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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 09:58 AM Sep 2015

Howard Dean to campaign for Hillary Clinton

Two of Vermont’s most prominent Democrats will campaign for Hillary Clinton this week, sending a clear message to fellow Vermonter Bernie Sanders as he gains on Clinton in the race for the Democratic nomination but struggles to win support from Democratic leaders.

....

Dean endorsed Clinton in December, snubbing Sanders, who is currently mounting an insurgent presidential bid similar to one Dean ran 11 years ago. And Dean appears to be stepping up his work for the former secretary of state’s campaign as the threat from Sanders becomes more real.

In late August, Dean traveled to New Hampshire to campaign for Clinton, Clinton herself will speak at the New Hampshire Democratic Party’s convention, along with Sanders and other candidates.

While Dean and Sanders have often been compared, and share much in common, the two have never had a particularly warm relationship, according to people who know them both in Vermont. Sanders served as Vermont’s only representative in Congress at the same time Dean served as the state’s governor, but Dean was more moderate as a governor than as a presidential candidate and the two had different politics, personal styles and constituencies.

In his 1997 book “Outside in the House,” Sanders called Dean “a moderate-to-conservative Democrat,” which might as well be a four letter word for Sanders. When Sanders ran for reelection to Congress as a independent in 1996, most of the Democratic Party, including President Bill Clinton, tacitly supported Sanders over his Democratic challenger, Jack Long. “To the best of my knowledge, Governor Dean is the only major Democrat to come out for [Long],” Sanders noted at the time.

The former governor’s presidential bid made him a liberal icon not unlike Sanders, so he’s a valuable surrogate for Clinton as he can vouch for her progressivism and defend her from the left. And his star power makes him a desirable guest for party events.

