2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton's outreach to white women voters continues with "softer interviews"
as her support from them drops from 71% to 42% in 8 weeks.
To stop her recent skid in the polls, Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton is targeting women voters, a group that is key to her campaign. Andrea Mitchell reports for TODAY.
"Hillary Clinton is reaching out to that group that she had always counted on, white women voters, who are now abandoning her in droves during the last two months," NBC's Andrea Mitchell reported on Tuesday's Today show.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/15/andrea_mitchell_white_women_voters_abandoning_hillary_in_droves.html
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)How about telling us your position on TTP and fracking, Hill?
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)Although she doesn't really have to tell us....it's obvious. She just looks so craven in remaining silent.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)She just needs to double down on what she thinks women voters want.
Prism
(5,815 posts)Tch. You know it'll happen.
elfin
(6,262 posts)Now, while I may like the new presentations, I think they are contrived because of that announcement.
Her team is isn't doing well by her IMO.
I was aghast at an interview with Palmieri, when she not only looked slipshod, but could not speak more than one sentence without using the fillers of "ums" and "ahs" throughout. And she is the director of the campaign's communications!
HRC also speaks in this manner when questioned, especially about a topic about which she goes into defensive mode like Emails. Drives me nuts. Once I notice it, it soon becomes ALL I notice.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)because as a woman, I don't give a flying fuck how 'nice' or 'much fun' anybody finds Kim Kardashian.
Nor do I give a flying fuck that Kim Kardashian attended one of her fund raisers.
In fact, I go out of my way to avoid news and even mention of Kim Kardashian.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Kim Kardashian, eh?
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I mean Ive never seen the tv show and I dont think I could pick her up out of a line up of women with long brown hair and a tan.
This may go down in history as the most ill-conceived campaign ever. Inevitable my ass.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)pablum and focus-tested bullshit... just coast to the nomination.
It's astoundingly similar to 2008, and one would think she would have learned something.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)You do NOT want to ever watch the show.
Ever.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I need all the IQ points I have (theyre dwindling rapidly)!
BuelahWitch
(9,083 posts)Dancing with the Stars!
demmiblue
(36,864 posts)She needs to be less careful, less groomed and less reliant on her handlers.
I think she would make more of an impact if she simply relies on herself, her own instincts.
Ino
(3,366 posts)I can't imagine her just doing whatever handlers suggest, and BEING groomed. She seems far too independent and strong-willed to be that wishy-washy. I think all this stuff is generated in response to her inclinations and approved by her, and can't be blamed on the advisors.
Her own instincts? I think she is instinctively secretive and cynical, and that drives her constantly changing personas. She really believes she should say & do whatever she thinks is needed to get what she wants (not whatever is authentic) because "that's how the game is played" and "that's what everyone else does" and "just say what people want to hear, then do what you want later."
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Feedback says people want her to be more authentic and less programmed, so she has her people come up with a 10 point roadmap with carefully programmed steps on how she is going to "display more authentic spontaneity"
frylock
(34,825 posts)jfern
(5,204 posts)She lets the real neoliberal hawk out. That doesn't go over well either. She's either completely inauthentic or Republican-lite.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Basically, her campaign was going to end if she lost both IA and NH. So she let herself be far less stage-managed. And she won.
With her campaign viability restored, she went back to focus-group-Clinton...and then lost the nomination.
I'd have thought that this would be the lesson she would have learned from 2008. Instead, it appears all she learned was "need black vote".
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)we know what happens when she thinks shes won. Stage-managed, mean-spirited Hillary. No thanks.
You know, I think the thing for me that separates Bernie from the rest of them is that I believe Bernie wants to be President because he wants people to have better lives. I just get this sense that he knows its a sucky, thankless, dangerous job but hes going to do it because he wants to help.
Hillary just wants her coronation. There is something, i dunno, twisted about how Hillary is going about this AGAIN that makes me feel as though its all about her ego, or to paraphrase the Romney campaign If not Hillary then who? Shes gotten it into her head that her destiny is to be the first female president and by god shes going to do it and no one is going to stand in her way.
askew
(1,464 posts)Lordy, no one cares. Just like no one cares that Hillary is a grandma. It is so condescending and transparent that it just pisses this white woman off. Obama could do the softer interviews because people trusted and liked him. The general public doesn't like or trust Hillary. These interviews won't fix that problem.
bvf
(6,604 posts)it'll probably make things worse.
It's not as if she's trying to burnish an already-positive image, after all. She's had ages to address her image problems. Now she's just offering toys from Grandma.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Elect-rolytes!
bunnies
(15,859 posts)What next? Floral patterned blouses? Recipes? Please.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)She thinks we're so stupid that creams and candles and sweet talk is going to win us over?! Shes doing exactly the opposite thing that she should be. Thats some stellar judgement there.
Autumn
(45,106 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)of the royal mounties.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Do you think Hillary will come out with commemorative sheets with her image?
Ino
(3,366 posts)Who IS this person?! She'll let us know when she's elected
djean111
(14,255 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 15, 2015, 05:44 PM - Edit history (1)
if elected. That won't be Chelsea going overseas, that will be our families and friends. A lot of us women voters have seen our jobs go to H-1B visa holders. Does she think we all sit around and watch Oprah? really? is she that out of touch? That is not presidential material.
And - how much more condescending can she possibly get? We are not electing a den mother.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Clealry the voterconsumerunits in the specified target market demographics have simply not been introduced to the right version of Hillary.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Autumn
(45,106 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)You, you bastard people!
jeff47
(26,549 posts)silenttigersong
(957 posts)Please remind women via Mrs.Greenspans cleveraly crafted montage of soundbites,that most women have not the advantages of being married to a President ,designer clothing,names that gained millions by use of sexual exploitation-obbsesed with looks and body image.As well as your husbands sexual exploits.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)selling ice to Eskimo's might work now that the polar caps are melting.Now about the keystone pipeline and the deals with various Clinton Foundation donors any comments ?
frylock
(34,825 posts)time to soften it up with 10% more Hillary's mom.
summerschild
(725 posts)tried to vote for her the first time she ran but could not because I decided she was too hawkish.
Same thing this time except I don't see her as "hawkish" - - I see her as a HAWK.
She lost me completely when she made her speech for the Iran treaty. I am for the treaty - but she sounded to me like she would prefer war. I'm not even sure how she managed to do that.
The longer she goes the more Republican she sounds. The email crap is just Republican garbage - anyone who lived through the Clinton smears in the White House recognizes that. So is Benghazi. But her foreign policy, TPP, energy, Monsanto, supporting neoconservatives...... just can't hang with her. I tried.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)And coupons for free Botox injections! The Hillary camp knows what women really want!