The hype!

[boston bean]

Hillary Clinton Supporters dot com sure has a lot of people talking, and gaining steam and becoming more popular by the hour, and it's a good thing.

Want to support Hillary, have some fun with friends? Check it out!

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/

It is a website in support of electing Hillary Clinton the next president of the United States. So, if you see an article, pic, cartoon, gif there that is critical of another candidate or their respective supporters, it's to be expected , and it's not the end of the world, know what I mean?? We see that kind of stuff all over the internet!

The site will even consider membership of those good democrats who just want a nice place to hang that is well moderated to keep the riff raff out, as long as there is no rabid Hillary hate.

So, check it out if you want.

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/

[SwampG8r]

1. I thought linking to hate sites was against tos nm

[boston bean]

2. Obviously it's not a hate site, and it's been linked to umpteen times here....

[SwampG8r]

4. I went there so try to sell its not a hate site elsewhere

It's a site where attacks on duers are coordinated and celebrate
The splc would take one look at the anti semitic content and agree

[boston bean]

5. LOL.

Why a site supporting Hillary Clinton upsets you so, is beyond anything I can explain.

[SwampG8r]

26. The support.for.Clinton bothers me not

The fact it is from closeted anti Semites more.so

[boston bean]

30. yeah, right... you might want to remove yourself from this website if you think

anything said there was any different than you can read here.

[SwampG8r]

35. Having read both i

Find the comparison lacking in truthiness

[boston bean]

38. Then you haven't paid enough attention. Since it is a make or break for you

I suggest you do some research.

[SwampG8r]

42. I would rather read stormfront

At least they don't play coy about their intentions

[boston bean]

43. Well, if you think that screenshot represents something you would read on stormfront

then you really ought to re-think posting here. Cause the same types of arguments have been made here. I don't happen to agree with them, but they are accepted.

I think just recently about Debbie Wasserman Schultz and I'll tell you one thing, it wasn't coming from Hillary supporters.

[SwampG8r]

46. Yes it is coming from her supporters

And it's vile

[boston bean]

49. And the similar posts here are coming from????

Again, go read the DWS posts regarding the Iran deal and linking her up with AIPAC.

[SwampG8r]

52. You are not acting In good faith

With your responses

[boston bean]

55. I am acting in good faith. nt

[darkangel218]

58. Attempted damage control on their part.

And it failed miserably lol!

[leftofcool]

80. Uh no. We want you to read it and link to it.

[AgingAmerican]

123. The site was scrubbed

The racist and hate mongering OPs were removed. You didn't want people to read it. You guys got caught with your pants around your ankles.

[boston bean]

234. Not one post was removed. but you can say that all you want, I suppose.

Not one word to be believed.

[AgingAmerican]

238. lol

nt

[MindfulOne]

527. BULL. SHIT.

You all removed the entire Political Pub board from public view.

I can't believe my eyes, what's been written there is beneath the Conservative Cave and Free Republic, they are actually less vile and mean and bully-like.

[cui bono]

142. Now that you cleaned it up.

What a joke. How stupid do you think we are?

There are plenty of screenshots on DU now that show the hate and filth you guys post over there. Just because you now have a secret area for it or have deleted it doesn't change the facts. Facts are funny things, you know? I'm not sure you understand how they work.

If it's about supporting Hillary, why is the issues forum not even open? Does she not have any thoughts about that? Don't you guys? The forums that allowed the spewing of vile and hating on DUers was open for a while and pretty full of shit.

Damage control is exactly what this is.

[beam me up scottie]

129. Why are you excusing the anti-Semitism at the website you're advertising here?

Pointing the finger at everyone else isn't an excuse for bigotry.

[boston bean]

235. Umm, EXACTLY what bigotry am I excusing?

[AgingAmerican]

239. My guess would be

The anti-Semitic posts and threads that were removed from that site? Just a shot in the dark...

[boston bean]

241. Nothing was removed and you can see every single post. It's there.

My advice to anyone reading this chain, is to take it with a grain of salt. None of it is true.

You all had all the time in the world to get your screenshots. Many have been posted. cut and paste the ones you are saying were scrubbed. If they were that vile, I am sure the "evidence" would be all anyone would see.

[AgingAmerican]

244. lol

You just keep telling yourself that! Nothing like good ol' honesty, eh?

[boston bean]

257. I'll keep telling it like it is. You got proof of what you are saying?

If you saw something posted from stormfront, or someone using anti semitic slurs, that would have been the first thing archived for further use.

What you got is someone linking to an article that I'm gonna say most people here on DU agree with, and then makes a comment just like I have read here on DU a thousand times. Most recently about DWS and her being bought by AIPAC during the Iran deal discussions.

This here is a red herring. Designed to batter people that have been battered off this web site.

But it fits in perfectly with MO.

People ought to deal. Not every corner of the internet is going to bow down to Bernie.

[AgingAmerican]

270. FAIL

Too late, damage done. You guys got caught.

[boston bean]

272. Caught posting openly on a web site. WOOOOOOOOOOO

I'm scared, what will my daddy do to me? Will I get spanked?

For real, this is just ridiculous.

[AgingAmerican]

276. Hillary's supporters got caught

Redhanded, DU names shining brightly. No amount of worming and squirming in denial makes it not so.

[beam me up scottie]

289. I just checked and the screenshot I posted is still there.

Maybe only Bernie supporters can see it?

[Autumn]

517. Is that the link to MIRT members off site stalking a Bernie supporters to get a hide to send her

on a vacation? Some of the sane ones whining about some of their friends being "silenced"?

[beam me up scottie]

518. I have a link that proves they're conspiring to MIRT DUers:

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=556

[Autumn]

519. And that's allowed? Maybe some Bernie supporters need to start a site and

do that? Bet the Bernie supporters would be booted from MIRT if they did something like that and maybe even DU. It's disgusting what those MIRT members did to cali.

[beam me up scottie]

520. I don't know, it looks pretty bad.

I take my duties seriously, I would never target someone because of who they support.

[sibelian]

461. Well, either you think things posted on websites have some significance or you don't, boston.

You're well known here.

You've been attributing whatever level of significance necessary to establish offense all over THIS site since the year dot.

You wouldn't want us to think you're a hypocrite, would you?

[sheshe2]

529. The same article was posted on DU first.

Where was all your outrage then? It only had 40 responses. No one seemed to give a damn it was POSTED on DU! You are over the top.

Israel/Palestine Group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134113241#top

[beam me up scottie]

286. Yep, that's the stuff.

[sheshe2]

531. Yes....

And it was posted on DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND first!!!

You had no issue with it here. You never were outraged with it on DU. You never commented on it at DU. A Hillary site posts it. BOOOM, OUTRAGE!

[beam me up scottie]

532. It was posted here WITHOUT the accusations that he was being funded by Israel.

Because on THE DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND disgusting anti-Semitic comments like that are against the TOS.

But keep defending bigotry she, I hear it's all the rage amongst a certain faction of DUers.


As for how I feel you can read about it here and here.

[beam me up scottie]

287. I already posted it once but if you insist:

[boston bean]

292. I see a misguided and somewhat insulting post that I don't agree with.

Which is similar to what I see here all the time on DU.

Have you read the posts on DU about DWS?

[beam me up scottie]

294. So it's not anti-Semitic to accuse a Jewish American of being funded by Israel?

Explain.

[boston bean]

299. I said what I thought it was. What more is there to explain.

But can you explain why that type of argument is made here on DU all the time.

Like I've told you before and what you have read on the "other" site is my opinion. I see a bunch of hypocrites trying to take a very poorly worded post, a misguided and I do feel insulting post and label an entire site as anti semitic. Yet, this site gets a free pass.

Carry on if you must, but your posts/accusations will not make me afraid to post there, and neither should they concern anyone else who joined or would like to join.

[beam me up scottie]

301. It's always anti-Semitism, imo. Why don't you explain why it's not?

And there were plenty of other anti-Semitic posts that were scrubbed, including the ones mentioning Stormfront.

Others saw them and that's all on you guys.

You're being more careful now and that's good.

Keep it bigotry free and I won't post any more screenshots of the evidence.

[boston bean]

311. Post the screen shots of stormfront postings, please.

If those ever existed I'm sure they would have been archived by you lickity split instead of the weak sauced screenshots you got there trying to smear an entire website of being anti semitic.

Now, I will tell you again, as to how I feel about the post. I didn't agree with it. Do I think it was anti semitic, or a post that was poorly worded and misguided and untrue and insulting, yes I believe the latter. It did make me a tad uncomfortable cause it could be construed in that way, but I do not think the poster is an anti-semite.

The same article was posted here. The same type of comments are made here. Most Bernie supporters do not agree with Bernie regarding Israel. DWS was recently accused of being paid off by APAIC.

This is not an issue that I like to discuss. In fact I loathe it. Because the arguments are so heated and to be honest, there probably is no righteous side. However, I support Israel. That is my personal feeling. I'm not going further into it, because I don't like to discuss it.

[beam me up scottie]

314. They mysteriously disappeared before you reopened your site.

Funny how that happened.

And since you once again refused to explain how THAT post at YOUR website is not anti-Semitic I think we're done here.

Everyone who saw it agrees it is indeed anti-Semitic - except for the few desperate HC supporters who are still trying to defend it here.

[boston bean]

322. You are a very reasonable person. nt

[beam me up scottie]

327. I'm being totally serious here.

You are welcome to your website, enjoy it. I like posting on other sites too.

But if you keep using yours to post bigotry and openly target other DUers you will probably never hear the end of it here.

That's not a threat it's a prediction.

[boston bean]

392. I was giving you the gift of my being totally serious. nt

[polly7]

450. I saw that Stormfront crap too.

Should have grabbed it.

[beam me up scottie]

452. One of Hillary's supporters here linked to Stormfront:

Might even be the same person since they were sent on vacation for it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=486255

[polly7]

453. Oddly enough, that post is very much like what I saw over at the new site.

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Something about half of Stormfront members support Sanders.

Found it!

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]


eta: Wasn't Bernie Sanders' fathers' family mostly wiped out in the Holocaust? How ugly to even associate him with Stormfront and Nazis. Do these people have no shame at all?

[beam me up scottie]

473. HALF OF THE MEMBERS AT STORMFRONT SUPPORT BERNIE SANDERS???

Comparing Bernie to a member of the Nazi Party is despicable.

And if members of Stormfront are posting here they're not the ones supporting the Jewish candidate.

[sibelian]

459. Hmmmm.... Now THAT takes me back....

Didn't you make the absolute OPPOSITE argument about Discussionist when Bain got nastied by someone over there? As I recall there was a substantial movement here on DU to get Discussionist shut down.

I'm sure you did, didn't you?

Yes. You did.

[Gothmog]

308. Do you really believe this?

Your claims are wrong

[beam me up scottie]

312. That accusing Bernie of being funded by Israel is anti-Semitic? Why yes I do.

And so do the Jewish DUers who thanked me for addressing it in my 2nd op on the subject this year:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251624166


Please explain to them in that thread why they're wrong.

Tia.

[polly7]

466. I think it's horrible and beyond desperate. nt.

[beam me up scottie]

471. They never bothered to refute the facts in my op about anti-Semitism.

I wonder why?

[polly7]

472. They can't,

or, they really just can't be bothered because those accusations are fine with them. I'm thinking, the latter.

[beam me up scottie]

474. Probably both.

Imo, they can't refute it because it's a well known anti-Semitic slur and the posters who use it don't care because Bernie deserves it.

[polly7]

475. Yes, and well said ......... nt.

[Scootaloo]

79. They support Clinton over there? Hard to tell, they seem obsessed with Sanders and his supporters

They look nothing so much as like the anti-Clinton sites Republicans were running in the late 90's.

[Gothmog]

307. There are a ton of Jews on that site

Why do you think that it is a haven for anti-semites? I am Jewish and I saw nothing wrong with this site

[MoveIt]

45. Coy

Do you support the organized alert-stalking of Cali ?

[leftofcool]

57. Do you support the alert-stalking of Bravenak in the AA forum?

[darkangel218]

65. Do you have any proof Brevenak was alert-stalked??

We have proof Cali was ( go read the posts about that in the hilaryclinton forum). I saw screen shots of members encouraging and promising each other they would get Cali banned.

[leftofcool]

81. Actually, yes we do and stalked by snail mail as well.

[darkangel218]

86. There is no proof that snail mail was sent by someone from DU. So no, you don't.

[R B Garr]

97. I have to laugh after you whined that someone has your phone number

and you felt so violated.

LOL, and your whining that you are being followed on threads and harassed. But if it happens to anyone else, here you are saying, no, it doesn't happen....couldn't be anyone from DU.

[darkangel218]

99. So I guess you laughed at Brevanak's mail too?

You like laughing at people having their private information exposed??
The difference is I KNEW who the person was, as opposed to an anonymous snail mail, coming from a so called "Bernie supporter". So again, you have 0 proof.

[Kali]

119. bullshit

you PM'd your number to someone on the internet that you did not know at all, completely unsolicited and then claimed THEY invaded your privacy. what a total lie.

[R B Garr]

138. No I laugh at your hypocrisy. bravenak is not a hypocrite.

DU'ers are only evil if they are stalking and harassing YOU. We've all seen how very upset you get.

[zappaman]

100. Lol!

Ain't it the truth!

[darkangel218]

102. No its not.

I knew who shared my phone number, and it was a DUer. We don't know who sent Brevanak's mail.

[zappaman]

104. Yeah it is

Cheers!

[darkangel218]

107. No it isn't.

There is a difference between a known, admitted DUer, who "offered" my phone number to others, and an anonymous snail mail pretending to be from someone on DU.

But keep making shit up.

[zappaman]

110. If you say so, kiddo.

By the way, are you on ANOTHER timeout on DI?

Do you just switch back and forth between the 2 sites and post on one while on a timeout on the other?

