal, right?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

106. Do you really think we haven't seen your refrain over and over in this thread?

yes, you want to see the damn email. We get it. I suggest you go look for it. I detest unnecessary helplessness.

People like you may not yet understand, but you'll be made to understand: this little stunt just opened a gate that isn't going to be closed again. There are millions of U.S. who want nothing more than to vomit when exposed to the same old political games that have been damaging this country for so long. And for an alleged Democrat to attack Sanders in the same way a piece of shit Republican would is way, way beyond the pale.

So I don't care anything about trying to chase down documentation for you. My mind is set, and I don't give a motherfuck about trying to align my opinion with those who swim in the Koch/Adelson pond. If she wants a war, we can do that. End.

[Ed Suspicious]

154. Super-boring, broken-record right stuff here.

[fbc]

46. The conservatives are getting nervous....

They don't like anyone interfering with their co-opting of the democratic party.

[GoneFishin]

116. Yeah. It really pisses them off, especially with it being her turn and all.

[restorefreedom]

51. so clintonian, and i don't mean that as a compliment

this is typical establishment politics, and is the precise reason why Bernie and trump are gonna be the two nominees. People have had enough of this shit

[Peace Patriot]

59. Hugo Chavez was a "communist dictator"?

This is simply not true. And the irony is that what the corporate media did to Hugo Chavez, they are now going to do to Bernie Sanders.

If the following is a true report of what Sanders wrote (in reply to the Hillary SuperPAC)...

Sanders wrote in the email: "Yesterday, one of Hillary Clinton’s most prominent Super PACs attacked our campaign pretty viciously.

"They suggested I’d be friendly with Middle East terrorist organizations, and even tried to link me to a dead communist dictator." (my emphasis)

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/253694-sanders-goes-on-the-attack-against-clinton

...and, truly, we have got to be very careful about such things (misquotes, lies, misrepresentations, etc.) (--this was reported in The Hill, and it's in quotes, but there is no link to Sanders' actual email), IF, as I said, Bernie wrote this, then it is the first thing that Bernie Sanders has said with which I completely disagree and which gives me pause about his grasp of corporate media deviltry, and certainly about his grasp of Latin American affairs, despite the fact that he supported Venezuela's contribution of heating oil to poor Vermonters. Of course, Hillary Clinton is far worse on Latin American affairs, and the Puke thugs would nuke Venezuela to prevent Venezuela's amazing leftist democracy revolution from influencing our people not to mention stealing their oil. So I'll take Bernie any day. He listens. He can learn. He is a real person and not SuperPAC robot or billionaire asshole.

But, hey, Bernie, the people with the "best election system in the world," according to Jimmy Carter--the people of Venezuela-- did NOT elect a "communist dictator." They elected a SOCIALIST, after decades of extremely difficult, grass roots work to reform their democracy, and they voted for him again and again, by huge majorities, in...I repeat...the "best election system in the world." I have followed the Venezuelan democracy revolution very closely from the beginning. I have also personally looked into the details of their election system, which is far, FAR more honest and transparent than our own (like night and day). This was a peoples' revolution and to call it a "communist dictator" revolution is to slander the millions of Venezuelans who transformed their country from an oligarchy to a true democracy--something we have yet to do.

Further, I have closely followed the corporate media coverage of Hugo Chavez and I guarantee you, Bernie, that YOU'RE NEXT! The man was SLANDERED, time and time again. Mountains of disinformation and outright lies. I was blown away by it, even though I knew how bad the corporate media can be. What they did to Chavez was appalling--but also a measure of their fear of Chavez, their fear of leftist democracy itself, and their fear of an uprising here.

Don't underestimate them, Bernie! And don't pander to them with crap like this ("communist dictator," my ass!)

[arcane1]

63. I read that as in reference to the media creation, not the actual Chavez.

[madfloridian]

66. So did I.

[Peace Patriot]

123. Ah! Maybe I mis-read it. I hope so.

It would not make sense for Bernie Sanders to be spouting a far right/fascist line about Chavez. Hard for me to think he was so ill-informed--but, by God, the corporate media was so relentless in its lies about Chavez that many, many good people were fooled, and still are.

Maybe Bernie should have indicated, in some way, that he was being ironical. Or maybe I shouldn't have been so quick to judge.

[reddread]

128. they will spin that as hard as they can

outdated, useless strategy by incompetents.
something to look forward to.

