Bernie the only candidate from either party who young voters actually give a damn about

[brentspeak]

And considering that Bernie has broad support among all age groups -- and is increasingly gaining the respect of even conservative voters -- it's time for the MSM to consider him a truly electable candidate.

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[beam me up scottie]

1. GREAT pictures!

That's what I think too, young people finally have a candidate who's getting them involved in the process.

K & R!!!

[Live and Learn]

4. Had one tell me yesterday that she was thrilled to have a candidate she was excited about

for her first election. I told her she was lucky, look how long I have had to wait.

[JDPriestly]

126. We were excited about JFK, but then he was taken from us.

[Joe Turner]

53. Bernie's candidacy in indeed resonating with young people

I see it in the office. Last week my 20-something associate showed me her Bernie campaign logo she is distributing on her I-phone. Young people understand, better than the old, that this country has to radically change the course were on. And Bernie Sanders is the real change candidate.

[MindfulOne]

78. It looks like a young America, diverse and hopeful, not at all staged.

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There's no fighting that, not with money, not with focus groups and specialists and appearances on Ellen and SNL.

Can't fight it.

I've never been so encouraged, but I'm also scared because she has a cult following and a shitload of money and rich friends.

[JDPriestly]

129. To say nothing of her friends in the intelligence and military communities.

[Cali_Democrat]

2. The Democratic primary voters will decide if he wins the nomination.

Not the MSM.

[sabrina 1]

32. Lol, yes, they will. I'm taking a formerly non-voter to register as a Dem this week

in NY so she can vote for Bernie in the primary. NY requires voters to register by Oct 9th. The Dem party's base is going to increase by huge numbers in closed primary states. Some who left the party and are now registered Indies, are returning just so they can vote for Bernie.

There is a huge GOTV for Bernie, young people are very involved in this drive, so you're right, Dem primary voters will determine the nominee for the party.

The PEOPLE iow, not the Corporations.

[artislife]

33. That is true!

And feelthebern.org has information on how to primary in every state. In Seattle, I know for a fact they were giving info on registering to vote, signing up volunteers and giving out info for free how to caucus classes along with all the steps to be eligible.

We got it covered.

[merrily]

232. And, of course, media and/or lack thereof, has no effect on voters, esp.

when a candidate begins a campaign with little name recognition. Neither do the shenanigans of the DNC.

[Ed Suspicious]

3. It kills me that people in our party want to ignore or even tamp down this enthusiasm. These people

are forming lifelong political habits and beliefs. You show them that our party is too mired in a hopeless sort of cynicism to strive, and you will lose them, probably for good.

[reformist2]

29. It's because the leadership has already decided who they want, and everyone knows it.

[PosterChild]

97. That's because he is a self-descrbed socialist....

.... and can't win the general election. And everyone knows it .

[arcane1]

104. As evidenced by his anemic crowd numbers and lack of donors

[PosterChild]

156. As "evidenced" by ....

.... actual emperical evidence:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/17/could-a-socialist-actually-be-elected-president/

[Fawke Em]

182. Like anyone has ever faced this.

I'm sure if you show them Lenin, they might not vote, but if you showed them Lennon, they would.

[Bohunk68]

223. You're quoting the WaPo? It has been on the anti-Bernie bandwagon.

[thesquanderer]

228. Did you read the WAPO article you linked to?

Of course the socialist tag is an obstacle he will have to deal with. He will have to spend an inordinate amount of energy explaining over and over again why his brand of "democratic socialism" as practiced in Scandinavian countries is not the same as many people's images of Marxist socialism, and life in Cuba or the Soviet Union. Some skeptics will be reachable, some won't.

Even the Wapo article you linked to to "prove" that a socialist is unelectable actually said

trying to win a presidential election when 50 percent of voters are off-limits to you would be very difficult. That said, we live in polarizing times, and there's a case to be made that Sanders could pull just enough votes to win.

He could also, I would point out, move to change people's perceptions of socialism altogether — help it go more mainstream. That is also completely plausible, especially since we haven't had much of a conversation about socialism in this country for a very long time.

No, the author does not think it's likely. But he doesn't rule out that it's possible... and more than that, even "completely plausible."

I would also point out that as of January 2008 (closer to the 2008 election than we now are to the 2016 election), only 54% of Americans felt that the country was ready for a black president. Yet Obama won later that year. So even a number as daunting as something approaching 50% against some aspect of you is not necessarily insurmountable, if you're the right candidate with the right message at the right time. And again, BS isn't even really the kind of socialist most people polled are thinking about when they hear the word socialist. OTOH, Obama really was black.

(Source for the 2008 figures: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-poll-ready-for-a-black-president/ )

[virtualobserver]

105. young people are not shackled by the tired old conventional wisdom

and will disprove that nonsense

[PosterChild]

162. Yep, those young folks ....

.... have shrugged off the shackles of conventional wisdom and sander's now about even with clinton amongst them! A landslide! No, wait, a REVOLUTION !

[virtualobserver]

164. your chart shows the trend

it is funny that your chart comforts you

[PosterChild]

186. The chart shows that....

Bernie is the only candidate from either party who young voters actually give a damn about

..... is unwarranted, unsupported nonsense . And the chart just covers democrates, not "either party".

Please , let's have a reality based discussion !

[virtualobserver]

205. the chart is a snapshot, nothing more

[PosterChild]

208. LOL, And what is the claim that . ...

Bernie is the only candidate from either party who young voters actually give a damn about

A psychic prediction from some astro dimension ? The enthusiasm on display here knows no earthly bound!

[virtualobserver]

209. your chart neither proves nor disproves that statement

the young voters who are showing up by the thousands at his rallies do. It is their enthusiasm that knows no earthly bounds.

More people have donated to Bernie's campaign than any other campaign.
Unless your argument is that Hillary supporters are greedy and cheap, then you have to argue that their intensity of support is very weak indeed.

....except for the super rich......they love Hillary fundraisers....as long as they get their valet parking.

[Art_from_Ark]

224. One thing that chart does show

is that Hillary has lost significant support among all of those groups in just a month and a half, and Bernie has surpassed her among young voters.

[pangaia]

150. "...self-descrbed socialist..."

Try thinking for yourself, just a suggestion

[PosterChild]

160. Just to do a little critical thinking....

.... about this, how exactly does "thinking for myself" help to win an election for the leadership of a nation of 350 million people? Maybe you could explain to me how that would help.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183713/socialist-presidential-candidates-least-appealing.aspx

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/17/could-a-socialist-actually-be-elected-president/

[Jurassic Fiend]

166. People are tired of the corporatist status quo

They aren't getting any richer.

