2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHoward Dean to campaign for Hillary Clinton
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Dean endorsed Clinton in December, snubbing Sanders, who is currently mounting an insurgent presidential bid similar to one Dean ran 11 years ago. And Dean appears to be stepping up his work for the former secretary of states campaign as the threat from Sanders becomes more real.
In late August, Dean traveled to New Hampshire to campaign for Clinton, Clinton herself will speak at the New Hampshire Democratic Partys convention, along with Sanders and other candidates.
While Dean and Sanders have often been compared, and share much in common, the two have never had a particularly warm relationship, according to people who know them both in Vermont. Sanders served as Vermonts only representative in Congress at the same time Dean served as the states governor, but Dean was more moderate as a governor than as a presidential candidate and the two had different politics, personal styles and constituencies.
In his 1997 book Outside in the House, Sanders called Dean a moderate-to-conservative Democrat, which might as well be a four letter word for Sanders. When Sanders ran for reelection to Congress as a independent in 1996, most of the Democratic Party, including President Bill Clinton, tacitly supported Sanders over his Democratic challenger, Jack Long. To the best of my knowledge, Governor Dean is the only major Democrat to come out for [Long], Sanders noted at the time.
The former governors presidential bid made him a liberal icon not unlike Sanders, so hes a valuable surrogate for Clinton as he can vouch for her progressivism and defend her from the left. And his star power makes him a desirable guest for party events.
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leveymg
(36,418 posts)He's been actively campaigning and apologizing for her for months and months.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Two very different animals.. imo.
I'm with Howard and Hillary.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)YabaDabaNoDinoNo
(460 posts)Too bad I can't get it back
Oh well his choice
My choice he is now dead to me.
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)I've always supported the Doc. He's always been able to take the heat and will be a powerful advocate for Hillary.
Senator Tankerbell
(316 posts)"I still want to be the candidate for guys with Confederate flags in their pickup trucks." - Howard Dean
azmom
(5,208 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Fellow Vermonter dumping him for Hillary. Ouch.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I'm sure everyone at Sanders' HQ is just stunned at this development.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Why would a former Gov of VT not support a long time Senator from VT??
Maybe Howard knows something the rest of us don't.
frylock
(34,825 posts)I hope someone can get to the bottom of that.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Thanks for confirming that.
frylock
(34,825 posts)as an independent myself, I don't give a shit about your uniforms or loyalty oaths.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)imho.
frylock
(34,825 posts)you go on ahead and worry about that jersey color, and we'll continue to discuss the issues.
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)then they are in big trouble.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Independents and the unaffiliated make up the largest bloc of voters, and they don't give two shits about the color of the jersey the candidate may be sporting.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)ciao.
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riversedge
(70,246 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)frist!
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Dean's great and he was a better DNC chair than anyone since (and better candidate than anyone else at the time) but not following him down this road. Disappointing to see him backing 3rd way candidate.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Good grief, nearly every major Democrat has endorsed Hillary and not a single one has endorsed Bernie. Doesn't that raise a red flag??
frylock
(34,825 posts)You really need to step outside of your DCBubble, Bob. Nobody is shocked that the establishment is backing the establishment candidate. This isn't earth-shattering news, and quite frankly it isn't going to influence very many people outside of the establishment. Do you think the kids care that Dean is backing Hillary?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)I've lived in 6 different states in different parts of country and in Asia.
From my life experiences I can tell Bernie is not a good national candidate. His key support will be limited to a few northern "white" states. Very risky for the general.
frylock
(34,825 posts)and we won't have to worry about the concerns of people here that never had any intention of voting for him in the first place, right? Or is there some serious concern about Hillary's chances to beat him, and the bullshit posts about his inability to connect with PoC, how he's a gun nut, linking him to "communist dicatators", and that weird piece he wrote about rape fantasies continue apace?
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)DU floats along on rainbow gossamer internet cloud bubbles. The real world hardly ever intrudes here.
Number23
(24,544 posts)And when it does, certain quarters howl and scream so loudly it sure as hell doesn't stay around for long.
frylock
(34,825 posts)are actually very enthusiastic about voting for Sen Sanders. How many people do you interact with on a daily basis in The Real World, and what's their level of enthusiasm for Hillary v7.2.1?
treestar
(82,383 posts)that would make his establishment.
Very few of my politically well connected friends (and there are many) are enthusiastic about Hillary and the Bernie excitement is coming from outside that circle.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)They know the strengths, weaknesses, dangers and potential issues of each candidate better than most. The fact they choose Hillary tells me they think she can win despite her "scandals" and supposed weakness as a campaigner. More than anything they want a Democrat to win and they will support the best horse in the race and that clearly is Hillary.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)If someone else gets enough momentum.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Large crowds at Sanders rallies wont do it.
SonderWoman
(1,169 posts)nichomachus
(12,754 posts)For bucking the DNC in 2003
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)oasis
(49,393 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Response to frylock (Reply #13)
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frylock
(34,825 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Ashdric
(29 posts)I like him.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)in the past. Governor Dean must be feeling the burn like the Dems in the Senate do. It seems to me like a thread in the Sanders campaign and in his supporters feeling more liberal and progressive then thou!
Makes me want to puke.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Yarp!
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)bunnies
(15,859 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)to get anything done.
I don't think you can expect a candidate to be a perfect fit for your ideals.
Even I may not support all of Hillary's stands on issues but taken as a whole her positions are what we need in 2016.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Remember the time when Howard Dean was the Democratic nominee in 2004 - oh wait that never happened
Remember the time when Hillary Clinton was the Democratic nominee in 2008 - opps that never happened either.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)That is very evident from the little bit of contemporary Vermont politics that I've studied.
Howard Dean announced this months ago.
Remember, though, Sanders has already stated that should Hillary win the Dem primary, he will endorse Hillary's nomination.
frylock
(34,825 posts)shit, I'm sure most of these endorsements committed to Hillary on 6/7/2008.
olddots
(10,237 posts)MSNBC .
riversedge
(70,246 posts)ellisonz
(27,711 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)...since Hillary is afraid of them.
If she's afraid to debate her own party, she's the wrong pres to negotiate with Putin.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)dean didn't "snub" Bernie. He's a Democrat who is free to give his support to anyone he likes, and he chose Hillary. fine.
and every time I see the fucking word insurgent candidacy i am going to speak out. And insurgency suggest that the person, the insurgent, does not belong there and is usurping power not rightfully his. This is absolutely an affront to Bernie, his supporters, and democracy itself to suggest that anybody other than the anointed one is an insurgent candidate.
but this is the new corporate m$nbc, which is why i turned them OFF
senz
(11,945 posts)It's like he doesn't stand for anything anymore.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Capn Sunshine
(14,378 posts)We did a rally for Howard at Bergamot Station in Los Angeles (Featuring the Red Hot Chili Peppers) and Hillary had volunteered to open for Howard and fire up the crowd at her fundraiser a couple of days earlier. I was in the green room with her for some time, we actually were having a group discussion with Tom Harkin about how far things had descended since Gore did not assume his rightful presidency. Wonk heaven, dudes. The Chili Peppers came in , and she briefly greeted them. She gave a great speech, the crowd loved her, and Flea announced that was smitten with her. ("She's got pretty eyes" Classic.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)That seems to be how she has so much support from within the Party.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Also has a lot of well respected connections.
hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)I'm for Bernie but if he doesn't make it the fact that Dean might be in a Clinton admin would make me even happier voting for Clinton.
Since Clinton is somewhat hawkish for my taste and Dean opposed the Iraq war maybe he would help tone down her imperialistic tendencies in foreign policy.