[roguevalley]

77. I think he said communist because that is the implication they are trying to paint on him.

I doubt he thinks that way otherwise. He said back what they are implying. The cowards.

[reformist2]

60. Isn't it a neo-con thing to hate on Hugo Chavez and Venezuela?

I thought it was only Repugs that got their undies in a bunch whenever someone said something good about (the late) Hugo Chavez. I suspect most Dems actually still have favorable feelings towards him.

I predict his too will be another Hillary strategy that backfires, and badly.

[arcane1]

67. The only direction they can attack from is the right. And Brock knows the right very well.

[bullwinkle428]

65. Leopards and sleaze merchants don't change their spots.

[Robbins]

70. What this shows

Bernie won't just take these slimes.

Hilary has a superpac run by guy who once went after her husband.

And yeah I consider this an attack by Clinton campagin to go after bernie who has showed more class.

[upaloopa]

86. It was an email sent to Huffington not a slam put out by Correct the Record

Last edited Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:07 PM - Edit history (1)

"The email, sent to a Huffington Post reporter in response to an article about Corbyn and Sanders without any agreement that it would be off the record"

They are reporting on a private email not a statement by Correct the Record. Much to do about nothing!
If you go to Correct the Record as I did and search on Bernie Sanders you get nothing attacking him.

This is being blown way out of proportion. I am sure other people write emails about Bernie and Hillary criticizing them. That is all this was.

[SoapBox]

95. Where is the correction/clarification/denial?

If this is just one email...and there is nothing on the website...then where is the statement from her campaign or Brock, denying any involvement in this slime?

Uh huh...nothing.

Brock's group sent it...period...and this sleaze is a big deal because it's DIRTY shit that is usually done by Pukes and Baggers.

Oh ya, this will leave a mark but it will be on HER.

[Fred Sanders]

98. So all this is is just another misrepresented smear? No one outside Huff gets to see the actual email?

[upaloopa]

107. I don't know who gets to see the email

I read the story attached to the OP.
It says it was an email sent to a reporter who must have gone public with the intention of the email.
It has nothing officially to do with Hillary.

[DonCoquixote]

89. If Hillary fails to win

It will be for the exact same reason she lost in 2008, her unwillingness to call back her centre-right dogs who are willing to attack anyone to their slight left.

There is still time to save this Hillary. Send the people whop are doing you NO GOOD packing, and yes includes DWS.

[madfloridian]

91. Found DU post from 2005 explaining more about Chavez, Citgo, and Bernie and Vermonters.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1994026

Sunday, December 18, 2005

Vermont could be in Venezeula's cheap-oil pipeline

Published: Friday, December 16, 2005
By Terri Hallenbeck
Free Press Staff Writer

MONTPELIER -- Some of that cheap Venezeulan oil that has been flowing into the homes of poor people in Massachusetts and New York might make its way to Vermont, under a plan being negotiated by Rep. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.

The deal is not sealed, but a plan in the works would have the Vermont Fuel Dealers Association buying fuel from Citgo, an oil company controlled by the Venezuelan government, said Sean Cota, a member of the association's board of directors and co-owner of Cota & Cota fuel dealership in Bellows Falls. Because the fuel is offered at lower prices than other oil companies are charging, the savings would be passed on to help those receiving home-heating assistance.

The move would give Vermont much-needed relief in providing help to people who are struggling to pay unusually high heating bills this season, but it would also put Republican Vermont Gov. Jim Douglas in the awkward position of accepting help from a leftist critic of President Bush.

Heat won out over politics, said Douglas' spokesman, Jason Gibbs.
(snip/...)

[SoapBox]

97. Thank you!

...leftist critic of Bush!

Count me as one of those!

[arcane1]

100. Great find!!

[SusanaMontana41]

99. Exactly as predicted. If Hillary is calling out the big guns, she must be desperate.

Inauthentic and desperate.

This will play right into Bernie's hands. WE'RE not going anywhere. If anything, people will love him MORE.

[pnwmom]

105. What I don't get is why any Dem would consider the cheaper oil a negative.

Bernie supporters should probably thank the Brock group for highlighting what Bernie's been doing for people.