Time for something revolutionary - and that means Democratic socialist..

And Americans are now more accepting of socialism, otherwise, get off my planet as we all do a form of socialism every second.

[PosterChild]

176. Ummm, what evidence do you have...

.,.. that " Americans are now more accepting of socialism" ? You might want to post it rather than making unsupported assertions .

And what's this about your planet ? This is our planet , not yours - you might want to be a bit less arogant in tone.

[HDSam]

151. I believe he can win

the general election, so your statement that everybody knows he can't win the general election is demonstrably incorrect.

I'm tired of settling and the hundred of thousands of supporters that have donated and attended events are tired of settling.

Are you tired of settling?

[PosterChild]

163. What I'm tired of is ....

.... the same old, over and over, enthusiastic bs excitement for unrealistic, idelogical, populist demagoguery .

And, by the way , if you go carrying pictures of chairman mao . .

[Fawke Em]

184. That's the thing: no one's carrying pictures of Chairman Mao.

We're carrying pictures of FDR.

[PosterChild]

188. In 1932 FDR ran against...

.... and beat FOUR socialist candidates . He certainly didn't call himself a socialist .

If you want to support a crypto socialist for president , sander's not your man. He isn't crypto enough.

[Fawke Em]

191. I'm actually not worried about labels.

What Sanders talks about sounds like FDR.

What Sanders has always supported is akin to FDR.

So, yes, Sanders is my "man" (although, Jane might have something to say about that. )

[merrily]

236. 1955 called. It wants its dumbass red-baiting back.

[Trajan]

195. You are so gone

Poof

[retrowire]

92. This is a very good way to put it.

There is way too much passionate energy being created by these people (me) to let go to waste. If it's misused or ignored, then a whole lot of people are going to become disenchanted.

I'll admit it, if Bernie fails completely, doesn't even get nominated. I'll probably go back to having a bad case of voter apathy, or not feeling that any of it matters.

This reminds me of a focus group in marketing that we had at my job once. It was myself, and a bunch of engineers that were all computer enthusiasts, and we were invited to this focus group to tell the marketing people (who knew nothing about computers) how to sell a CPU cooler.

We went down this large list and once we left, we felt pretty empowered. We were asked to go online and spread the word. But then, the marketing group lost control of it, didn't understand half of it, and reigned us in. Told us, "don't talk to people online anymore about it, if they have questions just tell them to email us! It'll be great!"

We tried telling him that if you want to encourage brand loyalty and foster a great introduction in the market these days, you'll need to communicate in real time. Talk to people on reddit, have AMA's, tweet and retweet, do Live Youtube chats, anything!

But nope, they'd rather do it old fashioned. You know what that led to? Disenchantment from myself and the engineers, the marketing started to fall through and the public started believing the product was a fraud because of my companies lack of communication. I washed my hands of it, and didn't want anything to do with it.

We're getting some bites so it's not THAT bad... But the point is, they didn't harness the energy of those most enthused about it, and now we aren't even being involved in the process.

The same can happen to the Democratic party.

[JDPriestly]

131. Great post. You should post it as an OP with just a little editing because what you said needs

to be read by people making these decisions.

I have no idea what Reddit or Instagram or these websites are about, but my children do.

And once you lose a young voter, it takes a lot to get that voter back and interested in public affairs.

[merrily]

233. +1

[AgingAmerican]

5. That's because he is the only one who gives a damn about them

[NorthCarolina]

8. You really are some piece of work.

[beam me up scottie]

11. BlueWaveDem posted "That's because they're all doped up"

Just reposting that so that everyone knows what kind of person we're dealing with.

I agree, what a piece of work.

[brentspeak]

20. "Member" just got flagged

"bluewavedem", the "26 year old female law student living in Brooklyn", will likely resurface on these boards as "oldmidwestdem", a "62 year old male retired farmer living in Idaho" who is a "lifelong Democrat".

[JackInGreen]

22. Is it just me

Or does tgat look cut n pasted from a dating profile?
"Lacey" needs to get a grip.

[sabrina 1]

35. Interesting ... that's quite a personality change.

[beam me up scottie]

37. It's the silly season and this forum is like fly paper.

[NorthCarolina]

48. What does "flagged" mean?

[brentspeak]

64. Posting privileges suspended and member "Flagged for Review" n/t

[NorthCarolina]

67. Oh, ok

Thanks...had not heard that term bantered about here before.

[arcane1]

80. It happens if one gets a couple of posts hidden in a short time after joining.

The admins will determine if they think the poster's intentions are hostile or not, and either release them or ban them.

[NorthCarolina]

96. OK, now that

makes sense. Appreciate the info. I can understand why that was likely done in this particular instance.

[MindfulOne]

73. "I will be back with new account since someone got me flagged for review. I hate you Bernie people!"

Oh, I can't wait.

[Scootaloo]

196. I've got two notions on who's wearing that sock, too

[arcane1]

55. And will say literally anything in order to counter a pro-Bernie post.

Transparent from day one.

Have you seen their profile today?

[beam me up scottie]

57. "MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN HACKED. MY POSTS DELETED."

MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN HACKED. MY POSTS DELETED. AND OTHER POSTS EDITED TO WRITE SOMETHING I NEVER WROTE!

[arcane1]

74. Check it now:

"I will be back with new account since someone got me flagged for review. I hate you Bernie people!"

We got a live one!

[beam me up scottie]

77. LMAO! I wonder who hacked her account and called Billy Bragg a "redneck"?

Must be one of those evil Bernie supporters, we are LEGION!

[arcane1]

83. I admit, that one was all me.

Kidding. I thought I'd see what it's like to make up things

[beam me up scottie]

101. Wasn't there another famous DUer who flamed out and claimed their account was hacked?

I can't remember who but I'm sure someone did...

[arcane1]

102. Not that I recall. By the way, I "hacked" their account again.

And changed their "About" section

[beam me up scottie]

106. "Socialism sucks!"

Love me some scorched earth!

We're seeing history being made on DU now, folks!

Pull up a chair!

[darkangel218]

118. Now they changed it again:

About BlueWaveDem
Silencing dissenting voices is socialist policy. Say goodbye to another potential Bernie voter. Free speech and democracy > socialism and state sponsored theft of wages and wealth.