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Howard Dean to campaign for Hillary Clinton (Original Post) Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 OP
Surprise, surprise! Who'd have guessed? leveymg Sep 2015 #1
I was Deaniac back then but I'm not a Berniac now. DCBob Sep 2015 #2
From a former Deaniac, very disappointing. Myrina Sep 2015 #3
Extremely disappointing, to think I have even given him my hard earned money too YabaDabaNoDinoNo Sep 2015 #4
Great news! Rose Siding Sep 2015 #5
"I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks." Senator Tankerbell Sep 2015 #6
Yuk Now, I like him even less. N/t azmom Sep 2015 #57
This has got to roil the Bern. DCBob Sep 2015 #7
Establishment Democrat supports Clinton.. frylock Sep 2015 #14
Regardless it will certainly make voters pause and think.. DCBob Sep 2015 #18
I know, gosh. Why is the former head of the DNC supporting the Democrat rather than the Independent? frylock Sep 2015 #19
Oh so Bernie's not actually a Democrat?? DCBob Sep 2015 #21
He's an Independent running as a Democrat.. frylock Sep 2015 #24
It's advisable to actually be a Democrat if you are running for the Democratic nomination. DCBob Sep 2015 #29
You should call Sanders' campaign HQ and inform them.. frylock Sep 2015 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Sep 2015 #42
If they need me to advise them on something so obvious.. DCBob Sep 2015 #47
I can assure you, Bob, they don't need your advice.. frylock Sep 2015 #48
I can assure you I wasn't planning on giving them any advice. DCBob Sep 2015 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author frylock Sep 2015 #55
Chuckle. riversedge Sep 2015 #46
Wanna be cabinet member trades quid pro quo w/ HRC Divernan Sep 2015 #40
No doubt that's why the good doctor announced his support way back in December.. frylock Sep 2015 #43
That's too bad ibegurpard Sep 2015 #8
Did it ever occur to you that you might be wrong and others like Howard are right? DCBob Sep 2015 #12
The red flag is that they're not going to back an outsider.. frylock Sep 2015 #16
No bubble here.. DC is just a place to work. DCBob Sep 2015 #20
Cool. Then it's in the bag for Hillary.. frylock Sep 2015 #22
Yeah, I think it is in the bag as long as there isn't some horrendous actual scandal pop up. DCBob Sep 2015 #27
Talk about the bubble calling the bubble bubbly Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #64
You are saying NOTHING but the truth here. Number23 Sep 2015 #65
Tens of thousands of people in the rainbow gossamer internet cloud bubbles.. frylock Sep 2015 #67
then why does Bernie desire the nomination? treestar Sep 2015 #66
yes ibegurpard Sep 2015 #23
What you call "politically well connected" I would call politically well informed and knowledgeable. DCBob Sep 2015 #50
they'll abandon her ibegurpard Sep 2015 #52
I think it will take a major scandal to pry them away from Hillary at this point. DCBob Sep 2015 #53
K&R! SonderWoman Sep 2015 #9
Howard is still doing penance nichomachus Sep 2015 #10
Will he be in charge of the baggage car? Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2015 #11
Hah! That's the biggest car in the Clinton campaign train! Divernan Sep 2015 #41
What could equal the one-two punch of Cornell West and Ed Schultz? oasis Sep 2015 #60
LOL azmom Sep 2015 #58
YEEEARRRGHHHH!!!! frylock Sep 2015 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author Agschmid Sep 2015 #15
Lighten up, Francis. frylock Sep 2015 #17
BYEEEEAAAHHH Capt. Obvious Sep 2015 #25
WE'RE GOING TO CANCUN FOR SPRING BREAK! frylock Sep 2015 #26
Dean is a great guy Ashdric Sep 2015 #28
Bernie must have burned a lot of bridges upaloopa Sep 2015 #30
More liberal than self-proclaimed moderate, Hillary? frylock Sep 2015 #32
In your paradigm yea upaloopa Sep 2015 #35
My paradigm exists in The Real World™ that people constantly remind us about. frylock Sep 2015 #37
Hillary calls herself a moderate. Is she lying? nt bunnies Sep 2015 #34
You have to govern a whole country if you want upaloopa Sep 2015 #44
a moderate supporting a centrist so shocking Truprogressive85 Sep 2015 #33
Dean and Sanders have never gotten along. Chitown Kev Sep 2015 #36
Dean announced his support in December, before any candidates had even committed.. frylock Sep 2015 #39
I chose again to blame the messenger olddots Sep 2015 #38
Thanks you Gov Dean. riversedge Sep 2015 #45
Give 'em Hell Howard! ellisonz Sep 2015 #49
Maybe he'll stand in for her in the debates... HooptieWagon Sep 2015 #51
YAY!!! Thank you, Gov Dean! lunamagica Sep 2015 #56
m$nbc editorializes the so called news restorefreedom Sep 2015 #59
Why the heck would he want to support Hillary? senz Sep 2015 #61
Hurrah for common sense. McCamy Taylor Sep 2015 #62
Hillary actually has a history with Howard Capn Sunshine Sep 2015 #63
I have no doubt he owes her some political favors. Motown_Johnny Sep 2015 #68
Great person to have out there for you. NCTraveler Sep 2015 #69
I voted for Dean but difft times. I'm not with him on this one. hollowdweller Sep 2015 #70

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
1. Surprise, surprise! Who'd have guessed?
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 10:03 AM
Sep 2015

He's been actively campaigning and apologizing for her for months and months.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
2. I was Deaniac back then but I'm not a Berniac now.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 10:08 AM
Sep 2015

Two very different animals.. imo.

I'm with Howard and Hillary.

 

YabaDabaNoDinoNo

(460 posts)
4. Extremely disappointing, to think I have even given him my hard earned money too
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 10:19 AM
Sep 2015

Too bad I can't get it back

Oh well his choice

My choice he is now dead to me.



Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
5. Great news!
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 10:24 AM
Sep 2015

I've always supported the Doc. He's always been able to take the heat and will be a powerful advocate for Hillary.

