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BooScout

(10,406 posts)
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:06 AM Oct 2015

Hillary Clinton’s lead climbs higher nationally ahead of first debate

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/hillary-clintons-lead-climbs-higher-nationally-ahead-of-first-debate/22784/

Hillary Clinton’s lead climbs higher nationally ahead of first debate

Despite a summer of the political pundits claiming that Hillary Clinton is struggling in the polls, the numbers themselves say that’s never been the case. For months her lead over rival Bernie Sanders and potential rival Joe Biden has hovered in the twenty percent range in national polls, forcing the media to resort to reporting single-state outlier polls as if they were national polls in the hopes of making the race appear close for the sake of ratings. But even as Clinton prepares to head into the first democratic party debate, her dominant poll numbers are climbing even higher.

Last week three major national polls from PPP, IBD, and USA Today pegged Hillary Clinton’s lead over Bernie Sanders at 18, 20, and 18 percent respectively. Now the latest national poll from Fairleigh Dickinson pegs Clinton’s lead at 22 percent. The breakdown is that Clinton has 45 percent, Sanders has 23 percent, and Biden has 17 percent despite not actually running and not planning to participate in the first debate.

Various polls have suggested that most of Joe Biden’s support would shift to Hillary Clinton if he announces that he’s not going to enter the race. The first debate on Tuesday, which will feature Clinton and Sanders along with other democratic party candidates like Martin O’Malley and Lincoln Chafee, may end up sending the polls in one direction or the other. But heading into the event, Clinton’s lead isn’t just massive, it’s growing a bit.
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Hillary Clinton’s lead climbs higher nationally ahead of first debate (Original Post) BooScout Oct 2015 OP
Daily News Bin? Seriously? magical thyme Oct 2015 #1
It's propaganda polling. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #71
New poll -- CBS Nat'l Poll (Sans Biden) Clinton 56% Sanders 32% /With Biden-Clinton 46% Sanders 27% riversedge Oct 2015 #76
Your first link has been debunked.... BooScout Oct 2015 #78
So, the Daily News Bin is the pinnacle of excellence in journalism and polling? bwaaahaha AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #86
Wow, Mark Penn. MBS Oct 2015 #106
That really resonated like a stuck car alarm. AtomicKitten Oct 2015 #108
" " " n/t MBS Oct 2015 #109
Thanks Bernie, it was fun while it lasted. lobodons Oct 2015 #2
Are you kidding me? SmittynMo Oct 2015 #4
Her biggest donors are unions. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #6
Of course she's the front runner SmittynMo Oct 2015 #9
recognition enid602 Oct 2015 #63
Bernie will crush Hillary in these debates. Why do you think the DNC had to limit the number of debates? InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2015 #64
Bingo SmittynMo Oct 2015 #65
Ummmmm..... BooScout Oct 2015 #75
Got a link for that? bvf Oct 2015 #13
Her biggest donors are wall st. Fearless Oct 2015 #20
Not according to FEC filings: JaneyVee Oct 2015 #22
Do you even read things? Your post shows exactly what I said! Fearless Oct 2015 #23
Did you read it? JaneyVee Oct 2015 #24
If you can't understand it, I'm not going to help you Fearless Oct 2015 #25
You do realize it highlights INDIVIDUALS JaneyVee Oct 2015 #27
Do you realize how corporations get around individual donation limits? Fearless Oct 2015 #28
That list has been debunked, those are not her top contributors. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #30
Now you're defending Goldman Sachs? Fearless Oct 2015 #33
No, I'm defending INDIVIDUALS. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #34
Complete bull. Fearless Oct 2015 #35
Ok. Good talk. JaneyVee Oct 2015 #36
Hee hee. Any argument beginning with bvf Oct 2015 #68
It's the Fox News "people say" argument. Fearless Oct 2015 #85
Lehman brothers the organization doesn't even exist any more....... Sheepshank Oct 2015 #61
Lehman Bros still exists Demeter Oct 2015 #66
And that surely makes for a happy Hillary. bvf Oct 2015 #69
That article is a year and a half old. Sheepshank Oct 2015 #79
That doesn't make it any less true. bvf Oct 2015 #89
They are not operating as any sort of investment banking firm that donates to campaigns Sheepshank Oct 2015 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Oct 2015 #81
Let's be completely honest and open about these lifetime numbers..... Sheepshank Oct 2015 #84
Note the column headings! "Indivs" means INDIVIDUALS, i.e., not corporations.... George II Oct 2015 #92
I think that they are largely under the same impression that she's electable. BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #37