[beam me up scottie]

120. Oh dear. Another one who doesn't know the difference between Communism and Dem Socialism.

[AgingAmerican]

190. Sounds pretty Republicanny to me

"State sponsored theft of wages and wealth"

[cui bono]

198. Yet again... here's what I see:

About BlueWaveDem
I am Bernie Sanders and black people will vote for me because I tell them Colonel Sanders was my father and I love chicken too.

What a.... meh.

[darkangel218]

202. Jeebus Christ

[merrily]

235. Another potential Bernie voter (who implies he is a pedophile) Comedy gold.

[beam me up scottie]

110. Did you do her sigline too? "FLAGGED BY HILLARY HATERS"

[arcane1]

111. Not me! I have to admit, I'm curious how this afternoon-long vitriol would've expressed itself.

Without the flag. Oh well

[beam me up scottie]

114. A shame, really. No telling what kind of gems would have come from that mine.

Her fellow supporters are probably breathing a sigh of relief.

I know I do when an obnoxious Bernie supporter goes buh-bye.

Some of the posts I've read here made me think "Please stop helping Bernie, please stop helping Bernie, please..."

[arcane1]

117. Indeed, sometimes silent support is the preferable way.

I can see them now, picking the most stoned-looking slacker from a Sanders crowd and interviewing them as a typical Bernie supporter

[beam me up scottie]

119. LOLOLOL! Exactly!

[Fawke Em]

187. OMG!!

Look at it now:

Bernie is a shill for Israel and wears Depends made by Palestinian children.

[darkangel218]

192. I know.

The one before was even worse though. BMUS copied and pasted it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=647342

[Fearless]

221. Currently: "Can\'t spell Bernie Sanders without the letters NRA." Umm... Also... Hillary Clinton

[cherokeeprogressive]

135. Carlos Danger posts at DU!!!

It's a Huma conspiracy! No wonder the Hillary camp doesn't want Carlos anywhere near their events... he'd probably leak that he posts on DU and the jig would be up.

[beam me up scottie]

137. ROFLMAO!!! Awesome!

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any better you go and bring up Carlos Danger!

[arcane1]

143. Great, now that song will be stuck in my head all day.

Again!

[senz]

204. I think I just fell in love with John Oliver.

[beam me up scottie]

210. I have been in love with him for years.

I do wish he had taken over the Daily Show for Jon but I guess he's got a pretty good gig at HBO.

senz!

[senz]

213. Late-comer to the thread, but laughing my head off

at what went down this afternoon. Of course all my replies are now anachronisms.

Good to see you in real time, bmus!

[beam me up scottie]

214. You too, hope you've been well senz!

It's been an interesting day to say the least.

[merrily]

237. No one wants to see Carlos Danger leak.

[artislife]

75. Thank you for pointing out to go see her profile

You have to just go and see it.

It is too beautiful to spoil!

[beam me up scottie]

82. It's in her sigline too.

[darkangel218]

115. Lmao!!!

This is too funny!

[beam me up scottie]

165. New entry: I\'m back with a new name. You can\'t stop me from telling the truth about socialist jews

[arcane1]

169. With the latest profile change, I'm not so sure DU is the right place for them to be.

I'll try to find a way to live with that loss

[beam me up scottie]

170. Hard to believe she's a nice Jewish girl living in Brooklyn, isn't it?

I have a very different image of that person in my mind.




The newest:

DU is the Bernie Sanders buttplug of the internet. Better to keep the buttplug in or the shit spews all over the internet. The Bernie cultists make Jim Jones seem rational!

[darkangel218]

171. Wow.. Thats just nasty

Damn....

[beam me up scottie]

180. Getting worse too, like a monkey throwing feces at the crowd.

[merrily]

234. Where they strongly imply a Democratic candidate for POTUS is a pedophile, as at least one other

Hillary supporter has?

[arcane1]

248. A small price to pay to maintain the status quo n/t

[Divernan]

121. Her bio/profile is bogus and makes NO sense.

She describes herself as a law student who also works for a law firm and "also blogs about enivro law." As a former, full-time law student who clerked in the summers, and then for a few years a law professor, I'm here to tell you that law students never have enough time to keep up with their assigned readings, even if they are not employed. If she is also working for a law firm, even a part time job, she's falling behind and will shortly fail out.

Working for a law firm is not like covering the night desk at the school library. They work your butt off and you have to document every tenth of an hour on a billable time sheet. So she's not catching up on torts or contracts reading on the down low. Even if she's only a part-time student and working at the law firm part time, she has zero spare time for blogging about environmental law, let alone her voluminous posting on DU.

She does say she's in Brooklyn - perhaps Clinton campaign headquarters?

[arcane1]

127. I believe the Clinton campaign's social media headquarters is in Bangladesh.

[Divernan]

130. In a building constructed by a Clinton Family Foundation donor?

[senz]

206. lol -- this thread just gets better and better ...

[cui bono]

197. Should get a pizza. Look at the profile...

About BlueWaveDem
I am Bernie Sanders and black people will vote for me because I tell them Colonel Sanders was my father and I love chicken too.

[senz]

203. Wow. I've been wondering about that person. Something didn't add up.

Constantly hostile but always polite in a gritted teeth sort of way. A few days ago, "she" said that she was running for office which really surprised me. I tried to picture her, this young, hardened, slick, hostile ambitious person.

Reading this, I checked their personal page and was amazed to see this as their description:

"I am Bernie Sanders and black people will vote for me because I tell them Colonel Sanders was my father and I love chicken too."

How ugly and hateful. And now their tagline says, "Flagged by Hillary Haters."

Hillary sure can draw the doozies. Or maybe it's just the ones who post on DU, I dunno.

I think it's a good idea to be wary of all who try to describe themselves in a tagline. (Now watch, somebody I like will have done that.)

[MindfulOne]

58. Nobody young or progressive has ever said "they're all doped up", like EVER!

Hey, they are probably "all doped up".

Yeah, prolly on the pot or the hemp, all doped up.

Shades of my stepdad who would be a cranky 87 years old if he hadn't passed.

[beam me up scottie]

59. Sounds like something Dick Cheney would say.

HEY YOU DOPED UP KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!

[merrily]

239. Gasp. Reefer madness!!111!!

[Autumn]

68. She told me Hillary only voted for the IWR to protect America

[beam me up scottie]

71. She deleted that post as well but it was too little too late.

After repeatedly defending her claim that Bernie is Israel's #1 shill she already showed her true colours.

Now we're supposed to believe her account was hacked?

[Fawke Em]

185. Thanks for reposting what "she" had to say.

With a comment like that, this 26-year-old female law student living in Brooklyn sounds more like some 67-year-old male Fox watcher in Oklahoma City, OK.