[HereSince1628]

115. Anything that can be twisted into a negative is going to be ammunition for politicians and pacs

I think the idea was Red baiting version 2015. They want to link Sanders to Hugo Chavez, whom the the oil industry sees as an enemy of Capitalism. It doesn't matter if the help in oil kept some people from suffering in the cold. The help from Chavez story is going to shrugged off as a propaganda ploy.

There's a lot of money at stake for the political top...which is to say everyone whose in the 1% or a smaller fraction of concentrated wealth. You can bet everyone pushing for increasing revenue by raising taxes on the ridiculously wealthy is going to be in the sights of the slime machine.

Wouldn't surprise me if that's why one campaign announced "being guilty of centrism" so as to protect from being included in the coming hosing.

[Babel_17]

112. Arrogance and stupidity all in the same package in trying to smear Sanders in this fashion

How efficient.

This will contribute to their undoing. This isn't the '90s when crap can just appear out of the ether.
This looks like it was born out of a feeling of helplessness and desperation, it has the smell of fear about it, and it's redolent of times I'd think Secretary Clinton would rather not remind people of.

[MisterP]

117. Anita Hill Brock? Paula Jones Brock? yeeuuuurgh

guess he didn't shift that far left, and guess Clinton's not that mad at the (entirely real) VRWC

don't ever play their game, because the house will always win

[FloriTexan]

119. Kick!

I love the Superpack!

Welcome back!

[madfloridian]

120. ....

Back tentatively and cautiously.

[Enthusiast]

122. Kicked and recommended!

[madfloridian]

130. Watch Brock on TV not apologizing, not explaining.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251596835

[grasswire]

132. unfortunately, this will harm Media Matters

I have always respected MM immensely. Now I'm about to unsubscribe.

Can't have a media watchdog organization that is partisan to one candidate.

[KoKo]

136. Got sucked back into MSM...Brock Crashed & Burned on Bloomberg's Business Show

"All Due Respect" Politics Show tonight.

He thought he was on there to get publicity for his latest Book (on tour) but they hit him with his Attack on Bernie. I'm not a fan of MSM...but they did a credible job on exposing Brock for the Two Time Dealer he is.

He's pumping his Book while raking in the Clintons Funding in Millions for her Election.

It was quite a spectical to watch!

[PatrickforO]

133. Lots of comments on this thread demanding links that don't exist, so I thought maybe

I could help clarify.

David Brock, a Clinton ally, runs a super PAC called 'Correct the Record.' He has tactically superb strategy. First, he sends out 'trackers' to 'keep an eye' on opponents. MSNBC wrote about this in http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/pro-clinton-super-pac-keeps-close-eye-rivals. In this article, it says that 'Correct the Record' is coordinating closely with Clinton's campaign. O'Malley spotted four of these trackers at his events, and trackers have been assigned to both Bernie and O'Malley. Bernie is not using 'trackers.'

Correct the Record sent an email to a Huffington Post reporter. Huffington post is not sharing the email, however they wrote a story about it. The story states that, "The email, sent to a Huffington Post reporter in response to an article about Corbyn and Sanders without any agreement that it would be off the record, was meant to flag Corbyn's "most extreme comments." Among those was the suggestion that the assassination of Osama bin Laden was "a tragedy," since there was no attempt to arrest the former al Qaeda leader and put him on trial. The email also cites Corbyn's comment that he'd invite his "friends" from Hezbollah to come to the U.K. to discuss peace in the Middle East and an editorial in which he said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization's "attempt to encircle Russia is one of the big threats of our time."

The Huffpo article then states that the "email uses those comments to pivot to "similarities" between Corbyn and Sanders, who have engaged in a mild cross-Atlantic love-fest of late, given that they are both insurgent populists challenging their political parties' establishments. Corbyn has said he is following Sanders' campaign "with great interest," and Sanders said he was "delighted" that the Labour Party elected Corbyn as its leader." Here's the link to the Huffpo article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-jeremy-corbyn_55f73339e4b00e2cd5e79e11?p5fp3nmi.

Now, Bernie is firing back against this 'guilt by association' smear. In a second Huffpo article, Sanders states, ""Yesterday, one of Hillary Clinton’s most prominent Super PACs attacked our campaign pretty viciously," Sanders' fundraising email reads. "It was the kind of onslaught I expected to see from the Koch Brothers or Sheldon Adelson, and it’s the second time a billionaire Super PAC has tried to stop the momentum of the political revolution we’re building together." Here's the link to that article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-clinton-correct-the-record_55f85058e4b09ecde1d9d374?utm_hp_ref=politics.