Too funny!

[darkangel218]

113. I'm not your "kiddo', and take your personal attacks elsewhere.

The OP has a perfect venue for what you're doing. I'm sure they will welcome you with open arms, if they haven't yet.

Off to ignore you go.

[Go Vols]

117. results

On Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:09 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

If you say so, kiddo.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=624590

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Unwarranted personal attack

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:17 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The meanest thing here is 'kiddo.' I saw darkangel218 say much worse things, which resulted, as noted by the poster, in numerous time-outs from DU. Snarky, but no personal attack, IMHO.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This is ironic - a non-attacking reply to someone who joined the sub-thread with "Do you have any proof Brevenak was alert-stalked?" is now alerted on, in what I suspect is an attempt at alert-stalking.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[MrMickeysMom]

151. Again, jury results… Hey, but don't give up!

It's what makes you happy in life that counts!

On Sat Sep 26, 2015, 02:15 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

No it isn't.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=624581

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"but keep making shit up" = calling poster a liar



You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Sep 26, 2015, 02:24 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh come on now, this is too much shit for me to figure it all out as to who is done something wrong if any have...leave it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The whole sub-thread is not particularly substantive, but this post is not worse than many others.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Amazing that this response wouldn't call out zappaman for far worse insult hurling, but that's their argument. I wouldn't hide either.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Free speech enthusiast.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Zappaman needs to quit stalking people. The alerter needs to quit alert stalking people. Maybe they should go hang out at the Clinton Cave; it seems more their speed.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[zappaman]

153. 0-7

Someone has a sad.
Agree with the leave!

[MrMickeysMom]

155. Of course, you would agree...

After all, it's what makes you happy in life that counts!

[zappaman]

165. +1!

[zeemike]

149. Jury results.

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"but keep making shit up" = calling poster a liar



You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Sep 26, 2015, 02:24 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh come on now, this is too much shit for me to figure it all out as to who is done something wrong if any have...leave it.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The whole sub-thread is not particularly substantive, but this post is not worse than many others.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Amazing that this response wouldn't call out zappaman for far worse insult hurling, but that's their argument. I wouldn't hide either.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Free speech enthusiast.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Zappaman needs to quit stalking people. The alerter needs to quit alert stalking people. Maybe they should go hang out at the Clinton Cave; it seems more their speed.

[R B Garr]

140. Yes!

[840high]

114. That I always thought was just a

badly thought out juvenile attempt to discredit Sanders.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

133. Some days I'm too busy to read DU. I recall the claim of nasty letters sent in the mail.

But I never saw anything to back that claim. In this toxic environment, I'm afraid you'll need to provide some backing.

[sabrina 1]

528. Post it then, Skinner says there is no alert stalking going on, so is he lying? Is that your claim?

[R B Garr]

83. I have proof of an H here encouraging a poster on this very thread to attack

Hillary supporters. Three are threads in the BS group on how to handle Clinton supporters and I was personally attacked for two fucking days over nothing by one of that thread author's "friends" so there's lots of "proof", as if your question is really serious.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

135. I hate being attacked on Fucking Days. Kind of gets in the way, doesn't it?

[Fawke Em]

167. LOL!!!

[cui bono]

143. I have to also ask, is there proof of that?

I saw bravenak having a major melt down and starting to call Sanders supporters white supremacists among other things. I didn't even see it all, but I saw enough to see that no alert stalking was needed by that point. She brought that on herself and a time out was most definitely the right thing at that time imo.

[darkangel218]

240. Don't hold your breath, they will not answer, because there is no such "proof"

As far as I know. And if there is, I await their answer as well. So far, nothing.

[Armstead]

51. Because it seems equally focused on insulting Sanders and us supporters

Reading it, one would think that everyone who supports Sanders has horns and a tail, and an IQ of 6.

If that's how y'all want to spend your time, feel free, But it is inaccurate to portray it as a nice site whose only real agenda is to support Clinton and provide a friendly hangout for all "real" democrats.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251622937

[boston bean]

56. It's no different than many other sites out on the internet.

With that I would hope you agree?

[Armstead]

63. True. I have no problem with that.

Just not an inaccurate portrayal of it.

I realize some people may feel outnumbered here, but it does offer give-and-take. (I don't like, I'll admit, the alert stalking that goes on here, regardless of which side, but overall people are basically free to express themselves here.)

[Capn Sunshine]

185. Here Here

Those folks feel that they need to commiserate and weave their intricate online plots because DU is over run with Sanders supporters.

I think what may have bothered them most was that many of the most prominent Sanders supporters on DU were also anti-Obama for the past six years, loudly obnoxiously so.

So it's pretty narrow spectrum politics we're dealing with here. Certainly a majority of Sanders supporters still back the President, except here on DU.

BY the way, I was banned there after one post :

You have been permanently banned from this board.

Please contact the Board Administrator for more information.

Reason given for ban: Keep your shit at Democratic Underground. Bye.

A ban has been issued on your username.

[sibelian]

468. It's similarity to other websites is not the subject under discussion.

It's relationship to THIS website is the matter at hand.

[AgingAmerican]

147. It's the anti-semitism

It's a 'two minutes hate' site for Hill supporters.

[shenmue]

436. Slow down

[djean111]

9. Linked to just to show the hate.

Did you draw the short straw or something? Because this is obviously just baiting. Whatever.

[boston bean]

10. I never draw the short straw.

And this is not baiting. I am posting a pro Hillary web site in GDP (the only place it's allowed).

[djean111]

20. From what I saw, it is also pro-hating Bernie and his supporters site.

So I guess you are going for that demographic.

[boston bean]

23. It is a site to support Hillary.

Why does this upset you so?

[djean111]

25. I am not upset. I am greatly amused. More hyperbole! n/t

[boston bean]

32. hyperbole? lol, I too am amused. nt

[cui bono]

253. Your feigned innocence is very unbecoming.

But glad I got to see your true colors.

I find it interesting that a board created a month ago only opened up the "Issues" forum after it was pointed out that you hadn't been able to manage to do the one or two clicks it took to open it when the site went up. But the smut and vile and hate forums were wide open and filled with nastiness.

Pretty much clears up why the board exists. Glad to see you try to claim it's to support Hillary though since it's only going to hurt her.

[boston bean]

263. I'm not feigning anything. I have been completely open.

You can find anything you like interesting.

Deal with it that some posters here will post at another site and will criticize Bernie and his supporters..

[cui bono]

282. That's not what 'feigned innocence' means.

It's not about criticizing him or his supporters. You can do that right here. It's about the vile hatred that you guys spew over there. At least the others have enough sense not to come and try to rationalize it. Well most of them anyway, there are a few others who are trying to pretend it's not just a cesspool of hatred directed at DUers, Bernie and Bernie supporters.

You can deny whatever you like, but you have been caught with your pants down and we have all seen your and others' true colors, and they ain't pretty.

[boston bean]

339. No, I could not tell bernie supporters what I think of some of them here.

I don't spew vile hatred any where. I speak my truth, sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, but I won't stop and I'm not ashamed.

[cui bono]

390. Yeah, we can see you are not ashamed.

I'm not uncomfortable in the least. You sure spin things in an odd way.

The site you are promoting is full of vile hatred and you are a participant of it. Granted, the post I saw of yours is no where near as bad as some I've seen of others, including a couple MIRT members, but you are promoting the vile hatred with this OP.

[boston bean]

417. You think I'm odd. I got it.

Anything else?

[polly7]

163. But ....... but ........

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Did you hide your Bernie cheer, or is it relegated to the 'Grumble'? lmao. I don't see one for Clinton.

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]


But ..... if you behave, you're more than welcome! to join up, as long as there is no Hillary hate.

"The site will even consider membership of those good democrats who just want a nice place to hang that is well moderated to keep the riff raff out, as long as there is no rabid Hillary hate."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251623863

[AgingAmerican]

184. You caught her in the middle of the two minutes hate

They must have forgotten to scrub that particular thread.

[polly7]

192. And here's a big FU!

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Doesn't discriminate at all ............. just BS'ers - oh wait, I'm wrong, 'DU BS'ers'.

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

So much hate, so little time.

[AgingAmerican]

208. It was supposed to stay top secret!

Oops, they blew it.

[polly7]

211. LOL. They were too proud of all of this kind of hate crap to delete any of it,

even knowing how many had already seen it ....... until it really started blowing up. It was a hate party! (Now all hidden, of course - but probably even worse).

Shame that so many got screenshots first.

[boston bean]

426. You seem to be an expert at this. LOL

[polly7]

451. At what? nt.

[Waiting For Everyman]

223. Oh, that's a gem!

Nice. They'd never get away with that over here.

So I get it now -- having another site is just another way of getting around the rules. That's what the issue has been here, that the rules shouldn't apply to them.

[polly7]

225. +1000 I think you've nailed it!

I doubt any of this wouldn't result in a hide here, yet they're proud they've goaded and alert stalked Cali into a three month ban. And others have posted they've been alerted on multiple times in a single day. The hypocrisy and cowardice runs deep, imo.

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[beam me up scottie]

258. Well that's classy. At least it's not anti-Semitic.

[boston bean]

380. I loved that post! Posted it right there in the open.

From my perspective had good reason to as well.

Sorry, it bothers you so.

[polly7]

384. I'm just wondering, if you love it so much, why didn't you post it here to DU BS supporters?

After all ........ they're here.

[boston bean]

388. You can't figure that out?

[polly7]

391. No, I really can't.

You've stated how brave you are for posting it right out in the open and over and over how proud you are of the site - why not share that bravery and pride right here, where the posters you're having fun with can respond? I don't understand at all.

[boston bean]

396. Where did I say I was brave for posting that pic?

I did post it in the open because that is how I felt at the time. And I felt no shame in doing so.

I feel no shame in posting to this very minute.

Lots of people have already signed up and the place is hopping.

I know that bothers people here, seems the ones it bothers the most participate in a walled off private facebook invite only page to discuss DU and DUers. But it is what it is I guess.

[polly7]

407. You didn't answer my question.

I don't care how many people love your site, or who you think it bothers for whatever reason.

I asked why you (and others who've done the same) don't post direct attacks on 'BS supporters' here, where people can answer to you.

You claimed you were brave by stating you loved that pic and posted it right out in the open.

Getting called for supper ........... take your time.

[boston bean]

410. Where did I claim I was brave for posting the pic. Point to it directly, please.. you know the word

"brave".

Have a nice supper.

[polly7]

446. Alright, I misspoke. You 'implied'

you were brave for posting those lame, juvenile, mean and nasty pictures 'right out in the open'!

You know the word disingenuous?

Thanks, my supper was great!

Again ........ my question: Why didn't you post your hate-pics here, where those you were hating on could reply to them?

[boston bean]

425. That was a fun one too. posted right there in the open for you all to read.

LOL!

[polly7]

480. Again ......... 'right out in the open.'

So proud of a 6th-grade attempt using an internet picture to express your hate - why have you never posted it here, where the people you're hoping to offend could reply?

[sibelian]

484. Yeah. Doesn't look to me like it's got a lot to do with Clinton, really.

But then, I'm increasingly convinced that there isn't really very much among certain Clinton supporters that has much to do with Clinton.

[djean111]

7. Me too.

So, no thanks.

[treestar]

50. Then this forum qualifies as a hate site

Geez how insulting to people actually the subject of hatred.

[uppityperson]

462. Here's the link to TOS, the word "site" shows up twice, "hate" 3 times

"hate" is "hate speech" twice, "America-haters" once.

I see nothing about linking to hate sites.

[polly7]

470. I've had plenty of OP's hidden within minutes and even gotten 2 hides for

posting them from sites that weren't approved here. (But that I'd seen used over and over already). Strange how a site that does spew hate for members here personally and a man running for President is immune to this. Also, someone else asked if she was paying the Admins here for her ad, but yet, no reply. Interesting.

[beam me up scottie]

3. Look at the great work being done there too!

[boston bean]

6. oooohhhhhh..... wow!

[MoveIt]

69. so we'll put you down as having no substantive reply ?

So again I ask, do you support the organized alert-stalking of cali that is *clearly* demonstrated by George II in that thread?

[boston bean]

71. That proves alert stalking?

I hope you got more than that?

[MoveIt]

74. really? so you are just going to deny that's what that is?

the brazenness of you all is amazing to behold.

[boston bean]

75. Well, it's a standard response, is it not?

[morningfog]

78. They try to play the victim while being the problem.

[polly7]

166. ALWAYS,

ALWAYS, ALWAYS!

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[m-lekktor]

13. it's a great place to gather together and coordinate alert stalking on prolific Bernie supporters!

[beam me up scottie]

18. And accuse Bernie of being funded by Israel!

Because it's against the TOS here.

And who wouldn't want to be associated with an anti-Semitic website?

[boston bean]

21. Exactly where is your evidence of this?

[beam me up scottie]

22. :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=623926

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=559

[boston bean]

28. Have you ever ventured into the I/P forum here on this site?

You would read a hell of a lot worse. Actually most Bernie supporters do not support Sanders issues regarding Israel.

I actually agree with Sanders. But if you have a problem with what was written there and are so aghast, I wonder why you still post here.

When was the last time you actually read and I/P issue where Israel and AIPAC wasn't dragged through the mud, I think your principles might kick in and force you off this site.

[beam me up scottie]

39. Dog Whistles- an Anti-Semitism Primer (a timely repost)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026814897

I think you're the one who needs to some reading.

[boston bean]

47. Was I talking about you in particular. You and I seem to have a similar view

regarding this, where we differ, is that you take a principled stand on one web site to harangue posters who don't support who you do, and give a pass to others.

That same type of stuff is posted here, over and over and over and over and over.

Go through some of the DWS threads concerning the Iran deal. take note of names. then get back to me with your conclusions.