[Historic NY]

167. Guess you haven't seen Hillary's "boots on the ground"....

and their young leaders who cut their teeth with OFA.

[Fawke Em]

193. You know what, no, I haven't.

In fact, I've seen exactly two Hillary stickers in my town and I live in the most Democratic area of our city. Most of the union halls are here and all of our direct representatives (meaning we don't share that representative with more conservative areas) are all Democrats.

I've seen at least 10, maybe as many as 15, Bernie stickers. I have a high schooler and all his friends talk about Bernie and so do their teachers.

I really haven't seen much direct evidence that Hillary is running at all.

[ucrdem]

7. Better Bernie than Ron Paul.

But it would be even better if Bernie was a life-long Democrat attracting future Dem voters the way BHO did in 2008. With Bernie it's anyone's guess as to where those crowds will go once he gets booted off the island and I'm not at all confident that he'll direct them into the voting booth to vote for HRC. In fact it's hard to imagine. Time will tell I suppose but the situation is problematic.

[djean111]

17. Actually, the bullshit attacks on Bernie are convincing young people that the

Democratic party is not the place for them. They don't play the kabuki theater game. They consider Hillary the old way of doing things, which has not worked out well for any damn body. Hillary's "more muscular" foreign policy? That is THEIR bodies thrown away for nothing. You think they are not paying attention? You think they don't know when Hillary was against gay marriage right before she was for it? You think they accept that $2000 off those student loans debts is worth a cup of spit when it comes to buying a house? They know it is not worth more than that. The young people do their due diligence. I guess THAT is problematic to the DNC.

And - I doubt Bernie feels he can "direct" anybody to vote for someone else. He couldn't "direct" ME to vote for someone else.

[pangaia]

30. You see, Bernie IS the Democrat. !!

That's the whole fucking point !!

[DrBulldog]

42. Exactly! Bernie is the Democrat that many bought-and-paid-for Democrats wish they could be.

[beam me up scottie]

44. Another HC supporter implying Bernie will throw the election if he loses the nomination.

[sabrina 1]

56. He is a life long Democrat. I can understand your confusion, it's hard to remember what

a Democrat is sometimes. My definition of a Democrat is someone who has been consistently RIGHT on the issues throughout their political career.

The letter, well, Liebermann was a 'lifelong' democrat. His betrayal of the party didn't stop all the other lifelong Dems from welcoming him back with open arms AFTER he endorsed McCain/Palin against Obama in 2008 and AFTER the Dem voters tossed him out, when he was funded by Corporate money to start his own party.

This is what 'lifelong Dem' has come to mean so when we find a genuine Dem, like Bernie, the letter has already been sullied by people like Liebermann and the complicity of the other lifelong Dems who approve of traitors to the party like Liebermann while dissing actual Dems like Bernie.

Thanks for the reminder, I like to keep in mind why this party so badly needs to be removed from the disastrous Corporate Control that allows these situations to take place. Liebermann should have been kicked out of the party, we should not have had to wait for him to remove himself.

And then there were all those 'lifelong Dems' in NJ who endorsed the corrupt, far right wing Christie against their own candidate, a good Democrat. Can you explain to us what the word Democrat means anymore in terms of Party affiliation?

[erronis]

70. Thank you for the reminder of slime-balls like Liebermann. Not that I would put the Clintons

into that camp, no not at all!

I'm also reminded about Andrew Cuomo who might have been a real democrat but has succumbed to the lure of power and money and sleaze.

[sabrina 1]

79. The attempt to oppose Bernie based on the letter 'D' only tends to remind me

of not just Liebermann, but of so many others who slapped that letter to their names and then we are supposed to support them, BECAUSE of a letter?

The younger generation has moved away from party politics. Is it any wonder? To say Liebermann is any kind of Democrat while trying to smear Bernie as not a democrat, shows how far wrong this party has gone.

If people like Liebermann among others, and I hear Davis, the anti gay 'hero of the Right' has been a lifelong Dem also, are accepted as Dems, all I can say is, something has gone very wrong.

To me, Bernie is the quintessential Democrat, right on most of the important issues that Dems are supposed to be right on. That letter thing, seems to have lost all meaning.

[ucrdem]

86. No he's a lifelong independent. He's had 53 years to register as a Dem

and hasn't yet, at least that I'm aware of. That makes him an independent. It's how he's always run, it's how he's running now, we've seen this movie before, and I'm afraid it doesn't have a happy ending. Maybe this time will be different but I've seen no evidence and we've been given no guarantees. I wish it were otherwise. Sorry.

[arcane1]

90. Indeed, we saw this movie in 2008 when Clinton lost the first time.

[whereisjustice]

95. lolololol - yes, we have seen this before um around 2008, and yes we can

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

98. I have never registered as a Democrat, either,

but I've always voted for Democrats. My state does not require registration with a party. Neither does Vermont.

[sabrina 1]

99. Biggest voting bloc in the country now, for the first time in living memory, are Independents.

Dems have dropped to 32 % of registered voters, Repubs to 29%. Independents have risen to over 42%. That says something about how partisan politics is on the decline doesn't it?

The Millennial generation, now the largest voting bloc since the Baby Boomers have stated they are not interested in partisan politics.

The older generation has done a terrible job haven't they, leaving a world for this next generation that is filled with greed and war and unemployment and little hope to have a decent income to take care of their families.

They KNOW this, and they are who are driving Bernie's campaign. If Dems want to remain relevant as a party they need to not dismiss this next generation and their choice of who they want to represent them. The old ways have let them down. They are very informed, very savvy and it's going to be their world so they are stepping up to take part in how they are represented.

Really, Dems SHOULD have their support, the fact that they don't, should be an awakening, that Third Way policies are a failure, and it's time to get with the people not the Corporate Wall St investors who are behind that idealogy that has taken over our party.

You can slam the voters all you want, and refuse to listen to their concerns, all that will happen is they will seek out someone who is listening, who is addressing their issues and they're not going worry about a letter other than to view it as part of the problem.

As a Dem I want people to view that letter as part of the solution, how about you?

[ucrdem]

145. Okay but to win the WH he needs to be a DEM. Period.

He needs to run a DEM convention, get popular DEMS including Bill, Hill and Barack to enthusiastically endorse, raise money and campaign for him, he needs to understand how the party works and how it's funded and start rattling his tin cup in Hollywood and elsewhere and otherwise do what he has to do to get his message on the air 24/7 and we're talking mega-millions.

I don't see that happening. Do you?

