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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 09:56 AM Sep 2015

The Atlantic: Hillary Clinton Ties Herself to Francis on Climate Change

Hillary Clinton Ties Herself to Francis on Climate Change

Pope Francis may not be a Democrat, but Democrats certainly love Pope Francis. And during his trip to the United States, they’re evidently trying to get a boost from his popularity. On Friday, presidential nominee Hillary Clinton appeared in an unlikely media outlet, the National Catholic Reporter, with a Francis-themed op-ed on climate change. For anyone who’s followed Clinton’s campaign even a little bit, the rhetoric will sound familiar, even if the venue is new. “As a person of faith, a mother, and a grandmother, I am deeply moved by Pope Francis’ recent teachings on climate change—to reflect and above all to act,” she writes. “We are rich, powerful, and blessed with many advantages. We must lead the charge.”

Clinton was beaten to the pages of NCR by her Catholic competitor, Martin O’Malley. His pope-full op-ed on climate change, which also touched on poverty and the migrant crisis, ran a few days ago, right before Francis arrived in the U.S. And just to round things out, Bernie Sanders did his own round of pope praising on Thursday after the pontiff addressed Congress. “The name Dorothy Day has not been used in the United States Congress terribly often,” Sanders told The Washington Post. “She was a valiant fighter for workers, was very strong in her belief for social justice ... This would be one of the very, very few times that somebody as radical as Dorothy Day was mentioned.”


Lots of pope posturing going on. Times have changed since JFK.

JFK's Speech on His Religion

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish; where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source; where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials; and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.


I agree that the current pope is progressive on some issues and I'm happy if that moves his followers in a certain direction. Still, all the pope love is feeling a little too cozy. JFK's speech was to combat anti-Catholic prejudice, but I think it's good advice even outside of that context.
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The Atlantic: Hillary Clinton Ties Herself to Francis on Climate Change (Original Post) portlander23 Sep 2015 OP
Clinton Late To The Party Yet Again - Always Following And Never Leading cantbeserious Sep 2015 #1
HRC has called for climate action for years, long before 2012, which Hortensis Sep 2015 #7
Somehow Those Words Don't Convince This One Based On The HRC History cantbeserious Sep 2015 #8
Here's a 2007 HRC speech on climate change. One of them. Hortensis Sep 2015 #9
Riddle Me This - Why Did She Sit On the Keystone Fence For So Long cantbeserious Sep 2015 #11
HRC as Secretary of State dedicating funding to fight climate change, Hortensis Sep 2015 #12
Riddle Me This - Why Did She Sit On the Keystone Fence For So Long cantbeserious Sep 2015 #13
HRC on global warming in Las Vegas 2007, video link Hortensis Sep 2015 #14
Riddle Me This - Why Did She Sit On the Keystone Fence For So Long cantbeserious Sep 2015 #16
HRC addressing Copenhagen Climate Summit, link inside Hortensis Sep 2015 #15
Riddle Me This - Why Did She Sit On the Keystone Fence For So Long cantbeserious Sep 2015 #17
HRC's formation of international climate change coalition, link inside Hortensis Sep 2015 #19
Riddle Me This - Why Did She Sit On the Keystone Fence For So Long cantbeserious Sep 2015 #20
HRC on link of devastating Asian floods with global warming Hortensis Sep 2015 #22
Riddle Me This - Why Did She Sit On the Keystone Fence For So Long cantbeserious Sep 2015 #23
Stormfront links HRC climate policy with "nefarious Jews," link inside Hortensis Sep 2015 #24
Wow - Are You Now Linking Your Primary Candidate To A Hate Group cantbeserious Sep 2015 #26
How's the fracking going? Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2015 #2
These candidates burn bridges when they get religious and Hillary reminds me she opposed my Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #3
LGBTs have been bounced around on political breezes senz Sep 2015 #5
I don't think any of them are bigots, just too quick to excuse bigotry. Bluenorthwest Sep 2015 #21
I understand. senz Sep 2015 #27
#thingsberniesaidfirst Fawke Em Sep 2015 #4
Last week she was Bernie. This week she's the Pope! senz Sep 2015 #6
Hahahahahahaha. jkbRN Sep 2015 #10
Pope Hillary bigwillq Sep 2015 #18
Queen wasn't good enough for her - moving up. 840high Sep 2015 #28
How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World beam me up scottie Sep 2015 #25