[beam me up scottie]

121. So you're still arguing that what was posted at your site wasn't anti-Semitic?

[boston bean]

228. You mean the site I post at?

[beam me up scottie]

305. This one, yes:

I knew there had to be a connect between Israel & Sanders. Deductive reasoning told me that's the only thing that would motivate a 73 yr old man to step out from his quiet role for 25 yrs & take on someone like Hillary Clinton.
Bet Bernie's got a nice retirement nest egg waiting for him & it's not in a bank in Vt.
Chime in here please. I know some of US/Israel ties but much I also do not understand.
Thanks
Hillhouse

[MoveIt]

17. Alert Stalking Puma Central

It's all nasty fucking puma trolls all weekend long.

[morningfog]

77. Fuck that site and their nasty fuckin posters.

[840high]

115. ....x10+

[nc4bo]

177. Jury results......just a friendly (no, not sarcastic) heads up morningfog...

On Sat Sep 26, 2015, 02:49 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Fuck that site and their nasty fuckin posters.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=624390

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Because you don't agree with a DU ER, because they vent elsewhere is no reason to be so vitriolic. Dial it down

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Sep 26, 2015, 02:59 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: everyone here is an adult. I will not censor because someone used words that another did not like. Take it to MIRT. If the admins feel the poster needs to "dial it down" I'm sure they will take care of it. Until then, work on controlling your alert finger and not the entire forum.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It's a bit over the top. No need to be nasty
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Unnecessarily vulgar.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: There are nastier comments in this thread!
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Ugh, really??!

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[morningfog]

427. No surprise on the alert or the results. It's a stalker hate site.

Obsessed with DU. No different than the others out there.

[azurnoir]

126. Yep says much doesn't it

there's an old saying that could apply to some of the more onerous claims here "he who first smelt it most likely dealt it"

[beam me up scottie]

127. I still can't get over it. That and the fact that they're proud of their behaviour.

[azurnoir]

128. well ya know how it is

but I'm not too sure about proud, you know

ps I edited the post you're replying to added something

[beam me up scottie]

132. Methinks the posters doth protest too much.

It's hard to dismiss those screen shots but they sure are trying.

I'm sure there are others that will soon make the rounds here.

[boston bean]

237. What behavior would that be?

Posting on a site, that you could read and take screenshots of.

Better than the secret anti DU facebook group you belong to?

Shall I post some screenshots of that membership?

[beam me up scottie]

247. You mean the "secret" atheist fb group we talk about all the time on DU?

This one?:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/123024617


Sure!


Post the screen shots.

[boston bean]

250. You are beyond reproach.... LOL

[beam me up scottie]

254. Where are the screen shots you have?

I guarantee you won't find any bigotry in our group.

Too bad you can't say the same.

[polly7]

255. Then post the damn incriminating screenshots you were going on about! nt.

[boston bean]

259. You could just as easily, no Polly?

[polly7]

262. I didn't make the fucking claim, you did. nt.

[boston bean]

264. Boy you are so angry... In due time, Polly, in due time.

But if it isn't quick enough for you, why don't you post them?

[polly7]

267. Not angry ....... just seriously sick of your accusations and smears against

good people here. As usual, nothing changes with you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022583041

[boston bean]

271. That is rich. Advice is to be patient grasshopper! nt

[polly7]

273. I have some advice for you, unfortunately it's not post-able. nt.

[boston bean]

274. Well, I'm not the one stopping you. So, don't blame me. nt

[polly7]

277. Who's blaming you, and why are you always a victim? nt.

[boston bean]

279. I thought you were concerned you couldn't post something you really wanted to.

Wanted to be sure you knew it wasn't because of little old me.

[polly7]

281. No, it didn't even occur to me you'd take that to be blaming little old you. nt.

[beam me up scottie]

290. They're trying to goad you into a hide, polly.

George did it to me this morning.

[polly7]

296. I imagine every post I've made since I got back has been alerted on a dozen times.

Ol' George is on a mission, ain't he!? But I give him a bit of credit, at least he admitted he enjoyed doing it on that site.

Pathetic.

[beam me up scottie]

298. Yep, it's the hypocrisy.

For months we heard about the poor persecuted HC supporters who were alert stalked off the site and look at what they're doing over there.

[haikugal]

310. Stinky bait....everywhere!

[boston bean]

302. Well, glad we've cleared that up. nt

[polly7]

306. There was nothing to clear up except for the persecution you made up in your head to

be victimized over. Didn't happen. Nothing to clear up, on my end.

[boston bean]

315. Your claiming I'm being persecuted and am my victimization is is persecuting you somehow..

How we got here, I'm not sure.

But you can rest assured, I don't really care.

[polly7]

318. You make no sense.

Try much, much harder ... mmmkay?

[boston bean]

374. Made perfect sense to me. nt

[polly7]

379. I'm sure it did.

[JNelson6563]

526. I participate in the DU AA facebook group, I have seen no bigotry.

I do not appreciate anyone implying they have proof of bad behavior there and providing nothing. Post your proof or recant your assertion.

Julie

[cui bono]

275. You post as if you are winning this argument.

Odd.

[boston bean]

283. I'm posting as I see fit. Odd you seem to think I'm losing something.

I am losing nothing.

I don't care who knows that I post on that site. I like the site. Will continue to post there, and will continue to post here when I want.

That it causes this much angst is a bit bewildering, cause it really just isn't a big deal.

But keep on, if you must.

[cui bono]

291. You've been asked to back up your threat. You backed down.

That's only winning in the Charlie Sheen sense of the word.

[boston bean]

313. I didn't make any threat? What threat are you talking about?

I'm beginning to understand that this really bothers some people, that others are posting on another site.

Really, it's not a big deal.

[polly7]

316. You think people here are so stupid.

This threat:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=625408

This kind of behaviour says a whole lot more about you than you realize.

[boston bean]

319. Offering to post some screenshots is a threat.

Well, then hell threats have been given and acted upon all through this thread.

My behavior is fine. And I don't care what you or anyone else think it says.

I've been open and fair.

[polly7]

323. Post them!

'Shall I' ........... hiding behind little words doesn't make your intent any less threatening. Just passive-aggressive horseshit.

Now, post them.

[boston bean]

326. You don't get to order me around Polly, even though it appears you think you have the right.

As I told you before, "patience grasshopper". If and when I feel like posting anything on this web site, I will as long as I have the ability.

Don't like it? Ok, whatever. But know for sure in your heart, I don't follow your barking orders at me.

[polly7]

329. In other words, you can't post them, because you're not that brave.

You can't even back up your own threat.

I don't follow your barking orders either, as I've told you over the years a dozen times.

[beam me up scottie]

332. That or there are no screen shots.

I think BB would make a lousy poker player.

[polly7]

333. LOL.

I think so too.

[boston bean]

334. Remember Polly I'm always the persecuted victim, how could I ever be brave enough?

I made no threat, and I didn't bark orders at you.

As a matter of fact, I have been very kind in my responses to you. No swear words, no orders, no projection of dirty motives. Nothing of the sort, have I done to you.

[polly7]

336. Remember Polly I'm always the persecuted victim, how could I ever be brave enough?

True, that. Yes, I would agree that you are ..... and that you couldn't be. nt.

[beam me up scottie]

320. Why would it bother us? Many of us post on other sites too.

Maybe it's the hypocrisy and bigotry going on at yours that's the problem.

[polly7]

324. Bazingo!! Those, and the cowardice. imho. nt.

[boston bean]

331. Maybe it's the fact that there is no control of others over there that exists here.

There was a reason the site was created, and you know why. You joined one for the very same reasons.

Second, many insults are posted here aimed directly at person that are now posting there.

In fact, it was persons who were so upset others were posting some place else that went and made screenshots to bring back here.

That is stalkerish.

Really, what the hell does it matter to anyone?

[beam me up scottie]

338. If you use your site to openly taunt and target other DUers it matters to them.

And no one here EVER posted such horrible things about HC supporters.

Enjoy your site, use it to blow off steam and stump for your candidate.

Or use it like you have been.

Just don't expect others not to retaliate when they're being openly targeted there if you do.

[boston bean]

343. So, what's being posted on the closed facebook site

that was set up to talk about DU and DUers because of an unfair system here?

I'll enjoy any site I please. I don't need anyone's permission.

Your complaint is the one I participate in was OPEN where you could go grab screenshots and bring them back here to harass others?

I'm posting in the open there as myself, and I am a member here. One thing you can't accuse me of is hiding behind some completely walled off site using a different user name to shield myself.

[beam me up scottie]

345. You are posting in a walled off portion of that site.

I had a good look at the Grumble and the stuff I read in there makes the rest of it look like Mr. Rogers Neighborhood.

Like I said, keep doing what you're doing, no one's trying to stop you.

Just don't expect DUers to stop calling you out on it when you defend it here.

[polly7]

351. But they had great fun learning the trick to hide posts from public view!

It did look kinda cool, even out of the 'Grumble', but I'm not sure why you'd have to hide anything, no matter how vile, on a site you say you're completely entitled to run fellow posters from another site down in. If you're proud, be proud!

[boston bean]

355. You are too funny. You are so concerned with Grumble but your evidence - screenshots

weren't in Grumble, were they?

It is a link that is still there for everyone to read and make their own conclusions.

Yeah, we talk about this place, so don't you at you private facebook page.... I love the smell of hypocrisy.

Really, it's not a big deal. Get.over.it, especially since you have been doing the same for at least over a year now.

[beam me up scottie]

359. We don't post anti-Semitic garbage where I hang out.

We hate bigotry actually, it's one of the reasons why we all get along so well, just like on DU.

[boston bean]

361. Well, who would know? I mean we can't see what's posted there?

You all could be scrubbing evidence as we speak.

[beam me up scottie]

366. If you can find any evidence of bigotry from our members please post it.

I've already provided proof of the anti-Semitism at your website.

If you don't want people to see it take it down or wall it off.

[boston bean]

368. You folks probably scrubbed all the incriminating stuff off by now.

[polly7]

373. LOL!!!!!

omg ....... stop it.

[beam me up scottie]

375. LOL! Keep trying, this is hilarious. Is your anti-Semitic thread still there?

[boston bean]

377. The post in question is there for everyone to read. I suggest they do so.

[beam me up scottie]

383. They have and everyone is disgusted with it. Didn't you read our posts?

[boston bean]

386. Well, your summation isn't gospel. But yeah I write my posts, and in doing so am reading them as I

type them out.

[polly7]

449. Her summation is spot on. nt.

[polly7]

448. Takes a lot of nerve, after what you've posted about people here and who they support

to 'suggest' they do anything. I suggest you stop trying to claim some sort of moral superiority (your butts have all been shown).

[AgingAmerican]

444. Robotically defending the indefensible

Sometimes it's like debating a See n Say

[boston bean]

360. I'll defend it. It is a fine site. I am happy to post there, in the open.

Registered users could read anything there, and you make it seem like it's some sort of dirty thing to do.

When you are doing almost the exact same thing. Except the private facebook page to discuss DU and DUers is invite only, and completely un-viewable to anyone who isn't invited.

Again, if grumble was so bad and everything else was Mr. Rogers Neighborhood, why are the screenshots from a portion of the site that is open to the public?

[beam me up scottie]

381. Bully for you. Keep defending the anti-Semitism there. That's on you.

[boston bean]

382. I'll do what I like. Thanks for the permission. nt

[polly7]

454. Why all the hidden stuff - if you're so proud to post 'in the open'?

I saw you and others given lessons by the site admin on how to hide posts even in forums that weren't hidden, like your most popular one - that 'Grumble' thing.

You can't claim on one hand to be proudly transparent while scurrying around to hide anything and everything that's been exposed and shows you all for who you really are.

[polly7]

357. But I saw where you were taught how to hide posts from public view?

[boston bean]

363. LOL, that site has really had an impact on some.

[polly7]

372. On you, obviously.

I just saw the link a few days ago here and spent about half an hour exploring. It was definitely eye-opening.

But like I say, if you're that proud of it, why all the hiding?

[boston bean]

421. for me, yeah, in a good way.

For others.....

I suppose it's for the same reason those two closed off private facebook groups are. You know of them right?

[polly7]

447. No, I don't know of them.

But you seem to .......... right?

Keep your smarmy accusations to yourself unless you're sure of something.

Tell me all about them, if you know so much.

[cui bono]

387. The threat of posting screenshots from the atheist FB group.

Go for it!

No, it's not others posting on another site that bothers anyone. In fact, even your hatred doesn't really bother me, seeing it exposed over there is great though. Now we all know how everyone who participates over there really is when they aren't on their "DU enforced" behavior. It's sad really. Must be hard to live with so much hate and bitterness. I guess commiserating over it helps.

Really, it is a big deal. It shows who you really are and let me tell you, it's ugly. If it weren't you wouldn't be posting this damage control OP now that you guys have scrubbed and privatized the disgusting posts.

I'm done with this. For now. I have important things to do and while this is all fun and amusing as hell, my real life beckons... keep on spinning though, it is pathetically entertaining.

[boston bean]

389. Glad to have provided you some weekend entertainment.

Really, I've been entertained too.

The angst over that site is over the top.

It's funny as hell.

[stevenleser]

8. I'm sure there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth in response to this OP

In fact I see there are six replies. I can't see any of them.

That pretty much guarantees some sort of silly crying is going on in response to your OP.

[m-lekktor]

24. another ignore list post from you. I am sure most could care less that they are on it.

I never understood people who incessantly talk about their ignore list. it must be an ego thing.

[SwampG8r]

29. I had no idea I was ignored

Too busy ignoring defenders of this nasty site
You report and we will decide steve

[cherokeeprogressive]

54. Being on the Fox Contributor's ignore list is the pinnacle of achievement. n!t

[zappaman]

73. Welcome to DU!

No, he sometimes appears on Fox and like others who appear on Fox, say oh Bernie Sanders, he does not get paid for his appearances representing the Democratic viewpoint.