[sabrina 1]

148. No he doesn't. He needs the PEOPLE in order to win. 'Hill, Bill and Barack are just three people,

whose endorsements will pale when the PEOPLE'S endorsements overwhelm the Corporate rulers and their supporters who are majorly in the minority at this point.

The Dem Party is not Hill, Bill and Barack, it is the millions of PEOPLE for whom the party is supposed to WORK.

But it's a revealing comment from you. The notion that three ordinary people, and that's ALL they are in this democracy, should be awarded such POWER in your view OVER the will of the people.

Hill and Bill have exactly the same number of votes as the rest of us.

That's how DEMOCRACY works.

[pangaia]

158. " He needs to run a DEM convention,.."

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What does that mean? He needs to.. 'run' a convention? Or you mean he has to run in a Dem convention? I don't understand.
He is running as a Democrat.

As for the rest.....
Oh, .....really? Is that what he has to do?
I---- don't-----think-------sooooooo

That is the entire point....

[beam me up scottie]

161. Are you saying that Dems won't support him if he wins the nomination?

[Marty McGraw]

222. rattling his tin cup in Hollywood

Because you know... those Hollywood types, huh... Something suspicious about the Hollywood Fixation thing... oh, yeah. I remember where that affliction generates from!

[beam me up scottie]

103. The night Bernie Sanders endorsed Jesse Jackson for President of the USA:

Yes, he's DEFINITELY the enemy of Democrats.

[pangaia]

155. You see, you do not understand. You just read stuff.

Bernie Sanders actually is the ONLY Democrat.

With all due respect.

[ucrdem]

201. Ha. I think I get your meaning but

that still sounds pretty funny. Now if you mean I haven't had a Bernie conversion, you're right, I haven't. But I've hearing about the saintly socialist since 1992, usually from a Dem basher of one stripe or another, and the man has yet to make a favorable impression. So I guess the chances aren't very high.

[cui bono]

220. So you're saying you haven't looked into his record or policy stances.

You should try it sometime.

You should also try not attempting to smear monger regarding Sanders. He's not about to throw the election to the GOP as you implied in your other post.

[whatchamacallit]

229. Fuck the party

and their Zombie DINOs

[merrily]

240. Registering as a Dem in Vermont is impossible. But you knew that.

[ucrdem]

250. Declaration of party membership is required of all Vermont state candidates

per statute:

If no party is indicated, the word “Independent” will be printed on the ballot. No candidate appearing on the ballot as a candidate of an organized political party can appear on the ballot as an “Independent.” 17 V.S.A. 2403

https://www.sec.state.vt.us/elections/frequently-asked-questions/state-candidates.aspx#faq-4377

[beam me up scottie]

251. Is Bernie running for Secretary of State in Vermont?

[ucrdem]

252. Stay tuned.

[beam me up scottie]

253. Keep trying, as a Vermonter I welcome this kind of silly tactic.

[merrily]

256. How he has run in the past is no secret and he is running as a Dem now. As always, ya got nutthin,

But try to make it sound as though you do.

Declaring a party to run as a candidate is not the same as "registering as a Democrat." But, you knew that, too.

[ucrdem]

257. He's had longer to make up his mind than I've been alive. Sorry, no sale. nt

[merrily]

258. No one's trying to sell him to you. I am trying only for truth.

Yet, all I get is moved goalposts.

[ucrdem]

259. Truth? He's not a Democrat and never has been. nt

[merrily]

260. You poor thing. How heavy is a goalpost anyway? I've never tried moving one.

[Bohunk68]

225. Right on, Sabrina!

Getting tired of the supporters of Hill being so negative. Seems all they can say is the "S" word just like a bunch of Rethuglicans. And the crap about not voting if your candidate doesn't win the Nomination. Weren't they the PUMA's not so long ago? Projection is what it is, plain and simple.

[senz]

211. Bernie stated that he will support whoever wins the Dem nomination.

You're making the mistake of judging Bernie by yourself and your fellow Hillary supporters.

He is an honest person with genuine convictions, convictions that once represented the Democratic Party when it was still the party of the people, before the Reagan-enabled oligarchy took control and created the DLC and "Third Way."

You're probably not accustomed to honest politicians.

[DanTex]

9. To be fair, not all young people. But young people with beard combs and hemp suspenders, yeah

they probably go for Bernie.

[djean111]

12. That's so sad. Dream on. n/t

[artislife]

47. Well, now we know someone wasn't a hippie during the 60s.

Might have been like this nice couple




I remember watching this woman say this during the Republican convention.

One need only to recall the speech Marilyn Quayle delivered at the 1992 Republican convention in Houston. "Not everyone demonstrated, dropped out, took drugs, joined in the sexual revolution or dodged the draft," she told her Astrodome audience that week.

I got scared watching all of them then.

[djean111]

51. Ha! I worked in an office, but most of my friends were hippies.

All of us were Democrats, it is just that I listened to Peter, Paul, and Mary, and they listened to Hot Tuna.
They smoked pot, and I drank wine. We pretty much agreed on everything, though!

[Fawke Em]

189. Do you remember how Niles's first wife, Maris, on the "Frazier" show was never

seen, but only talked about?

In my mind's eye, I've always pictured her looking like Marilyn Quayle. I guess because she was described as brunette, painfully thin and snobbish.

[TheKentuckian]

207. Me too.Hilarious!

[brentspeak]

14. Meanwhile, people who look like Smithers of the "Simpsons"

probably go for Hillary or Jeb Bush.

After being paid to do so, of course.

[beam me up scottie]

15. Like 25 year old Symone Sanders?

[leftofcool]

19. Are these the "entitled" ones SNL was talking about?

[beam me up scottie]

21. Hillary's supporters probably shouldn't use the word "entitled" too often.

[artislife]

49. It's funny you even had to post that!

[beam me up scottie]

54. Right? Why must they piss all over a positive thread about young people?

I'm stunned by the nasty comments in this thread.

[artislife]

61. Incontinence? nt

[beam me up scottie]

66. Maybe they should get some Depends. :)

[pangaia]

31. What in the world happened to you?

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To post stuff like you do?

[beam me up scottie]

34. Any nasty comments about these young people posing with Jeb, Dan?:

There's your chance, give it your best shot and show everyone what kind of person you really are.

[DrBulldog]

40. It's so wonderful that Jeb never learned English . . .

[beam me up scottie]

41. They didn't open up their jackets until just before the picture was taken.

BEST PHOTOBOMB EVER!

[Beartracks]

72. Only one (maybe) beard comb among them.

And no hemp suspenders.