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
11. Riddle Me This - Why Did She Sit On the Keystone Fence For So Long
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:41 AM
Sep 2015

I don't trust a word this woman says - all poll driven - not a leader - totally disingenuous.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
13. Riddle Me This - Why Did She Sit On the Keystone Fence For So Long
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:43 AM
Sep 2015

I don't trust a word this woman says - all poll driven - not a leader - totally disingenuous.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
16. Riddle Me This - Why Did She Sit On the Keystone Fence For So Long
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:45 AM
Sep 2015

I don't trust a word this woman says - all poll driven - not a leader - totally disingenuous.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
17. Riddle Me This - Why Did She Sit On the Keystone Fence For So Long
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:46 AM
Sep 2015

I don't trust a word this woman says - all poll driven - not a leader - totally disingenuous.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
20. Riddle Me This - Why Did She Sit On the Keystone Fence For So Long
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:52 AM
Sep 2015

I don't trust a word this woman says - all poll driven - not a leader - totally disingenuous.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
23. Riddle Me This - Why Did She Sit On the Keystone Fence For So Long
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:55 AM
Sep 2015

I don't trust a word this woman says - all poll driven - not a leader - totally disingenuous.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. These candidates burn bridges when they get religious and Hillary reminds me she opposed my
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:10 AM
Sep 2015

equal rights because of this faith she cites for many many years and every time she did that I trusted her less and less. Dragging up all that faith and family talk is not helpful. Dog whistle city.

And while I get Dorothy Day was great in many ways, fact is a person gave me a book about her years ago in in the first minutes of reading she said she was 'repulsed by homosexuals'. I was 19 and I did not read any more. That's also part of her package. Sanders also sent me a 'why you have to listen to the Pope' email. I've been a climate activist and actual full total equality activist my entire adult life, I do not need instruction from anti gay and anti choice clergy that opposes my best interests. It is insulting to tell me I have to listen to some anti gay preacher.
This whole week has just left me liking all of our candidates and our Party much, much less.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
5. LGBTs have been bounced around on political breezes
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:24 AM
Sep 2015

by just about every pol but Bernie. He has never been a bigot. It's just not in him.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
21. I don't think any of them are bigots, just too quick to excuse bigotry.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:53 AM
Sep 2015

Look, I've supported Bernie since most people had never heard of him. I did not care for his email telling me I had to listen to the anti gay Pope. I listen to science about climate and economists about the economy, not preachers who say my rights are from the devil. That email was not nice to see in my inbox.
Sorry. For me support of a candidate is not exclusive of criticism of that candidate. Anyone who promotes an anti gay activist to me will get my stern criticism.

Leave your preachers out of the politics please. Especially those who are exclusionary and call minority groups a threat.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
27. I understand.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 12:12 PM
Sep 2015

The cruelty, exclusion, and gay bashing are abominable, on a par with fascism and slavery. People can be beasts, but even the animals aren't that cruel. Yes, it is horrible, and it hurts.

I wish the Pope could come out and defy the Church on core doctrine, but this human institution was not founded on the spirit of inclusion that Jesus, St. Francis, and Pope Francis represent. The pope cannot challenge doctrine and still be a Catholic. However, however, I think we do see his true feelings when he says, of LGBTs, "who am I to judge?" I took that as code. It fits all the non-doctrinal statements of love and inclusion that he has been allowed to make. I am sure that he abhors judgmentalism, as he should.

Bernie, of course, is taken by the Pope's championing of the poor and the environment and his condemnation of greed. Bernie, like me, doesn't hold church doctrine against the pope. I think we both sense that he does not personally condemn LGBTs.

Doesn't take the pain away, I know. But as we both know, times are changing, people are opening their eyes and hearts to the humanity of those who once were considered "different."

jkbRN

(850 posts)
10. Hahahahahahaha.
Sat Sep 26, 2015, 11:40 AM
Sep 2015

I'm sure the pope knows about what she has done to further climate change. Coming out with a plan a week ago doesn't mean ANYTHING.

“We are rich, powerful, and blessed with many advantages. We must lead the charge.”


Omg doesn't she know he calls capatilism "the dug of the devil"?? She is way off base writing this.
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