Enjoy your stay!

[artislife]

89. Except it really isn't a Democratic viewpoint, is it?

More like their token "left" viewpoint.

He should be happy that people are screen shotting his words on these websites and taking it out to the rest of the web.

[stevenleser]

27. Ha, and one of them responded to me as this post was bumped to the top of

My "my posts".

Sorry, can't read what you wrote.

[DanTex]

40. Yup. You're not missing much, as you can imagine.

Basically, the same people who want to keep DU covered with anti-Hillary smears also want the rest of the internet to bow to their wishes.

[oasis]

170. I think there's an "ism" word for that. Gotta be careful though.

[stevenleser]

189. Exactly, I can see your post and Seaglass and the responses to those but nothing else

And this post of mine keeps getting bumped up.

Must be lots of silly responses that I am missing.

[m-lekktor]

513. what a warped alternate reality you must see on here if the only posts you see are your fellow

Hillary supporters. I find that an odd thing to do for a political commentator who should be observing it all for a more accurate analysis. the people i see you claim to have on ignore have interesting things to say unless you think everyboy with an opinion contrary to your belief sytem is utterly ridiculous and unworthy of your consideration. I am too curious/nosey to have ANYBODY on ignore. I also refuse to alert on anybody.

of course, i am probably on ignore and this post was a waste of time to type out!

[artislife]

87. Malala asks you to spend your talents

on something that actually matters to the world instead having spit ball fights over petty, first world problems. Get a grip, you promote your professional life here and act this way. It is all very Fox and Friends.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

130. Weird. I see your post, but I can't see your face. Maybe it's because I never watch Fox News.

[seaglass]

139. Yeah, pretty much everyone who didn't even blink over Zorra's "race nagging" comments is all over

BB about a comment that she did not make on the site she is inviting people to.

[zappaman]

144. Shhhh!

You're not supposed to point that out.

[mcar]

198. Wish I could rec this

[NCTraveler]

11. Created an account there last night.

Like the layout. DU was really my first time on a discussion forum. Never went anywhere else except to read a story or something until recently. I have been checking places out but I guess it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks. I don't like the user ability of anywhere I go. I find this to be a very user friendly format at DU. I thought it was good at the forum you are linking to but I seem to be locked out of many areas of the site. Still, looks good.

[Warren DeMontague]

205. Hey! What a coincidence- I just did the same thing about a half hour ago.

...what?

[NCTraveler]

233. Very cool.

I guess I'll see you there if I decide to post there. Have a great evening.

[TM99]

12. Great site.

I love the anti-Semitism --

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=559

And the racism --

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=782

Y'all are slaves now that have escaped the slaveholders at DU?

That's right. Keep promoting your little site. It is very important for all to see what is going on there with a small group of embittered Clinton supporters from DU.

Job well done!

[boston bean]

14. God, I hope people read those links for themselves! Thanks for posting.

[Gothmog]

321. I read them and I agree that the claims being made about these threads are wrong

[MoveIt]

19. cue the parade of trolls from that site acting coy

"please cite a link to the posts which we already scrubbed"

[stevenleser]

31. So, I'm Jewish, what in the first link is supposed to jump out at me as anti-Semitic?

Or will you just come out and admit it is made up.

[R B Garr]

37. THANK YOU. It's just a desperate ploy to even scores about the BLM activists.

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[beam me up scottie]

145. It's blatant ANTI-SEMITISM, stop defending it.

Diane Rehm accused Bernie of the same thing when she interviewed him for NPR and later apologized for it.


Abe Foxman of ADL has this to say:

“Diane Rehm’s questions were inappropriate, insensitive questioning without any minimal journalistic checking of claims. Such a statement is not only factually incorrect, but has no place in such an interview.

It is deeply troubling to think that a well-respected media outlet like NPR would apparently rely on unsubstantiated information from the Internet in its preparation for a guest.

“Ms. Rehm’s description and follow-up question about whether other Senators have dual citizenship with Israel play into classic anti-Semitic charges of dual loyalty. Such charges have been leveled for centuries and have been a catalyst for scapegoating and vilifying Jews.

Senator Sanders deserves a public apology, as do NPR listeners.”

...

Her mistake was to not research it before she even stated it as fact. She shouldn’t have asked the question, period. Had she researched it, she wouldn’t have raised it at all. Because her question challenges not only his loyalty, but also Jewish loyalties to this country.”

You do know who Abe Foxman is, right?

[R B Garr]

152. This is just payback for the BLM activisists and way to discredit them to make

Bernie supporters all over the Net feel better. This is the EXACT kind of criticism that Bernie supporters need to take responsibility for. They scour the Net for any reason to attack people. So keep it up, because you're only showing your desperation..

[beam me up scottie]

154. Accusing a Jewish American Senator of being funded by Israel is anti-Semitic.

I cited evidence for my claim now explain how it's not.

[R B Garr]

157. Explain how you can still post here after the racism shown the Black Lives Matter

activists after they interrupted BS events. because that's what this is really about. How can you post on this website still? I mean, you have...standards.

[beam me up scottie]

158. So you can't defend the anti-Semitism there? Good to know.

[R B Garr]

160. So you can't explain why African Americans are responsible for coddling Bernie?

Good to know. that's how we know this is just payback for BS being interrupted. How DARE they interrupt Bernie??!!

[beam me up scottie]

161. This thread is advertising a website with open anti-Semitism, stop trying to claim the high road.

[R B Garr]

162. By your standards, this website has posts about racism, so it should be denounced.

You should denounce it right now.

[beam me up scottie]

164. Bigotry is against the TOS at DU, not so with the website in the op.

[R B Garr]

168. Bernie Sanders refuses to apologize to black people (article)

http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-wont-apologize-to-black-lives-matter-protesters/

How DARE they interrupt Bernie. There will be hell to pay!!!

[beam me up scottie]

169. What does your incorrect quotation of the title have to do with anti-Semitism?

[AgingAmerican]

183. The big difference is

When a post here has the title, 'He's a fucking Jew', or OPs have titles like, 'I hate Bernie Sanders', it gets hidden or the author gets banned. On that site it is simply made private so it can continue out of public view.

Most of the names in that thread are the same as Hillary supporters here! Coincidence?

[R B Garr]

349. No, this just shows the pure desperation of Bernie supporters to even some

scores. How dare people question Bernie, whether through BLM or on another website. How DARE they.

Such phony outrage, too.

[AgingAmerican]

367. "By their works ye shall know them"

nt

[R B Garr]

378. And it is the Bernie supporters who have made themselves known all

over the web with these harassing tactics, and they are known through that.

[AgingAmerican]

385. Nope

False Equivalency Fail. Again, you must agree with what was scrubbed, your being so bent out of shape over it.

Face it. Hillary's DU supporters showed us what is at the core of their opposition to Bernie, and it ain't his policies OR his supporters.

[R B Garr]

414. Yes, it's exactly like I said. Face it, yourself. There is a reputatoin out there

and it's about Bernie supporters harassing people. Look at all this sheer silliness because a Bernie supporter hunted some people down on the internet. What's next...? Sending personal hate mail to someone's mailbox... ohh. Yeah, that's probably next.

[AgingAmerican]

424. False equivalence again.

Rumors about alleged Sanders supporters from Hillary supporters on the internet are meaningless.

[R B Garr]

455. So you are admitting that Sanders' supporters alone will deem what is worthy,

and anyone who DARES to question them or Sanders will be subjected to harassment. Just look at what you're doing. It's exactly like the other reports of internet harassment. Some are so unhinged they hunt down internet users on other sites and hunt them down in their homes to harass them. It's very real and it's not a false equivalency.

[R B Garr]

364. Unless you denounce the racist threads towards the BLM activisits, you

have no credibility to talk.

[AgingAmerican]

376. False equivalency FAIL

There is no equivalent from Sanders DU supporters, sorry.

I have to assume you have no problems with what was scrubbed from that Hillary website, given your fervent denial/defense of same.

You have yourself a good evening.

[R B Garr]

395. The facts are that Bernie fans are now well-known for harassing people

on the web. Look at the desperate outrage over people posting somewhere else where they can't be harmed by the Bern squads. It's ridiculous.

[AgingAmerican]

400. Her supporters got caught

Not just any supporters either. DU supporters. Not random twitter handles. It was so incriminating that they had to scrub it. Now they are trying to do damage control. It's too late, the cat is already out of the bag.

[R B Garr]

457. No, HIS supporters got caught obsessing and hunting them down

when they were simply posting on another internet website. No one is under any obligation to adore Bernie Sanders. No one. It is not mandatory to worship him and bow down to him and his supporters. The reports of BS fans doing this are all over the internet.

[AgingAmerican]

463. Meow!

Cat's out of the bag. No amount of twisting, worming and squirming changes any of it.

"But no, it was Sanders supporters who did it!"
"We didn't get caught, we got stalked!"

LOL

[R B Garr]

465. Exactly, the BS supporters are confirming their reputation as being

internet harassers and beyond. Apparently some of them are so unhinged that they want to harass people in their homes. Very scary obsessions.

Look at the hunting that this endeavor took. People were hunted down by a BS supporter on another website. No one is obligated to worship Bernie., The internet does not belong to Bernie supporters.

[AgingAmerican]

469. Yeah, sure that's what happened

You just keep telling yourself that.

As far as harassing people at home, did you read that 'letter'? It was cartoonish at best, and signed, 'A Sanders supporter.' Obviously fake. I would take it with a grain of salt at best.

Meow! Cat's out of the bag! Busted!

[R B Garr]

477. There is no cat to be gotten out of the bag. The internet is not the domain of BS

supporters. To suggest otherwise is just delusional. And that letter read a lot like posts here, except it's stepped up a bit to reflect the more the stepped up harassment outside the public arena. There is nothing cartoonish about that. The fact that you would say that means you have no credibility on the matter.

[AgingAmerican]

479. Good luck with that line

"We got caught, but it's your fault for catching us" - that is your position. Silly, isn't it?

That so-called 'letter' was obviously a fake ploy, sent by a Hillary supporter trying to come off sounding like a Sanders supporter, and failing miserably IMHO. I just don't buy it.

[R B Garr]

483. LMAO, got "caught" ..posting on the internet? Look at the supremacy and entitlement

that drips from that. Looks like BS supporters place themselves into the Big Daddy position on the internet. LOL, Daddy knows best what can or can't be posted on the internet.

And that's quite a theory you have about the letter. Looks like some thought was put into that theory. Sort of like the type of thought that it would take for someone to hunt down other posters on the internet.

[beam me up scottie]

401. There are racist threads here? Has anyone alerted on them?

[boston bean]

411. I think calling a black person a race baiter qualifies, and I alerted on them myself

and guess what, they stood. They weren't hidden.

I also think the term race nagging was walking the line... but it stood.

[AgingAmerican]

413. Apparently DU and the internet

are clogged with Sanders supporters spewing racist hatred against BLM. When they made this site, they were just leveling the playing field! Who'd have known!

[beam me up scottie]

416. Hey we're all white supremacists, right? I think that's what they called us anyway.

[SMC22307]

441. Get it straight... "useless white supremacist liberals."

And it was all an effort to "educate" us, see?

What's hilarious is when they toss out Bravenak's "warning," as if that means anything at all in this world. Bernie's up in the polls and the vast majority of Americans don't give a flying fuck about Twitter, let alone Black Twitter, so yeah, warn away...

[AgingAmerican]

188. So, catching Hillary's DU supporters red handed

...spewing racist and anti-Semitic rhetoric about Sanders and his supporters is just a ploy to discredit them! Who would have known?

Those making excuses for this behavior clearly support it, IMHO.

[AgingAmerican]

186. Hillary supporters got caught with their pants down

And now are desperately scrambling to do damage control.

[hifiguy]

217. Way too late for that.

Ass has been hanging out over there for quite awhile and DUers have capped a LOT of it. That poisonous crap is not going to disappear however hard they try to scrub it.

[R B Garr]

335. No, this is exactly like the criticism of Bernie supporters.

which is that you scour the internet for ways to harass people, especially those that don't worship Bernie.

This is the M.O. of the Bernie people. This is just a phony payback for BLM interrupting Sanders. Obviously you didn't even read what that post was about, or why it was there, so this is all bullshit.

[AgingAmerican]

476. The OP is telling everyone to go there

lol. We didn't get caught with our pants down, we got STALKED!!
Reminds me of the husband who gets caught in an affair, then tries to blame his wife for catching him.

[R B Garr]

478. At least you are admitting you have no idea what you're talking about.

A BS supporter hunted them down and posted his findings all over this website. No wonder you're confused.

[AgingAmerican]

481. Yeah Her supporters are the victims

That is just pathetic, IMHO.

[R B Garr]

485. Well...I'm a Clinton supporter, and I didn't even know where they were.

They were chased off and I didn't know where they were....until a Bernie supporter hunted them down and posted about it here. Luckily for me, Boston popped back in to give a proper link and invite.

[AgingAmerican]

486. lol

Right, they are 'victims'. That is just pathetic.

[R B Garr]

487. Yet the reality and the facts atre that a BS supporter hunted them down,

so the facts and sequence of events speak for themselves. First they were chased off, and then they were hunted down. It was in someone's mind to initiate a search for them on the internet. How would one even go about starting such a search...? Any ideas?

[AgingAmerican]

488. lol

That site has been linked to by Hillary supporters dozens of times in the past couple months.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110716741

Your faux outrage is duly noted.

[R B Garr]

489. Thanks for admitting your comments about "getting caught" posting on the internet

were bullshit. That phoniness is duly noted.

[AgingAmerican]

490. The site has been linked to dozens of times by Hillary supporters

Over the last two months. So much for your 'hunted' theory lol. They got caught (through their own advertising) spewing racism and it has now blown up in their faces.

