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morningfog

(18,115 posts)
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:11 PM Sep 2015

No, Bernie Sanders is not going to bankrupt America to the tune of $18 trillion

The big policy headline today comes from the Wall Street Journal, which delivers this alarming message:

Price Tag of Bernie Sanders’ Proposals: $18 Trillion

Holy cow! He must be advocating for some crazy stuff that will bankrupt America! But is that really an accurate picture of what Sanders is proposing? And is this the kind of number we should be frightened of?

The answer isn’t quite so dramatic: while Sanders does want to spend significant amounts of money, almost all of it is on things we’re already paying for; he just wants to change how we pay for them. In some ways it’s by spreading out a cost currently borne by a limited number of people to all taxpayers. His plan for free public college would do this: right now, it’s paid for by students and their families, while under Sanders’ plan we’d all pay for it in the same way we all pay for parks or the military or food safety.

But the bulk of what Sanders wants to do is in the first category: to have us pay through taxes for things we’re already paying for in other ways. Depending on your perspective on government, you may think that’s a bad idea. But we shouldn’t treat his proposals as though they’re going to cost us $18 trillion on top of what we’re already paying.

And there’s another problem with that scary $18 trillion figure, which is what the Journal says is the 10-year cost of Sanders’ ideas: fully $15 trillion of it comes not from an analysis of anything Sanders has proposed, but from the fact that Sanders has said he’d like to see a single-payer health insurance system, and there’s a single-payer plan in Congress that has been estimated to cost $15 trillion. Sanders hasn’t actually released any health care plan, so we have no idea what his might cost.

But health care is nevertheless a good place to examine why these big numbers can be so misleading. At the moment, total health care spending in the United States runs over $3 trillion a year; according to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, over the next decade (from 2015-2024), America will spend a total of $42 trillion on health care. This is money that you and I and everyone else spends. We spend it in a variety of ways: through our health-insurance premiums, through the reduced salaries we get if our employers pick up part or all of the cost of those premiums, through our co-pays and deductibles, and through our taxes that fund Medicare, Medicaid, ACA subsidies, and the VA health care system. We’re already paying about $10,000 a year per capita for health care.

more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/09/15/no-bernie-sanders-is-not-going-to-bankrupt-america-to-the-tune-of-18-trillion/

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No, Bernie Sanders is not going to bankrupt America to the tune of $18 trillion (Original Post) morningfog Sep 2015 OP
But...but...SOCIALIST!!!! dorkzilla Sep 2015 #1
...and then the GOVERNMENT might run things!!1 cyberswede Sep 2015 #2
It's just anotber Red Scare from the Hillary camp. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #3
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2015 #4
And this: "Wall Street Journal’s Scary Bernie Sanders Price Tag Ignores Health Savings" Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #5
You mean some HC supporters posted right wing propaganda on DU? beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #6
Being a conservative means making up any bullshit you want... phantom power Sep 2015 #7
Kick. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #8
when a major dem candidate restorefreedom Sep 2015 #9
It also confirms what side in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #13
Kick. Luminous Animal Sep 2015 #10
K&R hedgehog Sep 2015 #11
O dear abelenkpe Sep 2015 #12
Awful, isn't it?! in_cog_ni_to Sep 2015 #14
That decades old right wing boilerplate came hot, furious, fast, and EASY FROM THE HEART! TheKentuckian Sep 2015 #15
The words Bernie and bankrupt America in the same headline. You gotta love the Washington Post. Skwmom Sep 2015 #16
He's going to plague us all with ring around the collar! Warren DeMontague Sep 2015 #17

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
1. But...but...SOCIALIST!!!!
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:29 PM
Sep 2015

The smell of desperation is really starting to take over here...

Smells like Bern-ing rubber!!!!

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
5. And this: "Wall Street Journal’s Scary Bernie Sanders Price Tag Ignores Health Savings"
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:39 PM
Sep 2015
https://theintercept.com/2015/09/15/wall-street-journals-scary-bernie-sanders-price-tag-ignores-health-savings/

The provenance of the figure is in many ways besides the point. Readers are intended to bug their eyes out at such a massive sum, and tsk-tsk at the deeply unserious, budget-busting promises of a democratic socialist. It’s the numerical version of a smear campaign.

But how did the Journal arrive at $18 trillion? They added up the 10-year price tags of seven programs Sanders has endorsed in his candidacy for president. It turns out that $15 trillion out of the $18 trillion, or 83 percent of the total, comes from just one of these programs: establishing a single-payer health care system.

The $15 trillion figure is derived from an analysis of a similar single-payer bill, H.R. 676, introduced in 2013 by Rep. John Conyers. Gerald Friedman, a labor economist at the University of Massachusetts at Amherst, conducted the analysis.

What the Wall Street Journal won’t tell you is that $15 trillion in national health spending over 10 years would represent a massive savings for the United States. Right now we spend at twice that rate for health care. According to the Congressional Budget Office, in fiscal year 2013 alone, the U.S. spent $2.8 trillion on total health expenditures, not including the $250 billion tax break employers get for providing health insurance to their workers.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
6. You mean some HC supporters posted right wing propaganda on DU?
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:40 PM
Sep 2015

What a shock.



Good op, let's see if they get the hint.

phantom power

(25,966 posts)
7. Being a conservative means making up any bullshit you want...
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 03:58 PM
Sep 2015

and having the media "report the controversy."

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
9. when a major dem candidate
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 04:08 PM
Sep 2015

starts peeling her talking points off of FOXNews, you know you're getting under their skin.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
12. O dear
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:11 PM
Sep 2015

He wants the wealthy and corporations to pay more taxes and spend more on education, health care and infrastructure?

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
15. That decades old right wing boilerplate came hot, furious, fast, and EASY FROM THE HEART!
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:43 PM
Sep 2015

The Turd Way IS your father's Republican party though less racist and bigoted (because they get votes from somewhere) but even more eager to lick the taints of the corporations, foolishly get into wars of choice, take a big ass shit on the Bill of Rights, and screw over working people any which way but loose.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
16. The words Bernie and bankrupt America in the same headline. You gotta love the Washington Post.
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:50 PM
Sep 2015

If nothing else, they are predictable. n/t

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
17. He's going to plague us all with ring around the collar!
Tue Sep 15, 2015, 06:52 PM
Sep 2015

Thankfully new, improved Hillary™ now comes with extra cleaning agents and is specifically reformulated for your washing machine.

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