Weird.

=======================

[beam me up scottie]

107. Right? DanTex says they need to get with the stereotype!

[Jurassic Fiend]

43. Hippie punching again, DanTex?

Typical of DLC Democrat.

That's why I'm with Bernie 1,000,000%

Clinton can go find another person to mooch off, but it ain't going to be me.

[one_voice]

76. huh...

interesting.

[DanTex]

81. Hipsters and hippies are not the same thing. How do people not know this?

And I'm not "punching" anyone.

[beam me up scottie]

85. From the urban dictionary - hipster bashing:

hipster bashing

hipster bashing - an acceptable way for middle class (white) people to point out the ways in which they are superior to other middle class (white) people, esp. prominent in urban environments experiencing gentrification

You know you are truly a hipster when you are well adept at hipster bashing.

by nannylynn May 26, 2014

[DanTex]

91. It's true, nobody bashes hipsters like other hipsters. I'm just an amateur. It's still fun though.

[beam me up scottie]

93. Except you were insulting all of those wonderful kids in the pictures too.

[MindfulOne]

109. The last time I heard words like, "beard combs and hemp suspenders" in a negative way, it was....

...down by the beach where there's a state park RV camp that I walk by on some mornings.

There's a "hippy bus" driving dude who shows up from time to time, Randy, and I was talking to him but on this particular day it happened to be right where this filthy Winnebago RV was parked. The presumed owner of it had a bunch of unkind words to say out loud about us, Randy in particular, said in a loud voice and clearly for our ears but directed toward his wife or lover, whatever.

He had an open bottle of Jack and some plastic cups were out, maybe 10:00 am, and they were rude and physically filthy, he wore a stained white tee shirt and had manboobs and weird eyes, back panels of his denims were greasy like he'd never seen a bar of soap or washing machine.

I kind of felt sorry for him, as being a victim of abuse often causes one to be abusive, thought maybe he'd had a rough life.

Anyway, I remember distinctly thinking about how usually the worst kind of "ugly" is on the inside but sometimes the outside ugly matches the inside ugly.

I won't forget his scowl. Randy and I walked away, taking in the salty air and beauty of the moment and I assume the dude went back to his misery and drink.

[beam me up scottie]

122. People can be so cruel.

I usually associate it with conservatives but we have our share of it on the left too.

One person here related their history of living in their van by the river and someone compared them to the Clintons who said they were broke and homeless after leaving the White House.

[questionseverything]

45. lol @ 32,000 supporters showing up for bernie last evening

and i can not find a beard comb among them however they were wearing jackets,the 4000 outside that could not get into the venue or overflow area, so they probably were hiding HEMP suspenders

bringing up hemp was an excellent way to remind us hillary does not support even medical mj and wants to toss grandma in jail for treating her arthritis pain

[Ed Suspicious]

69. Nice job keeping the focus on the issues. Her position

on cannabis is poor.

[Ed Suspicious]

62. Hippy punching sucks. You should try banker bashing.

[appalachiablue]

247. +1. Banker bashing, that'll be the day. No matter what Ben Bernanke just wrote.

Bernie Sanders and corporatist Hippy Punchers- is like what Obama (the Moon) is to Werewolves (Tea Party), to borrow one from the great Julian Bond.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

84. You forgot that they smell too.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

100. Hippie-punching again, are we?

Have a closer look at those photos and tell us how many "hippies" you see...

[DanTex]

108. Hipsters vs hippies. Not the same. And I'm not punching anyone.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

113. 32,000 excited people. I don't care if they had beard combs and hemp suspenders

or pink tutus or Batman costumes or scuba gear or feather boas or suits of armor or Versace ball gowns. When has Hillary drawn 32,000 people of any age or personal style to an event?

[DanTex]

116. The OP made the ludicrous claim that Bernie is the "only" candidate that young people

are excited about. Could anyone possibly believe that?

[Divernan]

128. You could post pics of Hill's excited payees at her soirees

There you go, Dan! She had 3 "Conversations with Hillary" soiree-fundraisers in the Boston area, yesterday. Let's see some coverage on those. Guests weren't allowed to take candid photos of the event because that way, they might sneak in a freebie pic of Hillary. And as we all know, only guests who pay $2700 are allowed a photo with Hillary, and that ONE photo only.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

168. Nice to see you again, Blue Wave Dem. THEY'RE ALL ON DOPE!!!1!!

[TheKentuckian]

212. Another glimpse into the worldview and mentality. Seems awfully familiar, huh?

[merrily]

241. Beard combs and hemp suspenders! LMAO. Oh, wait, you're serious. Yikes.

[wilsonbooks]

10. It is so wonderful to see all of these young people excited about the political process.

It is so wonderful to see all of these young people excited about the political process. We can't let them down, lets make it happen.

And No, they are not on drugs.

[leftofcool]

123. Now try getting them out to vote.

You might need to get them off their cell phones though because voting requires concentration.

[wilsonbooks]

125. The young people that I know concentrate just fine.

They just have to be given a reason to be motivated. Bernie is giving them a reason to vote. It is sad that other candidates don't have a message that resonates.

[arcane1]

134. Standing out in the cold all night is 100 times harder than voting.

If they can do one, they can easily do the other.

[pangaia]

172. Jesus, I can not believe you wrote that.. the cell phone thingy...

and I am almost 72 years on this planet...

[Bohunk68]

226. That is such an ageist way of thinking.

If you have ever used a cell phone, you would know that you do, indeed, have to concentrate on what you are doing, which is why all the PA's about texting and driving. I'm betting the kids pictured and all those who come out to the Bernie rallies will vote and continue to vote as they get older. You do not see young kids with Hill, which means she is not building the party for the future.

[Persondem]

13. Sanders does have a certain cache with younger voters, I'll give you that ... BUT

he is not the only candidate that young voters care about. The following are quotes from an article in College News entitled "Already Decided to Support Bernie Sanders? Perhaps it is Time to Reconsider".

"However when people finally decide to carefully scrutinize the policies proposed by both candidates along with their achievements, they would perhaps decide Clinton is the better candidate."

"Despite the strong rhetoric and euphoria which emanates from the Sanders campaign, it is nonetheless populist in nature. With recognition to this, people must also realize the difficulties in working with an apparatus based around compromise. Compromise is something Clinton has shown able to do, and the same cannot be said for Bernie Sanders."

[beam me up scottie]

16. Compromise? You mean like those 206 bills sponsored/co-sponsored by Bernie and signed into law?

All while standing up for women's, minorities' and the poor's rights without pandering to the right wing?