Keep digging.

[R B Garr]

491. I have never seen the links, but thanks to an obsessed Bernie supporter,, it's

now on front street. That hardly means anyone got "caught", So some obsessed person hunted them down and linked to their site.

Until you denounce the racists remarks made about the BLM activists, this whole charade is just a way to even some scores about Bernie being interrupted by the BLM activists. that's all this has ever been is a way to shift talking points after the Sanders campaign was ripped about this, and rightly so.

[polly7]

493. Oh screw that!

Bill had the site in his sig line long before anyone went over to see and decided it was ugly enough to people here that they should take a screenshot - just to counter some of the 'poor us, we're being persecuted, alert-stalked and the admins do nothing!" bullshit.

It's a web-site that's been advertised here over and over. People take articles and images from other websites here a hundred times a day. What makes this one so much more special?? They wanted people to see it, we did! Tough shit.

They opened the barn door, we just walked in and smelled the filth.

[R B Garr]

494. LOL @ your "concern"

[polly7]

496. LOL at pretty much everything you tried to spin here.

But here's a little sympathy music for you .......... and all the poor dears you're trying so hard to make look like little victims.







Yes, I am 'concerned' for anyone anywhere who's being treated like garbage. Too bad.

[R B Garr]

497. You sound angry again. I doubt you are LOL'ing.

What's LOL is that people can speak their minds without being harangued and there is nothing you can do about it.

Now THAT'S LOL.

[polly7]

498. Don't you worry your little mind,

I laughed.

Are you saying people can't speak their minds without being harangued? I didn't say it. So I'm not sure what's funny about it.


Who from here is haranguing them on their site??? NO-ONE. So you can toss that little pity ploy.

And why the *ck should people here who've been called the ugliest things imaginable not have the right to be angry - this is all coming from people we've posted with for years (and yes, I was called out over there too by someone I'd never even posted to and in fact, had verbally supported). They're full of absolute hate for many here and the site itself - according to their own posts. No-one is questioning them on that at their hate-site, let alone 'haranguing' them.

People have a right here to be angry over it just like they do when Beck or Hannity or Coulter or anyone else talks shit about those they care about - what makes it any different? This thread started with an invitation (a chance to rub people's noses in it and run back to gloat) that turned out to be completely mocking posters who were rightfully sickened at what they saw. Of course they have a right to be pissed and talk about it all they want.

If you don't like it - tough.

[R B Garr]

525. You make no sense. None of this even concerns you.

Yet you are very "concerned." Yeah, right...

[R B Garr]

495. This is what this is all about. Just own it.

Sanders won't apologize to Black Lives Matter protesters:
http://truthinmedia.com/bernie-sanders-wont-apologize-to-black-lives-matter-protesters/

Someone DARED to interrupt Bernie, and this has been a desperate scramble to take away their talking points to delegitimize them.

[polly7]

499. LOL!

'Just own it'??

Wtf are you yammering about?

YOU own it.

Carry on ..............

[beam me up scottie]

500. Another one trying to goad you into a hide, polly.

They think because it worked with cali it'll work on the rest of us too.

[polly7]

501. This one ALWAYS does, bmus.

I just have been watching him/her dog AA for a day and a half and it pissed me off. Thought AA might need a bit of a break, lol.

But thank you.

I had this ready for the next post but am tired of that person and said what I needed to say, so here - RBGarr:

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

That awful haranguing of the people posting vile, ugly crap about fellow DU'ers but too chicken to post it here has just got to have been breaking your heart.

[beam me up scottie]

502. Nah, the bigots at the Cave love to hate me too.

That's how you know you're pissing off all the right people.

[polly7]

504. Those people are just disgusting.

You know you're on the right side of pretty much ... everything ... when you're on their s*t list.

Congrats!

[beam me up scottie]

505. Did you see the thread they started about my anti-Semitism op?

Apparently they're outraged by it and think that this atheist needs to find Jesus:

BMUS blows the whistle from the perspective of a deaf dog!

Postby sancho » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:36 pm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?c ... pid=624166

(Sancho's sermon for Sunday morning)

Here, she links an article about anti-semitism as "dog whistles"; code language that is meant to only be heard by a select group. Even if the extreme examples in the article were accepted; what does that have to do with posts on political blogs? Here's what I see...

BERNIE IS THE MASTER OF THE DOG WHISLE!! BMUS is a deaf dog!!

I"ve pointed out many times, that Bernie often seeds the language in his speeches and responses that are "music to the ears" of gun nuts, anti-immigrants, the white male privileged, the MI complex, and YES, the Israel-can-do-no-wrongers. The NRA, Liberty University faithful, and Univision viewers hear it! Sometimes it's a phrase, sometimes it's inclusion or exclusion of logical phrases, and sometimes it's embedded in Bernie's action history. This is the reason that Bernie attracts a subset of Archie Bunkers, religious right, and white male supporters. That's why many immigrants and minority don't hear the message they want to hear.

I'm not going to repeat here all the OPs on DU that drew the ire of BMUS and the pack-of-dogs attacks, but it's not really that hard to find. One reason I thought of it was the MTP interview that Bernie gave a few weeks ago where he clearly used "dog whistle" language over gun control. If BMUS wants to debate her accusations of anti-semitism; she's going to have to screenshot this post because I'm not going to be in threads on GDP anytime soon. It's simply not hard to find example after example in Bernie's language - and it's consistent with his "behind closed doors" votes and manipulations. Hillary on Ellen, MTP, FTN, etc. simply doesn't use dog whistle language!! She tries to explain complex issues and is honest about her thinking. Despite the "email CT" and screaming of the BSers - Hillary's language has less "dog whistles" than Bernie by a dog-track mile!

To connect most dog whistling today (common in political speeches) with anti-semitism (which does occur, but is localized in most American cultural) as "pervasive" is paranoid or delusional. That's especially true if you see a boogie man in EVERY comment and post if BMUS disagrees with it!! If you're not nuts, then you must be one of the most conniving people on the internet. Of course, it's possible to be both.

You may not agree with some of us ex-DUers, or Hillary supporters, or bloggers on other sites. The thing that is particularly egregious in this case is that BMUS needs to look at John 8.7! Take my word for it, just because something is in the New Testament doesn't mean is must be anti-Semitic! No dog whistle here - just straight shooting language that even an evangelical gun nut would understand. Luke 4.23!!

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Re: BMUS blows the whistle from the perspective of a deaf dog!

Postby Thinkingabout » Sun Sep 27, 2015 12:54 pm

Huummm, guess we have been corrected and trained in the BMUS school, NOT. Maybe they will hire her at Liberty University.



Good post Sancho.

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=846



They are seriously unhinged and obsessed with me.

[beam me up scottie]

507. He posted an op calling Bernie a gun nut and I disagreed with him.

Of course that was a long time ago, you'd think any rational person would have gotten over it by now.

They really need to get a life, honestly. I'm sure burning me in effigy is fun and all but there's more to life than hating bmus.

[polly7]

508. It sounds unhinged!

But I've seen a lot of that here ........ those that can't score one of their 'points' because of people like you disproving them take it very personally - they just can't believe they're not the smartest in the room and it really gets them angry.

No worries, you've got a 100 times more here who adore you (and I'm not being mushy, it's just what I've noticed people say!).

* 'em, eh?!

[beam me up scottie]

509. You should see the disturbing pms I've gotten from posters there.

It's a good thing they don't know who I am in real life.

The same folks who defended bravenak are coming after me, can you say "hypocrites"?

Thanks for the kind words, polly, I feel the same way about you.

[polly7]

510. Oh yes, I can say hypocrites very easily.

That's exactly what they are. I'm sorry for the pm's ..... you did nothing to deserve that.

[beam me up scottie]

511. They've been digging through my posts trying to find personal info on me.

The facebook thing is all they've got so far and that's protected.

Thanks again for sticking up for me, polly. I know a little about how you have been attacked here in the past and you didn't deserve it either.

[polly7]

512. Wow. Bunch of dirty stalkers!

Last edited Mon Sep 28, 2015, 04:35 PM - Edit history (1)

They must have pitiful lives ....... or they're psychopaths.

I'm glad you're being careful. I wouldn't put anything past a single one of them - from there, from the cave, or anywhere there are such hate-filled, irrational people. I was stalked online and in real life (by the same person) for a long, long time and it almost drove me crazy. Protect yourself well!

And, you're welcome ..... thanks for sticking up for me, too! I don't vote there, but my friends and those I admire and respect aren't decided by lines on a map, here or in real life.

[hifiguy]

514. Whoever posted that is SERIOUSLY mentally ill.

More bats in that belfry than in the Jornada Bat Cave.

[beam me up scottie]

516. Telling an evil atheist to find God, reminds me of Phil Robertson.

I always consider the source.

[beam me up scottie]

523. Not just them, many others are using that site to launch attacks on DUers.

It's exactly like the Cave except I recognize the names.

[Autumn]

524. I've been gone for a few days and this thread is the first I have been reading tonight

since I got home so I haven't seen the others yet just the stalking and silencing of cali.

[R B Garr]

534. LMAO, this from someone with 7,425 posts in 90 days.

[Warren DeMontague]

202. The anti-bernie BLM stuff stopped being effective the second hillary said "im going to keep talking"

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-scolds-blacklivesmatter-hecklers-im-going-to-keep-talking/

[TM99]

59. If you choose to ignore it, fine.

But the post stands. It says that Sanders is getting money from Israel in order to follow their agenda. The Zionist agenda slur is a very old one.

Try again Steve.

[stevenleser]

203. Hey, I'm glad that thanks to Bernie you have all become much more sensitive to

Antisemitism and criticism against Israel. I've always thought it was over the top here even as I have stopped defending them because I thought their treatment of the Palestinians was unacceptable.

But please, calling what you linked to antisemitism is completely disengenuois

[TM99]

214. Saying that Sanders will collect

a check from Israel is anti-Semitism Steve.

It is disingenuous to pretend that it is not.

[JI7]

445. yeah, if one is going to stop posting in a place with anti semetic posts it would include DU

[R B Garr]

33. I still have the posts bookmarked from H's *here encouraging you to attack people

on this very website. She was glad you were back posting so you could attack Clinton supporters. Attacking people was fine with you and with her, so why act so self-righteous. .

*H does not sand for Hillary in this instance.

[stevenleser]

34. And no racism at second link either. You just made that up too. Nt

[TM99]

61. We know you are not a PoC Steve

so really I am not surprised you missed this one.

Suggesting in a hyperbolic fashion that a few Clinton supporters who are upset about DU are now equivalent to slaves escaping their slave masters is racist. It diminishes the actual reality of slavery. It paints them as victims when they are not.

[R B Garr]

64. Laughable because you were encouraged to attack Clinton supporters by an H here,

and that was okay with you, so it's obviously a strategy. Now that the strategy is being exposed and discussed on another site without the opportunity to hide posts, you are making yourselves out to be victims of some gossip on another message board,. The hypocrisy is laughable.

[artislife]

91. I finally figured that out

by reading his posts in the Afa group.

I don't know, but I am glad the Latino group is quiet here or there would be an infiltration there too.

[stevenleser]

191. Actually I am a POC, I have Latino and African ancestors and self identify as mixed

That I am an ethnic mix should be pretty obvious by how I look.

[TM99]

212. Well I have argued for some time

that PoC are hardly monolithic in their beliefs or actions.

I don't know what you look like so it wasn't obvious to me. I know you are on Fox but I don't watch TV.

[msanthrope]

530. Um....that was a racial identity fail on your part. Google him. nt

[AgingAmerican]

175. 2 minutes hate

I remember Obama supporters doing the same thing to Hillary in 08.

[Gothmog]

317. Do you really think that this is anti-Semitic?

I am Jewish and I strongly disagree with your analysis.

[SMC22307]

438. #BlackLivesMatter has a whopping 9 topics...

narrowly beating the Environment with its measly two. Surely that can't be... does the site have an optics problem? Meanwhile, I imagine The Bad, the Ugly & the Uglier is jumpin', but they've got that on lock-down.

It's truly hilarious that they've taken their ball and run to another website. Good riddance.

[djean111]

15. Evidently someone thinks "I'm sure there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth in response to this

OP".
bwhahahaha! Nope! Just merriment and eye-rolling. I think the gnashing teeth are all at that site.
Damn, was there a "Hyperbole for Hillary Supporters" tutorial?

Wailing, gnashing - really? We have read the crap. There is not one teensy little surprise over there. I do think it is nice when like-minded people entertain themselves over in a corner, though. Very considerate of them!

[boston bean]

16. I presume what you describe would look very familiar to you. nt

[DanTex]

36. Looks like a great site, but no need to surrender DU to a bunch of loony Hillary haters.

I get that the vitriol and craziness here might cause people to want to take a break and discuss things civilly among Democrats rather than seeing the same right-wing talking points over and over. But there are still a lot of great DUers here, and even some of the ones repeating the anti-Hillary nonsense are just getting caught up in the moment.

Besides, in a few months Hillary will seal the nomination, and then the noise will end.

[boston bean]

41. There is no surrendering happening Dan.

[DanTex]

44. Glad to hear that. And my post wasn't directed at you, sorry if it came out that way.

[AgingAmerican]

227. Scrubbing hate and vitriol from the site = surrender

nt

[boston bean]

230. really, I can read the thread (not hate nor vitriol) you call scrubbed, you can't? nt

[ismnotwasm]

88. Oh Man

[artislife]

92. Yawn

[MohRokTah]

180. I like GD:P becoming just an extension of the Sanders forum.

I don't know about you, but whenever I feel the Bern, I see a doctor to get an antibiotic prescription.