well, unions sure do support her financially... riversedge Oct 2015 #47
Did you know that union workers have no control over where donations go? BernieFan57 Oct 2015 #49
Been in unions most of my life. Workers do have input on this issue. Sometimes we riversedge Oct 2015 #51
What unions are those? bvf Oct 2015 #70
You go first.... BooScout Oct 2015 #77
I wasn't asking you. bvf Oct 2015 #87
So? You asked for a poster's qualifications..... BooScout Oct 2015 #90
Are the hosts aware that you're divulging bvf Oct 2015 #91
What on earth are you talking about? BooScout Oct 2015 #96
You just did it again. bvf Oct 2015 #98
The only thing I can think you are alluding to... BooScout Oct 2015 #99
BooScoot did not give any personal information about me. You are rude and I do riversedge Oct 2015 #104
Thank you Riversedge... BooScout Oct 2015 #105
That's a pretty lame excuse for failing bvf Oct 2015 #110
Union leadership is mostly by election of union members upaloopa Oct 2015 #102
Yes they do. George II Oct 2015 #93
Some evidence of who the Unions are really supporting... BooScout Oct 2015 #40
Hmmm. Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #54
And it's not like Hillary will STAY to the Left Demeter Oct 2015 #12
I agree! mdbl Oct 2015 #14
Yep. SusanCalvin Oct 2015 #19
Hillary-Clinton-s-Liberal-Ranking BlueStateLib Oct 2015 #29
Feel free to search the FEC filings here: George II Oct 2015 #57
Yeah thanks Bernie workinclasszero Oct 2015 #11
Yep nankerphelge Oct 2015 #15
Don't blame you a bit workinclasszero Oct 2015 #59
Another vote of confidence for the republican party by someone bearing the Clinton avatar Scootaloo Oct 2015 #80
Game over, man! Game over.... frylock Oct 2015 #67
It's easy to side with the big money, but I will fight them to the end. rhett o rick Oct 2015 #83
We all knew this was coming. Go Hills! leftofcool Oct 2015 #3
Exposure tecelote Oct 2015 #5
Steady and getting stronger! FloridaBlues Oct 2015 #7
Amen SmittynMo Oct 2015 #56
K&R! stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #8
Good for her. Quackers Oct 2015 #10
Simply summarizing how it has been and is. Go HRC! Hortensis Oct 2015 #16
Sounds to me like Hillary is toast! Helen Borg Oct 2015 #17
If winning is toast! nt Walk away Oct 2015 #58
All these pollsters must get together and choose asjr Oct 2015 #18
Andd the latest Gravis NH poll had Clinton & Sanders in a statistical tie. riversedge Oct 2015 #21
That's right he lost ground in NH according to that poll. She is basically tied in NH. FloridaBlues Oct 2015 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #72
When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Oct 2015 #26
Good polling numbers Gothmog Oct 2015 #31
This might be a good time for Team Bernie to plan a graceful exit. nt ucrdem Oct 2015 #32
A lot of people feel Bernie is WORKING FOR US by raising enthusiasm Hortensis Oct 2015 #45
The person that should be gracefully exiting Time_Lord Oct 2015 #48
It Might Be A Good Time For HRC To Admit That She Is Owned And Controlled By The DLC Third Way cantbeserious Oct 2015 #53
I predict Biden will perform poorly in the debate and his numbers will go down and mostly go to Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #39
I predict Biden won't perform in the debate at all, lol BooScout Oct 2015 #42
At least Biden will not have to live up to any expectations the media have decided to assign him! Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #43
They will include him until.... BooScout Oct 2015 #44
Gallup pretty much admitted that most polls are just for laughs and giggles and pundit pay checks. Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #50
they are so silly, they will probably include Biden in the post debates polls even if he not present riversedge Oct 2015 #46
If Biden's "numbers" rise - leaving the horse race concept being disgusting aside for the moment - Fred Sanders Oct 2015 #52
Day after tomorrow. CNN has HRC placed center stage as the Hortensis Oct 2015 #60
Wasn't she over 50% in the summer and has dropped to 45%? Rosa Luxemburg Oct 2015 #41
Just to be fair in this narrative Sheepshank Oct 2015 #62
Great news Evergreen Emerald Oct 2015 #55
This primary poll will not tighten. upaloopa Oct 2015 #103
Add new poll CBS Nat'l Poll (Sans Biden) Clinton 56% Sanders 32% /With Biden-Clinton 46% Sanders 27% riversedge Oct 2015 #74
Presidential Race duggie99 Oct 2015 #82
Great attitude, positive post. Welcome to DU. oasis Oct 2015 #88
Thanks for posting BooScout R B Garr Oct 2015 #94
Kick & highly recommended! William769 Oct 2015 #95
Afternoon kick. William769 Oct 2015 #97
So which Hillary supporter runs Daily News Bin? n/t Avalux Oct 2015 #100
Massive! Massive I tell you! HassleCat Oct 2015 #101
Oh suuuuuure she does. in_cog_ni_to Oct 2015 #107
 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
71. It's propaganda polling.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:47 PM
Oct 2015