Sanders is using the attack to encourage each of us to send him $3. I'm donating my $3 tomorrow. I don't much like smears.

[madfloridian]

137. Nice post, clear explanation.

Thanks.

[frylock]

139. You should make a seperate post in the Sanders group about that money bomb

[djean111]

156. Demanding links and evidence repeatedly is just an old thread-jacking tactic.

With the added (and ungrammatical) "us real Democrats" as a little added attraction. I suspect we will be seeing "REAL Democrats" a LOT.
Well, I have a higher standard for "real Democrat" than just that "D" on the jersey. I don't support DINOs.

In addition, just because a couple of zealots post requests for links 82 times, doesn't mean we have to respond. In other threads, the evidence is accepted and laughed at as just politics. They are just thread-jacking. At least we don't have to look at little charts proving Hillary is liberal. Or did they get retired now that she says she is a moderate? bwahahaha!

[reddread]

157. Operation Jack Ruby

LHO, Osama and Bill Casey.

[emsimon33]

135. Desperate times call for desperate measures

Clinton can not run on her record other than the support of women's issues.

[portlander23]

144. dark money

[DJ13]

155. I thought, even with Citizens United, it was against the law for PACs

to coordinate directly with a candidate's campaign.

?

[KoKo]

159. Questions have been raised over whether Brock's "Correct the Record"

complies with those regulations. There was an article on Politco or somewhere else that went into his Super Pac and how "CTR" was murky in how it was skirting the even the very weak rules that govern Super Pac activities. As I remember, he Split his Super Pac and claimed that "CTR" was just going to be like "Media Matters" but the focus on Hillary with his other SuperPac brought it into question. There was some complicated financial legal language that brought it into question.

If I find it I will post.

[raouldukelives]

158. K&R

Another election in the most democracy Wall St investors will allow.

[nyabingi]

165. "Dead communist dictator"?

What kind of "socialist" can smear someone like Hugo Chavez as being a "dictator"? Yes, he's dead and he was very much a leftist if not communist, but dictator?

The man was elected more than once in fully democratic elections in Venezuela and was overwhelmingly popular at home and abroad (except in the West). Only after enduring an attempted coup and constant treason by right-wing racists (supported by the US, of course) did he finally start jailing those plotting additional coups attempts against him. Hugo Chavez was only a "dictator" in the minds of Westerners who support American exceptionalism and regime change.

This comment from Bernie sums up the reservations people like me have supporting someone like Bernie. He has been very mum on his foreign policy because he has been on the hawkish side of foreign policy more times than a true "socialist" would be and he doesn't want people to highlight that aspect of his character.

Chavez was dedicated to enriching the lives of the poor, uneducated have-nots in Venezuela (something which Bernie himself is supposedly dedicated to doing), yet Bernie outs himself by showing that he is a supporter of the American military complex and machine. You can't fix domestic problems without addressing and fixing foreign policy too, Bernie.

[Oilwellian]

170. I think Bernie was mimicking the media's portrayal of Chavez

I also think Brock thought his little Commie and Hezbollah smears would remain anonymous, but HP decided to link his name to the email. His cowardly response in the Bloomberg interview proves my point quite well.

SCHMUCK

[nyabingi]

171. I think it's pretty clear to Hillary

that she and the people working for her have once again overestimated how much support she has among the voters out there. She blew off Obama in much the same way in 2008 as she's doing Bernie now, and she's going to find out that there are a lot of Democratic voters who just aren't buying what she's trying to sell.

I hope what you say about Bernie is true. We need an American president who is interested in fostering friendly relations with other countries, working with them instead of trying to undermine their governments and their democracies.

[Ikonoklast]

166. Hard working people....White people....want to know if Bernard Sanders is really a....

COMMIE JOOOOOOOOooooooooo!


This will be right after Clinton loses Iowa.

[rosesaylavee]

167. that's really too bad as I like Media Matters.

Crap.


Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.

[madfloridian]

169. Media Matters is a great source. Used it for years.

I think America Bridge has done good things for the party as well. Must be the fact that this group is not dedicated to anything but Clinton. That accounts for a lot.

I don't like criticizing David Brock. I've read his books and realized his turn a round from what he did to Anita Hill. I just think in this case he went too far.