Senator Tankerbell

(316 posts)
6. "I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks."
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 10:26 AM
Sep 2015

"I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks." - Howard Dean

frylock

(34,825 posts)
14. Establishment Democrat supports Clinton..
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:18 PM
Sep 2015

I'm sure everyone at Sanders' HQ is just stunned at this development.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
18. Regardless it will certainly make voters pause and think..
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:22 PM
Sep 2015

Why would a former Gov of VT not support a long time Senator from VT??

Maybe Howard knows something the rest of us don't.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
19. I know, gosh. Why is the former head of the DNC supporting the Democrat rather than the Independent?
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:25 PM
Sep 2015

I hope someone can get to the bottom of that.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
24. He's an Independent running as a Democrat..
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:34 PM
Sep 2015

as an independent myself, I don't give a shit about your uniforms or loyalty oaths.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
29. It's advisable to actually be a Democrat if you are running for the Democratic nomination.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:42 PM
Sep 2015

imho.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
31. You should call Sanders' campaign HQ and inform them..
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 02:13 PM
Sep 2015

you go on ahead and worry about that jersey color, and we'll continue to discuss the issues.

Response to frylock (Reply #31)

frylock

(34,825 posts)
48. I can assure you, Bob, they don't need your advice..
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 07:54 PM
Sep 2015

Independents and the unaffiliated make up the largest bloc of voters, and they don't give two shits about the color of the jersey the candidate may be sporting.

Response to DCBob (Reply #54)

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
8. That's too bad
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 10:56 AM
Sep 2015

Dean's great and he was a better DNC chair than anyone since (and better candidate than anyone else at the time) but not following him down this road. Disappointing to see him backing 3rd way candidate.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
12. Did it ever occur to you that you might be wrong and others like Howard are right?
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 12:45 PM
Sep 2015

Good grief, nearly every major Democrat has endorsed Hillary and not a single one has endorsed Bernie. Doesn't that raise a red flag??

frylock

(34,825 posts)
16. The red flag is that they're not going to back an outsider..
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:21 PM
Sep 2015

You really need to step outside of your DCBubble, Bob. Nobody is shocked that the establishment is backing the establishment candidate. This isn't earth-shattering news, and quite frankly it isn't going to influence very many people outside of the establishment. Do you think the kids care that Dean is backing Hillary?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
20. No bubble here.. DC is just a place to work.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:27 PM
Sep 2015

I've lived in 6 different states in different parts of country and in Asia.

From my life experiences I can tell Bernie is not a good national candidate. His key support will be limited to a few northern "white" states. Very risky for the general.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
22. Cool. Then it's in the bag for Hillary..
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:33 PM
Sep 2015

and we won't have to worry about the concerns of people here that never had any intention of voting for him in the first place, right? Or is there some serious concern about Hillary's chances to beat him, and the bullshit posts about his inability to connect with PoC, how he's a gun nut, linking him to "communist dicatators", and that weird piece he wrote about rape fantasies continue apace?

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
64. Talk about the bubble calling the bubble bubbly
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:47 AM
Sep 2015

DU floats along on rainbow gossamer internet cloud bubbles. The real world hardly ever intrudes here.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
65. You are saying NOTHING but the truth here.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 04:27 AM
Sep 2015
The real world hardly ever intrudes here.

And when it does, certain quarters howl and scream so loudly it sure as hell doesn't stay around for long.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
67. Tens of thousands of people in the rainbow gossamer internet cloud bubbles..
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:38 AM
Sep 2015

are actually very enthusiastic about voting for Sen Sanders. How many people do you interact with on a daily basis in The Real World™, and what's their level of enthusiasm for Hillary v7.2.1?