Every time a poll comes out showing her losing ground, another obscure poll arrives saying the opposite.

Poll: Clinton drops 10 points in 5 days
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/256586-poll-clinton-drops-10-points-in-5-days

Hillary Clinton is dragging her feet into the first Democratic primary debate on Tuesday, dropping 10 points in less than a week, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Friday.

While Clinton enjoyed 51 percent support among Democratic voters in the poll’s Oct. 4 iteration, that number dipped to 41 percent support on Oct. 9.

Both Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Vice President Biden, who has yet to announce whether he will run for president, gained supporters from Clinton’s loss.

Sanders’ support increased from 24 to 28 percent over the same time frame, and Biden jumped from 16 to 20 percent support.G


Clinton spent $900 million on polling during the first quarter.
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/07/17/in-this-money-race-bernie-sanders-wins/

Her campaign spent more than $900,000 on polling in the quarter that ended June 30th; Mr. Sanders, $0.


Guess who's polling on Hillary?
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/clinton-mark-penn-polling-214637


Mark Penn is no longer Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist and pollster, but her former campaign guru is still putting polls about his old boss into the field — the ultimate insider is testing theories on how to make her electable during an outsider election.

riversedge

(70,225 posts)
76. New poll -- CBS Nat'l Poll (Sans Biden) Clinton 56% Sanders 32% /With Biden-Clinton 46% Sanders 27%
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 05:09 PM
Oct 2015


CBS Nat'l Poll (Sans Biden) Clinton 56% Sanders 32% /With Biden-Clinton 46% Sanders 27% Biden 16%

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-still-leads-democratic-race/

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
78. Your first link has been debunked....
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 05:12 PM
Oct 2015

Several times. I lost interest in bothering with the other two.

 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
2. Thanks Bernie, it was fun while it lasted.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:38 AM
Oct 2015

And hey, you did pull Hillary to the left. Mission accomplished. Thanks, Bernie.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
4. Are you kidding me?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:51 AM
Oct 2015

The debate hasn't started and you're giving up? Even Bernie will tell you he didn't expect his numbers to be this high. The fact that they are, is a HUGE warning sign to the rest of the candidates. This country is ready for a political revolution. And we still have a year to go yet. So give me a break. Yes, Bernie has brought her more to the left, which is a good thing, but she has a looooong way to go to reach Bernies agenda. Especially when it comes to breaking up the banks, single payer health system, and more support to rebuild the middle class.

Remember, she is bought and paid for by the 1%. The oligarchy!!!!

Sorry but I, and hopefully most, do not approve of store bought politicians.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
6. Her biggest donors are unions.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:59 AM
Oct 2015

She is not "bought and paid for by the oligarchy". And no, there isn't a year to go, super tuesday is in March. She's the Democratic frontrunner of the Democratic party.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
9. Of course she's the front runner
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:08 AM
Oct 2015

Always has been. She has name recognition.

Bernie's movement has been phenomenal. All without media recognition. Wait and see what happens after this first debate. It should be everything I was hoping for. I can't wait to see all the truths exposed. The looks on their faces will be worth the price of admission.

enid602

(8,620 posts)
63. recognition
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:22 PM
Oct 2015

Don't worry. He'll get plenty of 'media recognition' should he actually win the nomination. No doubt the same type of 'media recognition' that Hillary has suffered to date.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
64. Bernie will crush Hillary in these debates. Why do you think the DNC had to limit the number of debates?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:34 PM
Oct 2015

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
23. Do you even read things? Your post shows exactly what I said!
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:39 AM
Oct 2015

You're cherry picking specific races and claiming falsehoods

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
24. Did you read it?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:44 AM
Oct 2015

These are her top 20 contributors:

American Federation of Teachers, Committee On Political Ed, Emily's List, Womencount PAC, Machinists and Aerospace Workers, Office and Professional Employees Union, National Association of Letter Carriers, New York's Health and Human Service Union, Union of Painters and Allied Trades, National Organization For Women PAC, Amalgamated Transit Union, Civil Service Employees, The Denver Group, Union of Bricklayers and Allied Craftworkers, Letter Carriers Political Action Fund.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
27. You do realize it highlights INDIVIDUALS
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:58 AM
Oct 2015

I think you're the one who doesn't get it. Read the full article.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
28. Do you realize how corporations get around individual donation limits?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:00 AM
Oct 2015
?1438909274

Again, see above.
 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
30. That list has been debunked, those are not her top contributors.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:06 AM
Oct 2015

Unions are. And she was the senator from NY, those individuals are her constituents. My cousin works for Goldman Sachs, there are plenty of liberals who work in the financial industry, especially in NYC.

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
33. Now you're defending Goldman Sachs?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:39 AM
Oct 2015

Enjoy your vote for Hillary. I now know where you stand. Problem is it's on the wrong side. I have nothing else to say to you.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
34. No, I'm defending INDIVIDUALS.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:45 AM
Oct 2015

How did that obvious point fly over your head? She was senator from NY, so those are her constituents. It's disingenuous to list their employer, they are individuals. NY's biggest job sector is the financial industry which employs millions.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
68. Hee hee. Any argument beginning with
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 02:52 PM
Oct 2015

"My cousin..." throws the needle on any bullshit meter through the glass.

I have a cousin who thinks Obama has a plan to send ATF agents to every home to confiscate its firearms.

See how that works?

Fearless

(18,421 posts)
85. It's the Fox News "people say" argument.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:32 PM
Oct 2015

"People say Obama is going to steal your guns"

It isn't true but they qualify their rant with that phrase all the time as though it gives their biased commentary validity.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
61. Lehman brothers the organization doesn't even exist any more.......
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:13 PM
Oct 2015

Lehman Bro doesn't even exist anymore, just how much assistance is she going to be to them?

How old is this list?


How about you actually showing some data of 2015 election cycle donors.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
66. Lehman Bros still exists
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 01:41 PM
Oct 2015

It hasn't been wound down YET, 7 years after. That was some tangled ball of yarn.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
89. That doesn't make it any less true.
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 03:37 AM
Oct 2015

Are you suggesting anything that happened prior to June, 2014 simply doesn't matter? That's a pretty lame stance.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
73. They are not operating as any sort of investment banking firm that donates to campaigns
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 04:43 PM
Oct 2015

They were purchased by Barclays. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehman_Brothers

The point remains.....let's look at 2015 election cycles donors.

I have perused Open Secrets, where the donor chart upthread originated, and their numbers regarding donations are generally lifetime (political life time of the candidate) donations. In addition they are very clear to differentiate between company donations and those individuals working for the company. Too bad that so many Bernie supporters want to belittle and disparage the employees of financial institutions (who btw often also have unions) simply because they chose to vote in a manner they feel is best for them.

Response to Demeter (Reply #66)

George II

(67,782 posts)
92. Note the column headings! "Indivs" means INDIVIDUALS, i.e., not corporations....
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 12:49 AM
Oct 2015

...Do you have any idea how many employees Citigroup has?

 

BernieFan57

(80 posts)
37. I think that they are largely under the same impression that she's electable.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:53 AM
Oct 2015

And the leadership of many unions come from the same social and political swath as mainstream corporatist democrats.

My observations have been that the union membership is often not in Clinton's camp.

 

BernieFan57

(80 posts)
49. Did you know that union workers have no control over where donations go?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:28 AM
Oct 2015

Did you even understand this?

A union doesn't go to the workers and get permission or advice from the workers-- the leaders act unilaterally and then claim that, for example, "40,000 teachers support ____________" when in fact they don't.

A union endorsement is not an endorsement by the members or workers of a union.

riversedge

(70,225 posts)
51. Been in unions most of my life. Workers do have input on this issue. Sometimes we
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:31 AM
Oct 2015

disagree and sometimes many of us agree on who to support or not. In the end-surveys in one form or another are taken.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
70. What unions are those?
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 03:15 PM
Oct 2015

And please describe the process governing the weight of your input in those cases insofar as you are able.