[Babel_17]

48. I heard an anti-semitc dog-whistle over there

"I knew there had to be a connect between Israel & Sanders. Deductive reasoning told me that's the only thing that would motivate a 73 yr old man to step out from his quiet role for 25 yrs & take on someone like Hillary Clinton.
Bet Bernie's got a nice retirement nest egg waiting for him & its not in a bank in Vt.
Chime in here please. I know some of US/Israel ties but much I also do not understand."

That's from the OP of a thread. Though several in that thread claim don't hear any dog-whistle.

"Try as I might, I don't see ANYTHING anti-semitic in this entire thread."

"I don't either"

"i could not find it"

Your thoughts?

[boston bean]

53. My response to this, is I've seen the same thing posted here.

And yes, just read I/P, read the DWS threads regarding the Iran deal and accusing her of being in the big money pocket of AIPAC.

Do I agree with those types of POV's, no I do not. I actually support Bernies view. MANY here and there, DO NOT.

Many would probably be haranguing me for my support of Israel as some sort bigoted stance against the Palestinians.

My thoughts on this are my own, I suppose, and others are theirs. This is one that will not be resolved on DU or any message board. But to pretend everyone and everything regarding this issue doesn't have hot things being said by both sides, is ridiculous.

And that's about as far as I will go discussing this online. I don't like to discuss it and will usually stay out of the fray. But I do have my own opinions, which I have now just shared with you.

[Babel_17]

60. Thanks

I don't want to attempt to read your mind but I'll guess you noticed the most raisable bit.

"Bet Bernie's got a nice retirement nest egg waiting for him & its not in a bank in Vt."

Yeah, he'll sell out the USA so he can go collect his bag of gold in Israel.

I'm not a major South Park aficionado but they are famous for a meme that covers this.

[boston bean]

62. And I've read here DWS is being paid off by AIPAC.

So, it's all over the place. There isn't much you or I can do about it. It will not be solved by people punching digits into a keyboard.

What may be considered interesting is that it is condemned by some in one place and given a pass on another. Especially since, from being a member of this web site for over 10 years, I recognize that many people who support Bernie do not support his views on Israel.

[Babel_17]

66. That thread is much more prominent and the viewpoint more extreme

Non-Jews take AIPAC money and are called out for supposedly being in their pocket.

Senator Sanders is a candidate for the Democratic Party's nomination for President and there's a prominent OP in the site you linked to arguably suggesting he'll run off to Israel to collect his payoff for doing Israel's bidding.

There's a certain level of hyperbole, when reached, that takes things to a whole other level.

I'll end it there as you've been fair and open in your responses. I'm just making it very clear as to why I have an objection to that site. I get why some HRC supporters feel a need for an off DU refuge.

Have a great weekend, cheers.

[NRaleighLiberal]

68. the drama.

I have no issues at all of course with the Hillary website. The reason I feel neither the need or desire to read there is because this is Democratic Underground - all bases are covered. With confidence should be elimination of a need to create an echo chamber. This is where I choose to both read and argue and discuss my own positions. It's worked for me since 2004, and if it can survive this surprisingly nasty primary season, it will continue to work for me as long as it exists.

My single issue - since those of us who support Bernie Sanders (I suspect many of us also support Hillary as well - it is about preference) seem to be considered trolls, I fail to see how anyone on the other site who is on this site's MIRT team can any longer possibly be considered to be objective. The right thing to do is to retire from MIRT; otherwise the mechanism for fairness and objectivity here is gone.

[SidDithers]

76. ...

Sid

[GP6971]

85. I have't gone there

Who is the owner?

[zappaman]

98. You sure do know a lot about how this site works!

Lemme guess...longtime lurker who just decided to join?

Welcome to DU!

[SidDithers]

134. He's dead, Jim...

Again.

Sid

[cyberswede]

84. Well, I would hope, at least, that MIRT members refrain from badmouthing DUers on any site.

In my experience, MIRT has largely been professional, and I would hope that's the case on this term. I plan to sign up again next term, and I'd hate to think MIRT's professionalism and civility might be compromised.

[OKNancy]

93. MIRT members bad-mouth DU members right here on DU

And they are definitely not acting in a professional manner.
I have no problem off site... I do have a problem when they get away with it here.

[mcar]

206. Exactly

MIRT members are members first. They are not required to stop posting as they see fit. They are required to be fair and as objective as possible when evaluating new members in their MIRT role.

I find it odd that some DUers suddenly think MIRT members must be pure and above reproach (as judged by those DUers and only them) both on and off this board. That certainly hasn't been the standard previously.

[Bobbie Jo]

96. Exactly.

Especially when we have the "professionalism" of the Hosts on this board as a measure of this standard.

Absolutely.

I mean if you're going to badmouth DU'ers, it's best to keep it all right here.

[zappaman]

101. "Professionalism of the hosts"!

[Bobbie Jo]

103. Exactly.

[cyberswede]

120. I'm not sure what you're referring to

I'm in Hosts at the moment, and I haven't seen anything "unprofessional."

There have been disagreements on whether some posts meet the criteria for a lock, but that always happens there, and nobody is getting nasty toward other hosts, or anything.

In my post above, I indicated that I hope MIRT members wouldn't badmouth DUers on any site - including this one.

Or are you referring to me, specifically, as badmouthing DUers or being an unprofessional host? (I can't tell if your "you" refers to me).

[haikugal]

342. Consider yourself hung out to dry for no other reason than actually caring.

Don't expect anything resembling clarity.

[cui bono]

303. There's a MIRT member here who posted there that they were alert stalking cali.

And several MIRT members are badmouthing DUers on the other site. So there you go. There are at least 5-6 MIRT members who are not being professional by your standards, and they are posting on the site this OP is about.

[polly7]

309. Yeah ...... why don't they come out and say that stuff here?

I don't get it?

[cui bono]

394. Because Polly, it's very obvious...

this is an alternate reality where they are the victims of alert stalking, haters, etc... I'm surprised it's taking you so long to catch on. There's always two sides to every situation, in this case they get to have both of them.

[polly7]

398. I admit, I can be slow ...

but I think you've nailed it.

And bringing it here is gas-lighting shit to the nth degree.

[upaloopa]

182. Fairness and objectivity here went out the window

when the alert stalking began. The other site was started and populated by DUers put on DU vacation by alert stalkers. That's how you get invited to join, by being run off of DU.
So many pots calling kettles black in this thread.

[NRaleighLiberal]

187. So the Skinner thread in ATA stating there is no alert stalking is just fiction on his part?

I don't buy it - sorry. What I see in the other site is exactly what is seen at the Cave. I thought we were all Democrats - but I guess just because I currently am favoring another candidate, by definition I am a troll. Pretty disgusting - maybe disappointing is a better word.

[stevenleser]

196. Nope, it's not measuring properly. If you look at individual days you are not going to see it

Skinner and EarlG need to pull all the alert and hide stats for the last four months in aggregate and see who is alerting whom and how juries are voting.

That will make it clear.

[NRaleighLiberal]

197. well, you know I am not one to get into scraps - try to be a peacemaker.

And I've never considered anyone lesser or trollish or anything just because of their choice (esp if we are on the same side of issues) - so you can understand my disappointment of what's going on. We have enough polarization and schisms in the world - but, in any event, be well.

[upaloopa]

201. Yes that's right Skinner posted fiction. And my guess is just as many Bernie supporters know that

as Hillary supporters do.

This will play itself out over the next months until one person is nominated. And I can bet you dollars to donuts it won't be Bernie. My only concern is what is going to happen to his supporters who have invested so much vitriol and negativity in to this primary My guess is they will turn on Bernie when he tells you to support Hillary in the general. DU will be supporting Hillary after Super Tuesday and what you say here will be just so much dust in the wind.

[NRaleighLiberal]

209. wow - you are just an incredibly nasty piece of work. Such bitterness, rancor.

[cyberswede]

218. You know, it's actually very easy NOT go get put on vacation.

Claiming that those who are on forced time out are victims is ridiculous (regardless of who they support).

All one has to do NOT to be put on time out is be civil - alert stalking (in the off chance that it really happens) still won't work if the posts themselves are civil. I've been called to jury duty on frivolous alerts dozens of times - and guess what, they don't get hidden.

We have posters here who are nasty, insulting, snarky, and thoroughly unpleasant, and occasionally, they rack up enough hides to get put on vacation. Instead of blaming "alert stalking," maybe they need to look at how they interact with others here.

I'm not particularly nice, and I've had one hidden post in 11 years of membership - and that was for giving shit to a troll. So, those on vacation really have nobody to blame but themselves.

And I'm sure it's easier to post about how great one's candidate is on a site where nobody can disagree, but I honestly wonder what the point is - it's like having a conversation with yourself. I suppose that's why the complaints about other people outweigh the posts about actual issues over there.

Peace.

[haikugal]

330. Good suggestion and reasoning!

[artislife]

82. HONESTLY

Everyone, stop behaving like 14 year olds.

People who support H and don't like it here, go there.
People who support Bernie and don't like H supporters, stay here.

You both are feeding an addiction.

If one side stops, it will stop all together.
I suggest that Bernie supporters just ignore it like ignoring a 3 year old having a tantrum in the grocery store---who belongs to someone else. Shake your head and move to another aisle or 4 away from it and relish in the fact that you don't have to live with it.

To the H supporters, look at your AARP cards and remember your age.

[marym625]

118. +1 except for the AARP thing

I received mine and I cried. You'll get one too, much sooner than you think.

Additionally,not all of us old shits support third way crap. The republican way to move the party so far right it's no liberal. Some of us have been fighting it as long as we could read.

Stick that in your medicinal brownie and eat it

#Bernie2016
#FeelTheBern

[artislife]

122. Yeah...I regretted my dig after I posted

But maybe I should have said their HS diploma...something to mark that they are no longer in middle school.

But all of us, need to ignore that site, just like we ignore right wing sites. They are venting and they are laying bait. If we don't read, they will just vent and then start to enjoy H for good things not for banding together like a victimized group. It will be healthier all around

I may not be so involved as I came late spring to this site, so I don't feel like I have been fooled by long time friends. I am not wounded by their posts, their rancor or their actions. They are not very real to me. I am very aware that this is the internet, so we meet in space but not in real life usually.

[marym625]

124. +100

[MindfulOne]

94. You're proud of this? Wow.

Your candidate can't win, and I think as more of you come to realize this more of you feel entitled to become less and less civil in self-righteous act of self-immolation.

Thank you for posting, the transparency is very useful but very very sad to see, too.

:/

[boston bean]

95. I am extremely proud and have nothing to hide. Have fun! nt

[darkangel218]

105. Like this thread, for example?

http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=757

[AgingAmerican]

112. That's pretty mild compared to what was there a couple days ago

The below text is from your link. Pure hatred. Pure stupid too.

"When Sanders does not get the nomination (and he won't), his supporters need to be told in no uncertain terms to go away. We don't need them. They're nothing but trouble. Why the hell would we want to embrace a group that we know is going to be nothing but a thorn in our side? All your going to get from them is "I'll hold my nose and vote for her, but I'm not going to pretend she's not a war hawk and a corporate $@#*%!!!!!! And I'm still going to call her that!!!!" You really think the Party needs people in it like that?? Has Obama needed that shit?? Hell NO!"

[MindfulOne]

125. Can you imagine what they're saying in the secret exclusive Grumble section of the board?

I mean what they post out in the open is vile and disgusting and bigoted crap, the hidden stuff must be putrid.

I hope Hillary is proud of them.

[darkangel218]

131. +1

[AgingAmerican]

141. The stuff in the 'top Secret' section was public a couple days ago

For all to see. A lot of anti-antisemitism towards Sanders, and racist hatred toward white Sanders supporters.

Why are her supporters so filled with hate? What about her makes people this way?

[HooptieWagon]

148. You should have seen the anti-Semitic rant.

They've washed the public areas now, and made the Bigotry Forum members only by invitation.

[beam me up scottie]

150. Agreed, it was much worse before they cleaned house.

I noticed the posts about Stormfront were scrubbed.

[AgingAmerican]

159. There was an OP there titled, "Fuck Bernie Sanders"

That had a lot of racist and anti-semetic back slapping going on. Most of the names were well known DUers. There was another one about Israel that was pure Stormfront material.

This unbridled racism among her core supporters will be her undoing in the end, IMHO.

[beam me up scottie]

172. I saw that one too, along with others that discussed Stormfront.

[boston bean]

248. LOL, the first site most members log onto for information is Stormfront.

What a frickin laugh riot this is!

I know you're upset the bernster doesn't get bowed down to there, but really, why does this bother you so much?

[beam me up scottie]

252. Anti-Semitism should bother every DUer.

Which is why so many people are disgusted by your website.

[boston bean]

346. You stalk another website where you identify Duers are posting, bring stuff back here

make specious accusations against an entire website, and took the time to grab screenshots of a thread that is still open there for anyone to READ and determine for themselves.

Something in this charade should bother every DUer, that is true.

[beam me up scottie]

347. Actually those aren't my screenshots.

One of your members took them and sent them to me.

So there's that.

[boston bean]

348. Oh, so you have a mole, that makes it so much better! nt

[beam me up scottie]

353. I don't "have" anyone. You're the one inviting people to join on DU.

They just took you up on your kind offer.

[boston bean]

358. You have someone providing you evidence, you feel is just so damned important to be shared here.

Evidence that proves nothing, except that the gathering of it may show an unhealthy obsession with others.

Especially. since you are posting on a walled off, private, invite only facebook page to discuss DU and DUers where everyone uses pseudonyms. WOW!

[beam me up scottie]

362. It's there for everyone to see, I can't help it if you didn't scrub all of it.

Maybe you should wall of the whole site if you don't want people to see what you're posting.

[boston bean]

365. Oh you don't know about the sister site yet? nt

I'm screwing around.

[beam me up scottie]

371. I don't care about other sites. It's the anti-Semitism at the one I do know about that matters.

[boston bean]

397. You know about it right here from some of your fellow DUers

who have over the years posted very similar thoughts.