Like that?

[Persondem]

133. Sponsoring a bill or co sponsoring by itself does not have anything to do with compromise

Depends on who he's cooperating with. Odds are most of those 206 are with Dems.

[beam me up scottie]

136. Keep trying to find that happy place where Bernie is ineffective and can't work with Republicans:

Senate Passes Sanders-McCain Veterans Bill

WASHINGTON, June 11 – The Senate today voted 93-3 for a bill to expand hospitals and clinics run by the Department of Veterans Affairs and to hire more doctors and nurses to provide timely, quality care for veterans.

The bipartisan bill by Veterans’ Affairs Committee Chairman Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) would let veterans facing long delays for doctor appointments at VA facilities go elsewhere. Their measure also would hold VA officials accountable for trying to conceal patient wait times.

“Our job is to make certain that every veteran in the country gets quality health care in a timely manner,” Sanders said. “At a time when 2 million more veterans have come into the VA in the last four years, we must ensure that there are enough doctors, nurses and other health care professionals to meet the needs of veterans in every facility in the country.”

The Sanders-McCain emergency funding bill would:

Authorize leases for 26 new medical facilities in 17 states and Puerto Rico.

Designate funds for hiring more VA doctors and nurses to provide quality care in a timely manner.

Expand existing VA authority to refer veterans for private care. Veterans experiencing long delays at the VA could seek care instead at community health centers, Indian health centers, Department of Defense medical facilities or private doctors. The two-year program also would offer those same options to veterans who live more than 40 miles from a VA hospital or clinic.

Give VA the authority to fire or demote senior leadership staff for poor performance but provide expedited appeals to the Merit
Systems Protection Board in order to prevent abuses of the new management powers for political or other inappropriate reasons.

Eliminate wait times as part of employee performance measures, which are used in determining bonuses for VA employees.

Make certain that all recently-separated veterans taking advantage of the Post 9/11 GI Bill get in-state tuition at public colleges and universities. For the first time, those same education benefits would be extended to surviving spouses of veterans who died in the line of duty.

Establish independent commissions on ways to improve the VA; one to look at how the VA can do a better job delivering health care and another to make recommendations on how VA can improve the management of construction projects.

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/senate-passes-sanders-mccain-veterans-bill

[Persondem]

139. Well, that's one. You got 205 more happy cooperation/compromise stories? nt.

[beam me up scottie]

141. Dig through them yourself and tell me:

https://www.congress.gov/member/bernard-sanders/S000033?q=%7B"bill-status"%3A"law"%7D

Actually, just read through them but don't bother responding to me.

In typical fashion, you moved the goal posts and are doubling down on a debunked meme so you're really not worth any more of my time.

[Persondem]

147. Actually it's quite easy to get a read on Sanders ref. cosponsoring with GOP. As of 2014 ...

Writing Bipartisan Bills

2nd lowest among Senate Cmte. Chairs/RkMembs

Sanders tends to gather cosponsors only on one side of the aisle. 9% of Sanders’s 69 bills and resolutions had both a Democratic cosponsor and a Republican cosponsor in the 113th Congress.

From this link.


Any way you slice it he's in the bottom 10%.
Meme my ass. That's a fact.

[beam me up scottie]

149. 10% figure from govtrac.us? You mean this?:

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to post his report card.

[Persondem]

153. You have some nerve ... accusing me of moving goal posts .... Geezus

This was about working with the other side remember???? ... compromise.

The exchange you initiated????? Huh?

Your post has jack all NADA to do with compromising and working across the aisle.

You obviously have caved on your claim that Sanders can work with the GOP. A non-response would have been better than this obvious attempt at deflection. LAME.

No, dude, you're not worth my time.

Insert wavy smiley emoticon here.

[beam me up scottie]

159. The meme is that Bernie is a "rigid idealogue" who won't compromise with anyone.

Try to keep up, the most common talking points that "support" this meme are:

He hasn't "evolved in over 53 years", "hasn't gotten anything done in decades", "bashes the Democrats" at every opportunity, is a "fringe leftist", and a "certifiable Socialist" who will "run as a third party candidate" and "can't possibly win".




eta: and I'm not a "dude".

[pangaia]

174. You forgot ' self-described socialist."

As in 'card carrying liberal."

[beam me up scottie]

178. Who was it that said he lived in a commune AND sat on his ass in a small state for 73 years?

Not sure if they were talking about the old sugar shack he lived in but you just can't make this stuff up!

[pangaia]

173. I DON'T WANT HIM TO WORK WITH THE FUCKING GOP !!!

I hope he pounds them into the ground with a sledge hammer...

[MasonDreams]

216. Thanks, Gonna try to bookmark thos one.

[beam me up scottie]

217. Here's the op I stole it from so you can bookmark it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251642628


And you're very welcome!

[MasonDreams]

218. Got it! My friend wants a woman in WH she has a masters in poli. sci.

I think this one will get her to feel the Bern!

[beam me up scottie]

219. Tell her that if Bernie picks Elizabeth Warren as his VP the right woman will win in 2020!

Talk about a dream ticket!

[MasonDreams]

263. She's a big fan of Elizebeth Warren. So am I, I can't even dream up a better ticket.

[brentspeak]

18. I had just joked that any young (male) person who supports Hillary probably looks like

Smithers of "The Simpsons":

[img][/img]

And then you posted your pro-Hillary article, written by this guy:

[img][/img]

[artislife]

50. Quick, give us the powerball numbers! nt

[Persondem]

140. Ummm, other than the glasses, I don't see much of resemblance?????????????? nt.

[frylock]

25. I'm done voting for compromise..

it's time for REAL change.

[Persondem]

138. Won't happen but I'll gladly vote for Sanders in the GE if he makes it. Any Dem > any Gop-per

Presidents almost never get anything done if they lead from their respective wings. The GOP controlled House would block anything he tried. He's making promises that he can't deliver on.

[frylock]

142. Ah, okay. Let's just continue to let Republicans dictate what does and what doesn't get done then.

[pangaia]

175. WHAT GOP controlled House?

I am not such a defeatist.

[Persondem]

179. Get real. You ever heard of gerrymandering?

The House is rigged until 2022, and only then will have a chance if SCOTUS leans left.

[pangaia]

181. If I 'got real" everytime someone suggest I 'get real,'

I would have gotten nowhere.

[whatthehey]

246. Where have you gotten by not getting real?

[pangaia]

249. To the absolute top in 2 professions, for starters.

With an international reputation in one of them...