BooScout

(10,406 posts)
90. So? You asked for a poster's qualifications.....
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 05:23 AM
Oct 2015

...and I thought if you wanted her qualifications, then it was only fair you gave yours.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
91. Are the hosts aware that you're divulging
Mon Oct 12, 2015, 08:53 AM
Oct 2015

personal information about another poster without that poster's permission?

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
96. What on earth are you talking about?
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 11:19 AM
Oct 2015

You are the one asking what Unions she has been in. Btw...still waiting to hear your qualifications.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
98. You just did it again.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:37 PM
Oct 2015

Do you even pay attention to your own posts? It sure doesn't look like it.

When riversedge responds to my inquiry with an earnest reply, I'll be happy to reply further. I won't waste any more time on you, however, owing to your obvious lack of respect for other posters' privacy.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
99. The only thing I can think you are alluding to...
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:26 PM
Oct 2015

Is that I referred to Riversedge as a 'she'....which is not a secret if you were even remotely familiar with her, which you obviously aren't ( or are pretending you didn't know). I find it rather strange that you want HER to share HER union credentials with you, yet accuse me of invading HER privacy by revealing the non-secret that SHE is female.

Btw....Riversedge knows that I respect her privacy because we are friends. I'll give her a link to here if that will make you happy.

riversedge

(70,225 posts)
104. BooScoot did not give any personal information about me. You are rude and I do
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:02 PM
Oct 2015

not feel the need to respond to you after you treated another DU member like you did.

Have a good day.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
110. That's a pretty lame excuse for failing
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 08:21 PM
Oct 2015

to back up your statement.

To recap:

You've said you've been a union member, but actively choose not to provide any further info, much less describe the mechanism by which your so-called "membership" translated into putative influence.

Seems to me you're shoveling indefensible bullshit, ma'am. Otherwise, you'd be able to back up your assertions with something more than empty, petulant whining, which we now see is beyond your ability.

No wonder why that is.


upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
102. Union leadership is mostly by election of union members
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:39 PM
Oct 2015

I should make a list of the Bernie is going to win talking points just for shits and giggles when Hillary is nominated

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
12. And it's not like Hillary will STAY to the Left
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:38 AM
Oct 2015

as soon as it's safe, she will dash for her comfort zone at her masters' bidding. And no, I'm not talking about the unions.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
14. I agree!
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:21 AM
Oct 2015

I will vote for Sanders in the primary. If Hillary wins, I'll vote for her in the general election, but I expect she'll flip flop back to the right on any positions she has changed due to Sanders running.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
19. Yep.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:30 AM
Oct 2015

She's been pulled to the left, but that elastic tethering her to the right will snap back as soon as the pull is removed. So the pull must not be removed. Or the elastic must be cut or wear out.

Don't ask me what that means, except GO BERNIE!

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
11. Yeah thanks Bernie
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:28 AM
Oct 2015

Now can we get back to defeating the teahaddists before they force their nutcase religious laws on us all?

There's only one person running that can do that and her name is Hillary Clinton!

And I'm I'm sick of all the anti democratic party hysteria on this website.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
80. Another vote of confidence for the republican party by someone bearing the Clinton avatar
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 05:17 PM
Oct 2015

Apparently all the democrats suck so bad in your eyes that you think Ben Carson and Bobby Jindal have really strong chances. Huh.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
83. It's easy to side with the big money, but I will fight them to the end.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 08:51 PM
Oct 2015

I guess some like the warm comfort of having the Oligarchy take care of them. But I say it's a moral issue when we accept that 16,000,000 American children live in poverty. Those that support Goldman-Sachs for president, must be ok that that number is most likely to get larger.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
5. Exposure
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 07:54 AM
Oct 2015

It's all Bernie needs. Hillary and Joe are household names. Bernie just needs exposure.

Honesty and integrity will win the day.

asjr

(10,479 posts)
18. All these pollsters must get together and choose
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:30 AM
Oct 2015

the ones they want to be ahead. Next week it will change. The newscasters will do whatever they are in the mood for and the news channels will make something up and change the next week. However will they get the people to read the newspapers or watch the T.V.? The dark horse is waiting.

FloridaBlues

(4,008 posts)
38. That's right he lost ground in NH according to that poll. She is basically tied in NH.
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:56 AM
Oct 2015

I look for her to win NH and Iowa.

Response to FloridaBlues (Reply #38)

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
26. When We Stand Together - No Citizen Need Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 09:51 AM
Oct 2015

eom

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. A lot of people feel Bernie is WORKING FOR US by raising enthusiasm
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:11 AM
Oct 2015

for liberal solutions, though, Ucrdem, and also thus allowing our candidates to campaign on more liberal solutions. Analysts are now admitting that they literally did not know how big the support was until Warren and Bernie made it clear, and they are continuing to enlighten.