What are you doing about that?

[beam me up scottie]

399. Well I posted a second op about anti-Semitism today. What are you guys doing at your website?

Oh right, I forgot.

Accusing Bernie of being funded by Israel.

My bad.

[boston bean]

402. Back that up right now. Screenshots please, you are so very good with them.

Where did I ever accuse Bernie of being funded by Israel.

[beam me up scottie]

405. You didn't post it but you're still defending it.

[boston bean]

408. OMFG, I've told you honestly and sincerely how I felt about it.

make of it what you like.

[SwampG8r]

482. I have a large cache of screenshots

I will post them all if you post the screenshots you were saying you have from an atheists fb page
I will go 1 for 1 with you
Or I will go 3 for 1 how about that? I will post 3 screen shots for every one from the atheists fb page you claim to have.
Put up or shut up

[sibelian]

458. There's nothing specious being said here about anything said on that site.

And you are oddly selective in who you wish to discuss that site WITH, on this thread.

There are countless people observing its general slitheriness but you respond to a select few.

I wonder if we are seeing a George II gambit here? That would be upsetting.

But not surprising.

[beam me up scottie]

460. Uh oh! Keep that up and you'll be on the "list" too!

[sibelian]

464. Pfff they can list whatever they like.

Everyone can see them.

[beam me up scottie]

467. It's a lot like being on the list of hated DUers at the Conservative Cave.

What am I saying? It's EXACTLY like being on the list of hated DUers at the Cave.

When bigots hate you you know you're doing something right.

[restorefreedom]

181. thats just fine

cuz if by some combination of cheating and luck hillary gets the nom, i will "go away" with pleasure. i will go away from the lever that says "president...hillary clinton" and do a write in for bernie..


and i know i am not alone.

lets see how they like it when ms inevitable loses to a write in

[riversedge]

190. When Hillary gets the nomination it will be because of her hard work and

stance of issues. For you to say she will get it by luck and cheating is disgusting.

[restorefreedom]

193. dws behavior on her behalf

is what is disgusting not to mention the reprehensible behavior by groups "not coordinating" with the campaign

[riversedge]

194. You have a vivid imagination.

[restorefreedom]

195. actually i dont

i just look at what is in front of me

[boston bean]

246. Yes, proud of it and agreed with it. That you can see it, makes you mad.

But whatever.

[darkangel218]

265. It does not make me "mad".

You only wish

[boston bean]

269. So, how does it concern you at all? What's your gain?

[darkangel218]

285. Being "concerned" and "mad" are not one me the same thing.

Not even close. What are you talking about?? One has to me "mad" in order to see unfairness??

[boston bean]

288. No, one can be a realist to see unfairness and may not give one damned hoot.

That usually doesn't describe me. Unfairness usually makes me speak out.

However, what is the big deal that people are posting on another site? Really think about it, why is it a deal at all?

[darkangel218]

293. Giving a damn" and being "mad" are still far apart.

The site you are promoting in your OP speaks for itself.

Enough said.

[boston bean]

295. Well, one thing I would agree with you on, is you probably have

said enough.

Cause really, it is no big deal that other DUers are posting on another site. It is not the end of the world, nor does it prove they are awful people.

[darkangel218]

297. No one is having a problem with anyone posting on another site.

Is the THINGS that are said there they have a problem with. And the call outs to literally hide Cali and get her suspended.. And much more.

I'm sorry.. You do what you want. But don't expect it that it would be embraced here.

[boston bean]

300. What about the things said right here

It's all been roses and good feelings towards Hillary supporters.


My god, this is getting ridiculous.

[darkangel218]

304. Are you suggesting that the level of things which have been said on that site,

Are being said here??? You clearly know that is not true.

[boston bean]

344. LOL. nt

[darkangel218]

352. Really? Thats all? "Lol.nt"?

Lol okay then. So this thread was not serious to begin with, is that what you're saying?

[boston bean]

430. ayup. nothing else seemed to fit or work.

[AgingAmerican]

106. The other day I was there

I saw a thread titled, "Fuck Bernie Sanders". It was full of vile, unhinged racist statements about Sanders, and many of the people posting in the thread also post here.

I want back yesterday and the site had been scrubbed. All the unhinged racist threads had been removed! Like magic!!

They got caught with their pants down.

[darkangel218]

109. Yup, and its too late for them to say otherwise.

[840high]

116. Scrubbing won't do any good - we

saw it. It was disgusting.

[polly7]

174. And the 'Grumble' (the most popular forum where, before it was hidden, I saw

there the absolutely ugly, vile and viciousness of it) is now hidden from public view.

I find it sad that they're inviting members to go over who've no doubt already been ripped to shreds in their hidden sewer. Wish I'd gotten screenshots there, dammit.

[frylock]

108. I'm telling everyone I know IRL about your wonderful forum..

I encourage everyone here to spread the word. Have your friends, fambly members, and workmates go to http://hillaryclintonsupporters.com/forum/ to see where they stand on the issues.

[darkangel218]

111. +1

Same here.

[SidDithers]

136. DU rec for pissing off all the right people...nt

Sid

[darkangel218]

137. Lolololol!

You so failed on "pissing" anyone off! Keep trying.

[whatchamacallit]

173. I hope you'll enjoy your new home, Sid

[HooptieWagon]

146. I'd rather not go to a website where anti-semetics post.

And anyway, it's crickets in the Issues Forum...all the activity is in the Whiners Forum.

[AgingAmerican]

176. Yep

When you see posts with titles like, "He's a fucking jew", there's not a lot left to the imagination

[MelissaB]

213. Jury results

Mail Message
On Sat Sep 26, 2015, 04:19 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Yep
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=625064

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is an abject lie. This poster is deliberately stirring the pot with this garbage. There should be no tolerance for this kind of disgusting behavior here.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Sep 26, 2015, 04:28 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Context, people, context. Read a few posts before you alert.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: His word against another and no proof from either side to pass judgement. As a juror I need more concrete proof.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: If the post accurately describes the situation, then it should be left alone. I don't have the time or inclination to go to the source to see what the situation is.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[beam me up scottie]

437. Good jury! Thanks for posting the results.

[zappaman]

215. Seriously?

Someone actually posted "he's a fucking Jew"?
I'd like a link to that because if that's true, that's fucking heinous.
Thanks in advance.

[AgingAmerican]

219. That and a myriad of similar posts & OPs

Mysteriously disappeared when the side suddenly became temporarily inaccessible a day or two ago.

Too late, damage done.

[zappaman]

231. Sorry, but I find that hard to believe.

The burden of proof is on you and if you have no proof then I will consider it a baseless allegation until you can give me more than saying you saw it.
I get that there are things being said there you might not care for and are ogpffended by.
But, making things up doesn't help your cause.

[AgingAmerican]

236. Of course you don't believe it

They decided to scrub the site because a pigeon pooped on the server, right? Not because they got caught with their hands in anti-Semitic cookie jar, right? How did that rumor get started anyway, right? It's all made up! Right?

I don't need to prove anything to you or anyone. I know what I read and so do many others. Busted with their pants down and their DU names in marquee lights.

Perhaps they should have used alias'?
Oopsie!

[zappaman]

268. Well, there's quite a long thread in the Sanders forums about posts on that site.

Not to mention the myriad of threads all over this site...
Funny that no one but you saw it.

[AgingAmerican]

284. Note to future Hillary supporters

If you decide to engage in a Two Minutes Hate, use alias's.

[zappaman]

439. Note to present Bernie supporters

If you're going to make up things like "someone from DU posted on another site, 'he's a fucking Jew'", it would be good to back that up.
When even everyone else who went there didn't see it, it reflects poorly on Bernie supporters since it was clearly made up.

[AgingAmerican]

442. Oh how convenient

It's been scrubbed!

[NanceGreggs]

432. I read/post on that site daily ...

Nothing has been "scrubbed" nor removed. Nothing. The same posts that have been there since the site was launched are all still there.

As for your little theory about the site being anti-Semitic and/or racist, you might have noted that our participants are a combination of Jews, AAs, latinos, women, people of faith, etc.

DU, on he other hand, continues to lose members due to the vitriol spewed at all of the aforementioned. Many former DUers have abandoned this site over the past few months as a result thereof.

You might want to check out Alexa: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/democraticunderground.com#

Between last October and this February, DU's world-wide traffic rating dropped from being in the 6,000 (most trafficked websites) range to the 13,000 range, a drop unprecedented since its inception. Even as we speak, DU has only managed to pull itself back to 11,000, and it took seven months to even get that far back up the charts.

Now where do you suppose all of those former DU participants have gone? And why do you suppose they've all left?

If DU is so open-minded and friendly to all, why have so many members left the AA Group, the Feminist groups, the Religion Group, the BOG, etc.? Do you think the Jews and AAs are posting on the HRC site because it's a racist/anti-Semitic site? Do you think the people who used to participate in those groups left because they didn't feel persecuted enough here, and went looking for a site where they could be even more insulted than they are on DU?

When OPs/posts calling Hillary a "whore" are allowed to stand, you're going to lose female members. When OPs/posts bashing Democrats are allowed to stand, you're going to lose members who support Democrats. When links to RW sites and articles are allowed to stand, you're going to lose members who think RWers are batshit crazy and don't want to see their bullshit touted on what purports to be a Democratic-supporting site.

So now the real fun begins. People like yourself will talk endlessly about what "was" posted on the HRC site that has now been "scrubbed" - and you can fabricate whatever bullshit you want. So have at it. Make idiots of yourselves by claiming that all kinds of things were posted there that never existed. Concoct conspiracy theories about how all the racists and anti-Semites are gathering elsewhere to plot against you - (especially the Jews and the AAs who are members there).

Maybe if you post enough threads about that other site, you can get the traffic numbers for this site somewhere close to where they used to be - but I doubt it.

[boston bean]

232. that is a flat out lie. and you know it. nt

[AgingAmerican]

243. It's the gospel truth as you are well aware

I note none of you guys were defending the posts/OPs pre-scrub. Now post-scrub you have all came down with group amnesia and can't even remember of their existence.

The magic of group think!

[boston bean]

433. No it is not the gospel truth. I am well aware what you are stating is untrue.

[upaloopa]

178. How do you know that? You just repeating bull shit that

others say or do you lie and go there ?

[HooptieWagon]

199. I took a peek yesterday,...

...and I've seen the screenshots before the site was scrubbed. Vile, nasty shit that reminded me of the RWers at FR. Congratulations on branding yourselves, now we know what HRH's supporters are really like.

[BainsBane]

393. That story was first posted on DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134113241

so if the other site is antisemitic for posting it, then so is DU.

[OKNancy]

429. LOL!!

[beam me up scottie]

156. Everyone defending the anti-Semitism at that site should explain why in my thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251624166

Because this isn't ignorance, it's denial.

[Gothmog]

325. Have you heard of the concept of projection?

[beam me up scottie]

328. Are you going to explain to the Jewish DUers in my thread why they're wrong or not?

I already extended the invitation once.

[Gothmog]

340. I am Jewish DUer and I disagree with your attempt at analysis

[beam me up scottie]

341. Then refute the "analysis" in the thread I started for that purpose.

[Gothmog]

350. Your attempts at analysis are really sad and weak

I am amused at your attempts to argue your claims.

[beam me up scottie]

354. Which parts of my op are sad and weak?

Dog Whistles- an Anti-Semitism Primer (a timely repost)

There are really four classic anti-Semitic themes that have been for centuries to justify mass murder, mass expulsion, or both. They are that Jews have control the world's media, that Jews have an international conspiracy to control the world's money, that Jews join national governments and undermine them from within for their own purposes, and the "blood libel," a claim that Jews use the blood of Gentiles, usually children, to bake their Passover matzoh. Below I will try to define each of them, discuss their history, and explain why they remain important to this very day.

BLOOD LIBEL

Let me start with the last, the "blood libel." There are a couple of different forms of the blood libel. One is that Jews drink Christian or Muslim blood outright, and the other is that Jews use Christian or Muslim blood in matzoh. This is a slander with a long and inglorious history. The first iteration was the the story of William of Norwich, recorded in the Peterborough Chronicle. This story from 1144 alleged that a boy, William of Norwich, was kidnapped by Jews, tied to a cross, stabbed in the head to stimulate Jesus' crown of thorns, and killed. His blood was drunk and used in matzoh. This story was a rumor and the Jews were vindicated by five different Popes, but the legend lived on. But it was more than a legend. It was an excuse for slaughter and mayhem.

...

Jewish Disloyalty

The most famous example of this theme is the German post-WWI theme of the "stab in the back."

The Stab in the Back myth claimed that the German Army was victorious along the battle lines, but suffered a "stab in the back" from disloyal Jews. I hope I need not go into any detail as to where this led.

At the same time Hitler was exercising his Final Solution, Jews were being sent to Siberia by the Soviets. Jewish disloyalty has been a common theme throughout Russian history, and led to the pogroms of the late 19th century.

...

Jewish Bankers

This one flows from history, and can be seen throughout history. The "Jewish money-lender" is the central figure in The Merchant of Venice, and actually has some historic validity. You see, usury was considered unChristian (remember Jesus and the money-lenders) and was therefore illegal for Christians. That put people trying to pay for wars or put in new crops (which would not generate cash until the harvest was in) in a difficult position, as nobody was willing to lend money without interest. From this came a fairly common theme- Kings and nobles borrowed money from Jews, paid the interest as long as they thought they needed access to more money, then took all the Jews' property, prosecuted them for usery, or expelled them from the country. Another variation was simply declaring the Jews themselves property of the State.

...

Jew control the media

This one seems to come directly from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It was enhanced and reprinted by Ford in "The International Jew." Father Charles Coughlin used his enormous radio following to perpetrate these lies.