[arcane1]

63. "Compromise" in that context means "letting the conservatives (of both parties) have their way"

Those days are over. Anyone who didn't already see it, saw it with Obama.

It's over. In fact, our survival depends on it.

[Bohunk68]

227. BINGO!!!!!!!

[jalan48]

23. Young people get it.

They look at the other candidates and see old and establishment. They get that something is wrong when two of the top candidates are related to a previous President(s). Bernie represents something much more real than a Citizens United playoff.

[DrBulldog]

24. Young people, you've got a bad reputation to get rid of . . .

if you don't vote - as 80% of you failed to do in 2014 - then all your enthusiasms and hopes and your potential futures won't be worth a damn.

[frylock]

26. Young people aren't going to vote for the sake of voting..

Young people need something to vote for.

[DrBulldog]

38. They already have something to vote for: the rest of their lives.

[jeff47]

157. We've given them the choice of spending the rest of their lives

getting shit on, or getting shit on with an occasional apology.

Why, exactly, do you expect us to be thrilled about the second choice?

[DhhD]

231. Yes like with Sanders it is free college today and tomorrow it will be school loan forgiveness.

[djean111]

39. I suspect that young people don't give a rat's ass what their "reputation" is to

you. They don't vote because the candidates are either corporate, or batshit crazy, with corporate backing.

[MisterP]

46. you mean the tremendous turnout for 2008 for someone who pissed all of it away?

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you mean the miserable DWS "campaigns" where they openly said they didn't care if they won or lost 2010-14?

[SoapBox]

27. It's Team Bernie!

Go Berners!!!

[pa28]

28. When Obama caught fire with young voters in '08 that was the end of Hillary's campaign.

Looks like the same thing is happening now.

[DrBulldog]

36. Bernie should try this approach to young people. Maybe they'll finally get it.

"Suppose I walk up to one of you and offer you and your children free tuition if you only check this box and contact your Congressman. So you do it. Will it happen?"

"Hell no."

"Suppose I walk up to 1,000 of you, make the same offer, and you do it. Will it happen?"

"Hell no."

How about 1,000,000? Will it happen?

"Hell no."

How about 75,000,000? (That's all the millennials in America.) Will it happen?

"HELL YES!"

[Zorra]

52. Another reason why he is the only Dem candidate who can possibly win the GE. nt

[Autumn]

60. How beautiful is that. To see young people so engaged they will sit out in the cold to hear

his message. The look of joy on some of their faces is something amazing.

[arcane1]

87. And this isn't some slicked-up media-friendly persona drawing them out. It's a real person.

I'm glad to see so many who are able to notice the difference!

[Autumn]

89. Yeah and those aren't his employees either.

[Mnemosyne]

65. Those are faces filled with hope; we cannot let them down. They give a damn, like Bernie does. nt

[Luminous Animal]

254. Yes! We cannot let them down.

[Mnemosyne]

261. Hope has been in short supply this new century. kick

[Demeter]

88. Bernie's the only candidate who gives a damn about ordinary people

so it's mutual!

[Enthusiast]

94. Kicked and recommended!

Thank you, brentspeak.

[PosterChild]

112. Not sure exactly who "young folks" might be....

.... but clinton and sanders seem about even for 18 to 49 year olds...



Of course they probably didn't ask if they "gave a damn". Might have gotten different results with that question .

[Divernan]

124. Wow! Hill has dropped in every single category in the past month!

And Bernie's numbers have increased!

WHOOH - WHOOH! ! ! !

[PosterChild]

144. Yep, so amougst those "young voters " ....

.... who don't "actually give a damn about" anybody else he is finally even with her.

The enthusiasm is absolutely so WHOOH - WHOOH! ! ! !

[arcane1]

146. For her young voters, "Now try getting them out to vote."

"You might need to get them off their cell phones though because voting requires concentration."

Do young Hillary voters have some extra powers of concentration, that young Sanders voters don't have?

Is that why they stay indoors all the time, and don't go to Clinton rallies in equal number as the Sanders voters?

[PosterChild]

152. Clinton and her minions will have...

.... a very well executed GOTV effort. Now, I'm not an expert in practical political operations, but we have a few of those folks on DU and I remember several of them disparaging sander's organizational capabilities. The word I heard is that the typical sander's committee is composed of enthusiastic, inexperienced dreamers who don't understand and don't follow through on the nitty gritty, detailed ground game.

This is not at all incompatible with an enthusiastic minority showing up at a rally and being part of the "revolution". If the folks at the rally were all that young in the first place, which doesn't seem to have been established as a fact.

But it doesn't really matter anyway since sanders is a self-descrbed socialist and, in the final event, the American people , young and old alike, are not going to nominate, let alone elect, a socialist for president .

[arcane1]

154. You posted a poll showing quite a few people willing to elect "a socialist for president"

And many more will follow suit!

[PosterChild]

262. You aren't reading that poll correctly . ...

.... quite a few are saying "oh sure, maybe , maybe not". That's what yes means. "No", however, means "No way, no how, you think I'm crazy?".

In other words, over 50% of the population is already in the "No way, no how" category . They aren't thinking about it, or considering it. They've made up their mind: NO. You simply can't win a general election with that sort of built in deficit. Sanders is going nowhere .

[marym625]

245. you would do well to not disparage a group

That you're trying to say is equally for your candidate.

You might also pay attention to the unprecedented number of people coming to support Sanders, the unprecedented number of contributions and the unprecedented total in contributions from small donations before disparaging the organizers.

It just makes you look, well, to be nice, silly.

[pangaia]

177. Did you even read the chart in that post?

In the last 2 months Clinton seems to have dropped 20% and Sanders has risen 20%. In August Sanders was 40 % behind. Now they are even.

Oppsie !!

[Faux pas]

132. Big Bernie

Keep On Bernin'

[bigwillq]

183. Great pics!

[Scuba]

194. Wow, look at all those old white men driving Volvos!

[AtomicKitten]

199. The enthusiasm he's getting from young people is inspiring. It reflects the power of social media.

[ancianita]

215. Man, those faces! He's gotta be energized! He also should play some pre-rally songs like this.

Thanks for your OP. It makes me feel so much better to see how the young are coming out.

[allan01]

230. i hearby throw all my support behind bernie and will vote for him to be the next president of the us

[ChiciB1]

238. Looking Good AND They're Looking EXCITED! n/t

[merrily]

242. Brentspeak, please post more often. Thank you. nt

[Nitram]

243. I hope these young people get out there and vote! nt

[marym625]

244. K&R!

[doc03]

255. They don't vote