Remember, most people refuse to use the word "liberal" or support anything with liberal attached because the right turned the word into an insult, much less "socialist." They also don't know where they're really at.

BTW, the exit I want is much later and inspiring to people across the political spectrum as he throws what I hope will be considerable support to our eventual nominee. Much as that idea offends those who still hope for a President Sanders.

 

Time_Lord

(60 posts)
48. The person that should be gracefully exiting
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:19 AM
Oct 2015

is not my candidate... it's that one that is pretending to be MY candidate.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
39. I predict Biden will perform poorly in the debate and his numbers will go down and mostly go to
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 10:58 AM
Oct 2015

the formidable woman standing in the middle of the stage, where she belongs.

The withering, messy death of the BGazhi deception, and the exposure of it all being a criminal fraud, the resultant implosion of the GOP, combined with the no-one-cares yawner of EGazhi, not to mention Clinton's clear movement to the Left on so many issues, could not have been more perfectly timed.

Timing is everything in politics, the other candidates on the stage seem not to agree.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
43. At least Biden will not have to live up to any expectations the media have decided to assign him!
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:05 AM
Oct 2015

The fact Biden is not participating.....do you think the pollsters will still include him AFTER the debate?

That should be interesting!

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
44. They will include him until....
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:08 AM
Oct 2015

...he announces he isn't running. .....and knowing the press.........they may very well include him in the polls after that just for laughs and giggles.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
52. If Biden's "numbers" rise - leaving the horse race concept being disgusting aside for the moment -
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:31 AM
Oct 2015

will Biden be "declared" the winner! Or will "they" decide it is all about the "losers" that Biden whipped......and was he not even there?! How awesome is he??

Ah, the possibilities for the paid pundits is endless......as endless as the promised rivers of ad and campaign cash to flow to them so, so soon.... thanks CU....now it is a chore to find a pundit or a news source that is NOT corrupt.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
60. Day after tomorrow. CNN has HRC placed center stage as the
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:06 PM
Oct 2015

highest polling candiate. Bernie and O'Malley flank her as the next highest polling candidates, then Chafee and Webb on the ends. No position for Biden so far, but he polls high...

I share your opinion of her abilities, but as a woman she has to somehow perform better and look twice as nice while doing it as the rest. You know, the dancing backwards and in high heels thing.
I'm hoping Bernie's rather cranky, humorless face stays alongside hers.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
62. Just to be fair in this narrative
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 12:18 PM
Oct 2015

So polls are important? I'm getting whiplash from the changing perspective on the importance of polls. Weathervane, I think some call it.

Fwiw, Hillary supporters are not worried that she is 23% instead of 28% ahead of anyone...just so long as she is ahead.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
55. Great news
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 11:39 AM
Oct 2015

I know it is early, and the polls always tighten once the season gets started, but it is fun to watch.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
103. This primary poll will not tighten.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:54 PM
Oct 2015

I think most people have already made up their minds on who they support. At the most there are about 20% undecided and my guess is they will break in about the same proportion as Bernie and Hillary supporters are now.

riversedge

(70,225 posts)
74. Add new poll CBS Nat'l Poll (Sans Biden) Clinton 56% Sanders 32% /With Biden-Clinton 46% Sanders 27%
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 05:07 PM
Oct 2015


CBS Nat'l Poll (Sans Biden) Clinton 56% Sanders 32% /With Biden-Clinton 46% Sanders 27% Biden 16%

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hillary-clinton-still-leads-democratic-race/

duggie99

(40 posts)
82. Presidential Race
Sun Oct 11, 2015, 06:26 PM
Oct 2015

I read DU all the time and love many of the posts. I will vote for the Democratic Party nominee for President who ever that might be. These Republicans are getting crazier by the minute and can not ever hold the highest office of this great country. In the mean time I love all the posts for Bernie and Hillary and have like them both.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
101. Massive! Massive I tell you!
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 05:34 PM
Oct 2015

Well, that's good. We certainly don't want some rebellious upstart coming in and shifting the debate toward issues such as universal health care, regulation of the financial industry, etc. That would be class warfare! Dangerous progressive ideas have no place in our party. We have to be ideologically vague, so as to not allow the Republicans to steal our issues and positions. Whatever they might be.

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