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
23. yes
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:33 PM
Sep 2015

Very few of my politically well connected friends (and there are many) are enthusiastic about Hillary and the Bernie excitement is coming from outside that circle.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
50. What you call "politically well connected" I would call politically well informed and knowledgeable.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:02 PM
Sep 2015

They know the strengths, weaknesses, dangers and potential issues of each candidate better than most. The fact they choose Hillary tells me they think she can win despite her "scandals" and supposed weakness as a campaigner. More than anything they want a Democrat to win and they will support the best horse in the race and that clearly is Hillary.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
53. I think it will take a major scandal to pry them away from Hillary at this point.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:18 PM
Sep 2015

Large crowds at Sanders rallies wont do it.

Response to frylock (Reply #13)

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
30. Bernie must have burned a lot of bridges
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 01:45 PM
Sep 2015

in the past. Governor Dean must be feeling the burn like the Dems in the Senate do. It seems to me like a thread in the Sanders campaign and in his supporters feeling more liberal and progressive then thou!
Makes me want to puke.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
44. You have to govern a whole country if you want
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 05:50 PM
Sep 2015

to get anything done.
I don't think you can expect a candidate to be a perfect fit for your ideals.
Even I may not support all of Hillary's stands on issues but taken as a whole her positions are what we need in 2016.

Truprogressive85

(900 posts)
33. a moderate supporting a centrist so shocking
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 02:47 PM
Sep 2015

Remember the time when Howard Dean was the Democratic nominee in 2004 - oh wait that never happened

Remember the time when Hillary Clinton was the Democratic nominee in 2008 - opps that never happened either.



Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
36. Dean and Sanders have never gotten along.
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 04:19 PM
Sep 2015

That is very evident from the little bit of contemporary Vermont politics that I've studied.

Howard Dean announced this months ago.

Remember, though, Sanders has already stated that should Hillary win the Dem primary, he will endorse Hillary's nomination.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
39. Dean announced his support in December, before any candidates had even committed..
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 04:30 PM
Sep 2015

shit, I'm sure most of these endorsements committed to Hillary on 6/7/2008.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
51. Maybe he'll stand in for her in the debates...
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 08:05 PM
Sep 2015

...since Hillary is afraid of them.
If she's afraid to debate her own party, she's the wrong pres to negotiate with Putin.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
59. m$nbc editorializes the so called news
Thu Sep 17, 2015, 11:58 PM
Sep 2015

dean didn't "snub" Bernie. He's a Democrat who is free to give his support to anyone he likes, and he chose Hillary. fine.

and every time I see the fucking word insurgent candidacy i am going to speak out. And insurgency suggest that the person, the insurgent, does not belong there and is usurping power not rightfully his. This is absolutely an affront to Bernie, his supporters, and democracy itself to suggest that anybody other than the anointed one is an insurgent candidate.

but this is the new corporate m$nbc, which is why i turned them OFF

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
63. Hillary actually has a history with Howard
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 01:43 AM
Sep 2015

We did a rally for Howard at Bergamot Station in Los Angeles (Featuring the Red Hot Chili Peppers) and Hillary had volunteered to open for Howard and fire up the crowd at her fundraiser a couple of days earlier. I was in the green room with her for some time, we actually were having a group discussion with Tom Harkin about how far things had descended since Gore did not assume his rightful presidency. Wonk heaven, dudes. The Chili Peppers came in , and she briefly greeted them. She gave a great speech, the crowd loved her, and Flea announced that was smitten with her. ("She's got pretty eyes&quot Classic.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
68. I have no doubt he owes her some political favors.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:40 AM
Sep 2015

That seems to be how she has so much support from within the Party.



 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
70. I voted for Dean but difft times. I'm not with him on this one.
Fri Sep 18, 2015, 11:54 AM
Sep 2015

I'm for Bernie but if he doesn't make it the fact that Dean might be in a Clinton admin would make me even happier voting for Clinton.

Since Clinton is somewhat hawkish for my taste and Dean opposed the Iraq war maybe he would help tone down her imperialistic tendencies in foreign policy.

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