Claims that Jews run the media are common today. That alone might be a generalization based upon ownership and participation at a rate higher than the percentage of Jewish population. But "Jews control the media" is only the first half of the claim. The other half is "... and they use that control for their own evil ends."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/01/01/678869/-Dog-Whistles-an-Anti-Semitism-Primer-a-timely-repost

Can we please stop pretending that accusing Bernie Sanders of dual loyalty isn't anti-Semitic?


Diane Rehm made this mistake when she interviewed Bernie for NPR and later apologized for it.


Abe Foxman of ADL has this to say:

“Diane Rehm’s questions were inappropriate, insensitive questioning without any minimal journalistic checking of claims. Such a statement is not only factually incorrect, but has no place in such an interview.

It is deeply troubling to think that a well-respected media outlet like NPR would apparently rely on unsubstantiated information from the Internet in its preparation for a guest.

“Ms. Rehm’s description and follow-up question about whether other Senators have dual citizenship with Israel play into classic anti-Semitic charges of dual loyalty. Such charges have been leveled for centuries and have been a catalyst for scapegoating and vilifying Jews.

Senator Sanders deserves a public apology, as do NPR listeners.”

...

Her mistake was to not research it before she even stated it as fact. She shouldn’t have asked the question, period. Had she researched it, she wouldn’t have raised it at all. Because her question challenges not only his loyalty, but also Jewish loyalties to this country.”

[Comrade Grumpy]

171. Please spend even more time over there.

[Blue_In_AK]

179. This is a good idea.

Go obsess about the Bernie supporters on your own board and leave us alone. I like it.

[hifiguy]

220. + a googolplex

[Cleita]

245. Me too. Things are far more pleasant here

the less they post on this board.

[Warren DeMontague]

200. "The riff raff" - lol

Cmon, everybody loved him in Rocky Horror.



Anyway, seriously, "riff raff" - is that like the post over there where I saw DU's Sanders supporters being called "trailer trash"?

It's probably safely behind the moat and drawbridge, now--- always the mark of classy, adult Internet behavior when we scurry off to have our little whispers at the private table in the 7th grade lunchroom.

"Psssst psssst psssst likeohmigod! Gag me with a spoon- Would you EVER?!"



Anyway, Im not real sure how "trailer trash" gels with the "Bernie supporters are effete elitist 10%ers who dont give a crap about the subaltern" meme, but no matter.

[beam me up scottie]

204. The Bernie supporters who are "trailer trash" drive older model Volvos.

And they get their lattes from the local convenience store instead of Starbucks.

Oh and they wear Birkenstock knockoffs.

[Warren DeMontague]

207. There's a post over there getting all kinds of praise, about "lets kick them out of the party"

"We dont want their votes, right gang?"



And people- (most of them, at least... To their credit I think a couple see it for what it obviously is) seem to be just... lapping it up.

Dance, little man, dance!

[beam me up scottie]

210. And they call this place an echo chamber?

The disconnect is stunning.

[Warren DeMontague]

221. Beyond that, it's a completely idiotic approach to politics.

But again, they seem to not realize that they're being played.

[beam me up scottie]

260. Like fiddles.

[Warren DeMontague]

222. here's another gem: "It wasn't nearly this bad or divisive or downright hostile in 2008"

HOLY FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK, are you kidding? Am I the only one who remembers Harriet Christian?

[beam me up scottie]

266. Seriously? This Harriet Christian?:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6225264


And that was one of the nicer threads.

[m-lekktor]

406. the video has been removed! I have an idea who you are talking about though!nt

[beam me up scottie]

409. Do a google site search, but beware - it's an ugly chapter of DU history.

[m-lekktor]

412. Is she the older lady who screeched about the only reason is because he is black?

I will search anyway to verify for myself!

[beam me up scottie]

419. Wonkette still has the video (NSFW):

http://wonkette.com/400148/insane-harriet-christian-has-more-thoughts-about-the-blacks

[m-lekktor]

418. I found it on a pro Hillary site! apparently she passed away and they paid tribute to her racist

ass on the pro hilary site. she called Obama an"inadequate black male"

yep they pay tribute on 'Stillforhill" lol

http://still4hill.com/2013/10/08/farewell-harriet-christian/

[beam me up scottie]

420. Jinx! I just posted a link to the video on Wonkette!

Nope, things have not descended to that level yet but it's still early!

[m-lekktor]

422. I am in awe that the Hillary supporters view this woman as somebody worthy

of paying tribute to on their website upon her death!!

[beam me up scottie]

423. Me too...that's just...wow.

No words.

[beam me up scottie]

431. Did you read the comments???

freespirit
Karen, thanks so much for sharing your experiences with Harriet , and with the valiant efforts in campaigning for Hillary. Even though the outcome was outrageous and unjust – so many of the experiences, the people, and the memories made during that time were wonderful.

You’re so right about the frustration, anger and heart-break we PUMAs experienced as we watched Democratic Party, to which we had been loyal for many years, treat Hillary so unjustly, and throw women’s rights to gender equality under Obama’s big, ugly bus.

I recall watching Harriet on the news, giving them hell after that RBC meeting. It felt so good to hear her speak the truth about what was happening. The media were certainly not reporting on the many travesties of that election. Harriet told it like it was. She was the real deal..

2013 and they were still whining about Obama.

[m-lekktor]

434. LOL!!

and THERE you have it! I am so glad I found that video on THAT particular page! STILL4HILL

I am certain that had BLM stormed the stage at a HIllary event, knocked her aside and started screeching hateful insults at the Hillary supporters BLM would have gotten the SAME REACTION. Right or Wrong when people who are expecting to hear somebody they want to hear speak and they get rudely interrupted then called names to boot, all nuance would be lost and the reactions would be the same! I am sure of it!

[beam me up scottie]

435. Hell, Hillary's supporters BOOED Bernie on his BIRTHDAY for ffs:

[AgingAmerican]

443. The whole internet was an anti-Hillary mosh pit in 08

Brought to you by Obama supporters. Randy Rhodes became a Coulter-like figure and self immolated over Hillary. Stephanie Miller was openly asking on air 'what's wrong with reopening the Christmas card list and Vince foster 'controversies'?.

This time it is largely the same group doing it again with the Sanders 'strawman' smears. Mostly Obama supporters.

[hifiguy]

216. Why don't you toddle back to your cesspit

of lies, hate and paranoia??

[zappaman]

249. Are you talking about the AA forum?

I seem to recall reading right here on DU that it was a "cesspit" and full of "arseholes".

Hmmmmm....where did I read that?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128050204#post52

[hifiguy]

261. I am not. I am referring specifically to the HRH site

that was mentioned in the OP and nothing else.

[zappaman]

278. Oops my bad. I see the word "cesspit"

And I immediately think of that post in the Bernie Sanders forum, which is full of love and kindness from Sanders supporters.
Unlike those mean Hillary supporters or even worse those awful AA "arseholes" who say nonsense like "black lives matter".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128050204#post52

[haikugal]

403. I didn't use any words similar to cesspit in that thread...

It was in response to this treatment I received in this thread...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/118726404

Personally the mocking and denigrating tone of the response was enough to keep me out of your very private sub forum and I see the same negative action in your new forum...

[cui bono]

428. Why are you calling out a DUer with links to someone else's post???

You are making no logical sense with that.

What does the poster you are responding to have to do with that? God you are grasping...

And btw... fact: The AA group is very anti-Bernie. They allow smear monger OPs to stand, one of their most vocal - well not currently - members calls other PoC who don't agree with him "outliers", which is odd because I thought thinking that PoC were a monolith was racist... but anyway, it's a very poorly run group at this time. And then they complain that the group is being alert stalked and that all of a sudden people with no interest in AA issues are making their way in there... well fact of the matter is that they are allowing it to be an anti-Bernie site and if the posts make it to the greatest page everyone will see them if they look on that page. Of course people are going to go in there to refute the smears of Bernie and his supporters. That doesn't mean that they don't care about AA issues. It does mean that the AA group is leaving up smears that have nothing to do with AA issues though.

So anyway... what was your point with linking to a third party's post that had nothing to do with the poster you responded to? And why did you bring the AA group into this anyway?

[PowerToThePeople]

224. I am so posting there.

Thanks for the info.

[jkbRN]

226. "Good democrats"

LMAO

[jkbRN]

229. 225 comments and only 14 recs

Sad day for HRC

[darkangel218]

242. Not necessarily for her, but for that "website".

Not many who in good faith support her, would support that bigoted site, and what is being said there. But thats just MHO.

[jkbRN]

251. Ohhh, I haven't even looked at it

I'll take a look now. Who would ever make a site that does that?! Or why would ppl post that kind of crap?

[darkangel218]

256. No idea.

Apparently, they have *scrubbed it up" as some posters ahead are saying. It might not be as it was yesterday. But nevertheless, to each their own.

They shouldn't be promoting it here though. It's messed up.

[hifiguy]

280. Put on your hazmat suit before going in.

I peeked around a couple days ago and needed a shower afterwards. Think Freeperland, slightly more literate and grammatical but just as vile and paranoid.

[-none]

369. It's the weekend.

The other 6 took the weekend off, they'll be back Monday.

[darkangel218]

337. Bottom line is,

Those who hate Sanders and his supporters so much , should resign from MIRT.
That simple.

Go spew whatever thoughts/words you have againts DUers , just don't be on MIRT. ( example seen even in this thread, when a poster was taken down with the sarcastic : he's gone now, Jim. ".

Thats what I think. For what is worth.

[AtomicKitten]

535. That would be the fair and reasonable thing to do.

However, the admin here at DU has long since abandoned fair and reasonable, and have put their thumb on the scale for Hillary Clinton and her supporters.

[Warren DeMontague]

356. 'the hype'- funny you should say that, I think it's the reason a lot of us don't support Hillary.

To much sizzle, not enough steak.

[gwheezie]

404. Here I go defending bernie

As if this forum needs it.
1st I am voting for HRC in my primary. I hope she is my next president. I'm not going to accuse Bernie of anything I can't prove. I'm not going to hold his supporters to the same standard I can only control my own behavior.
Anti semitism should be shunned by all of use. There is a huge difference between supporting Jews right to live anywhere in the world and defending that right and supporting netanyaho and his policies Bernie can be slammed for supporting Israel I quess if this was not the policy of this country. And just as some of his supporters were discpicable towards blm, I will not play that came. I accept as a Jew Bernie may have a different perspective on the history of oppressed Jews than I do and his positions are formed by that. I see a rise in antisemitism by the right taking root here and in Europe and I include all semitic groups. It is dangerous and causes me concern.

[Go Vols]

415. The Spam!

[Doctor_J]

440. I think most people who post ads for other sites pay Skinner for that privilege

Do you?

[Gothmog]

456. Thanks for posting

[moondust]

492. That place is a shit hole.

Welcome to ignore!

[sibelian]

503. Even Discussionist has noticed this god-awful shitstorm.

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http://www.discussionist.com/1016135258

Not even the banned DU folk can stomach you.

And ya know whut, not even DISCUSSIONIST expends as much time, attention and effort on DU member bashing as you guys, and a substantial chunk of the membership of that site is disgruntled ex-DUers.

There comes a point when even the most dedicated self-publicists need a re-branding, but I don't think anyone in your gang is ever going to reach that stage. Sooner or later even the most pig-headed, selfish, arrogant, petulant bores will twitch their ears and think.... "hmmm. Gosh. It's pretty much EVERYONE. It's EVERYONE who's pissed off with me. Maybe I did something wrong?"

But you won't.

I've been posting here for a while now, and I think I know what the problem's been all along with the whole crowd of you over there. Hillarysupporters.com is a frankly uncanny collation of all the people posting on DU who have pissed me off by wasting everyone's time on baiting, snotty bad manners, silly ignorant rudeness and a total disinterest in any meaningful or useful discussion of political ideas.

This is the problem:

You think you're better than everyone else.

There's no particular attribute displayed by you or anyone else posting over there that actually makes you better than anyone else, you've just decided that you are.

I've seen this a lot on the left, here in the UK as well. Self-important people with no real moral compass at all picking and choosing at random from a smorgasbord of currently fashionable lefty tropes that allow them to stand on soapboxes and pretend superior knowledge of the subjects they're pontificating on, very often to people who have actually lived through the issues they're splurting gibberish about as if they understand them better. They're typically incredibly ignorant. Also, they aren't really expressing the opinions they howl from the rooftops as a result of any deeply held or understood set of ethical positions, it's almost entirely because they want to pretend they hold these positions, to themselves, and this pretense is usually a substitute for the genuinely ethical behaviour they feel they should be credited with whilst exhibiting none of it. They can sort of tell, you see, that something's missing. Oh, sure, people that are beneath them can slobber around in the awkward business of useful interpersonal relations, but the screamers are above all that. They're BETTER than that. That's why they're ALLOWED to behave like a bunch of useless, self-important pricks. Because they're the special people. They're the people who secretly GET that black people are being oppressed, so why should they worry about "normal" people? Normal people are stupid and don't understand about gay rights. Or women.

When I saw the threads about Sanders supporters being elitists I stared and stared.

Carry on. Everyone can see you now, for exactly what you are.

[Warren DeMontague]

515. Sanders supporters are "elitists", but also on that site they are called "trailer trash"

You know, those trailer trash elitists.

[cui bono]

533. I was with you until you associated them with being on the left.

They are no where near left. They are corporatist... actually, you know what? The reality is they aren't guided by any policy beliefs, they don't ever say anything substantial about anything, they aren't anything other than idol worshippers and team players, and I don't mean that in a good way. They play politics as a team sport and they also believe in win at all costs. Much like the GOP.

Anyone who doesn't agree with them is a "hater", even though they are the ones who are spewing hate to people who are discussing things reasonably. They have a "your either with us or against us" attitude, gee, where did we hear that before.